Let’s start with what the other side think. Motherwell manager, Steven Hammell, complained about Celtic’s second goal. Matt Penney took a throw-in and hit Sead Haksabanovic, who was returning to the field having run off with Penney. Hammell wrongly claimed VAR did not look at the incident, when in fact, they scrutinised it before the goal was confirmed.
See below. The ball is in play the instant any part of it goes above the line. What you have to consider is, where is the ball when it hits Haksabanovic on the head?
Penney is well behind the line, Haksabanovic’s foot looks to be on the line, a football is 22cm. The image is inconclusive. Motherwell may have a case for a good moan, but even though we don’t know for sure what happened on this occasion, VAR was correct, it is only there to change clear mistakes, which this was not.
The challenge on Carl Starfelt by Josh Morris was studs up, caught the Celtic player on the foot (by definition, therefore, out of control) and dangerous. Carl saw it coming and escaped more serious consequences.
There were mitigating circumstances. Carl hesitated, inviting Morris into the challenge, so there was no intent. I suspect that mitigation and the fact that Carl escaped injury led referee Willie Collum to caution the player. We then revert to VAR’s role as an arbiter of a clear mistake. On this occasion, they decided that threshold was not breached. The referee should have awarded a red card first, or waited on guidance from VAR, before issuing a caution.
VAR takes the heat on this one, but it was a ref decision. You may also like to consider an incident at Ibrox last month, when VAR upgraded a caution issued to a Livingston player, advising the referee a red was in order. Personally, I’m happy for VAR to adjudicate either way on these decisions but would really prefer the same interpretation applied to teams in green and white, as to teams in blue.
For my money, the Jota goal was onside. From what we saw on TV, VAR was provided inconclusive evidence. Is it possible they do not have a camera at both ends of the ground? Otherwise, why show us inconclusive pictures from 60 yards away?
My understanding is that VAR have access to their own cameras and to TV (the game was on PPV) at both sides of the ground. I’m a tad suspicious we didn’t see the better freeze-frame. The assistant flagged an offside and we have no clear evidence either way, so I have no case to argue.
I’m happy we have VAR, it provides scrutiny, which is welcome. This has already made clear that we need better ‘trained’ referees. Vilifying them at every turn (I get the irony here) will not help. We also need better VAR. Scotland has an entry level product. England has better, the Champions League has best. Football must find the money and press on.
My main concern for the technology is how ball-to-arm incidents are judged when we visit Ibrox on 2 January. The portents on this one are not encouraging.
Matt O’Riley continues to grow as a player. His ball-winning tackle inside the box before crossing for Kyogo to open the scoring was a measured treat.
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SFA say
‘Hawk-Eye technology is designed to calibrate an accurate offside decision from either of the two 18-yard line camera positions,’
Really then why bother with the other cameras, just have one. Now they really are taking the piss, I would contact the manufacturer to confirm this
What time are the Oz games being shown at,Celtic Park time.
I am 3 hours behind that.Anyone know.
It has now emerged that the VAR Camera at Fir Park was in an ” UNNATURAL POSITION”.
HH
Soccer AM would have a ball with this VAR shambles.They really would.
Pyoor Riddy.
TURKEYBHOY on 11TH NOVEMBER 2022 11:22 AM
What time are the Oz games being shown at,Celtic Park time.
I am 3 hours behind that.Anyone know.
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0845 Celtic Park time on the 17th for the game against Sydney FC, 0345 Celtic Park time on the 20th for the Everton game.
Big Jimmy,
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Mc Cargo,
Many thanks.
Unfortunately due to circumstances beyond my control I missed most of the Motherwell game, including entire second half.
Just wondering was Jota flagged off in real time by linesman, if he was then goal wouldn’t have stood VAR or no Var but if he wasn’t & VAR disallowed it without a proper camera angle then it is blatant cheating.
corkcelt,
or VAR told him to put flag up as the move ended with a goal. so there arses were covered…
Yes, Lucky Cody, had a peek at Sentinel Celts after I posted and my question was answered .
If in doubt linesmen are instructed to let play develop , if something major ensues like a goal scored or a penalty offence ensues, the Linesman then flags basically saying I’m not sure please check ,
I’m kinda lovin all this VAR problems, it’s like giving an idiot a loaded gun eventually they’ll shoot themselves in the foot.
THE_HUDDLE on 11TH NOVEMBER 2022 11:51 AM
They’ve shot the rest of us first
That SFA statement is total nonsense.
Is there an organization with worse communications than the SFA. We get that they’re doing everything in a far lower budget than other football associations but they’re failing at the absolute basics here
new article posted.
Sfa statement
When Jota received the ball…they don’t even know their own rules!
https://www.scottishfa.co.uk/news/referee-operations-statement-motherwell-v-celtic/
HH
Green Ninja
Sorry but I will be 2pm todsy not 1.30pm. Same place though.
I am at mercy of the guy who has my tickets and he is running late.
apologies.