Let’s start with what the other side think. Motherwell manager, Steven Hammell, complained about Celtic’s second goal. Matt Penney took a throw-in and hit Sead Haksabanovic, who was returning to the field having run off with Penney. Hammell wrongly claimed VAR did not look at the incident, when in fact, they scrutinised it before the goal was confirmed.
See below. The ball is in play the instant any part of it goes above the line. What you have to consider is, where is the ball when it hits Haksabanovic on the head?
Penney is well behind the line, Haksabanovic’s foot looks to be on the line, a football is 22cm. The image is inconclusive. Motherwell may have a case for a good moan, but even though we don’t know for sure what happened on this occasion, VAR was correct, it is only there to change clear mistakes, which this was not.
The challenge on Carl Starfelt by Josh Morris was studs up, caught the Celtic player on the foot (by definition, therefore, out of control) and dangerous. Carl saw it coming and escaped more serious consequences.
There were mitigating circumstances. Carl hesitated, inviting Morris into the challenge, so there was no intent. I suspect that mitigation and the fact that Carl escaped injury led referee Willie Collum to caution the player. We then revert to VAR’s role as an arbiter of a clear mistake. On this occasion, they decided that threshold was not breached. The referee should have awarded a red card first, or waited on guidance from VAR, before issuing a caution.
VAR takes the heat on this one, but it was a ref decision. You may also like to consider an incident at Ibrox last month, when VAR upgraded a caution issued to a Livingston player, advising the referee a red was in order. Personally, I’m happy for VAR to adjudicate either way on these decisions but would really prefer the same interpretation applied to teams in green and white, as to teams in blue.
For my money, the Jota goal was onside. From what we saw on TV, VAR was provided inconclusive evidence. Is it possible they do not have a camera at both ends of the ground? Otherwise, why show us inconclusive pictures from 60 yards away?
My understanding is that VAR have access to their own cameras and to TV (the game was on PPV) at both sides of the ground. I’m a tad suspicious we didn’t see the better freeze-frame. The assistant flagged an offside and we have no clear evidence either way, so I have no case to argue.
I’m happy we have VAR, it provides scrutiny, which is welcome. This has already made clear that we need better ‘trained’ referees. Vilifying them at every turn (I get the irony here) will not help. We also need better VAR. Scotland has an entry level product. England has better, the Champions League has best. Football must find the money and press on.
My main concern for the technology is how ball-to-arm incidents are judged when we visit Ibrox on 2 January. The portents on this one are not encouraging.
Matt O’Riley continues to grow as a player. His ball-winning tackle inside the box before crossing for Kyogo to open the scoring was a measured treat.
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GENE on 10TH NOVEMBER 2022 9:45 PM
QTV – isn’t that a shopping channel
Maybe ange was modelling a pullover
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👍🤣🤣🤣
4-2 game over
GENE on 10TH NOVEMBER 2022 9:34 PM
Fergus
To be fair when have they never lied to us 😠
There fixed that for you GENE
HH
Managers in the dugouts my arse. They were sat in the portacabin with a few cans picking out pretty young ladies in the crowd.
Picking their noses more likely
And now SunSport van reveal that the image wasn’t shown because camera in the other half of the pitch – thought to be operated by broadcasters QTV – WASN’T focusing on the play at that time.
Instead, it was believed to be trained at the dugout area to do close-ups of the managers
What a bunch
*SENTINEL CELTS PLAYER OF THE YEAR 2022-23*
RESULTS FROM GAME #22 – MOTHERWELL 1 CELTIC 2 (KYOGO, MAEDA)
Good evening, friends.
So, yet another game full of interference by VAR but where we won despite their best efforts. Should Jota’s goal have stood? Should Motherwell have been reduced to 10 for that foul on Starfelt? What exactly happened to give Motherwell the free kick that then led to their goal? These, and other questions, will never be properly answered. An absolute farce so far and everything that I feared it would be. Not at our scintillating best last night but still managed another away win to maintain our 7-point lead at the top.
Domestically we have now played 16, winning 15 and losing 1, away to St Mirren (who do THEY play on Saturday lunchtime?). We have scored 56 and conceded 12.
As for the voting, really big thanks this week to the 66 who emailed me with their 3 personal superstars. The turnout was particularly impressive given the lack of obvious live coverage of the game. The total votes cast for each player with my own choices asterisked are as follows –
Hart: 0
Juranovic*: 7
Carter-Vickers*: 54
Starfelt: 18
Taylor: 0
O’Riley: 48
Hatate: 1
Mooy*: 17
Abada: 0
Kyogo: 38
Jota: 8
Haksabanovic: 1
Giakoumakis: 0
Turnbull: 2
Maeda: 4
Abildgaard: 0
And so the players receiving POINTS for the game against Motherwell are –
Carter-Vickers – 5 pts
O’Riley – 4 pts
Kyogo – 3 pts
Starfelt – 2 pts
Mooy – 1 pt
After 22 games the overall standings are as follows –
47 points – Hatate
34 points – Jota and Taylor
31 points – Carter-Vickers
24 points – O’Riley
22 points – Jenz
19 points – McGregor
16 points – Kyogo
15 points – Mooy
14 points – Abada
13 points – Giakoumakis
12 points – Juranovic and Haksabanovic
9 points – Welsh
8 points – Bernabei
6 points – Ralston and Starfelt
5 points – Forrest
4 points – Hart
3 points – Maeda
2 points – Turnbull
0 points – Abildgaard, McCarthy and Siegrist
Our next game – and our last domestic game for a month – is only 2 sleeps away. A 3pm Saturday home game against Ross County. By the time we kick off we will know whether a win will put us 7 points clear, 9 points clear or 10 points clear. Not a bad position to be in.
In case anyone is wondering I’ve decided that I too will take a month’s break and so the forthcoming Sydney Cup games will NOT be included in the Player Of The Year competition. So everyone can watch those games in a more relaxed manner without having to assess who our best 3 are. I hope that meets with general approval.
Hail Hail!
Gene on 10th November 2022 9:34 pm
Fergus
To be fair when have they ever lied to us 😠
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CCV
Matt
Kyogo
Yeah, The Celtic Support is Unified.
Those 3 were Superb.
God Bless the Bhoys & Ghirls frae St Vincents.
Anyway,anger as usual has subsided,canny wait for the weekend,when we go 9 points clear.
See Everton have 4 at the world cup.Which is nice.
Just take more care of the ball Celtic.
Matthews tackle was so Iconic.
Given he was so far up the Leftfield.
O’Riginal – Matthews playing our Base.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SILVQpqmH7U
So Original.CSC
VAR is obviously not the problemo.
It’s the SAD Controllers.
Pathethetic.
The Whole World is Witnessing.
Scotlands Currents are Liars & Deceivers. Max 2.
*Pathetic – apologies.
Shut up ffs……
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tt1MqAZ9XHw
Aidan was gutted when we didnae go to an Easier Euro Cup Final, just that excitement getting there would be Good.
*Celtic is Celtic(Fingers Crossed)
WE have the wan Man if Anyone can to take us to the Very Top.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z4WdehsR-l0
And only the Magical Celtic Support can make a Sing Song for the MAN.
Haksa looks to be a Belter!!!!!
I cannae resist it.
I seen them Dream Frequency a Good few times, They made me move my feet…….
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XArP5cmsIVE
Always thought they were better than Ultrasonic, opinions GFTB. :)
Likely blown away by this Sonic!!!!!!
Furuhashi as we prepare to play the most Opium/Doped Club in the World in a Biggie….is likely to pat him on the heid efter he’s scored an Incredible Hattrick, efter been almost paralysed by Any Non Fitba player.
No Hatate – They must have some team.
It’s gonnae be an unusual winner this Time.
An Ayrton on Japan.
250/1
Hello again all you young rebels.
From another TGIF 20 deg Melbourne suburb.
Down at our local soccer ground today doing the myriad little
tasks that always need doing by our volunteer crew.
Imagine my surprise when our new head coach joined us and
got stuck in.
Normally these ghuys who are paid to run the footy side have
theirs heads stuck up their own arses, and I can assure you
some of them know as much about soccer as monster munch.
But Mario from Malta was prepared to get down and dirty.
Annnd guess what ? He got his coaching badges with big Ange,
and played with him at South Melbourne, he played for our
very own PADDYMACOZ at Prahran Celtic, friendly with all the
bhoys in the Brighton Celtic team and knows Harry Kewel very
well.
First time speaking with him, so you can imagine it took a while
for us to get started this morning, so more to come.
Of course when I learned all that, I said to him
“ So you’re a Celtic supporter ?
“ No not really “
“ Ffs are you a hun ?
Laughing “ Never, I have a soft spot for the Celtic but I go for my
local team back in Malta “
Thank feck ! think he was being a little Malteaser. 🤣
H H. Mick
Went on holiday to Malta back in the ‘80s
Any Brit youth there were to be found in t shirt n shorts, 4 sheets to the wind
Meantime, any Italian youths there, were suited and booted, hanging out in cafes and coffee bars, winning the hearts and minds of ALL the girls
Different cultures eh?
31003
As usual I was a wee bit different when I went.
Suited and blootered. 🤣
H H. Mick
I bet the cameras weren’t aimed at the dugout they were just too busy having a sash bash together during the match
Or conveniently turned camera off when Celtic were attacking
SAINT STIVS on 10TH NOVEMBER 2022 6:08 PM
GILMAT on 10TH NOVEMBER 2022 5:47 PM
Jota not in the 26 for the WC
they must have some team. I think he will be gutted, he wanted it.
I watched reruns of the goal last night, it is a think of wonderous beauty.
Maybe the best goal never given.
Up there with Cadete at Ibrox or Andy Ritchie for Morton at Celtic park
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I was at that Celtic v Morto game, in the Main Stand, and I took my ” Billy Boy” Brother in law along to, as he was skint.
HE was raging when Ritchies free kick was disallowed ( For obvious reasons), and I must admit that I joined in with many other Celtic supporters, who grudgingly APPAULED Mortons GOAL, which was a free kick in front of The Jungle, taken by Andy Ritchie, ONLY for the Ref to rule that some Morton player was offside…some 20 yards out from Goal.
I dont remember ANY Celtic player, including Peter Latchford claiming for an OFFSIDE ?
It was a brilliant Goal by Ritchie, and of course with him being an Ex Celt, there was some sympathy from the Celtic crowd.
Celtic WON the game, but i cant remember the score.
HH
APPLAUDED….Correction.
The MORTON Player who was deemed to be Offside at Ritchies Goal, was C;EARLY NOT interfering with Play….that appeared to be the general opinion of many.
it was a shocking decision, and MAYBE it was the Linesman who was too blame ?
If so, I felt that the Ref SHOULD have Over Ruled the Linesman, as they did on occasions.
HH
SFA resorting to leaking VAR camera positions to failed zombie journo Stewart Fisher at the Sun.
Celtic quite right to pursue the facts as we need to know if the VAR officials Dickinson & co lied and cheated.
If they have its end of VaR until neutral overseas officials can be brought in
Martin O’Neill reveals Rangers ultimatum that saw Celtic boss’ family booted OUT of hotel before ‘Demolition Derby’
O’Neill claims Dick Advocaat demanded he and his family leave the Crutherland Hotel in East Kilbride after he accidentally booked a stay in Rangers’ usual base.
Celtic legend Martin O’Neill has revealed his family were ordered out of their hotel before an Old Firm derby in 2000 – because they’d accidentally booked a stay in Rangers’ usual base.
O’Neill’s first season as Celtic manager will forever be fondly remembered in Parkhead folklore as they romped to a domestic treble ahead of their city rivals. The tone was set for the season with a romping 6-2 win, dubbed the ‘Demolition Derby,’ with Chris Sutton bagging a hat-trick and Henrik Larsson scoring his famous chip over Stefan Klos.
Writing in his new book On Days Like These , the legendary manager tells the story of how his wife and daughter had booked a stay in the Crutherland Hotel in East Kilbride – only to find out the Rangers team were also staying there. Not only that, they had a contract with the hotel – which Gers threatened to cancel if they weren’t evicted.
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Dirty Hun BASSA’S…Imagine ” Evicting” any family from anywhere !
HH
Good morning all from Govanhill. A fine Friday for a pre match warm up with the Shipbank Shipwrecks.
Jota offside goal for Celtic ‘MISSED’ by camera operator as human error blamed for disallowed VAR strike
The Parkhead club have questioned why a better angle wasn’t used of the disallowed strike and it’s now claimed it’s due a cameraman failing to record it.
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Maybe the VAR CHUMP was changing the SPOOLS in the Camera at the time of JOTA’S Goal ?
However, it does appear that Celtic FC are asking for ” Answers”, if true then at least that is a step in the right direction .
HH
I was watching the Man Utd v Villa game last night and feel asleep at 0 – 0.
Earlier in the day, I was about to bet Man Utd to win 3 -2 Correct Score at 22/1, but then I checked and Villa were 40/1 TO WIN 3 – 2, so i took the bet on Villa instead.
I woke up after the game, and checked the score, and I saw that Man Utd had scored again to make it 4 – 2, when McTominay scored in the 91st minute.
IF I had stuck with my ORIGINAL Bet, I would have been raging at McTominay…
But i didn’t, so all is well.
LOL
HH
PHILBHOY…
Pity that you cant make it Today mate. Have a great night anyway.
We are planning on RIFELING thru BRRB’s pockets when he is lying upside doon drunk in a corner of the Pub !
LOL
HH
BRRB…
Dont worry mate, I may stick a couple of Quid into your pockets in case you ARE that IMPROVISHED Pensioner that you claim to be ?
LOL
HH
BIG JIMMY
I am a correct score betting fan and have had a fair bit of success.
I have one golden rule, for what it’s worth. I always decide on the correct score BEFORE going into the betting app and seeing the odds on show. The secret is to stick to your original selection and never allow yourself to be tempted by better odds on another score.
So it now transpires that the var camera operator fell asleep and omitted to record Jota’s wonder goal at Fir Park.
What an absolute farce and a total embarrassment for the game in Scotland. Due to the missing video evidence, var would obviously be in no position to overrule the decision of the referee and his assistant who raised the flag.
They have us every which way.
Just as well we won the game.
TOM MCLAUGHLIN on 11TH NOVEMBER 2022 7:09 AM
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I know the OLD ADAGE….NEVER CHANGE your Bet.
It was my auld Orange Father in Law that told me that in the late 1970’s.
I often take a 3- 2 Correct Score line in games that do NOT involve Celtic…just for the HIGHER ODDS and a bit of fun, and as added interest if that game is on TV etc ?
In 2002, Arsenal were playing Juventus in a Champions League game at Highbury. For some reason it was NOT Televised LIVE. I was drinking all day in BRRB’s neck of the woods that day and night in Glesga South Side.
I ended up in the Queens Park Cafe around 9pm, and the TV HIGHLIGHTS were due to start just after 10pm.
I managed to avoid any updates and the Final Score while in the Pub.
As i watched the HIGHLIGHTS just after 10pm, I was getting a wee bit excited……
I had taken Arsenal to WIN by the Correct Score of 3 – 1, AND Freddie Lundberg to Score the 1st Goal….
Watching the highlights while half drunk, Freddie scored the 1st Goal, and then Arsenal were winning 2 – 1….but I didnt know ” How Long” there was to go, as there was NO CLOCK on the TV Screen as it was only Highlights…
Freddie then Scored a THIRD Goal for Arsenal, to make it 3 – 1, and the Final Whistle went soon after, much to my relief.
The ODDS for my Bet were 150/1, so I was a happy Bhoy that night…and the next day.
LOL
HH
I have been against VAR from its first introduction at the last World Cup and remain so.
However, maybe our ‘misfortunes’ with VAR are a blessing in disguise. We have lost no points because of it, so far, and it has been demonstrated to everyone else that VAR does not favour us. Let’s, for a moment, assume that VAR is not being operated by manipulating incompetents and let’s add that everywhere VAR is imperfect because of the fact that the technology is not up to the demands of football – even with rule changes to accommodate VAR- and there remains a subjective element around what incidents even to look at, to say nothing of hand ball. If this is the case, others -e.g., Sevco- will start to have decisions against them, or not for them, because the subjectivity and the inadequacy of the technology will apply randomly to everyone eventually and unexpectedly. When that happens, as Celtic have taken it on the chin and said little or nothing, they -the others- theoretically, should have nothing to say or at least be ignored. If, in time, it doesn’t happen to others randomly, as it is happening to us just now, then we have incontrovertible, objective, evidence of cheating by officials, as there can be no other explanation
I WILL take Celtic to win by 3 – 2, IF I believe that it may be a close game against the Huns for example, and/or a European Game ?
When playing the Huns I usually factor in the likelihood of The Huns getting at least ONE PENALTY !
HH