Let’s start with what the other side think. Motherwell manager, Steven Hammell, complained about Celtic’s second goal. Matt Penney took a throw-in and hit Sead Haksabanovic, who was returning to the field having run off with Penney. Hammell wrongly claimed VAR did not look at the incident, when in fact, they scrutinised it before the goal was confirmed.
See below. The ball is in play the instant any part of it goes above the line. What you have to consider is, where is the ball when it hits Haksabanovic on the head?
Penney is well behind the line, Haksabanovic’s foot looks to be on the line, a football is 22cm. The image is inconclusive. Motherwell may have a case for a good moan, but even though we don’t know for sure what happened on this occasion, VAR was correct, it is only there to change clear mistakes, which this was not.
The challenge on Carl Starfelt by Josh Morris was studs up, caught the Celtic player on the foot (by definition, therefore, out of control) and dangerous. Carl saw it coming and escaped more serious consequences.
There were mitigating circumstances. Carl hesitated, inviting Morris into the challenge, so there was no intent. I suspect that mitigation and the fact that Carl escaped injury led referee Willie Collum to caution the player. We then revert to VAR’s role as an arbiter of a clear mistake. On this occasion, they decided that threshold was not breached. The referee should have awarded a red card first, or waited on guidance from VAR, before issuing a caution.
VAR takes the heat on this one, but it was a ref decision. You may also like to consider an incident at Ibrox last month, when VAR upgraded a caution issued to a Livingston player, advising the referee a red was in order. Personally, I’m happy for VAR to adjudicate either way on these decisions but would really prefer the same interpretation applied to teams in green and white, as to teams in blue.
For my money, the Jota goal was onside. From what we saw on TV, VAR was provided inconclusive evidence. Is it possible they do not have a camera at both ends of the ground? Otherwise, why show us inconclusive pictures from 60 yards away?
My understanding is that VAR have access to their own cameras and to TV (the game was on PPV) at both sides of the ground. I’m a tad suspicious we didn’t see the better freeze-frame. The assistant flagged an offside and we have no clear evidence either way, so I have no case to argue.
I’m happy we have VAR, it provides scrutiny, which is welcome. This has already made clear that we need better ‘trained’ referees. Vilifying them at every turn (I get the irony here) will not help. We also need better VAR. Scotland has an entry level product. England has better, the Champions League has best. Football must find the money and press on.
My main concern for the technology is how ball-to-arm incidents are judged when we visit Ibrox on 2 January. The portents on this one are not encouraging.
Matt O’Riley continues to grow as a player. His ball-winning tackle inside the box before crossing for Kyogo to open the scoring was a measured treat.
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PICINISCO on 11TH NOVEMBER 2022 7:42 AM
I have been against VAR from its first introduction at the last World Cup and remain so.
However, maybe our ‘misfortunes’ with VAR are a blessing in disguise. We have lost no points because of it, so far,
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I have DELIBERATELY ONLY Posted PART of your Post.
Celtic havent dropped Points so far when VAR and the Refs have got it WRONG…….But that is down to the TENACITY and Fine Play by Celtic, and the ” WE NEVER STOP” Mantra.
The fact that Celtic haven’t dropped points so far…is NOT due to VAR andor The Refs……….it has been DESPITE the shocking decisions of Refs and VAR !
Despite, Celtic’s ” WE NEVER STOP” Mantra, I believe that there HAVE been times during recent games that some Celtic players have lost concentration for some spells during the games where VAR and the Refs have made those shocking decisions, as some Celtic players have been left shocked and stunned…for certain spells, DUE to those SHOCKING BIASED Decisions.
HH.
https://philmacgiollabhain.ie/2022/11/10/rugger-guy-and-the-rifc-2022-accounts/#more-28104
RUGGER GUY opinion of hun accounts on Phil MacG website
If the camera is really pointed at the dug-outs then it is no
use to the VAR officials which means their decision on
offside was a total guess as they had no camera line to back them
up
So the decision was given using their experience or HUN credentials
which with old referees operating VAR means that all decisions will
be to the detriment of Celtic
Celtic,s suits will make a token complaint nothing more , everyone of us who attend with our season ticket know it’s not var that’s the problem but the bluenoses and bigots who oversee it . But that story is out that Nicholson and co are on the case ,what action have they taken in the past , what about the cup semi when bassey lundstrum et al kicked us off the park , they did nothing. What do they do about the laptop loyal , bbc covering everything up , if they called out the injustices in Scottish football it would bring the mibs to heel , but no they are allowed to support those injustices , they are welcomed into Celtic park treated with courtesy ,then you pick up the papers or tune into sportscene and Raman on STV rangers news with pro sevco news or anti Celtic news It’s well past time they were taken on , the bunnet would have had it sorted long ago .
so we now have honest mistakes decisions with VAR , absolute joke , this has to be called out , cameras only switched on within our half , heard it all now.
The SFA offical was heard to comment,
‘we’d like to thank big Charlie in Pie Stall 2 at the back of the main stand for assisting our AVAR and VAR and match referee in providing conclusive proof that the Fenian, ahem Celtic player was offside so he was.
Big Charlie commented,
‘I knew that the Nokia belonging to my grandfather would come in handy one day, you just always hope it will, but you never know, we’re all very proud.’
Guys,
I would imagine traffic and parking around London Rd on Saturday will be mad.
The semi final of the Billie Jean cup ( Woman’s Tennis World Cup) GB v Australia is taking place at the Emirates on Saturday morning.
If we are missing any pre match interviews from Ange or Harry, we will know where to find them. 🤣
HH.
Unless there is a significant uptick in overall VAR professionalism, we’d be as well binning the whole effing caboodle. England uses the system well, Europe uses it very well, but – needless to say – in Scozia we manage to completely mess it up. Now there’s a surprise.
Even if VAR was working to perfection what does it actually do to improve the game?
ERNIE LYNCH on 11TH NOVEMBER 2022 9:32 AM
Even if VAR was working to perfection what does it actually do to improve the game?
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Corrects incorrect decisions if it is working to perfection.
it might be working to perfection but will never be used to
perfection as we have blatant huns operating it
432,000,000 shares! Holy moly!
BTW I know who “RUGGER GUY” is.
And he is a big Tim.
My understanding of VAR is that there is a minimum number of cameras to make it work. If the game in question is televised then VAR can make use of additional broadcaster cameras.
So the SFA are telling us that they have no footage of Jota’s goal because the broadcast camera was focused on the bench in that half of the pitch.
Which begs the question what were the actual designated VAR cameras looking at ? Are we to believe that there wasn’t a single VAR camera in that half of the pitch ?
GREENPINATA on 11TH NOVEMBER 2022 9:47 AM
ERNIE LYNCH on 11TH NOVEMBER 2022 9:32 AM
Even if VAR was working to perfection what does it actually do to improve the game?
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Corrects incorrect decisions if it is working to perfection.
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If games are officiated fairly I can live with incorrect decisions. They’re part of the game and always have been. When a ball goes in the net and the ref awards a penalty that should be it. Instant, spontaneous joy for one set of fans, and the opposite for the other. VAR is destroying that.
If games are not officiated fairly then you have a bigger issue which VAR isn’t going to solve.
Is anyone actually believing this pish about VAR camera on the dugout? These cameras are not manually operated,they are sensor driven,geez peace.
What part of video assisting the referee to make correct football decisions is a camera focused on the dugout.
It contradicts the function of VAR and is frankly unbelievable.
HH.
Sometimes it’s better to stop digging.
So what was it,the camera was trained on the dugout,or it was a malfunction?.
Now,not being a VAR expert,I would have assumed,the VAR cameras never moved from the position they are trained on.3 on each side taking in the whole field.
The TV cameras can film the dugout,2 men walking by outside the stadium with a dug,anything they like.Just why would a VAR camera be doing this.I know it’s the SFA and anything remotely ridiculous is possible,but really?.
What part of video assisting the referee to make correct football decisions is a camera focused on the dugout.
It contradicts the function of VAR and is frankly unbelievable.
HH.
Exactly.
any excuse to try and cover up their cheating (honest mistakes) will be used and blaming someone or something to try and justify his (the real ref not the one on the pitch) decision , we are getting taken as mugs as usual.
There’s more than a whiff of Farrygate to this and Celtic need to be relentless in pursuit of answers.
ERNIE LYNCH
When a ball goes in the net and the ref awards a penalty that should be it.
What strange kinda football is that?
Celtic can’t really be taking this reply seriously.I mean,,WTF.
Anyway,we have been assured by the officials,that Jota WAS offside.
Aw hiv they,Aye.
Camera was on a squirrel
What about Abada’s ‘offside’ goal against Hearts……..nothing shown to justify the decision, probably filming Edinburgh castle.
TOM MCLAUGHLIN on 11TH NOVEMBER 2022 10:20 AM
Glad you’re paying attention. I wondered who would spot that.
Should be a goal.
The point is that when that happens now the immediacy and spontaneity are gone. Is it a goal? Might be. Might not be. We’ll find out in a minute. Maybe two minutes. In the meantime just talk among yourselves.
It’s football for those at one end of the spectrum. The end that doesn’t do football.
I just wish people on here would stop reading the Record for anything pertaining to them.When their accounts were published,we had a good few,impressed,with what the Record printed.I hope they had a good read at Phil’s blog today.
The Devil is always in the detail.And the small print.
GENE,maybe a Squirrel just moved one.
They are wee buggers for moving cameras.
The live coverage of Jota’s goal was from a camera on or very near the half way line. Why did VAR go further back toward the Motherwell pen box to get a camera angle ?
Bring back Scotsport
Wi big Arthur up there in Gantry up above Kev in the Jungle
That’s what needed
Celtic Mac
A £49 stramash
AN DÚN on 11TH NOVEMBER 2022 10:20 AM
There’s more than a whiff of Farrygate to this and Celtic need to be relentless in pursuit of answers.
Totally correct.And “Dougie Dougie” gate.When they start lying,they are covering up.
AN DUN
They went as far back as necessary until it looked as if Jota was offside
Corrupt hun barstewards
!!BADA BING!! on 11TH NOVEMBER 2022 10:05 AM
Is anyone actually believing this pish about VAR camera on the dugout? These cameras are not manually operated,they are sensor driven,geez peace.
Correct Bada rippin the p me thinks
HH
Team for Oz,
Hart,/ Siegrist
Tony Carl Jenz Greg/ Welsh
O Riley Hatate Abdiligaard / Turnbull
Jota, Kyogo/ Gio Abada/ Forrest.
Hopefully Haksa is on our plane
Good to go I would think.
Var is not sensor driven , it’s censor driven 😜
BB- VG
An Dún on 11th November 2022 10:20 am
There’s more than a whiff of Farrygate to this and Celtic need to be relentless in pursuit of answers.
Correct
Have Motherwell produced any still photos or video evidence that their goal side camera was pointed at the dug out in the 58th minute.
The TV pictures briefly shows Ange at the extreme front left of his technical area clapping his hands as the move develops. Can Motherwell produce a video or still of this event? If they can, can they explain why their camera operator was derelict in covering this area rather than where the play was?