I hear from good sources at Celtic Park that despite Victor Wanyama declining to sign a contract extension since October last year, the player is an absolute joy to deal with. His professionalism is well rooted; there have been no “rolled out of the pub” emails about this guy, nor is there likely to be.
There are usually reasons why a player with the best part of three years left on his contract (as it was) declines a one year extension for dramatically better wages (Victor is on an entry level contract and was offered a top pay deal). We now know discussions were taking place for a proposed move to QPR last summer.
According to Victor’s agent, Celtic blocked the proposed move, costing the player £1m in wages. It could be argued that advising Victor to decline Celtic’s new contract offer also cost Victor a substantial sum.
Herein lies the problem. QPR were paying the kind of money that would make Louis XVI wince. Staggering sums were paid to players, well beyond their value. Despite this, those very same players are now readjusting to life as lower-division players.
The irony has escaped Vic’s agent, but the contract value proposed to the player during QPR’s pre-guillotine era made declining Celtic’s offer almost a year ago look like a good idea. The contract offered by saner-Southampton clearly pales by comparison, which will make the decision to sit on entry-level wages at Celtic for nine months look ridiculous. Of course people are getting irritated, there are questions to answer about the advice given.
My guess is that the agent needs to pull a big contract offer out of the bag. Victor is a special talent but Louis XVI-type offers don’t always come along in twos. If Victor goes, it will be to a club matching Celtic’s valuation and the money will come in handy. If he stays, Celtic expect to retain their top player for another two years. No one, and I mean no one, is distressed at this prospect, after all, Celtic sell when they choose to, not because they have to.
So the Daily Record have (for the second time, in case you’ve not been paying attention) dipped their toes into Charlotte waters. Items “leaked on to the internet, where they are openly available” have been used, without reference to source, and without concern for apparent legal consequence.
As far as I am aware, none of the owners of the material leaked have disputed their authenticity or declined permission for it to be used. Our media are a huge part of this story, they feature in galling terms in many of the leaked documents. The cry of legal probity was convenient, but has twice been shown to be nonsense by the Daily Record (who have been highly selective on who to target).
It is a huge story.
There are months of material waiting to be written about.
The Daily Record are doing what many said cannot be done, without consequence.
But, this one does not fit popular narrative, and is likely to cause the kind of schism Mme Guillotine did in 18th century France. Seek Truth, as someone once said.
Willie Wallace………… what can we say?
Willie came onto CQN last night before leaving for Australia today. This is a taste of what he said:
“I just wanted to come back onto CQN this evening to say my farewells as myself and Olive head back to Australia tomorrow. I would like to offer my heartfelt thanks to all the Celtic supporters I have met during the past month, at book signing events, in supporters clubs such as Greenock and at the CQN Golf Day.
“Also to everyone at the Lions Roar event last Friday where Bertie stole the show as usual! I came all the way from Australia and I couldn’t get a word in! The 1254125 charity tells you everything you need to know about Celtic supporters.
What is amazing about this Celtic family of ours is that when you live at the other side of the world you still know that this is a special club with wonderful supporters. Then you come back to Scotland and realise you actually under estimated these things because Celtic is even better than you remember and the fans are truly amazing. The best in the world.
“To everyone on CQN can I say a very special thank you. I hoped that the book would go well and we’d sell a few copies but it was never about money – it was about telling my story. I arrived at Winning Captains house and was met by a mountain of books to sign – all ordered by the CQNers. I had to go back another day to finish signing and the mountain was as big as before! I’ve been avoiding him ever since!
To Brogan Rogan Trevino and Hogan – when I heard his name I thought that would be some round of drinks! He’s been great, helping make Heart of a Lion what it is – a really good Celtic book – and turning up at the CQN events and book signings.
“Thank you the CQN’ers.
“Thanks to the Celtic family and I look forward to our next trip home to Paradise.
“Hail Hail and all the best to each of you and your families.
“Willie Wallace
“Keep the Faith!
“Hail Hail!”
Willie, it has been an utter joy. Thank you.
Heart of a Lion:
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Proudbhoy,
I think you are right.
I thought at the end of the season that Lennon’s budget would be about £4m (if we didn’t sell any players).
I would be happy to go into the new season with the current squad (especially if Wanyama and/or Hooper were to sign new contracts). That would be the best outcome for us.
However, it does look like both Hooper and Wanyama will leave. I reckon we will get £12m for Wanyama and about £6m for Hooper (rumour is Scunthorpe have a 20% sell on clause). That would be about £17m. Give £10m to Lenny to replace both players and sign a creative midfield player (roughly £3m per player??. The remaining £7m should be kept as reserves in case we don’t reach the Champions League and then released to the Celtic triangle project if we do.
TALLYBHOY
Most English people of my acquaintance will tell you they understood Carlo better than they understand me.
Strangely they get every word when I swear at them….
Really well done Gordon. Hugely impressed. Good luck.
TBB
BMCUW
Thanks for that, just tried it there, and seems to work. Thanks again!
HH
Celtic_First
As far as I am aware Ancelotti has relatives in the Embra/Lothian area.
HH!!
BT, chuckles green hisnay a pot to piss in, it canny be him.
BobM, I’ll send you a post card from my floating hotel in the Maldives.
50 shades, damn it I should have read the text twice before agreeing on the gold coating for the hotel floats.
Hebcelt, that badboy was sliced up and put away for future reference as soon as it was out of the wrapper. Good point on the slicing though as the blade for my angle grinder is a bit worn:-). Had a couple of bits already along with Ayrshire bacon, tattie scones and free range eggs. Wonderful stuff and certainly a better flavour and consistency than what I get in the wee farm shop down the road.
Thanks again and consider yourself drammed, I’ll keep you posted as to the timing of the bottling.
Right, things to do. Off to buy a couple of trophy wives from khazakbride.com and a trip on the next Richard Branson space mission.
Being a newbie squillionaire is such hard work.
Hail Hail Celtic men n wummin
Tallybhoy
Thanks. Is it a five families thing?
Gordon J
Well done another CQNer to make us proud,in fact,you have inspired me …am gonnae dae wan as well..wer dae a start?
hh
BON CHANCE
from “The lady of Charlotte” via TSFM
THE SPFL— THE CASE FOR REVOLUTION, EVOLUTION AND A CASE OF THE HAMILTON WHACKIES !
JUNE 12, 2013 BY BROGANROGANTREVINOANDHOGAN 2,040 COMMENTS
Good Evening.
As we ponder the historic vote to create a new Governing body to oversee Scottish League football, I cannot help but wonder what brilliant minds will be employed in the drawing up of its constitution, rules, memorandum and articles of association?
Clearly, Messrs Doncaster, Longmuir and even Mr Regan as the CEO of the SFA will be spending many hours with those dreaded folk known simply as “ The Lawyers” in an attempt to get the whole thing up and running and written down in the course of a few short weeks.
In truth, that scares me.
It scares me because legal documentation written up in a hurry or in a rush is seldom perfect and often needs amendment—especially when the errors start to show! The old adage of beware of the busy fool sadly applies.
It also scares me because the existing rules under which the game is governed are not, in my humble opinion, particularly well written and seem to differ in certain material respects from those of UEFA. Even then, adopting the wording and the approach of other bodies is not necessarily the way to go.
I am all in favour of some original thought– and that most precious and unusual of commodities known as common sense and plain English.
Further, the various licensing and compliance rules are clearly in need of an overhaul as they have of late produced what can only be best described as a lack of clarity when studied for the purposes of interpretation. Either that or those doing the studying and interpreting are afflicted with what might be described as tortuous or even tortured legal and administrative minds.
If it is not by now clear that the notion of self-certification on financial and other essential disclosure criteria necessary to obtain a footballing licence (whether European or domestic) is a total non-starter — then those in charge of the game are truly bonkers.
Whilst no governing body can wholly control the actions of a member club, or those who run a club, surely provisions can be inserted into any constitution or set of rules that allows and brings about greater vigilance and scrutiny than we have at present—all of course designed to do nothing other than alert the authorities as early as possible if matters are not being conducted properly or fairly.
However, the main change that would make a difference to most of the folk involved in the Scottish game – namely the fans— would be to have the new rules incorporate a measure which allowed football fans themselves to be represented on any executive or committee.
Clearly, this would be a somewhat revolutionary step and would be fought against tooth and nail by some for no reason other than that it has simply not been done before—especially as the league body is there to regulate the affairs of a number of limited companies all of whom have shareholders to account to and the clubs themselves would presumably be the shareholders in the new SPFL Ltd.
Then again to my knowledge Neil Doncaster is not a shareholder in The SPL ltd– is he?
I can hear the argument that a fan representative on a league body might not be impartial, might be unprofessional, might be biased, might lack knowledge or experience, and have their own agenda and so on—just like many chairmen and chief executive officers who already sit on the committees of the existing league bodies.
Remember too that the SFA until relatively recently had disciplinary committees made up almost exclusively of referees. I don’t think anyone would argue that the widening of the make up of that committee has been a backward step.
However, we already have fan representation at clubs like St Mirren and Motherwell, and of course there has been an established Tartan Army body for some time now. Clubs other than the two mentioned above have mechanisms whereby they communicate and consult with fans, although they stop short of full fan participation– very often for supposedly insurmountable legal reasons.
As often as not, the fans want a say in the running of their club, but also want to be able to make representations to the governing bodies via their club.
So why not include the fans directly in the new set up for governing the league?
Any fan representative could be someone proposed by a properly registered fan body such as through official supporters clubs, or could be seconded by the clubs acting in concert with their supporters clubs.
Perhaps a committee of fan representatives could be created, with such a committee having a representative on the various committees of the new league body.
In this way, there would be a fan who could report back to the fan committee and who could represent the interests of the ordinary fan in the street in any of the committees. Equally such a committee of fans could ensure that any behind the scenes discussions on any issue were properly reported, openly discussed, and made public with no fear of hidden agendas, secret meetings, and secret collusive agreements and so forth.
Is any of that unreasonable? Surely many companies consider the views of their biggest customer? This idea is no different.
Surely such a situation would go some way towards establishing some badly needed trust between the governing bodies and the fans themselves?
If necessary, I would not even object to the fan representatives being excluded from having a right to vote on certain matters—as long as they had a full right of audience and a full right of access to all discussions and relative papers which affect the running of the game.
In this way at least there would be openness and transparency.
In short, it would be a move towards what is quaintly referred to as Democracy.
Perhaps, those who run the game at present should consider the life and times of the late great Alexander Hamilton- one of the founding fathers of the United States of America and who played a significant role in helping write the constitution of that country.
Hamilton was a decent and brilliant man in many ways—but he was dead set against Democracy and the liberation of rights for the masses. In fact, he stated that the best that can be hoped for the mass populace is that they be properly armed with a gun and so able to protect themselves against injustice!
Sadly, Hamilton became embroiled in a bitter dispute with the then Vice President of the nation Aaron Burr in July 1804. Hamilton had used his influence and ensured that Burr lost the election to become Governor of New York and had made some withering attacks on the Vice President’s character.
When he refused to apologise, the Vice President took a whacky notion and challenged him to a duel! Even more whacky is the fact that Hamilton accepted the challenge and so the contest took place at Weehawken New Jersey on the morning of 11th July 1804.
The night before, Hamilton wrote a letter which heavily suggested that he would contrive to miss Burr with his shot, and indeed when the pistols fired Hamilton’s bullet struck a branch immediately above Burr’s head.
However, he did not follow the proper procedure for duelling which required a warning from the duellist that they are going to throw their shot away. Hamilton gave no such indication despite the terms of his letter and despite his shot clearly missing his opponent.
Burr however fired and hit Hamilton in the lower abdomen with the result that the former secretary to the treasury and founding father of the constitution died at 2pm on the twelfth of July.
The incident ruined Burr’s career (whilst duelling was still technically legal in New jersey, it had already been outlawed in various other states).
In any event, in Hamilton’s time full and open democracy in the United States of America would have met with many cries of outrage and bitter opposition. Yet, today, the descendants of slaves and everyone from all social standings, all ethnic minorities and every social background has the constitutional right to vote and seek entry to corridors of power.
In that light, is it really asking too much to allow football fans to have a say and a presence in the running of a game they pay so much to support?
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Gaz says:
June 25, 2013 at 10:32 pm
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YOURHAVINGALAUGH says:
June 25, 2013 at 10:27 pm
Her Majesty’s Revenue & Customs managed it.
EKBhoy says:
June 25, 2013 at 10:42 pm
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Tailothebank
From my last post
Short term each supporter should back any proposal which sidelines the SFA in running organised professional (full-time) football – campaign for community investment in modern 4/ 5 G pitches , and protest about the style of reffin in Scitland which is stuck somewhere in the late 1970s , our so called style is doing us collectively no favours in 2013
….. it requires clubs to work around the SFA as they are a busted flush, my reference to them as the administrative wing of Rangers could be argued as a cheap shot , however to the casual observer the glove (unlike OJ) actually does fit.
The SFA are the stumbling block , Dallas email gate just about summed them up , imagine any organisation giving them any sizeable cash injection – brothers rubbing their hands. sounds like a familiar problem!
I suspect that there will be many SFA coaches doing a decent job but collectively their bosses are negating their efforts … improving Scottish football must start at the top and a total clear out of the SFA is required. I would move the organisation to an office block in Aberdeen and invite applications for every single job, encumbents not welcome. Perhaps not a realistic option but it will take drastic action – I suspect that it will take clear evidence of corruption which cannot be obfuscated to permit a clear out … so the odds are on a progressive deterioration in the game relative to the rest of Europe.
Robert Coyle says:
June 25, 2013 at 10:46 pm
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Actonsheep says:
June 25, 2013 at 10:30 pm
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Think my eyes must have been squinting,had’nt noticed that,another nail in the coffin for the its the same club theorists .Dissappointing that there was no signatures at the end.
martybhoy says:
June 25, 2013 at 11:07 pm
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Wee Dawell King from Uddingston now making his living as a florist in Florida according to the CQN Bhoys.
Spoke enough manure in his time to fertilise all the flowers and bulbs in Holland.
Really surprised that he hasn’t managed a gig as a sports churnalist over the pond,ey?
Dawell and Smeato representing Deadclub fans in the land of free speech haha……….they’ve found their true level at last.
Pair of muppets and hope they never come back anywhere east of where they are now.
ForresDee says:
June 25, 2013 at 11:24 pm
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ianagain says:
June 25, 2013 at 10:25 pm
………Agree we new more on Hearts, Dunfermline, Dundee. But whs posting?
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Bomber’s blown the budget and he hasn’t signed a keeper.
Nothing has really changed at Dens, investment on hold while the fans owned idea burns to the ground.
Never a dull off-season
jean7brodie says:
June 25, 2013 at 11:28 pm
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tailothebank says:
June 25, 2013 at 10:15 pm
I fear this forum is in danger of losing it’s way…
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Sorry to disagree pal, but I don’t.
martybhoy says:
June 25, 2013 at 11:48 pm
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Wee Dawell looking bigger than the Beatles these days…..bigger even than the average resident Uncle Sam.
When the Sevconians reflect on Deadclub and their dastardly deeds , do they comfort eat with steak bakes or the American equivalent?
Chin up Dawell……both of them……heh heh heh.
slimshady61 says:
June 26, 2013 at 12:11 am
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jean7brodie says:
June 25, 2013 at 11:28 pm
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I’m with you, Jean. The strapline on this blog is “asking the questions the media won’t ask” and that’s never been more necessary than now, particularly with the revelations of past days.
The media in Scotland is now so hopelessly compromised it cannot own up to the fact and actually deal with it.
Look at the cast of players –
STV – entered into an infamous “joint venture” with the now deceased RFC at the instigation of one of its senior management
BBC – its flagship football programmes were hosted by and generally taken over by RFC supporters – many of them still on the RFC books though that was shamefully hidden from public knowledge – whilst the programmes were trumpeted as independent ;
Radio Clyde – where do we begin? Much as for the BBC but at an even more downmarket level; tat masquerading as populism, the level only raised when Terry and co called in
Real Radio – such an omnishambles it shut down its football phone in once RFC had breathed its last
The Record – its football coverage led by Jim Traynor for many years, need I say more?
Even the national broadcasters view things through a blue prism – Jim White at Skysports and Talksport with Richard Keays & Andy Gray
And so it goes on. Back at the ranch, it’s like the guest list at the local lodge – Mark Hateley, Andy Goram, Gary Ralston, Derek Johnstone, Roger Hannah, Fraser Wishart, Chick Young, Billy Dodds, Gordon Smith, Mark Guidi, Gordon Waddell, Darrell King, Daryl Broadfoot, Graham Speirs, Richard Wilson, Hugh Keevins (how the f*** did he slip in?), Michael Grant (token Don), David Friel….
The only probing questions you are likely to hear in the company of this bunch are “is it a free bar?” and “how do I get on the Ibrox payroll?”
This forum is not in danger of losing its way, it can never be in danger of losing its way so long as we
carry on calling these people to account.
If the print media is collapsing in Scotland, there is only one group of people to blame and that is those responsible for producing those newspapers.
I suspect it is now too late to do anything about it but on the sports front, they will be no loss to the game in Scotland.
54 (seconds to midnight)
john clarke says:
June 26, 2013 at 12:12 am
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jean7brodie says:
June 25, 2013 at 11:28 pm
‘Sorry to disagree pal, but I don’t.’
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jean7brodie, you’ve said in 7 words what I would have needed 29 paragraphs to say.
I’ll say one of them.
Essentially, this blog is not about a particular football club, whether a dead one or an illicit new one.
It is about the fact that the Footballing Authorities , in particular the SFA, under the presidency of a former board member of a particular club, breached their own rules in order to save that particular club from the consequences of its absolutely insulting-to-the-rest-of-scottish-football behaviour.
That that club was what was then RFC is, essentially, neither her nor there. The ‘obsession’ is not with ‘Rangers’.,
It is with the ( ok, the ‘alleged’ ) corrupting influence of that club’s very longstanding, malignant association with the Footballing Authorities that is the point.
That, and, as we have seen, the wholly rotten collusion of the MSM in that corruption.
resin_lab_dogH says:
June 26, 2013 at 12:31 am
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Gaz says:
June 25, 2013 at 10:18 pm
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In order to save a lot of time and debate can we just decide now, should the next club be called
The Sevco
New Sevco
The New Sevco.
I don’t know if I could go through the same level of sophistry again. So if we just decide on the name now it will save people coming up with more and more tortuous “arguments”.
(The above post was sponsored by irony and facetiousness)
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I was trhinking ‘the artists formerly known as squiggle’?
(TAFKAS FC PLC?)
Although, on reflection, they are actually more ‘Michael Jackson’ than ‘Prince’ in point of fact!
Sam says:
June 26, 2013 at 12:34 am
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Charlotte Fakeovers @CharlotteFakes 22m
Duff and Phelps, are you sitting comfortably? Mark Daly provides a fine report here frmo October 2012. (cont) http://tl.gd/n_1rl17m9
Charlotte Fakeovers @CharlotteFakes
25th June 2013 from TwitLonger
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Duff and Phelps, are you sitting comfortably?
Mark Daly provides a fine report here frmo October 2012.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-20090751
David Grier appears to be worried that the Duff and Phelps role in the takeover could be exposed further. A statement issued by Craig Whyte would be considered very helpful and take the heat away from D&P.
A statement was drafted, and as the BBC reported, sent by a Ted Smith to Craig Whyte.
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From: Ted Smith
Date: 1 June 2012
Subject: CW statement
To: Craig Whyte
I am happy to see that the CVA proposals put forward by the administrators are progressing and I hope creditors accept them and the club can exit administration.I want to make it clear again that I did not want to see Rangers fail in any way. There were serious financial problems at the club and if the club had to go into administration then it should be for as short a time as possible and the best way for the Club to move on from that is through CVA.
I am glad that the bid has been accepted offers good prospects for the Club to move forward and I always made clear that I would not stand in the way of a bid that was good for the club.
I am sorry to see all the controversy over the funding arrangements with Ticketus raked up again recently.
At the time, it seemed to be an appropriate way to proceed and would deliver cash to the Club and i acted with professional advice in making those arrangements. That advice did not come from MCR and no-one from that firm had knowledge of the full Ticketus arrangements at the time of the acquisition of the Club.
It would be in best interests of all at the Club if the CVA goes through and Rangers can move on. I wish the Club the best.
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The statement was never released by Craig. It can be interpreted that the primary aim of the email was to protect the reputation of MCR, since swallowed up by Duff and Phelps.
Ted Smith is not a name known to Craig (or his aliases).
I’ve since reviewed this particular email. The header information, not visible by default in most email programs, highlights the origins of the sender.
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X-Originating-IP: [38.98.178.150]
From: Ted Smith
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Performing a whois lookup for the IP address returns the following info:
http://tinyurl.com/emailOrigin
Now for the shocking news:
What we appear to have uncovered is that Duff and Phelps, the Administrators of Rangers, sending via an unknown alias, a statement to be issued by Craig Whyte which has the primary purpose of backing Duff and Phelps role in the administration.
It all seems rather perverse and could be seen to reek of desperation.
Why did the Administrators feel the need to do this?
Have they compromised themselves in any way?
For the record, it is my absolute belief that David Grier and MCR knew the source of funding prior to the takeover. Duff and Phelps seek comfort in that there is no audit trail. Sadly this will return to haunt them and of course deliver the proverbial boot up the arse that they have always feared to be coming.
Perhaps BDO will add Duff and Phelps to the list of parties responsible for the losses incurred at RFC and raise a suitable action against them. For if they don’t, then the shareholders and creditors should consider taking that action.
IP Information for 38.98.178.150
IP Location: United States United States Darien Duff & Phelps
ASN: United States AS174 COGENT Cogent/PSI (registered May 16, 1996)
IP Address: 38.98.178.150 [Whois] [Reverse-Ip] [Ping] [DNS Lookup] [Traceroute]
Whois Server whois.arin.net
Cortes says:
June 26, 2013 at 12:41 am
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Guidi is an odd one also, Slimshady, perhaps reflecting editorial bias and leaving Shug MacDonald and Ronnie Cully as the token tims?
Glenn Gibbons: wield that pen/tickle that keyboard again, please…
newtz says:
June 26, 2013 at 12:44 am
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Sam says:
June 26, 2013 at 12:34 am
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@AlexTomo …. this might be the break you need …. if CW will agree to work with you on it
I’m sure though that CW will want to control the stuff that AT releases (If ever happens … )
Might just be worth it though ….. the rest will follow in good time !
TallBoy Poppy (@TallBoyPoppy) says:
June 26, 2013 at 1:11 am
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Sam says:
June 26, 2013 at 12:34 am
David Murray > Donald Muir > David Grier > Craig Whyte. Time to review the available links and time-lines.
Sam says:
June 26, 2013 at 1:15 am
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Rangers administrators named ‘UK Corporate Restructuring Advisor of the Year’
By Scott McCulloch
Jun 27 2012
Finance magazine ACQ has named Rangers’ administrators Duff & Phelps UK Corporate Restructuring Advisor of the Year.
ACQ Finance Magazine Global Awards 2012 said the award “recognises Duff & Phelps as the UK’s leading Corporate Restructuring Advisor”.
Duff & Phelps was also named the Turnaround and Restructuring Advisory Firm of the Year UK and Debt Advisory Firm of the Year UK for the second year running at last night’s ACQ Global Awards.
“It is a real achievement for us to be recognised, not only locally, but also on a global scale by our peers, and one in which our entire team can take great pride”.
Clark was a co-founder of Manchester head quartered insolvency firm MCR until it was bought out by Duff & Phelps last October.
Craig Whyte’s takeover of Rangers is also now the subject of a criminal investigation, and Duff & Phelps senior partner David Grier was an advisor to Whyte before, during and after the deal was concluded.
Grier has denied the allegation, and has stated he only knew of Ticketus’ relationship with Rangers in their previous involvement with the club under the ownership of Murray.
Sam says:
June 26, 2013 at 1:47 am
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TallBoy Poppy (@TallBoyPoppy) says:
June 26, 2013 at 3:04 am
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The Lloyds meeting, in January 2010, with the usual suspects in attendance. Everybody and their dog knew where the funding was coming from:
http://www.scribd.com/doc/142101511/Quantum
And why did Clark, Whitehouse and Grier meet (-S)DM and Mike McGill in Murray’s Charlotte Square office in late February 2012?
TallBoy Poppy (@TallBoyPoppy) says:
June 26, 2013 at 3:14 am
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Correction: That, of course should read “The Lloyds meeting, in January 2011″ not 2010. Apologies.
The Quantum e-mail (as I read it) is not so much a “will Ticketus give us the money?” but more “Can we get them to give us all of it, instead of only most of it, with some folding walking-about money thrown in?
StevieBC says:
June 26, 2013 at 3:28 am
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So, Darrell King is now a florist you say… ?
Well he’s definitely not coming out of this smelling of roses!
Thankyou very much…
Exiled Celt says:
June 26, 2013 at 4:02 am
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Very interesting Twitter conversation…..
StevenD StevenD @stevendoyle75 4h
@CharlotteFakes has the media silence suprised you ?
Bartinho Bartinho @BartinhoBaroldo 4h
@stevendoyle75 @CharlotteFakes What if CF were from the media?
John MacLean John MacLean @JohnMcLean_HS67 4h
@BartinhoBaroldo
Let’s be honest … it shouldn’t matter. Tye story is right there. Docs are not fake.@stevendoyle75 @CharlotteFakes
waitinfurrapolis waitinfurrapolis @corsica1968 4h
@JohnMcLean_HS67 @BartinhoBaroldo @stevendoyle75 @CharlotteFakes What I’ve seen is defo not fake; matches other stuff I’ve been given 100%.
John MacLean John MacLean @JohnMcLean_HS67 4h
@corsica1968 exactly! The story could be: “Whistleblower rocks Scottish football to the … @BartinhoBaroldo @stevendoyle75 @CharlotteFakes
waitinfurrapolis waitinfurrapolis@corsica1968 @JohnMcLean_HS67 @BartinhoBaroldo @stevendoyle75 @CharlotteFakes Summit held in 4/12 w/ reps from Scot/UK govt, SFA, HMRC, SPL, plod; why?
John MacLean John MacLean @JohnMcLean_HS67 4h
@corsica1968 i would not know the answer to that one. @BartinhoBaroldo @stevendoyle75 @CharlotteFakes
waitinfurrapolis waitinfurrapolis @corsica1968 4h
@JohnMcLean_HS67 @BartinhoBaroldo @stevendoyle75 @CharlotteFakes Me neither because its been denied it happened but I know it happened.
Helikaon Helikaon @HelikaonHilkiah 4h
@corsica1968 @JohnMcLean_HS67 @BartinhoBaroldo @stevendoyle75 @CharlotteFakes “The big hoose must stiy open, and thats the boatum line”
Hugh Lavery Hugh Lavery @hugelavvy 3h
@corsica1968 @johnmclean_hs67 @bartinhobaroldo @stevendoyle75 @charlottefakes i would imagine the words manchester and riots were used a lot
waitinfurrapolis waitinfurrapolis @corsica1968 3h
@HelikaonHilkiah @JohnMcLean_HS67 @BartinhoBaroldo @stevendoyle75 @CharlotteFakes Chuck in public disorder & we have a winner.
waitinfurrapolis waitinfurrapolis @corsica1968 3h
@hugelavvy @JohnMcLean_HS67 @BartinhoBaroldo @stevendoyle75 @CharlotteFakes ya think so?
waitinfurrapolis waitinfurrapolis @corsica1968 3h
@JohnMcLean_HS67 @BartinhoBaroldo @stevendoyle75 @CharlotteFakes Why did Regan get bollocking for talking about “public disorder”?
Hugh Lavery Hugh Lavery @hugelavvy 3h
@corsica1968 @johnmclean_hs67 @bartinhobaroldo @stevendoyle75 @charlottefakes you dont need to be darrell king to work that one out
Hugh Lavery Hugh Lavery @hugelavvy 3h
@corsica1968 @johnmclean_hs67 @bartinhobaroldo @stevendoyle75 @charlottefakes remember the tape where d&p talk about worst scenario….
Hugh Lavery Hugh Lavery @hugelavvy 3h
@corsica1968 @johnmclean_hs67 @bartinhobaroldo @charlottefakes …we phone scottish government..they obviously had prior conversations
waitinfurrapolis waitinfurrapolis @corsica1968 3h
@hugelavvy @JohnMcLean_HS67 @BartinhoBaroldo @CharlotteFakes #NotParanoidEnough Thats all I’m saying…goodnight zzzzzz
Bugsy Malone Bugsy Malone @Bugsymaloned 3h
@corsica1968 @JohnMcLean_HS67 @BartinhoBaroldo @stevendoyle75 @CharlotteFakes Is ‘civil unrest’ just a convenient excuse? Or more 2 it?
waitinfurrapolis waitinfurrapolis @corsica1968 3h
@Bugsymaloned @JohnMcLean_HS67 @BartinhoBaroldo @stevendoyle75 @CharlotteFakes “credible threat”
upthehoops says:
June 26, 2013 at 7:22 am
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StevieBC says:
June 26, 2013 at 3:28 am
So, Darrell King is now a florist you say… ?
Well he’s definitely not coming out of this smelling of roses!
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He does appear bombproof mind you, just like everyone else Charlotte exposes. What WOULD need to be exposed for the media to actually comment? Whether we like it or not, while the MSM remain silent, these people are untouchable.
Carfins Finest. says:
June 26, 2013 at 7:51 am
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So the Record are the first MSM source to run with stuff from @CharlotteFakes hopefully it all comes out now!!!
Exiled Celt says:
June 26, 2013 at 7:59 am
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At last – CF tapes make it in the MSM
http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/rangers-takeover-tapes-reveal-secret-1997376
Exiled Celt says:
June 26, 2013 at 8:06 am
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For those who don’t want to give the DR a hit…..
http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/rangers-takeover-tapes-reveal-secret-1997376
Rangers takeover tapes reveal secret talks between Ibrox money men on selling shares to fraudster on Interpol’s most-wanted list
26 Jun 2013 06:53
FINANCE chief Brian Stockbridge is heard on the recordings from last summer talking to disgraced former owner Craig Whyte and axed commercial director Imran Ahmad about selling £5m worth of shares to Rafat Rizvi – who is wanted for “corruption, money laundering and banking crime” according to Interpol.
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RANGERS’ finance chief Brian Stockbridge discussed selling £5million of shares in the club to a convicted fraudster on Interpol’s most wanted list.
Stockbridge is heard on tape talking to former Rangers owner Craig Whyte and the club’s axed commercial director Imran Ahmad about a possible cash injection from Rafat Rizvi, who is being pursued by police.
Interpol’s website carries a red notice international alert stating that Rizvi, 52, is wanted for “corruption, money laundering and banking crime” over his alleged role in the collapse of a bank in Indonesia.
The alert asks anyone with any information about his whereabouts or activities to contact police.
Last night, the Rangers Supporters Trust said the revelation that Rizvi was involved in talks was “highly disturbing”.
They called for fans to be told who has invested in Rangers and said: “We need to ensure the club have been cleansed of unwanted influences.”
Rangers insist Rizvi has made no investment in the club – but the fact that someone on Interpol’s wanted list was even discussed has prompted concern among fans.
The Record has listened to two hours of recordings that have been leaked on to the internet, where they are openly available to be heard.
During the taped discussions, Stockbridge and Ahmad thrash out a multi-million pound deal in London with shamed former owner Whyte.
The recorded meeting – which took place before the attempt to save Rangers from liquidation last summer – appears to show that Rizvi’s cash was going to be used to help finance Charles Green’s ultimately successful Ibrox takeover. Green has subsequently left the club.
At one point, Ahmad brags: “At the moment, what I’ve taken so far is actually £5.5million from Rafat now.”
At the time, Stockbridge was being lined up as the next man in charge of Rangers’ finances. The 39-year-old, who was appointed Rangers’ finance director in June last year, says on the tape that Rizvi is a “nice guy”.
He is also heard discussing Rizvi’s previous business dealings.
Speaking about a firm Rizvi was involved with, Stockbridge says: “Rafat was CEO of the company. He then had his troubles … Rafat sort of stepped down.”
The tape also includes discussion, involving Stockbridge, about the damage it might do to Rangers if Rizvi’s involvement was made public.
Stockbridge says: “How widely is it known? Rafat’s name is not mentioned anywhere, is it?”
Ahmad replies: “No, it is.” Stockbridge says: “You could get a headline saying, you know, ‘Convicted…’”
Ahmad then says: “In Indonesia it is like being convicted of something
in Pakistan. You know, he may not necessarily be guilty.
“He’s not nicked £600million. When we go out for lunches with him, we know. If someone has nicked £600million, they wouldn’t struggle to pick up lunch.”
Stockbridge says: “We don’t need this coming out. This is just…”
But Ahmad assures Stockbridge “there’s no paper trails” linking Rizvi to Rangers and adds: “There’s no connection.”
Stockbridge says: “If someone starts digging in there…”
But Ahmad interrupts and repeats: “There’s no connection. Charles is going to have to decide to say what he says. I’m not going to coach him. Personally, I’d tell the truth. Yeah, you know, I’ve worked with Rafat in the past, I’ve never acted for him while he was CEO but the company I took on he had to step down from as CEO because he was in disgrace.”
Stockbridge then asks Ahmad how to deal with any possible questions from the media about Rizvi’s
involvement behind the scenes.
He asks: “What happens if someone asks if he’s involved in this deal?” Ahmad replies: “No. An absolute straight no.”
The meeting ends with Whyte agreeing to sell control to the Green/Ahmad consortium in a deal which would have seen him pocket up to £5million worth of shares.
Green has subsequently insisted he was stringing Whyte along so he could get his shares — a plan he
says changed when the club were liquidated and Whyte’s shares
were no longer needed.
In the recordings, Ahmad claims Rizvi “and his mates” were prepared to plough about £5million into the deal to buy Rangers after the club had been wrecked by Whyte.
It is agreed by all three that Rizvi’s identity must remain confidential. Ahmad says to Whyte: “Let’s just say an association with you is much better than an association with Rafat.”
Rizvi features on Interpol’s wanted persons list under the name Ali Rafat Rizvi – and has done since 2009.
He was sentenced, in absentia, to a 15-year jail term in Indonesia for allegedly stealing from Bank Century, in which he was a shareholder.
But Rizvi, a UK national who was born in Pakistan, has been able to live as a free man in London and Singapore as there is no extradition treaty with Indonesia.
Rizvi insists he is innocent and has claimed the charges are trumped up and politically motivated.
He had previous business links with Ahmad and Stockbridge dating back to when the pair worked for London finance firm Allenby Capital.
He is also a friend and business partner of Green, who took his place on the board of Mongolia-based company Nova Resources.
During the discussions, Whyte asks Ahmad: “So Charles and Rafat are closer than you and Rafat?” Ahmad replies: “I’d say the relationship is equal.”
Ahmad also insists that both he and Stockbridge will team up behind the scenes at Ibrox to act in Whyte’s interests. He says: “You should regard us as your reps. We’ll be totally dispassionate. No loyalties to Charles or Rafat.”
Stockbridge says of Rizvi: “He’s a nice guy. I speak to him but I wouldn’t do a deal with him.”
And Ahmad adds: “We’ll take his money but that’s it.”
He then claims to have already banked £5.5million from Rizvi.
Whyte asks: “Is that £5.5million?”
Ahmad continues: “It’s not all from him. Five from Rafat and his mates. I think what Rafat’s done is taken £50,000 of cheap shares himself and he’s loaded his mates with £4.5million worth of expensive shares – because you know there were two classes (of shares)?”
Whyte and Ahmad then thrash out the terms of their own agreement. Ahmad says to Whyte: “I’d actually rather you have a controlling stake in it. Rather than the Rafat and f****** Charles Green show.”
Whyte says: “Yeah, exactly. That was always the intention. Let’s face it, we might need to ditch them at some point.”
Ahmad laughs and agrees: “We definitely need to ditch them.”
Later, Whyte stresses the need for secrecy about his own involvement and that of Rizvi.
He says: “I’m just thinking if things come out, if Rafat’s name comes up or if my involvement comes out…”
Ahmad replies: “I’ll just say it’s absolutely nothing to do with me, speak to Charles (laughs all round). Charles has got a lot more association with him than me in terms of he’s actually bought a company with Rafat.”
Ahmad later predicts – accurately, as it turned out – that Green will not last a year in the role of chief executive.
He says: “Charles will f*** himself. He won’t be able to help himself. He’ll be like a kid in a candy shop. He’ll get absolutely burnt alive there.”
The group then go on to discuss cashing in on the club’s best players – citing the sale of Nikica Jelavic to Everton for £5million.
Whyte claims he had little choice but to cash in on the Croat.
He says: “The problem with Jelavic was, everybody was annoyed that we sold him but he basically refused to play. He downed tools.”
Whyte adds of Gers manager Ally McCoist: “McCoist said, ‘Just sell him’. McCoist is useless. McCoist is f****** useless…”
Stockbridge has declined to make any on-the-record comments about the recordings and the issues they raise. Rangers insist Stockbridge met Whyte only on one
occasion and that there are no links between the pair.
An Ibrox spokesman said last night: “An independent forensic inquiry has been conducted inside Ibrox and the club and management have been cleared to carry on with their business.”
The spokesman added: “Brian Stockbridge has not had and does not have connections to Rafat Rizvi.”
Mark Dingwall, of the Rangers Supporters Trust, said last night: “Although both Charles Green and Imran Ahmad claimed they were only playing Craig Whyte along in order to obtain his shares, the content of the tapes of discussions led by Ahmad are highly disturbing, particularly with regard to the proposed involvement of Whyte and Rizvi.
“As Ally McCoist has said, we need to ensure the club has been cleansed of unwanted influences.
“The identities of the beneficial
shareholders – in some cases hidden behind lawyers offices or holding companies around the world – have been disclosed to the SFA and we see no reason why Stewart Regan knows who owns parts of Rangers yet the fans who fund the club are kept in the dark.”
Danish Pastry says:
June 26, 2013 at 8:15 am
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“waitinfurrapolis waitinfurrapolis@corsica1968 @JohnMcLean_HS67 @BartinhoBaroldo @stevendoyle75 @CharlotteFakes
Summit held in 4/12 w/ reps from Scot/UK govt, SFA, HMRC, SPL, plod; why?”
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Hadn’t heard of that one Exiled. I wonder who organised said summit? Maybe someone took all the talk of ‘Armageddon’ the wrong way? Perhaps that Ted Smith was involved?
I noticed Jane Lewis was getting some stick on twitter too. Her defence for the non-mention of CF also seems to be the source of the material, which I suppose they must imagine is from hacking of some kind. Although all the media crowd seem to say is, ‘We won’t tell you, and we won’t tell you why we won’t tell you because we know where it came from, and we’re not saying.’
On the lighter side, the opening words of that grand meeting may have been: “Summit’s up doon Govan.”
I’ll get ma simmit.
slimshady61 says:
June 26, 2013 at 8:33 am
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Exiled Celt says:
June 26, 2013 at 8:06 am
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EC, I love the “independent forensic inquiry has been conducted…inside Ibrox” quote – who the hell is independent inside Ibrox?
That’s a phrase worthy of Hugh Keevins
Danish Pastry says:
June 26, 2013 at 8:35 am
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June 26, 2013 at 8:06 am
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Amazing. Took some time for them to catch up. But you get a wee bit suspicious about timing. Cue Stockbridge exit stage left?
iamacant says:
June 26, 2013 at 8:45 am
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24. Exiled Celt says:
June 26, 2013 at 8:06 am
An Ibrox spokesman said last night: “An independent forensic inquiry has been conducted inside Ibrox and the club and management have been cleared to carry on with their business.”
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The spokesman wouldn’t be JT by any chance? Did he tell the truth at the forensic enquiry? The MSM have known this story and its murky background for months and months so what did JT divulge to Pinsett Mason?
rantinrobin says:
June 26, 2013 at 8:51 am
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Regardless of the motives,it is significant that DR legal advice has permitted coverage of the tape.a precedent has now been set and it will be interesting to see whether the floodgates will now open.
neepheid says:
June 26, 2013 at 8:58 am
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“The Record has listened to two hours of recordings that have been leaked on to the internet, where they are openly available to be heard.”
That’s a pretty obvious way around any legal problems regarding the source of the stuff. Any newspaper could have taken that line with any of Charlotte’s stuff from day one in my opinion. So why the weeks of total silence from the MSM? All the stuff is in the public domain- so what was the problem?
Althetim says:
June 26, 2013 at 9:00 am
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From the Daily Rectum article:
“Green has subsequently insisted he was stringing Whyte along so he could get his shares — a plan he
says changed when the club were liquidated and Whyte’s shares
were no longer needed.”
The CLUB were liquidated?
Really?
Here I was thinking it was com……………..oh, never mind………..
rantinrobin says:
June 26, 2013 at 9:11 am
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Alex Thomson is still working through the problem of release with regard to the story.
The question coming to mind would be ‘If the DR can publish why can’t Channel 4?’
The answer is very probably,for a local newspaper to go with the story is one thing,but for a UK wide network with an award winning reputation is another.
We shall see.
Matteo Galy says:
June 26, 2013 at 9:24 am
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So the Daily Record have broken ranks and actually published some of the CF material. Not only that, they’ve deviated from the usual line of the company being liquidated and saying, as we’ve known all along, that it was the club.
Interesting!
twopanda says:
June 26, 2013 at 9:35 am
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Exiled Celt says:
June 26, 2013 at 8:06 am
Record online version changed?
neepheid says:
June 26, 2013 at 9:43 am
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Is this story in the print version of the Record this morning? I’m abroad, by the way, not just too lazy to walk to the shops!
Danish Pastry says:
June 26, 2013 at 9:46 am
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Matteo Galy says:
June 26, 2013 at 9:24 am
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So the Daily Record have broken ranks and actually published some of the CF material. Not only that, they’ve deviated from the usual line of the company being liquidated and saying, as we’ve known all along, that it was the club.
Interesting!
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They obviously needed a headline after being taunted by The Sun about inaccurate reporting (of CO renummeration). How humiliating is for your tabloid when The Sun takes the high moral ground against you as a champion of factual accuracy!
PS Althetim The Daily Rectum cleansing the enemas of Rangers?
(I’ll get ma Syrup of Figs)
arabest1 says:
June 26, 2013 at 9:53 am
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Sam says:
June 26, 2013 at 1:15 am
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Rangers administrators named ‘UK Corporate Restructuring Advisor of the Year’
By Scott McCulloch
Jun 27 2012
Finance magazine ACQ has named Rangers’ administrators Duff & Phelps UK Corporate Restructuring Advisor of the Year.
ACQ Finance Magazine Global Awards 2012 said the award “recognises Duff & Phelps as the UK’s leading Corporate Restructuring Advisor”.
Duff & Phelps was also named the Turnaround and Restructuring Advisory Firm of the Year UK and Debt Advisory Firm of the Year UK for the second year running at last night’s ACQ Global Awards.
“It is a real achievement for us to be recognised, not only locally, but also on a global scale by our peers, and one in which our entire team can take great pride”.
Clark was a co-founder of Manchester head quartered insolvency firm MCR until it was bought out by Duff & Phelps last October.
Craig Whyte’s takeover of Rangers is also now the subject of a criminal investigation, and Duff & Phelps senior partner David Grier was an advisor to Whyte before, during and after the deal was concluded.
Grier has denied the allegation, and has stated he only knew of Ticketus’ relationship with Rangers in their previous involvement with the club under the ownership of Murray.
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Satire dies yet again?……………….or do the sharks of capitalism rejoice at the robbing of creditors, shareholders and most especially the evil hector?
Captain Haddock says:
June 26, 2013 at 10:14 am
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The DR breaking ranks strikes me that they’ve made a judgement that it’s maybe better to do something now to try to stop falling sales rather then bet that everyone tainted by the conspiracies keeps quiet indefinitely. Money talks louder than a code of silence! (No honour amongst thieves and all that).
Will they all try to show themselves in the best possible light now? Outing the “bad guys” to the Bears might keep their circulation up. Unfortunately all there is in the big hoose are the bad guys, and if by taking the high ground now means a few lowly sports reporters get fed to the wolves as scapegoats then so be it.
We here are now getting used to the type of stuff the DR quoted. not so sure the wider population will handle this well. It also leaves the financial authorities with fewer places to hide. As for the SFA though, no amount of public scandal will rock the boat. Its still down to those pesky fans to pressure their own clubs.
it could start to get very interesting again.
ForresDee says:
June 26, 2013 at 10:25 am
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Ref DR piece this morning, phil mac tweeted about a stockbridge story earlier this week.
I reckon a deal has been done to use the CF stuff instead of this rumoured story in order to move stockbridge on, leaving ‘rangers men’ in charge without having to pay a penny.
Castofthousands says:
June 26, 2013 at 10:26 am
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Captain Haddock says:
June 26, 2013 at 10:14 am
“it could start to get very interesting again.”
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It will be interesting to see how this is spun. There is the possibility it will be played with a straight bat but it would be naive to assume this.
The story is so complex that TSFM is one of the few places that has a grip on most of the threads of the narrative. We just need to keep the conversation going and perhaps (washing my mouth out), comment on MSM content to highlight any factual innaccuracies.
Then, finally, as another poster begged yesterday, attention might be brought to bear on other aspects of Scottish Football.
All good things come to those that wait.
ecobhoy says:
June 26, 2013 at 10:34 am
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rantinrobin says:
June 26, 2013 at 9:11 am
Alex Thomson is still working through the problem of release with regard to the story.
The question coming to mind would be ‘If the DR can publish why can’t Channel 4?’
The answer is very probably,for a local newspaper to go with the story is one thing,but for a UK wide network with an award winning reputation is another. We shall see.
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As I have said from the start there was absolutely nothing stopping the SMSM from using the CF material. Now the DR have used it. No doubt they’ve had a nod and a wink from Ibrox that they won’t be making a fuss because it looks as though the ‘Dignity’ faction has won the Board Room brawl and, if so, I reckon Stockbridge is going anyway so this story is to put the skids under him.
So it might be a one-off use of CF but all the rest of the SMSM now look stupid for not running anything so they might want to catch-up.
The story today about D&P and the email tracked back to America would be a belter of a tale especially with the award that has just been won.
Btw you have to remember that the DR isn’t just a local paper but part of the Mirror Group so it’s a bit further up the pecking order. This is a serious story with a serious ‘warning’ from the lawyers and I think permission for the go-ahead would have come from London and not Glasgow.
Allyjambo says:
June 26, 2013 at 10:41 am
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I wonder what has made the DR break ranks and print this damning report. Could it be that they are now satisfied that it can be considered as being under a ‘previous regime’ and so not all that damaging to TRFC? Do they know that Stockbridge is on his way out, or wanted out by the ‘real’ Rangers men? Are they, in some way, helping TRFC? Or is it a case that we, and all internet bampots, have scored another goal, and the DR’s circulation needs a boost? Or is it just that Media House, who may have more power at the DR than we are aware of, have been kicked out of Ibrox? It could be one, or all, of these possibilities, or something completely different, but one thing’s for sure, it’s got nothing to do with a change of attitude and a desire to do proper, forensic, reporting, and will probably be the one and only effort at real journalism we see for a while from that rag, though I hope I’m wrong.
Bawsman says:
June 26, 2013 at 10:43 am
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A signal (white smoke ) has been sent from the Big Hoos. It would appear the direction in which to steer the Loyal has been given.
It had to happen that someone would break ranks and post CF content.
The 64 million dollar question is – now that the genie has been let out of the bottle, is the stranglehold on the media so all encompassing that it Jack can control the flow,
Popcorn for a wee while with a jelly and ice cream order a possibility in the medium term.
ecobhoy says:
June 26, 2013 at 10:44 am
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It was interesting to see Mark Dingwall’s quote in the DR saying the SFA were given the identity of the beneficial shareholders. I’m not sure that is the case and I tried to find out a year ago what they were told. I was convinced all they got was the lawyers or administrators of the various overseas trusts and investment vehicles.
Green made a great play on STV I think it was of saying that the full info had been provided and that might be what Dingwall is referring to but it was classic Green. You think you know what he’s saying but the more times you listen the more that you realise he isn’t actually saying what you think he is.
He was a master at the double-speak – still the SFA one would think should be able to give the shareholders a clean bill of health because they should know who they are – shouldn’t they?
The one that has always interested me is Blue Pitch Holdings and
Allyjambo says:
June 26, 2013 at 10:47 am
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ecobhoy says:
June 26, 2013 at 10:34 am
‘Btw you have to remember that the DR isn’t just a local paper but part of the Mirror Group so it’s a bit further up the pecking order. This is a serious story with a serious ‘warning’ from the lawyers and I think permission for the go-ahead would have come from London and not Glasgow.’
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I wonder if rather than ‘permission’ it might have been an order!
Bawsman says:
June 26, 2013 at 10:57 am
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Maybe Stuart Cosgrove could now pass comment on the CF content released thus far?
neepheid says:
June 26, 2013 at 10:59 am
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ecobhoy says:
June 26, 2013 at 10:44 am
It was interesting to see Mark Dingwall’s quote in the DR saying the SFA were given the identity of the beneficial shareholders. I’m not sure that is the case and I tried to find out a year ago what they were told. I was convinced all they got was the lawyers or administrators of the various overseas trusts and investment vehicles.
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I agree. The shadowy individuals who are the real shareholders haven’t gone to all the trouble and expense of setting up anonymous entities in BVI or Leichtenstein, just to have Green hand over their names and addresses to the SFA. My personal view has always been that Sir David Murray is lurking behind some of these offshore companies. No evidence, just a gut feeling. But whoever it is, I’m as sure as I can be that the SFA don’t have the real names.
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June 26, 2013 at 10:59 am
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ecobhoy says:
June 26, 2013 at 10:34 am
‘Btw you have to remember that the DR isn’t just a local paper but part of the Mirror Group so it’s a bit further up the pecking order. This is a serious story with a serious ‘warning’ from the lawyers and I think permission for the go-ahead would have come from London and not Glasgow.’
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I wonder if rather than ‘permission’ it might have been an order!
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No the decision to run would have been made in Glasgow but it would have been run past London because of the CF issue.
London historically wants no part in the Rangers/Celtic issue – they just don’t want to know and I can’t think of anything that that would have interested them enough to get involved and twist Glasgow’s arm.
Has anyone seen the ‘Eye’ this week as if there’s anything in there that might have caught attention in London.
Exiled Celt says:
June 26, 2013 at 11:08 am
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twopanda says:
June 26, 2013 at 9:35 am
Exiled Celt says:
June 26, 2013 at 8:06 am
Record online version changed?
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No – the reason I did the later post was that at 7:59 I only put the link – then thought maybe folks don’t want to give hits to the DR site so would post the contents as well – if you see the time of the article (26 Jun 2013 06:53) it is still same. Apologies if I confused anyone
ForresDee says:
June 26, 2013 at 11:10 am
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I’m starting to think that todays CF appearance in the DR is maybe a primer for bigger revelations later this or next week. Stockbridge is going.
However, the dam on CF stuff in general is holding strong and I expect that to continue, this is stage-managed to the hilt. It will make denial of the rest of the material harder for the bears, although by no means impossible.
ecobhoy says:
June 26, 2013 at 11:10 am
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neepheid says:
June 26, 2013 at 10:59 am
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On another issue I wondered if you had noticed the post I did about the SFL granting a ‘conditional membership’ to Rangers before the SFA granted their’s? I’m not wanting to re-open the debate but I thought it would interest you. I would assume that both of us would probably still have the same stance with regard to the SFL’s decision as we did with the SFA one as to whether they could create a ‘conditional’ membership or not within their respective rule books.
There are a helluva lot of unknown shareholders of RIFC Plc and a lot are offshore. I wonder what they are thinking now that Green and Ahmad have gone and IMO Stockbridge is tetering on the edge given the DR artticle.
And then there’s Mather – is the cross being prepared for him the fact that McCoist is hiring players like there’s no tomorrow and Mather is on public record as saying he’ll back Ally all the way financially to get the players he wants. There’s a lot of rumbling on Rangers fan sites about the money being spent on these players which a lot of Bears think is OTT for the division.
ecobhoy says:
June 26, 2013 at 11:16 am
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ForresDee says:
June 26, 2013 at 11:10 am
I’m starting to think that todays CF appearance in the DR is maybe a primer for bigger revelations later this or next week. Stockbridge is going.
However, the dam on CF stuff in general is holding strong and I expect that to continue, this is stage-managed to the hilt. It will make denial of the rest of the material harder for the bears, although by no means impossible.
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Well a couple of posters have been pointing to the AIM accounts which are ‘overdue’ and as Stockbridge is FD then he is responsible for them. I think the shocker that could be in those accounts is just how much of the flotation capital has been eaten up in day-to-day running exes.
Again just speculating they would be worried if that figure is much south of £10 million because I reckon that Bears might start to ponder about buying STs and only buy on a week to week basis. So it would suit to delay the accounts if there is bad news in them and try and punt as many STs as possible,
ForresDee says:
June 26, 2013 at 11:30 am
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ecobhoy says:
June 26, 2013 at 11:16 am
It’s all building up into a perfect storm.
Although, more likely, like everything else it’ll be contained in a tea cup!
paulmac2 says:
June 26, 2013 at 11:52 am
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Althetim says:
June 26, 2013 at 9:00 am
From the Daily Rectum article:
“Green has subsequently insisted he was stringing Whyte along so he could get his shares — a plan he
says changed when the club were liquidated and Whyte’s shares
were no longer needed.”
The CLUB were liquidated?
Really?
Here I was thinking it was com……………..oh, never mind………..
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To be fair JAMES TRAYNOR the PR man at THE rangers fc Limited….stated clearly and with certainty that the club created in 1872 had ceased to exist when the CVA was rejected and that the 140 of History had gone..as the club had now been liquidated…
Matteo Galy says:
June 26, 2013 at 12:24 pm
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paulmac2 says:
June 26, 2013 at 11:52 am
Traynor wasn’t the only one who stated that liquidation meant the end of the club, every media outlet was saying the same thing, as were those inside Ibrox.
It was only when it actually came to pass that the holding company myth was invented, by Green to sell season tickets for his new club and the media ran with it to sell papers.
nowoldandgrumpy says:
June 26, 2013 at 12:30 pm
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Seems AT is not carried away by the CF stuff in the Daily Ranger, not a game changer he says.
czm @czm3 16h
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@alextomo @MTHForum @BartinhoBaroldo I understand Daily Record published story using @CharlotteFakes material today – is this game changer?
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@czm3 @MTHForum @BartinhoBaroldo @CharlotteFakes No – it’s a DR story apparently bsed on CF tapes with lawyers’ pawprints all over it
Tommy says:
June 26, 2013 at 12:41 pm
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Mark Dingwall, of the Rangers Supporters Trust, said last night: “……. The identities of the beneficial shareholders – in some cases hidden behind lawyers offices or holding companies around the world – have been disclosed to the SFA and we see no reason why Stewart Regan knows who owns parts of Rangers yet the fans who fund the club are kept in the dark.”
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Perhaps Dingwall is being clever here. Instead of stating his confidence in the SFA is he making a veiled threat against Regan & Co? If the SFA merely have the particulars of the trusts and investment companies and have done nothing to demand the details of the actual shareholders themselves, then The Rangers fans will hold it responsible should there be impending skulduggery over the shares. Similarly, if the SFA know the identities of the beneficial persons behind these trusts, and any of them are deemed to be undesirable, then all hell will break loose with the Follow Follow faction should they be exposed.
manandboy says:
June 26, 2013 at 1:03 pm
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DR and CF
Q. So what ?
A. It’s a nothing story. T’Rangers are no longer a real target. Their reputation is ruined beyond recovery. They are a cheap, cheating, lying, delusional, grubby little club with a joke of a team, a joke of a manager and a joke of a Board. What else is to take down.
The real stories are in the pipeline and won’t be rushed, viz. ownership of Ibrox, MP and the car park; the UTT; that other grubby outfit, the SFA; and when will T’Gers run out of money again and begin another cycle of cheating, theft and collusion with the SFA – if they haven’t started already.
Then again, maybe I’ve missed something.
But, no worries, the best football website by far anywhere, TSFM, will fill in any spaces!
Charlotte Fakeovers says:
June 26, 2013 at 1:07 pm
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Althetim quoted a quote aroundabouts June 26, 2013 at 9:00 am
From the Daily Rectum article:
“Green has subsequently insisted he was stringing Whyte along so he could get his shares — a plan he
says changed when the club were liquidated and Whyte’s shares were no longer needed.”
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Let’s just blow that Charles Green claim to smithereens. Craig Whyte was always a key player in this game. His shares were absolutely vital to the end game. As part of the deal, Craig permitted Imran to vote by proxy on his behalf with matters relating to the Rangers name change to RFC 2012 plc.
Without that smokescreen, it may have been impossible to carry on with the ‘Rangers’ brand and the current reincarnations would most certainly not have been permitted to share a similar name to the organisation in administration.
It stank then, it still does.
aye anything to do with the Huns usually smells rancid…
Thanks everyone. Like many other posters, I really appreciate being part of such a supportive community.
niallo83
13:08 on 26 June, 2013
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Agree on all that.. Getting 3 quality players for £9m will be very difficult thou.
I cant understand why each player wont sign extension if club was willing to increase wages and promise them transfer in january or next summer.
I think we should be getting least £20m for both.
Not that I’m not proud of all CQNers,well apart from a couple:O)
voguepunter,
Beginnings are easy (once upon a time … ) as are endings (The End).
It’s that big bit in the middle that’s tricky.
Gordon J
I’ll wing it :o)
Tallybhoy .
Carlo Ancelotti .
Be interesting to see how he does at Real Madrid . Not known to be an easy environment . Heard a pundit on the radio opining that he might be too nice a guy for the job . Pundit backed that opinion with claims that Ancelotti had allowed Berlusconi to dictate formation and tactics .[ if true , he certainly isn’t the only one ! ].
Auguri !
Celtic_First
I am sorry but I am sworn to secrecy -omertà and all that.
HH!!
horsesheidinthebedCSC
Gordon_J
Excellent news. Avid reader here. Look forward to publication.
voguepunter,
Works for me. That’s the good thing about writing fiction: you really do just make it up as you go along.
SOUTH OF TUNIS
Sadly,it was when Silvio was dictating positions that he came undone….
Gordon j
Good luck with your book.
South of Tunis
Ancelotti was treated abysmally by the old lothario – but who hasn’t?!
I expect he will soon be picking the Milan team from his jail cell.
Carlo might also fancy Victor – what’s £25 million to them?!
Buona giornata!
HH!!
Whilst holidaying in Tenerife, Victor Wanyama rescued a scuba diving instructor, from drowning.
Proudbhoy,
Agreed we should be getting £20m for both but doubt we will.
You’re also right that we will struggle to get 3 quality players for £9m. But at the same time we got our best three players Forster, Hooper and Wanyama for £5.5m.
We’ve had an amazing strike rate with players since Lennon took over (with very little outlay). We’ve either been lucky or our scouts are actually that good.
I’m also looking forward to see if some of our new/ younger players improve next season. Obviously looking forward to seeing Van Dijk and Balde but I’m hoping for big things from players like Matthews, Forrest, Rogic and Watt.
Lots to look forward to hopefully:-)
voguepunter
13:16 on
26 June, 2013
Not that I’m not proud of all CQNers,well apart from a couple:O)
i demand to know their names.
swallymcstakebake.csc.
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Vaugeprinter..
If You want me to Poof Reed your Nook just ask..
Sammu
http://www.philmacgiollabhain.ie/a-legacy-issue-that-must-be-finally-dealt-with/#more-3756
Phil’s latest
Licensing issues for Rangers last (ever) season in Europe
Gordon J
im happy to support you by purchasing a copy
good luck
Carlo has family in portobello. Said al a italiano sounds like it could be on the riviera
The Token Tim,
Good to read that the catering is being addressed.
Paul.
it was a pleasure to meet you and Calum last night.
My son and I are delighted with the signed Seville top recently won in the CQN raffle.
It now has pride of place in his berdoom beside the shares and the limited edition print of Celtic Park signed by Billy McNeil.
Hail hail and keep up the good work
Lawrence
Van Hooijdonk goal the highlight of an entertaining day
Dundalk FC’s 2002 FAI Cup Final winner Stephen McGuinness and Celtic Legends’ Pierre Van Hooijdonk contest this ball in the Dundalk FC 2002 FAI Cup Winners v Glasgow Celtic FC Legends match at Oriel Park
TORRENTIAL rain failed to dampen the atmosphere at Oriel Park on Saturday as a healthy crowd turned out to see Dundalk’s 2002 FAI Cup wining team take on the Celtic Legends.
Those present were treated to an entertaining afternoon of football with the highlight coming from the boot of former Dutch international Pierre Van Hooijdonk who scored a sublime effort to put Parkhead heroes team one goal ahead in the first-half.
The Hoops deployed a three pronged Dutch attack in the form of Bobby Petta, Regi Blinker and Van Hooijdonk, the latter receiving a great reception from the crowd.
The 43-year-old striker almost gave them something to cheer as early as the 6th minute when he tried his luck with an audacious free-kick from the half-way line which just went off target.
Dundalk, with cup final goalscoring hero Garry Haylock partnering Martin Reilly in attack, went close in the 15th minute when Reilly saw an effort saved by Allen McKnight before Alan Stubbs cleared the loose ball off the line.
The Hoops threatened again when Petta sent in a cross from the left but Van Hooijdonk steered his header wide. Williams then had to get down to his right to turn Tommy Johnson’s drive around the post.
Van Hooijdonk looked as though he was still in peak condition and the big Dutchman got the only goal of an entertaining first-half when he chipped Williams with a sublime effort from 25-yards in the 25th minute.
Fellow Dutchman Regi Blinker should have doubled the lead soon after but Williams did well to deny him on two occasions before Reilly cracked the from 25-yards with a blockbuster that had McKnight beaten.
The second-half saw a raft of substitutes introduced with Haylock receiving a great ovation when he went off. Another former Dundalk legend, Tom McNulty, also made an appearance.
Dundalk, with David Hoey rolling back the years in midfield, were very much still in at this stage and Donal Broughan flashed a free-kick just wide of the post.
For Celtic, Tommy Johnson saw a harmless effort easily held by Williams and then Blinker saw a goal ruled out for offside.
Dundalk’s best chance of an equaliser came in the 63rd minute when Reilly burst through the Hoops back four but just as he was about to pull the trigger Alan Stubbs produced a fantastic last ditch tackle.
The visitors eventually scored a second when Brian O’Neil smashed an effort past Williams from close range in the 79th minute with the woodwork still rattling after a David Eliot drive.
Dundalk manager Des Denning sent on tricky attacker Ollie Brady hoping that his pace would help to retrieve the situation but the Hoops held on.
DUNDALK 2002: Steve Williams; John Whyte, Donal Broughan, Stephen McGuinness, David Crawley; David Hoey, Chris Lawless, Noel Melvin, Cormac McArdle; Martin Reilly, Garry Haylock. Subs used: David O’Leary, Peter Woods, Ollie Brady, Martin Gill, Tom McNulty, Chris Malone, Cormac Malone, Padraig Gollogley.
CELTIC LEGENDS: Alan McKnight, Tom Boyd, Rudi Vata, Alan Stubbs, David Elliott, Brian O’Neil, Joe Miller, Tommy Johnson, Bobby Petta, Pierre Van Hooijdonk, Regi Blinker. Subs used: Mick Clarke, Dermot McCaffrey, Martin Duffy, Fergal O’Hanlon.
Summa
‘Man in selling a Sevco
‘summer edition’ fanzine in an aggressive voice.
Sauchiehall St CSC
niallo83
13:28 on 26 June, 2013
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Scouts are excellant but very difficult to be that good and sign 2 quality replacements for around 6m again.
Think matthews is great player but im big lustig fan and despite adams performance at left back v barca lenny seems reluctant to play him there before izzy. Dunno how often he will play as lustig seems to be first choice when fit.
Hopefully we loan couple guys out until january anyway, george, herron and atajic for example. heard great things about them so bita experiance do them good.
And use mcgeouch, watt,rogic and twardski more often be good.
JONNY THE TIM
iPhone anything just tap the time on the black bar at the top of the phone with your mobile provider, time and battery indicator, takes you to the top of the page then refresh with the curved broken arrow.
Imho i dont think faddy signing on as a pay as you play contract with his murderwell wage ofcourse would be a bad thing,he would be a great help to our younger players and knows the set up..i dont think we’l spend similar to Amido or Virgil till we actualy get to the group stage h.h
Neustadt-Braw
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26 June, 2013
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let it slide …the lady of shallot and her wee mirror stories! will appear eventually ..hail hail
Tallybhoy .
I doubt that Silvio will do a minute of time…
Vado fuori .