Well done to the thousands who turned up for the Jock Stein 30th Anniversary game at Dunfermline yesterday. Money from the match is already helping refugees through the British Red Cross’s Europe Refugee Crisis Appeal.
The club site this morning reported David Miller of the Red Cross said, “Celtic FC Foundation and their fans’ support will make a real difference to the refugees and communities affected across Europe and in neighbouring countries. Thank you for supporting the appeal.”
We have a great auction coming up this week for hospitality at the Dundee game later this month, all funds going to the Foundation. Look out for it.
I was sorry to hear of the passing of Ralph Milne yesterday. Ralph was one of the outstanding talents of Scottish football when he won the league with Dundee United in 1983, a day after his 22nd birthday.
His scored the goal which won the league, but the memory of his chance in the European Cup semi-final, a year later away to Roma, still induces regret. 27 years later Roma would admit to bribing the referee for that game, as they progressed to the final with a 3-2 aggregate. A few years after winning the league the writing was on the wall for Ralph’s career.
I watched him playing a student team on a public park, telling the incredulous English person I was with about Ralph’s European Cup semi-final exploits three years earlier. He then floated around the English lower leagues before Sir Alex Ferguson signed him for Manchester United. Fergie remember the Ralph we were all amazed at from the 82-85 era, but by then (1988) Ralph was a a shadow of his former self. One of the game’s greats became one of its parodies.
Kick back and give yourself 20 minutes to have a read at Weekend at Bernie’s, recently published by the Hostile Monkey blog. In the light of last week’s court appearances it is a fully referenced, line-by-line, assessment of the “same club myth”, detailing six areas instances of the debate:
The Lord Nimmo-Smith Commission Argument
The European Football Club Association Argument
The UEFA website argument
The Advertising Standards Authority argument
The BBC Trust Argument
The SFA Registration Argument
It’s worth bookmarking for future reference.
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Brisbane 67 – what would be your considered opinion be of Article 3 of the Universal Declaration of Human Rights?
The reason I ask is that in the last 3 years approx 4 million Syrian’s have been registered as refugees by UNHCR. That would suggest they know more about what’s going on on the ground there than you or I.
I could put it another way. That’s about 3/4 population of Scotland displaced in 3 years. Of course given ‘our’ problem with political leaning perhaps you think Scots should be placed into Syria to make up the demographic balance?
16 roads – Celtic über alles:
Have you ever been to the middle east?
“In the end, we will remember not the words of our enemies but the silence of our friends.”
Martin Luther King.
Slan.
Kit.,,
You appear to misunderstand Christianity, where in the New Testament does the Christ tell is to bomb anyone ? Turn the other cheek was the message I understood to be the big difference.
Where did I advocate hurting anyone ?
What is happening to Islam currently is what happened to Christianity hundreds of years ago and your comment shows that to be the case, some so called Christians condone and twist the message of the Christ to justify their violence, this has confused many others and the hypocrisy has turned many away from the Christ’s message.
The Christ’s message was an extremely hard way to go as hard now as it was then, that’s why many consider it madness.
Yes Kitalba, I have been to the middle east.
Why do you ask?
Last I heard regards RES 12 the ball was 6 inches from an open goal. That was months ago.
Have we SCORED yet?
Or was it all wishful bullshit?
16 roads – Celtic über alles
Empathy???
16 ROADS – CELTIC ÜBER ALLES… on 7TH SEPTEMBER 2015 5:46 PM
Yes Kitalba, I have been to the middle east.
Package holiday disnae count BTW :-)
Canamalar:
I don’t misunderstand you or my teachings, I misunderstand those who bomb in my name.
Kit..,
Res12 is moving slowly but surely in the right direction.
They don’t bomb in your or my name we are insignificant to them, they bomb in the name of power and greed.
Yes Kitalba.
I do empathise with the people their whom are the victims of Neo-Consevative geopolitics.
That doesn’t excuse the persecution of Christians in these lands, under the guise of Islam.
Western foreign policy has been a contributing factor to a certain extent, however Christians have been subjected to genocide in these places since the 7th Century – long before Zionism, NATO or American today as we know it, even existed.
It’s written.
HH.
The recent Omar Souleyman album is providing an excellent accompaniment to this debate.
Kitalba, I’d be careful with words like empathy. You’ll be black flagged on some intelligence database with sentiments like those.
My biggest worry is what I see as a progressive move to destroy empathy with fellow human beings through propaganda and fear. Disenfranchise, weaken and make each of us vulnerable and squeeze that until we become insular and entrenched.
And I don’t do conspiracy theories. Just my gut feeling these days.
Let’s be frank here. Isis probably learned most of their tricks from The Inquisition.
Canamalar:
there is nobody who appreciates more than me how insignificant I am. But I try. I try to live my life without shoving my beliefs, my religion, down the throats of others who have already committed.
Hollywood bombs in my name. Westminster bombs in my name, Canberra sort of bombs in my name, I prefer to buy the guy with the alternative view a beer and drink him to death, or me. I’ve never seen a British or an American war movie claim Allah is great….
16 roads – Celtic über alles:
It is not Islam. Just like the INLA atrocities were not Catholic.
They shouldn’t require a strong arm dictator to keep in check their own lust for Christian blood.
Saddam,Gaddafi, Assad blah, blah, blah…
Regime change.
You simply cannot just slaughter other people just because they are of a different religion to your own.
There is no excuse for it.
The Palestinian Christians are also being subjected to persecution by the way.
It’s not too difficult to find the reality of what is happening – you just have to swerve the Western msm and look for other sources of information.
Like Google.
Christians.
Middle East.
Genocide.
Ethnic cleansing.
Persecution.
I recognise that it’s an inconvenient truth for some, particularly the politically correct brigade – but the truth it is.
Sorry.
JUDE2005 @ 2:41 PM,
Appreciate the reply, hope you’re feeling better soon and good luck to the Bhoy.
I’m just wondering whose playing in the U21 Premier League International Cup. Most of the bhoys are on loan.
Still, bigger picture eh!
Hope Scotland make a good account of themselves, tonight.
As for the chap who criticised Mulgrew.
Did you see the Georgia game? Okay, the Georgians gave him a bit of time as they weren’t pressing that far up the pitch but the ghuy looked Beckenbauresque at times:-)
Hail Hail
Canamalar:
I am not a big time Catholic, but I am a big fan of the TEN Commandments .
Saddam,Gaddafi, Assad?
Who has the more blood on their conscience… them or Bush or Blair or Reagan or Thatcher….
Who created this refugee crisis?
WHO? WHY? HOW MUCH?
RAYMAC @ 5:40 PM,
He knew a thing or two did aul G.K.
Hail Hail
Kitalba – See we are going down the path of whataboutery.
What about the INLA?
What about the Crusades?
What about the Rwandans?
What about General Philip Sheridan?
The Spanish Inquisition?
I’m talking about the here and now.
I’ve said all that I have to say. You are free to either agree or disagree – I will consider and respect your opinions,regardless.
However I believe that I am right in this instance.
HH.
Throughly enjoyed the passionate posts today ghuys.
On the Irish Famine. I’ve always preferred to call it the great hunger. The first book I read on the subject called it that.
It was genocide, a contrived famine.
As for the Syrian refugees, once again the west is up to their necks in it. We supplied weapons to Assad, we supplied weapons to Saudi Arabia, who in turn supplied to ISIS.
As far as I’m concerned we take as many as possible refugees and help them build better lives.
NZB – Beelin’ and greetin’ Troll Heids:
My works driver is a 26 year veteran of the Russian army. In days gone by we would have faced up to each other in arms. Tomorrow, not tomorrow per se, but tomorrow, he is going to drive me to Tbilisi to meet up with a freedom lawyer and an influential Celtic Supporter.
And he is Muslim and he loves Scottish whisky. And I trust him.
Kitalba – The North Atlantic Treaty Organisation along with their cohorts from the Gulf states helped create the current refugee crisis, all in the name of regime change.
They have also due to their meddling and geopolitical agenda bear some responsibility for the ethnic cleansing of Christians in the middle east.
However, this genocide of Christians in the very cradle of Christianity has been ongoing since the 7th Century.
That is the only point that I am trying to make.
HH.
16 roads – Celtic über alles:
What about live and let live?
Wee Jamesie………………………….. starts against the World Champions
NZB – Beelin’ and greetin’ Troll Heids: :
I trust the freedom lawyer and the Celtic Supporter but I trust my Muslim driver with my life. And my bottle of whisky.
weeminger,
Read on here recently that the inquisition has been exaggerated beyond reason by the UK Protestant establishment.
However I do believe the comparison you are looking for is the crusades which showed up the corruption of the message and the real hypocrisy of the Christian power base which has been with is since.
Looking at the rise of Islam it is almost identical to the rise of Christianity especially the division and the sectarian wars.
Religion, as so often, is the cover. Economics however is the reason beneath that cover.
What do people mean by the ‘Islamification’ of Europe? That there are more Muslims in it now or that Europe is adopting Muslim customs and laws? There is a major difference. In Latin America the fastest growing religions are pentecostal Christian – is this a pentecostalisation of Latin America? Was the colonisation of the Americas a ‘Christianisation’ of the Americas? IN the latter case yes and no. Yes, the state version of the Christian religion was imposed upon the continent – no, this was as far removed from the tenets of the Carpenter of Nazareth as it is possible to be.
I see no evidence across Europe of a loss of liberal lifestyle – in fact it may be the opposite. I see an increase in economic inequality in Europe and across the world. So I go back to my first few lines: the greatest danger faced to liberal ‘democracy’ and the western lifestyle is economic inequality in to which will flood the certainties offered by extremists whether they be white fascists or ‘islamists’
And by the way – the vast vast majority of Muslims on this planet do not agree with violence perpetrated in their name. The vast majority of those killed by violence perpetrated by ‘Islamist’ groups are themselves Muslim of one hue or another.
Western liberal democracies bombed parts of the middle east back to the dark ages – the denial of justice to Palestine is a major part of the problem as well. The west crushed every progressive movement in majority muslim countries during the cold war and promoted the right wing fundamentalists whose ideas are manifesting themselves today.
Another major question that one has to ask in all of this is, given the lack of any identifiable manufacturing base where in the name of the Deity are ISIS getting their arms? And the firs question to ask in any situation like this is the simplest of all if you are looking to apportion ‘blame’: ‘Who benefits’? Follow the money. Follow the power. There lie the answers.
7/1 for a Scotland win at home?
I’m no even tempted -)))
Kitalba – Live and let live?
That would be brilliant.
Christians in the middle east don’t have the right to live a peaceful existence.
Slaughter and persecution,for all that remains of them.
We did nothing to help.
HH.
Canamalar – you’re right and it was a bit lazy of me. It was really just a convenient catch all for atrocities carried out in the name of Christianity.
Kitalba – very well said. We must do everything wee can to keep an open mind and wide horizon. Our friendships tell us a lot about our own place in this world I think. But you are correct if I read you right, the big bad wolf takes many different forms at different times, and for many different purposes.
Now as for that whisky….funnily enough my wife is Muslim and wouldn’t touch the stuff, but I have laxer principles ;) Your trip sounds like fun and please pass on my appreciation of a job well done by your esteemed colleague, friend and driver.
If i was gonna have a bet on the game (which i’m not -))
I’d have gone for Mario Gotze to score.
kitalba @ 1:31 pm
Just home from work- first chance to reply.
“I believe every caring Australian has seen the pictures, I believe every caring person in the world has seen the pictures. I also believe that a lot of callous swan neckers have seen the pictures too. Is it illegal, I don’t know, you tell me, but for the first time in twenty years I missed a whole nights sleep watching Australian generated pictures of the crisis. Do you think the Australians don’t care? Really?”
It seems you have not accepted my point that I was not making an assertion, I was asking a question. Further, I was asking a question about an assertion made by an Australian about the Australian Government which I thought was unlikely to be true. How you get from there to me making an accusation against Australians is beyond me. I have no doubt, absolutely none, that Australian people saw the images and that Australian people care. The question was whether the government had made the picture illegal which would be a cause for concern about Australian government behaviour, not Australian people. In a post where the bulk of criticism was directed against my own government, Australia did not loom large at all in my thinking.
“You, like so many others, like to quote statistics – in isolation – that support their argument alone whilst conveniently ignoring the bigger picture.”
Not sure what bigger picture I ignored but the post was already long enough and I had no time to elaborate.
For the record, again, I like to quote statistics as a back-up to re-inforce an argument or rhetoric, therefore, by definition, not is isolation. Evidence is useful because, in the absence of weighed evidence, all you can determine is whether someone has argued more convincingly, not who has come closest to the truth.
“You quote GDP statistics. Here is one for you to look up, how big is the land mass of Europe compared to that of Australia? What is the population of the U.K., never mind Europe, compared to that of Australia? How much does the commercial, transportation and social structure cost an Australian per annum compared to most counties in Europe? What is Australia’s biggest contibuter to its GDP and how is she going to survive if the world continues to tear itself apart the way it presently is? Where do all the profits garnered from the sweat of the Australian workforce actually end up? Which country is buying up Australia like once when the Arabs had their land grab on London?”
My argument was to show that, while the UK and the USA, as large economies, can contribute large sums in aid (the absolute figure), but that, taken as a proportion of GDP, they were less generous than Kuwait and some Scandinavian countries. It is the same argument as the Widow’s mite; Bill Gates may make a huge donation that is 0.000001% of his net worth while a pensioner in poverty’s donation of £10 may represent 10% of their disposable spending. The countries that were criticised for not giving, in my post, were China and Russia. Australia only featured in a post-script not related to the aid question merely related to a media issue. No dig was made against Australians and any dig against the Australian Government has been held back until I get my answer to the question of whether or not they have made such pictures illegal.
“There is no water in the desert; None. You can’t drink sand….
Australia does not have a great track record when it comes to giving safe haven to fleeing refugees, but it is far from the worst, but don’t forget its relative isolation. Don’t forget a lot of things, unless you have an agenda.”
The only countries cited for this fault were Russia and China.
“I’m so pious, I’m so good, I’m so much more compassionate than you are or your fellow nationals.
So feckin easy to say. So feckin easy to boast. It is not what nations do that will make the difference, it is what individuals do and what they force their respective governments to do.”
That’s getting too close to Boris’s argument- that those who are showing concern are only doing it for moral one-upmanship. What a show off that Mother Teresa must have been? What an egotist was Father Damien at Molokai?
When you catch me boasting about what I do as an individual, feel free to dig me up about it. Individuals can effect governments and we should all do something about this as human beings, as families, as communities, as government as a people.
“Am I doing my wee bit… Yeah I think so but if I get caught God alone knows what my punishment will be. I’m not doing it as a Scotsman, nor as an Australian, I’m just doing it.”
See above
“It is not the colour or the creed, nor the race….”
See above- you have imagined a slight against Australians. I have no track record of doing so. Therefore, I am surprised you went off on one at me. Further so, after I told you explicitly that there WAS no dig at Australians, merely a question with no edge or agenda to it.
Praise be to Jesus Christ – that’s what I say.
Goodbye for now.
HH.