I never really understood what was so special about Roy Keane as a player until he came to Celtic, where he opened my eyes for 11 games (his first two performances, against Clyde and Kilmarnock, were awful).
He’s right up there in terms of great footballers I’ve seen play for Celtic, but he’s difficult to feel affection for. Today’s comments are a case in point:
“When [Celtic] qualified [for the Champions League]the celebrations were way over the top.
“I thought they’d won the competition. People were hugging each other, the manager, the coaches, the players.”
And the fans, Roy, Celtic fans were celebrating every bit as much as anyone you watched on television. No one thought we’d won the competition, but we are all aware of the transformational impact group qualification has on our football club. That’s worth celebrating. Fans all did, even if some former players found it difficult.
Brendan Rodgers qualified for the group stage with what was largely the same squad which disintegrated in Europe last season. He became the first Celtic manager to reach this level in his first season.
This challenge, coming a few weeks into your time as manager, is viewed as hugely difficult objective by the club. New managers seldom takeover successful gigs, with an upward trajectory and a list of targets ready to sign up.
The significant achievement in Europe this season, which has largely gone below the radar, is beating last season’s Champions League group stage participants, Astana, 2-1 at Celtic Park, with 11 starters who were all at the club before Brendan took over (one Rodgers signing started the away leg).
By any measure, Astana should have considered their chances that night and concluded, “We were better than them last season, and they’ve not added a player to the team”. (Two of Brendan’s signing came on as second half subs).
Going into this season we turned-over around 10% of what one of Roy’s other former clubs, or Barcelona received. If we had around £450m extra to spend, every season, there would be less celebration at reaching the group stage, as it would no longer be transformational. Maybe we’d be like football fans in Manchester, and only fill half our stadium against a Bundesliga team.
Or maybe we’ve not lost the joy in supporting our team. Neither have the manager, coaches and players.
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Am away tae!
Got a daughter/daddy night tonight.
Looking like the pics then Pizza Hut.
Ah well, she’ll no be we fur long.
Philbhoy
Im really hurt by the scathing, vitriolic, name calling.
Surely, he can do better than ‘fud’:)
HH
BURNLEY78
I would agree with that. What concerns me though is that we do not know how we as a club are voting in these General Assembly meetings. Are we cutting off our own nose in spite of our face in the hope that the protagonists of the Super League throw an invite our way? Lots of questions but never an answer.
TGM
Actully I am proud to be called an internet bampot, but am no tellin’ him, er, or her!
Away this time!
Take care!
PHILBHOY on 15TH SEPTEMBER 2016 3:09 PM
No problem and don’t worry skin of a walrus.
Babasonicos71
No are you:)
Oh ffs dry your eyes Roy. It’s not like you won the bliddy thing.
https://www.thesun.co.uk/sport/football/1327384/republic-of-ireland-hard-man-roy-keane-reduced-to-tears-after-his-side-qualify-for-knock-out-stages-of-euro-2016-with-italy-win/
PHILBHOY…
Enjoy yir night bud
BABASONICS71
Thanks!
Looking forward to it, the only thing is the wee yin gets to pick the pic.
:-(
Clydesider on 15th September 2016 3:05 pm
I am sure they would cite retention of the Champions Route as a victory…
Or maybe the threat to withdraw it was a smokescreen so we’d all be ‘happy’… not sure we will ever know…
HH
Philbhoy
Im still laughing at a few of those quips:)
Sharp as.
HH
TRADITIONALIST88
Or maybe the threat to withdraw it was a smokescreen so we’d all be ‘happy’… not sure we will ever know…
Your use of the word threat there say it all. It shows that the ECA does not fairly represent all 220 clubs. I just cannot for the life of me understand why 120 Ordinary Member clubs who have voting rights can vote for something that effects them negatively.
I have not yet worked out how many of those clubs with voting rights come from the Big 4 leagues so it will be interesting to see what the numbers are and could give a better insight into how these changes are voted through.
HH
Heading to Glasgow shortly to see the Celtic Story at the Pavilion, should be a good night!
Play nice!
DIDNT SEE MUCH ABT THE GOINS ON IN POLAND IN THE MSM TODAY.
The Green Man says SACK THE Board on 15th September 2016 11:10 am
UEFA are using Celtic and Celtic Park….to enhance the ‘product’ Celtic Park is ‘THE’ CL venue
*Almost all of our European games are broadcast live over here on the NA continent, even from such far off places like Kazakhstan, they just love us especially at Parkheid where it is often remarked that there is no better place to be on a European night than Celtic Park.
Just 3 weeks ago I watched us at Beersheba on the Outer Banks of North Carolina which is on the Atlantic, next stop east is Morocco.
We are a top drawer club for our colourful support if nothing else. UEFA urnae daft nor are the likes of the Fox Sports Network.
NATKNOW on 15TH SEPTEMBER 2016 3:16 PM
You may very well be right. Just hope we get there!
FAC the Act
KTF
Clydesider on 15th September 2016 3:48 pm
Agreed, there is limited info out there and we need to hear more from those involved, on the current changes and discussions about future changes,
HH
Afternoon Timland from a very hot hun free mountain valley
I will keep saying it till we get it right……
Forget systems and the like !!!
Unless we can master ball control and passing to a team mate, then moving into space to receive a pass from a team mate who has also mastered passing to someone in his own team……
This is the most basic of things that a footballer needs to get right at any level especially at a professional level, we still have to master these basics.
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Tontine Tim
Pity that Celtic dont benefit more.
But, we are indeed admired for our wonderful supporters.
The money men, are well aware that CP generates excitement and spectacle.
Be nice if we had a team to do justice to the name Celtic.
HH
ROBIN BHOY
ITS BRILL!!!
VFR
A lot of stuff still being talked about the PLC and Peter Lawwell. Let’s be clear here, Peter Lawwell is the CEO and he acts on behalf of the PLC Board who set the strategy. Basically, he is, broadly speaking, told what do by the Board. He goes and does it and if he meets the targets set by the Board (probably by DD to be honest) he gets a bonus.
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I had to just stop reading there.
If the board set the strategy then there is no requirement for a CEO!
Yes he will be given paramaters to work within which will be the concern of (see point 3 below).
Peter Lawell as CEO’s responsibilities like all CEO’s responsibilities include
1. Setting the strategy and direction for the company and business.
If he is not responsible for this then he is not worth his salray and exuberant bonus IMO.
2. Building and leading senior exec team ie. hiring\firing Finance director as an example.
3. Maintaining Relationship with Non exec Chairmen and Directors who’s responsibility it is to advise, question and act when there are issues with governance, fiduciary responsibilities of CEO.
4. Setting Budgets and deciding budgetary priorities.
there is much more to this job, obviously, but the 4 points above are the main duties of a CEO. Without performing these duties the requirement for a CEO is void and paying him his salary + bonus to the tune of £1M is a complete waste of cash. So therefor in your world of a CEO Peter Lawell should get his jotters as he is doing nothing a CEO should do.
I’ll go back and finish reading now.
MWD
TRADITIONALIST88 on 15TH SEPTEMBER 2016 3:54 PM
There in lies the rub.
It is almost impossible to find information when you have a secret group, holding secret meeting’s with secret votes.
Fans have absolutely zero input to how European football is being steered. If you discuss these matters with an English fan, the usual reply is ‘So what’ or along those lines. They are blind to how leagues outwith the top 4 are being affected by this greed. They are just lucky to be one of the 4 that benefits.
Our club are a huge disappointment in their lack of information. Any information available regarding ECA seems to be cut and paste jobs from ECA PR. It is infuriating that fans have no input into how all this is being decided.
HH
All we need to do is buy more expensive players, Peter. But naw. You’re too busy spending bonus money on this :
https://www.danburymint.co.uk/product/celtic-motorbike?mcode=FB27&utm_source=Facebook&utm_medium=Facebook&utm_campaign=CEMO-FB27
yed think roy keane was a top class manager the way he was ranting on he was bog standard oneil took him on and saved a ailing career
Kel fae cowden
You dont need to be a top class manager, to be peed off that Celtic got humped.
I wasnt exactly thrilled myself.
Let me ask you, if you were an ex Celtic player like RK, wouldnt you be peed off?
I know i am.
HH
NatKnow
Heated seat on that bad bhoy?
MOONBEAMSWD ‘STAND UP ON 15 FOR THE GB’ on 15TH SEPTEMBER 2016 4:07 PM
It all comes back to the fact that people moaning about his bonus don’t know what his KPI’s are.
While you’re defined what might be considered the usual tasks of a CEO, it could be that PL is directly responsible for major commercial contracts and his bonus is a reflection of money he brings in directly. It probably isn’t but we just don’t know.
We (and I mean me) should probably just shut up about it tbh.
On Karamoko Dembele.
I was fortunate to once see a video of a young Aiden McGeady at a similar age.
He similarly brilliant.
I’m told that some of the parents of his team mates complained that their own kids were not developing because Aiden had so much of the ball.
The Man City scout for juvenile football for years and years is a Mr Fetguson from Glenrothes in Fife.
He is a retired headmaster now and since his retirement looks at senior players also.
I have been fortunate to spend some time with him over the years.
He has a compelling dossier on any young player that has come out of Scotland over the last 35 years.
I have sat in his private study and seen his notes on various players who have made it to a professional level.
When Islam Feruz was 14/15 I had a long chat with him about the boy.
I remember him stating that there was some concern about the boys real age ,as he’s was so advanced,and had come from Africa where it would be possible to lie about it.
Anyway ,he told me not to concern my self about Feruz ,because there was no chance that he would have a career at Celtic.
Why ?
Because he knew all the big EPL sides were looking at him , City being one of them.
Chelsea ,Man U ,Arsenal, were the ones paying really big money to 16 year olds.
10 times what Celtic ,could or would pay.
I pointed out Aiden McGeady.
He said the disparity in riches was not the same when Aiden was breaking through ,and the Bhoy and his family were Celtic daft.
So there was no real comparison.
Why am I mentioning this?
Well a couple of reasons.
Being a juvenile star ,doesn’t mean that you will make it in the adult game.
Secondly ,Celtic will be massively outbid when it comes to Dembele signing professional contracts.
In retrospect are two ways of looking at what Feruz did .
One is that he should have stayed at Celtic ,he would have had less competition and developed a longer career.
Two is that he was right to take the hundreds of thousands of pounds on offer as he didn’t make it at a decent level,and he has given himself a financial foundation for the rest of his life.
Dembele will have a similar decision to make in the next few years.
TT
If we had only lost 1-0 against Barcelona, would PL’s bonus look better value for money?
How many points would we be on if we had only lost 1-0?
DAVIDOPOULOS on 15TH SEPTEMBER 2016 4:12 PM
NatKnow
Heated seat on that bad bhoy?
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No need mate – it gets heated by the driveway!! :-)
BMCUW & AWE NAW
I live in Canada and have 2 CL match packages however I will not be able to make it over for the BM game only the Man City and Barca matches. I do however need an extra ticket for the Man City home game as my son and Dad are coming back with me for that match.
I would be happy to swap my 2 BM tickets for 1 Man City home ticket if either of you have a spare or know how to procure a spare ticket for Man City.
Cheers
Weeminger
Stop defending the bonus culture…..its a busted flush
Businessmen shouldnt be paid more than players imo, its a nonsense
And thats why we cant get a few star players, because the PLC are hoovering up the bonuses:), while we get humped 7-0
HH
“Let me ask you, if you were an ex Celtic player like RK, wouldnt you be peed off?”
Tgm,
Ex Celtic player?
He signed only to piss wee Gordon off.
That tells you much about the man.
HH
MOONBEAMSWD ‘STAND UP ON 15 FOR THE GB’ on 15TH SEPTEMBER 2016 4:07 PM
VFR
A lot of stuff still being talked about the PLC and Peter Lawwell. Let’s be clear here, Peter Lawwell is the CEO and he acts on behalf of the PLC Board who set the strategy. Basically, he is, broadly speaking, told what do by the Board. He goes and does it and if he meets the targets set by the Board (probably by DD to be honest) he gets a bonus.
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I had to just stop reading there.
If the board set the strategy then there is no requirement for a CEO!
Yes he will be given paramaters to work within which will be the concern of (see point 3 below).
Peter Lawell as CEO’s responsibilities like all CEO’s responsibilities include
1. Setting the strategy and direction for the company and business.
If he is not responsible for this then he is not worth his salray and exuberant bonus IMO.
2. Building and leading senior exec team ie. hiring\firing Finance director as an example.
3. Maintaining Relationship with Non exec Chairmen and Directors who’s responsibility it is to advise, question and act when there are issues with governance, fiduciary responsibilities of CEO.
4. Setting Budgets and deciding budgetary priorities.
there is much more to this job, obviously, but the 4 points above are the main duties of a CEO. Without performing these duties the requirement for a CEO is void and paying him his salary + bonus to the tune of £1M is a complete waste of cash. So therefor in your world of a CEO Peter Lawell should get his jotters as he is doing nothing a CEO should do.
I’ll go back and finish reading now.
MWD
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MWD, the board set the overall direction for the Company – the high level strategy- and the CEO is responsible executing that by defining an operational strategy and running the business day-to-day. That’s how a business like Celtic works and the leading shareholder, Desmond, will be fairly hands-on in how the CEO operates.
As far as his budgetary responsibilities are concerned the CEO will, IMHO, be given budgets by the Board for the playing side and non-playing side of the business; he will have to operate within these. Therefore, the Board will exercise overall control on the playing budget. He will work with the manager on how that playing budget is spent.
None of this means that the CEO isn’t doing his job or is a waste of money. As for the claim of a £1M a year bonus is concerned, the figures were published earlier that completely dispel that myth. From what I recall it was circa £2M over 8 or 10 years.
FAC the Act
KTF
Geordie Munro
Why was RK pissed off then, if it wasnt because we got humped?
HH
Tgm,
He’s just an angry attention seeker. They do exist :)
If you listen to him for long enough he’ll slag off everyone.
He can’t care about them all.
HH
Geordie Munro
You could be right about RK.
But, it peed me right off anyway.
You wont be surprised to hear that:)
HH
THE GREEN MAN SAYS SACK THE BOARD on 15TH SEPTEMBER 2016 4:20 PM
I don’t actually think I’ve defended it. I’ve said it’s pointless discussing it, since nobody actually knows what it’s based on. You disputed my figures earlier, which means you’ve made a very serious allegation about the veracity of our published accounts.
On a slightly different note (and since you kind of brought it up), what do you think the lowest 1st team player wage is? Will KT be on more than £5-7.5k/week do you think? Would McGregor be on anything like that?