You want some good news? Around £1m of Tottenham’s money for Victor Wanyama will find its way to Celtic, which will offset some of the economic impact of this morning’s news. This aside, there is only bad news. If we want to buy footballers priced in euros (or anything other than GPB) they will cost more money. We will also have to pay higher wages to be competitive with European clubs.
Goods will cost more – it will start today with fuel and travel, then food, electrical goods and everything else. Wages will buy less (not just less-able footballers). Borrowing repayments will be higher. Business expenditure, wages and employment will drop, so will the tax take – and money available for welfare spend. The poor always pay the highest penalty.
If you are rich enough and without a mortgage you can indulge in flag waving all day, happy in a delusion that self-determination even remotely exists in modern economies. Or that more self-determination over here, and a little less over there, is a panacea. It’s not, it’s just another economic crisis coming your way soon.
The entire political class have failed us. Calling a flag waving referendum was a grubby attempt to hold onto power by the prime minister; this mess is his making. Whoever succeeds him will have to successfully pander to the same party membership in order to get elected.
Jeremy Corbyn’s mealie-mouthed campaigning was an embarrassment. His “7 out of 10” backing for remain did what it was supposed to do: convince people he was going through the motions for something he didn’t believe in.
Who’s ever heard of a leader winning support for an issue he is prepared to back 7 out of 10 himself? He should go, but political ego will ensure he’ll hang around to make sure Johnson wins the next general election.
It took six days for the Greek government to abandon their own disastrous EU referendum mandate. Instead of attempting a rescue, all our political ‘leaders’ will give us is more populist power grabs. It’s already underway.
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timaloy29 sleeps on the heated driveway on 24th June 2016 1:39 pm
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THIS is why we stand the best chance of getting Joe Allan:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=73xyVUy1v9g
;))
According to one of Ashcroft’s opinion polls one in three Labour voters voted for Brexit.
Whereas, in contrast, the figure for SNP voters was one in three.
Great news about Kieran signing !
CANAMALAR IT LOOKS LIKE OCD OBSESSION on 24TH JUNE 2016 1:38 PM
I’m not completely but I think it unlikely. Especially if Article 50 is initiated, as is being pressured right.
From a quick scan the Dutch look closest to actually staging a ref, but they’ve a GE to get out the way first, then it’ll all needed set-up, campaigned and voted for before it starts. So (and I know there’s all ifs and buts right now) if we invoke Article 50 we may be nearing the end of the process before they even vote. However the threat will be there the whole time and the EU will be keen to make it look like a bad idea.
PATRICK27 on 24TH JUNE 2016 1:16 PM
and
STARRY PLOUGH on 24TH JUNE 2016 1:16 PM
JONNYRAMBO67
Cheers. Already started the process of gathering the relevant documentation. Think the poor embassy staff will be inundated with enquiries, so I’ll at least try and get everything together before I contact them.
The embassy could not have been more helpful..
ERNIE LYNCH on 24TH JUNE 2016 1:47 PM
According to one of Ashcroft’s opinion polls one in three Labour voters voted for Brexit.
Whereas, in contrast, the figure for SNP voters was one in three.
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Yeah, it really puts the Corbyn criticism and Sturgeon praise in perspective.
If we tried to push the boat out on some players……
What about Brady and Hoolahan?
It’s all Peter Lawwell’s fault :-)
TIMALOY29
We push out the boat on players,the Huns push out the players on managers.
Our conscience is clean!
Offski,nightshift far too soon and a wee day planned in Bristol the morra.
Ernie
One of the interesting (regrettable) features at the last GE was the haemorrhage of support from Labour to UKIP. Labour lost a huge part of its core support in England, and it appears from the referendum result, they haven’t managed to bring them back into the fold.
We’ve got a UK set to leave the EU, precipitating a (seemingly inevitable) second Scottish Independence referendum, with the Tories eating each other and Labour seemingly broken.
Meanwhile the remaining EU members have cause to consider quite what the EU should look like in the future, with a fair old scrap amongst the membership in the offing.
Predicting what forms will emerge when it all settles is impossible.
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Leading Brexiteer George Galloway Has Tweeted….
That He Has Yet To Receive Congrats From A Certain ERNIE LYNCH.
Is This The End Of A Beautiful Friendship..?!
Will He No Longer Be Welcome At Those Idyllic “Cream & Tutu” Parties Doon The Croydon Gingerbread Cottage…?
Where Will He Get His Choice Courgettes Now…?
Will He Never See Wee Jimmi Sommerville’s Smiin’ Face Again..?
Oh…The HUMANITY !!
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The Communards : Don’t Leave Me This Way
https://youtube.com/watch?v=2mlpxOaQinE
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Step Aside, Charles…!
We Want KING NIGEL…
When Your Maw Retires.
Still…Laughin’
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Johnyrambo
This is a good place for info:
http://www.inis.gov.ie/en/INIS/Pages/WP11000024
If you live in Scotland, I think you’ll need to apply via the consul’s office in Edinburgh…
VIP
I have always believed that if a Tory wants something, Joe Public should want the opposite.
Voting Tory, supporting the hun, just can’t get the head round it at all.
JonnyRambo67 on 24th June 2016 1:11 pm
TRADITIONALIST88 on 24TH JUNE 2016 1:08 PM
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Much obliged
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No probs
HH
I’m sure like all those clever bassas that voted the lib dems instead of Labour resulting in the massive spending cuts coalition government previously,they’ll come to rue the day they voted to leave Europe.
betterthedevilyouknowcsc
Awe naw,
Is Ireland going to be swamped with Brits holding new Irish passports?
I demand a Referendum!
THE BATTERED BUNNET on 24TH JUNE 2016 2:05 PM
‘One of the interesting (regrettable) features at the last GE was the haemorrhage of support from Labour to UKIP.’
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All part of the trend of class consciousness giving way to nationalism.
I still have a sneaking suspicion that there will be a second referendum on a renegotiated deal.
Will we be subject to the Bosman ruling when we negotiate our exit terms?
U.K. Transfers wouldn’t be?
Weeminger,
Your forgetting it will take an act of parliament to enact article 50 and there is very little support for it in parliament.
AULD TAM @ 1:42 PM,
If there isn’the a rethink and a further referendum, as Weeminger states The EU will have to make an example of the UK by being draconian with the terms of the Brexit.
A UK passport won’t allow you the freedom of access anumber EU one would. I’d like to keep my EU Citizenship, in the medium term that could well be best done as a Scot.
Hail Hail
Corbyn may be the real deal as regards left wing policies but he, or the party he leads, will never be elected by the English working class.
PARKHEADCUMSALFORD on 24TH JUNE 2016 2:13 PM
Corbyn may be the real deal as regards left wing policies but he, or the party he leads, will never be elected by the English working class.
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That’s certainly the impression you get from the media. But it’s belied to an extent by the various by elections there have been.
JohnnyRambo67
This should help,
http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/news/liverpool-news/how-irish-passport-after-brexit-11520898
HH
Great news about young Kieran Tierneys contract.
Chairbhoy –
Prior to the UK joining Europe, a UK passport allowed access to European countries. After brexit, the only difference will be that you won’t be able to just go there and live without going through that country’s immigration procedures.
You will still be able to visit Europe on your UK passport. Free movement within the EU is about migration, not tourism.
TIMALOY29 SLEEPS ON THE HEATED DRIVEWAY on 24TH JUNE 2016 1:57 PM
ERNIE LYNCH on 24TH JUNE 2016 1:47 PM
That’s quite interesting. There’s a couple of points I’d make on that. Up here those that think of themselves as leftish (rightly or wrongly) are split across SNP, Lab, LibDem and Green. Down south that’s obviously just the latter three so you can argue that there was more emphasis on Labour and by extension JC to make an effort to ensure their supporters voted Remain.
JCs problem was the running up to this he was widely known to be Euro-sceptic, and because of he didn’t lead from the front and also because of things like being ‘7 out of 10’ with the campaign, it was felt he wasn’t making an effort to sway his supporters.
For a politician that made his reputation sticking to his beliefs regardless of the party stance I really think that he should have strongly gone for what he supported be that exit or remain. He didn’t. Anybody that started out with the hard-left arguments for Brexit wouldn’t have been persuaded by him to vote Remain.
On Nicolas front could she have done more to dissuade some who were voting leave in the hope it would hasten another Indyref. Yes, I think she probably could, but I think it’s also true that she produced a strong argument for Remain and was widely perceived as being one of the better ones at that.
JUNGLE VIP on 24TH JUNE 2016 2:09 PM
Cheers mate. Got a list of what I need. Hopefully have it sorted in a few days then I’ll get in touch with the consul for clarification in how to proceed.
In the meantime I’ll start learning the Soldier’s song in Gaelic, or should that be Gaeilge… :-)
On the positive side, if UK players are paid less than the stronger EURo countries, then the EPL will need to pay even more.
ernie lynch said:
” I still have a sneaking suspicion that there will be a second referendum on a renegotiated deal.”
I wouldn`t be surprised at that either but It would be interesting to see how they sell it to the Little Englanders.
JJ
Thomthetim
Looks like it
http://waterfordwhispersnews.com/2016/06/24/thousands-of-british-refugees-make-dangerous-journey-across-the-irish-sea/
CANAMALAR IT LOOKS LIKE OCD OBSESSION on 24TH JUNE 2016 2:11 PM
Do you seriously believe that MPs will go against the democratic process? Any MP that votes against the referendum votes in their constituency could very quickly find themselves the result of a no confidence motion by their constituents.
BMCUW –
Just saw your earlier comment about the Romanian Big Issue seller.
Good for you.
I bet a lot of those types actually believe that East Europeans who have already legally migrated to the UK will be deported after brexit.
I guess they’ll also get a shock when they discover Syria and Iraq are not in n Europe.
I’m confused.
Are we still at war with Oceana? We are, right?
WinstonSmith CSC
The above was a shameless repost as I put it up when i was talking to myself on the last thread ;)
“All part of the trend of class consciousness giving way to nationalism.”
There’s no doubt that there’s a truth in that observation, but you should be wary not to give it more weight than it deserves.
“I still have a sneaking suspicion that there will be a second referendum on a renegotiated deal.”
The EU is in every bit as much in turmoil today as the UK. On the one hand, the natural reaction is to ensure that the benefits of remaining a member outweigh the costs of leaving, which augurs poorly for those who think we can have access to the Single Market without subscribing to its rules. (Doh!)
On the other, it’s widely recognised that the EU has expanded far beyond the comfortable consensus of many people in the EU12 states. Holland, Denmark, France all have significant movements. Change is inevitable in the circumstances, whether that’s a reinforcement of the European project, or a reform of it we’ll see in due course.
If the latter, a 2nd referendum would be natural.
anyone else thick that our captain SB should stop all this nonsense and stupidity in taking the bait from him across the city, we are better than that, surprised that BR has let this go on
think not thick, but then again
That’s the financial companies getting their plans to move staff elsewhere kicked off. So the service economy that replaced our manufacturing economy will be goosed.