Scottish Football Association.
Articles of Association.
Powers of the Board of the SFA.
56, (8).
“It [the Board]shall have power to enquire into all and any financial arrangements between recognised football bodies, clubs and players and to cancel any agreement between clubs and players contrary to the Articles and to publish in the public press or otherwise the findings of the Board in this regard and the substance of any and all evidence tendered in such enquiries.”
“It shall have the power
“to enquire into all and any financial arrangements
“between recognised football bodies, clubs and players
“and to cancel any agreement between clubs and players contrary to the Articles”.
While the prolonged HMRC inquiry into Rangers played out in public, the Scottish Football Association had the power to enquire into what was going on and rule accordingly. They chose not to.
Mr Bryson is the executive charged with this responsibility. He did nothing. Then his evidence to the Commission determined the outcome and effectively cleared his earlier inaction. In SFA parlance, this is “heavily conflicted”.
What say you now, Mr Bryson?
It was always rather curious that the SPL convened the Commission, not the SFA, which is the registration body. Had it been the SFA, the first route of appeal would be to the Court of Arbitration for Sport (CAS). CAS ruled against Mr Bryson’s interpretation of proper registration when the Swiss FA registered Sion players, in line with the documentation submitted, but improperly.
If the SPL takes the matter to CAS it will win.
Celtic, and Celtic fans, cannot do anything alone. We need to stand with other SPL clubs, or to be more specific, we need to stand with the fans of other SPL clubs in the first instance. An SPL Fan Group is needed. More on this later.
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I see mols wants to celebrate hell Sunday again. Thats another reason ill never forgive that little runt Mc Donald for not blootering the ball over the bar. <:o(
Ntassoolla
We gave our Friday fish to the starving black babies. :-)
There is a village in Africa somewhere where the whole family is named after Celtic players (and in my mate Lynchy’s case – Coatbridge Scrap merchants; no I don’t know why either)!
Hail hail
Estadio
Interesting…
http://www.scotprem.com/content/default.asp?page=s2&newsid=12131&back=home
SPL Statement – Independent Commission
The SPL Board appointed the Independent Commission to consider all aspects of the above matter and at no point provided any direction to the Commission on any aspect of the case.
The SPL Board notes that the Commission has upheld a number of complaints against Rangers OldCo and that Rangers OldCo has been found to have breached SPL and Scottish FA Rules over an 11-year period in relation to the non-disclosure of financial arrangements involving many of its Players.
The SPL Board are assured by the integrity of the process followed and thank The Rt Hon Lord Nimmo Smith and his colleagues, Nicholas Stewart QC and Charles Flint QC, for their time and effort.
The Board wishes to give the detail of the decision further consideration at its next meeting
Since Thommo broke the story about Ogilvie and Co being Ranger’s shareholders he has probably given CO the prerfect alibi.
Ogilvie will simply say that since he was a shareholder in Rangers he had a conflict of interest so left this work to others!
I just signed papers if they put them under my nose (when I was at Rangers) and didn’t deal with any Rangers stuff when at the SFA as I was a shareholder.
When Joseph Heller wrote Catch 22 he based it on the SFA rules.
Paul67
Bryson did not just clear himself of his earlier inaction, he saved the SFA the cost of meeting his failure to act.
The argument had LNS arrived at the conclusion that Rangers had sought competitive advantage would have led to compensation claims of the SFA for not investigating as soon as they were aware HMRC had presented an ebt bill (possibly early 2008?)
So the last thing the SFA wanted is the only verdict all the evidence pointed to, but instead used another technicality to avoid the consequences of their dereliction of duty.
Is it only me or do others find both rulings from the FTT that a loan is not a payment and LNS that no sporting advantage was gained by having £40 odd million to spend on players an insult to our intelligence?
Do folk in charge think we are a nation of morons or are they simply addressing the morons in our midst?
One judgement -The FTT is already under official appeal, the other is still out to the jury of football opinion and they are the ultimate judges. LNS has found the technicality on which to make a judgement that protects Scottish football from compensation claims – job done in a legal sense.
The collaterall damage may cost more than the compensation saved.
The SFA are beyond saving now and so is Scottish football as long as it is run under their jurisdiction.
What I can’t understand is during Sion’s dispute with Uefa,uefa refused to accept any ruling made by the Swiss courts as they said civil courts had no jurisdiction and any disputes had to be settled by CAS.
Now it seems to me the SFA think they were covering their arses by appointing a so-called ‘independent’commission, and doing a Pontius Pilate by allowing said commission to set the punishment as well.
Time for Uefa to look at this, they probably are already, but let’s not forget, the unseen handshake is not just a Scottish thing.
Dobbo
Very interesting. It gives all SPL club’s supporters an opportunity to let their clubs know how they view unequivocal acceptance of the LNS judgement.
“Law and justice are not always the same. When they aren’t, destroying the law may be the first step toward changing it.”
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NTassoolla..
I had a Boxing Day BBQ for the Guest the Rent my House a Couple of them are from the Czech Republic.. I asked them what their National dish was at Christmas .. And would they Cook it for the Others..
Carp.. And Carp Soup..
You should have Seem the Others Faces when we Said the Starter was Fish Soup.. They Feckin Loved it..:-)
Then Ditto the BBQ Carp..
A Couple of Week Later I told them Never to Call it Fish Soup again..
They Now Refer to it as.. A Seafood Broth infused with Chilli and a Vegetable Malaise..;-))))
Summa of FishyStoryCSC
SPL Statement – Independent Commission
The SPL Board appointed the Independent Commission to consider all aspects of the above matter and at no point provided any direction to the Commission on any aspect of the case.
who decided on the £250000 fine on oldco then?
LNS and co ? or neil doncaster and the spl board ?
the fine info
spl offices hampdump = sfa offices hampdump
right lads time to lay the blame elsewhere
THE STENCH FROM HAMPDUMP WILL LINGER FOR MANY MORE YEARS TO COME
jam67
Big Nan @12:51 do you think we should stick that whole shower in a rowing boat and point them in the direction of Sweden?
mighty tim
omeprazole?
My doc proscribed them for me yesterday -they any good?
Sounds good Sammi. The ponds in London parks are guarded by cameras to deter those same East Europeans from helping themselves to the carp.
Of course the East Europeans blame the Albanians.
Off to do a wee bit of work.
I have tickets for tomorrow’s game and the game in Dingwall next weekend. I’m heavily conflicted about whether I’m going to use them or not.
I understand fully the argument that we should stick with Celtic and that it’s not our fault. However I also understand the argument that by continuing to spend time and money watching a corrupt game we are legitimising and validating the corruption and cheating. It’s this argument that holds more sway for me at this time.
If I thought there was going to be some sort of action tomorrow to register our disgust (e.g. mass walk out during the game, by both sets of supporters, to be replicated at other fixtures later in the day) then I’d be inclined to go, but I’m not aware of anything taking place and I fear that if we all just turn up as normal, we have no hope of addressing the corruption and cheating that has utterly warped our game.
If the LNS result sticks without challenge I’m considering not attending another Scottish football match, but trying to get tickets for Celtic’s European games only from now on.
Whilst we may have suspected that there was considerable bias in the application of the rules, the LNS decision lays this out explicitly in black and white. I sense acceptance among fans of all clubs that Rangers/New Rangers were/are governed by a completely different set of rules to the rest of us.
This isn’t sport any more.
Well done Paul, using their own rules to hang them….they tried to twist them so often, re-write to suit it was surely a certainty they would slip
Now is our time, the true power of the Scottish game – the fans must once again stand united to bring about the changes required. We the fans forced the issue to get Sevco put into Division 3 against the wishes of other SPL clubs / SFA and Sevco themselves.
The Internet bampots MUST get together to form a clear strategy to get the message over we will NOT be cheated AGAIN.
macanbheatha Omeprazole are the equivalent of having a Ferrari when other caplets are mini’s mate. That is how my GP described them to me and he was not telling porkies.
HH
Summa of Sammi….
12:41 on 1 March, 2013
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You are right, of course. We spend too much time talking about a club which died in disgrace & the Zombie tribute act which seeks to replace it.
Maybe it is time to introduce a variation of Godwin’s Law to CQN.
We could replace the inane podium race with a wooden spoon award for the first person on any new article who mentions Oldco or Newco.
The person to first mention either of these irrelevances would be that days ‘GODWIN’ & might like to atone by making a small donation to any of the site’s excellent charities.
Now, who wants to be the first Godwin ? :¬)))
Mostly keep to lurking at the moment, the volatility of opinions on the blog on any given issue varies wildly from very good and sensible posts to some utter gash; I tend to stay away directly after defeats and after rulings like yesterdays from LNS.
Did any of us expect anything other than the verdict that was published yesterday, I didn’t, it was only a gut feeling but I would have been astonished if titles were stripped from them yesterday. If the SPL/SFA could have manufactured a way out they would have, it seams they have and they did.
The evidence given by Mr Bryson makes no sense, it basically states the way I read it is; register your players any way you want legal or illegal because as soon as I accept the registrations they become legal anyway. How clubs who have been banned from cups more heavily fined feel about that I can only imagine.
Football in Scotland is finished as sure as night follows day, the deady bears have gotten away with it, the only punishment they have received is demotion to division 3 because the club was liquidated and they had to start again as a newco, the SFA and SPL have not got a clue.
We have the hordes of hades stating that they are the real victims in all of this, and they have been so hard done too, it is astounding of forehead some of the statements emanating from asbestox.
I will renew my season cards, I don’t want to punish Celtic because of the situation with the deady bears, but I totally understand anyone who is re-evaluating their financial contribution to Scottish Football which after the LNS verdict is totally morally and financially corrupt, the evidence is clear for everyone to see (except if you are an Edinburgh Jury) and its sad but I don’t know how the game can move forward from here.
On a brighter note, absolutely looking forward to tonight’s 1254125 with the Lisbon Lions at Celtic Park, should be a good night!
gebhoy
P.S. – Estadio. I think the opposition that day were Caldervale.
macanbheatha
13:01 Work wonders. Been on them for two years. Take on an empty stomach, though, and at least 1.5 hours before eating again.
NHS-CSC
Cant understand why some supporters see not supporting Celtic as a means of protest against the SFA/Sevco,
mighty tim
Thanks cara
my aul gut has been giving me hell for weeks now
Only started them this morning so here’s hoping.
Ntassoolla
12:13 on 1 March, 2013
When I played school football there were Protestant and Catholic schools in the league.
A teacher from one school or other refereed the game. The subs ran the line. Honesty was the watchword. We even lent each other players in the case where a full complement did not turn up.
A player of ours, lent to the opposition, and furious at being sub, took this honesty to new levels and scored a hat-trick for them. Just to get back at the teacher in charge.
Somewhere that has been lost and it has to be rediscovered.
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You went to school with Maurice Johnston?
Fassreifen
Feckin 2yrs!
Senor Pablo Diablo
13:05 on 1 March, 2013
I would think that direct contact by fans with their clubs Boards in advance of the SPL Board meeting to discuss the LNS decision would be more appropriate than boycotts – 50 letters arriving with the Chairman is a lot more noticeable than 50 fans not turning up
VertWolf
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KK..
Alanis Morriset Must post on CQN..
Cause Isn’t it Ironic.. Don’tcha think..
That the Very People that Say they Want The Rangers Gone And to Never Meet them again..
Talk about Them All the Time..:-(((
Summa of LetThePeepulGoCSC
Can someone clarify/confirm that the outcome from the LNS enquiry was merely a “recommendation” to the SPL? (as I believe it is). As I understand it, this means that these “recommendations” are discussed by the SPL board, where amongst others Celtic are represented. I think this may have some way to go yet.
macanbheatha They will sort it no problem mate. I have had them for years they were originally Losec. After 1-2 weeks at the start I now only take them when required normally after Guinness, Rum and curry.
But always carry some with you mate just in case or if going on a night out take a couple about an hour before and party on.
HH
Ghuys
Will the Celtic board vote against / reject the findings, when it goes to the SPL board?
Is there any wriggle room in the rules or the will to challenge this absurdity?
HH
macanbheatha, if you’re on them for a great length of time, request a gastroscopy as something else may be up. But doctors here in Germany prescribe Omep freely, seems it’s necessary to counteract the effects of modern processed food. Not an ideal solution, of course.
This might seem a bit odd.
But the more I think about it the decision yesterday wasnt really about Rangers.
Rangers are dead.
All the guilty verdicts and mountains of punishments would have done what exactly.
Whats the point in hanging a corpse.
However a guilty verdict would have one very serious outcome.
People would ask how could such a state of affairs have arisen.
And people might actually investigate how such a state of affairs had arisen.
Would you investigate the dead or might you take a wee iook at the living.
I think a big bright spotlight would have focused directly onto the SFA.
The bizarre logic needed and the selective interpretation of evidence to arrive at that verdict yesterday could quiet easily give rise to the notion that the Establishment was closing ranks.
I AM JUST SICK …..
i dont know if i was given false hope or my hopes were false but and i make no excuse .. i dont tend to read thru all the mountains of stuff and finding as my head gets sore after a while .
so i tend to trust my gut on things .. i could not see any way players were not ineligible based on my readings .
another thought ….
if uefa would see things in a different light ..then surely the players who played for them in Europe were ineligible ….no
can a complaint be sent to uefa … who could make the right call and show the spl/sfa up as the blundering buffoons they appear to be
also a hun in work is taking delight in pointing out a thread on here on hollow hollow . i sneaked out to type this on my phone .
i call them cheats but they dont seem to care ….quite sad
Charles Green and fat Sally’s demands for an apology are a joke, what part of GUILTY don’t they get? They were found guilty, end of, it’s only the punishment that doesn’t fit the crime. What is the point of a fine when its unrecoverable? They may as well have made it £2.50 or 250,000,000
Still deducted a point more than cheating rangers…
‘Salisbury have been docked a point and fined £100 by the Conference for fielding an ineligible player.
The papers for Elliot Frear’s loan from Exeter were not received and processed prior to the player being fielded against AFC Hornchurch on 12 January.
It means the Whites drop to second in the Blue Square Bet South – level on points with Welling, who have a better goal difference.
Salisbury have confirmed they will not contest the decision’
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gordybhoy64
13:12 on
1 March, 2013
Cant understand why some supporters see not supporting Celtic as a means of protest against the SFA/Sevco,
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It is My Personal Opinion that Peeps that Decry Celtic FC in Public.. Be it on CQN .. SuperScoreBoard or in the Papers.. Have a Agenda against Celtic for one Reason or another..
Ex Players.. Is Obvious.. It ended badly.. See Ex Wife..
Ex Employee..See Above..
Or The Che Guvara Type who want the Meet in too Many Carparks..
I have a Mate Who Defo is Celtic through and Through.. He went through a Stage where he Called Clyde Phone in every week to Slag Celtic Plc (Not Celtic FC) I found out the Reason Years Later.. He was Sacked from The Celtic Winfall thingy for being Drunk..
Summa of AlteriorMotivesCSC
new article posted.
I thought the zombies were announcing some Mega sponsorship deal today or is that another empty promise from Chuck?