The news yesterday that HMRC would appeal the decision by the First Tier Tribunal (FTT) to reject the part of their tax demand against former club Rangers which was still open to dispute was received by most with passing interest. The FTT returned a split decision, with the minority view giving HMRC substantial grounds for an appeal, and as we have heard often in recent years, HMRC always pursue tax under various circumstances. Reasons include when they believe wrongdoing has occurred.
As such, it seemed strange that The Rangers chief executive, Charles Green, issued a statement on the subject yesterday as the on-going tax dispute “will have no affect (sic.) on us”. He also wrote “in the strongest possible terms to HMRC pointing out the futility of such an appeal”.
If Green expects HMRC to read this letter and to countenance a change of tact he has a regard for his own abilities which are, frankly, a little curious. No mere mortal could write a letter and bring about any change in such a dispute, which leads us to another question, is Charles Green a mere mortal, or does his aim occasionally stretch beyond his reach? I’m sure we’re not dealing with a Self-Certified-Superman.
The point to this exercise is that while Green’s newco is not liable for another company’s taxes, his football club inherited the SFA place vacated by Rangers, including pesky football liabilities. Fifa and SFA rules on paying social taxes are clear – avoid them illegally and face disciplinary action.
As the matter is on-going, the football authorities have yet to issue any disciplinary action for the non-payment of taxes for the five players Rangers conceded to the FTT. Should the courts ultimately decide in favour of HMRC for the balance of players still being disputed, a fresh wave of disciplinary measures would be due against Green’s club.
Last summer we discussed how the toxicity which was attached to the club Craig Whyte inherited, and then relinquished in a worse state, would make going forward as a Newco with any connection whatsoever to the SFA membership of Oldco very difficult. Many, including the Blue Knights consortium, concluded it didn’t look viable.
It still doesn’t. Scottish football needs to consider how to deal with the long term consequences of these matters.
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TTT
Montpelier’s in Bruntsfield is well worth a shout. http://www.montpeliersedinburgh.co.uk/
Just that little bit away from the madness of George Street. Good food and normally very attractive ladies too. Woooooo
Some Juventus news.
The club has 12 players away on international duty with various squads – including Asamoah at the AFCON with Ghana who have reached the sf, as have Nigeria.
Juve coach Antonio Conte seems to be giving the impression that he is becoming a wee bit concerned about the upcoming tie with Celtic, and has hinted that he is giving serious consideration to fielding Anelka in Glasgow.
We shall see!
HH!!
dali.12.29.
I think your right about the stitch up, selling under value.
The word alienation springs to mind.
The things you pick up on, on this great site.
Cavansam
Indeed. They will have had a world record for attendance for a team who went bust twice
The Token Tim…the smokestack on Broughton street takes a bit of beating if you want a good steak.
bbg
Duff & Phelps prospectus projected a return to pre-tax profits of £14m by 2014/15 and a Champions League income of £21.7m by 2015.
No wonder the wealthy Singapore Family contacted Green and put up the capital to buy rangers.
Not turning out as expected it seems…
Vmhan,
The fitness issue was put to bed a couple of seasons ago after an 11 game unbeaten run Paddy played in. Up to three games a week no problems. He was dropped because a managers a fav became available that needed games to get match fit and we lost games.
Paddy’s only problem is he is not a managers fav.
And within a couple of weeks of being dropped the usual drivel about his fitness became gospel again.
Kev Jungle
You’re entitled to your opinion, but uts the way you keep repeating the same old stuff that wears everyone down….smile and be happy for a wee change…..
(ah know he’s not on yet but that will save me from typing that later….things to do)
TOken Tim
Would recommend the Rutland , decent up market diner / restaurant upstairs , and the bar downstairs has a decent choice of beers
The other option is McKirdy’s steakhouse, but it is a bit off main drag
So if the UTTT finds against rangers, is it true they have to pay in full to take the appeal further ?
Livibhoy/BankieBhoy/Orchardcounty,
Much obliged for the info bhoys!
I’m planning to book today or tomorrow latest for us. Hotel already sorted out.
Re budget, higher rather than lower, but given we’ll be bevying all day (apart from the 80+ mins at Murrayfield) I would say nothing too fancy!
Have to admit I quite like the look of Steak Edinburgh…..but Tempus looks good too, although potentially a bit more “fancy”?
Feel free to offer more options though!
HAIL! HAIL!
Token
The Token Tim,
theres a steak restaurant called Kyloe which is situated above The Rutland right on the west end of Princes Street. theres also a restaurant called “Steak” which is on Picardy Place at the east end of town. Kyloe definitely has the better reviews out of the 2 but it could be very busy. west end of town is better for pubs and clubs after the meal anyway.
DMacB
Slightly off topic and I’ve got the munchies now, but I cannae find a really good Indian restaurant in Bournemouth.
I’ve been spoiled by the shedloads of excellent curry houses in Glasgow.
(I wonder what it’d cost to get a takeaway delivered?)
An Dun 12:35 on 5 February, 2013
It’s my understanding that FIFA and UEFA both define Football Clubs as legal entities. Therefore UEFA and FIFA are of the opinion, Rangers FC is no more. Given that’s the case, how can they flout their own rules and insist Charlie pays taxes owed by a dead Club?
Inheriting the SFA membership doesn’t mean inheriting the debt. Had Spartans inherited the SFA membership, would they be liable ?
Was it not part of the agreement with the SFA that in order to get the ‘associate’ license, SevcoFC had to agree to pay any debts owed by RangersFC? Whether monies owed to the taxman was part of the deal I would sincerely doubt.
SPF
TTT
Just stick to your usual Large Doner with no salad
What’s it got to do with Chawlls? Eff all.
31003
Kev jungle’s away oot!
But… he will be back soon, telling us all how Celtic are doomed!
Sack the board!
…and the entire management and coaching staff as well!
Bring back Lou Macari!
HH!!
TTT
you’ll definitely get a better steak at Kyloe than at Tempus, which is just the restaurant attahced to the George Hotel on George Street. food there isnt that much to shout about to be honest. its pricey and not worth IMHO.
Paul67 –
Check you paraphrasing Victorian poets! However isn’t mans reach that’s meant to exceed his grasp, per Browning? Anyways – the grasping Mr Green displays all the hallmarks of the classic over-reacher. Like Faust, the pact he has entered into is doomed will not end well. For him.
Also “will have no affect (sic.) on us” – what hope for a club that has such a poor media department it lets a basic error like this through?! Here was me thinking one f the country’s top journalists was now fingering the style manual there.
Taggsybhoy,
Thanks also for heads-up.
Incidentally, got your email this morning…..tres interessant!
Cant commit right now, but definitely one for me to consider in next month or so.
HAIL! HAIL!
Token
Token Tim,
There’s also a couple of places that do a nice variant of a steak, which they call a steak bake.
I am told demand can be extremely high at peak periods, and unfortunately you can’t pre – book, although there are rumours they cater for bulk orders, but only in the south side of Glasgow.
The zombie’s media dept need to brush up on their spelling!
…and start telling the truth!
HH!!
I’m flying back to Dublin from Edinburgh the day after Juventus game, I won’t go hungry by the sounds of it.
newradbhoy
I think that our friends on the south side of the city are in for a rocky ride in the next few months
prepare for more boycotts (anybody left to boycott ?)
Neil canamalar Lennon hunskelper extrordinaire
12:52 on 5 February, 2013
Vmhan,
The fitness issue was put to bed a couple of seasons ago after an 11 game unbeaten run Paddy played in. Up to three games a week no problems.
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Not quite.
Between 6th Nov 2010 and 1st Feb 2011, Celtic played 16 games.
Paddy started 7 of them, completing 90 minutes on 4 occasions.
He came on as a sub in a further 8 games.
Of those 16 games, Celtic W11 D 4 L1.
He then made 8 sub appearances for the rest of the season.
In the following 16 games (for comparison) after 1st Feb, Celtic W11 D2 L3 – this run includes 3 games against the Dead Ones.
Your point about whether the manager has favourites and Paddy is not one of them is an interesting one and I honestly wouldn’t know.
The main beneficiaries in terms of appearances when Paddy dropped out after 1st Feb was Samaras and Ki both of whom I’d have in the team ahead of Paddy any day. But that’s just my opinion.
HH
TLK
Paul mc convinlles views on the appeal.
http://scotslawthoughts.wordpress.com/2013/02/05/hmrc-given-leave-to-appeal-tribunal-decision-re-mihrangers-plus-clarification-of-tomo-blog/
Sally Lardbucket, the only simian ever to be given a platinum loyaty card by Greggs.
What’s the craic, are Sevco in financial trouble. If so, that would be fun. However, the Scottish Football authorities will endeavour to keep some semblance of that company in the league.
Árd Macha
Whats Ticketus & Craig Whyte up to these days,
They surley have not just gone away.
Neil canamalar Lennon hunskelper extrordinaire
12:52 on
5 February, 2013
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Talking of his fitness levels now Canamalar, a result of him rarely being used during this period.
If Paddy McC had the level of fitness of say Broonie then he would be THE managers favourite n’est pas?
ps I think the reason he’s still at CP is because the manager likes him, if I was Paddy McC I’d be off.
Back to work Canamalar, catch yir reply later.
V
miki67
£400 delivery, we will through in the curry for nothing
So was the threatened winding up order by the men from the east just that? A wind up? Been on Phil’s blog nothing there either.
TLK,
Cheers for the stats, I was pretty sure the games he played a major part in (time) we completed an 11 game unbeaten run, at the time I remember the fitness question was put to bed and did not return until after a few games out. Point being during that spell people stopped questioning his fitness.
TwoMacaroons
Maybe Challs is robbing peter to pay paul as we speak.
Only a personal opinion bye the way :))
There has been much written and chewed over on the topic of what a ‘club’ is for the purposes of footbal Governance, but here is the essence, distilled from firstly the SFA’s Club Licensing rules, and secondly, UEFA’s Club Licensing Rules:
“Licence Applicant: The Licence Applicant may only be a football club, that is the legal entity fully responsible for the football team participating in national and international competitions and which is the legal entity member of the Scottish Football Association (Full or Associate Member).”
“Club: Legal entity fully and solely responsible for the football team participating in national and international club competitions which applies for a licence.”
One of the intriguing aspects of the Nimmo Smith Commission is the prospect of LNS reconfirming his view that the ‘undertaking’ bought by Sevco is the ‘club’, which is contrary to the above rules, while in the face of liability for sanctions, Green changes his mind and argues the opposite position.
We’ll see I suppose.
Vmhan,
Today’s news about him being dropped from the euro squad without replacement tells me he is not a managers fav, far from it, it looks like the manager/club is angling for constructive dismissal.
Chairbhoy, I believe going into administration and liquidation and not paying tax is different from illegally avoiding paying tax. It’s the latter Fifa are concerned about. The former is dealt with as part of other processes.
Chaplin, yes, that remains sound advice. Always an ace up his sleeve.
NatKnow, I know! To think they used the phrase “semi-literate”.
TwoMacaroons, I think Phil was flagging that the 22 million was not all fresh equity pumped into the Club by way of Share Issue. A huge chunk of it consisted of side deals and it looks like one of these deals has unravelled and Phil said this Asian Consortium were CONSIDERING applying for a winding up order to get their money back. Chuck flew out to Dubai next day, perhaps he is in negotiations with them perhaps he is seeking a replacement Investor, who knows? one thing for certain all is not what it seems to be at Sevco, they are still in big trouble.