The news yesterday that HMRC would appeal the decision by the First Tier Tribunal (FTT) to reject the part of their tax demand against former club Rangers which was still open to dispute was received by most with passing interest. The FTT returned a split decision, with the minority view giving HMRC substantial grounds for an appeal, and as we have heard often in recent years, HMRC always pursue tax under various circumstances. Reasons include when they believe wrongdoing has occurred.
As such, it seemed strange that The Rangers chief executive, Charles Green, issued a statement on the subject yesterday as the on-going tax dispute “will have no affect (sic.) on us”. He also wrote “in the strongest possible terms to HMRC pointing out the futility of such an appeal”.
If Green expects HMRC to read this letter and to countenance a change of tact he has a regard for his own abilities which are, frankly, a little curious. No mere mortal could write a letter and bring about any change in such a dispute, which leads us to another question, is Charles Green a mere mortal, or does his aim occasionally stretch beyond his reach? I’m sure we’re not dealing with a Self-Certified-Superman.
The point to this exercise is that while Green’s newco is not liable for another company’s taxes, his football club inherited the SFA place vacated by Rangers, including pesky football liabilities. Fifa and SFA rules on paying social taxes are clear – avoid them illegally and face disciplinary action.
As the matter is on-going, the football authorities have yet to issue any disciplinary action for the non-payment of taxes for the five players Rangers conceded to the FTT. Should the courts ultimately decide in favour of HMRC for the balance of players still being disputed, a fresh wave of disciplinary measures would be due against Green’s club.
Last summer we discussed how the toxicity which was attached to the club Craig Whyte inherited, and then relinquished in a worse state, would make going forward as a Newco with any connection whatsoever to the SFA membership of Oldco very difficult. Many, including the Blue Knights consortium, concluded it didn’t look viable.
It still doesn’t. Scottish football needs to consider how to deal with the long term consequences of these matters.
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TALLYBHOY
You been in EATALY in Torino?
Heard a few good things about it,mainly a pricey super-deli of “farmers’ market” type stuff,but has a few eateries too.
Try the Euro-lottery tonight,and when you win-TREAT YOURSELF.
Happy Birthday when it comes-I’m ignoring my next one……..
CANAMALAR
Every bit as bad as you say,still stuck in a sink-estate where her abusers are. That fact alone illustrates the importance attached to the case by the authorities.
Paul67
Can you do an article like this once a week just for me. It warms the cockles of my heart.
HH
The Token Tim
16:03 on 5 February, 2013
‘Ernie/BMCUW,
Not a fan of Brains, but the Felinfoel Celtic Gold and Celtic Pride are decent……’
Do they still do Double Dragon?
That was an excellent pint.
THE TOKEN TIM,EUROCHAMPS67
It’s not the nightoot that tends to be the problem-it’s the wayoot afterwards that’s difficult.
Like the Richard Pryor sketch about the burglars breaking into a house guarded by rottweillers-you’re welcomed in,but told-“You don’t leave……….”
Tallybhoy
16:03 on
5 February, 2013
Lot of talk about restaurants today.
It’s my birthday on Friday.
Anyone recommend a good ‘Italian’ – in Italy?
HH!!
Florence – The Trattoria Ponte Vecchio – Outstanding!
Neil canamalar Lennon hunskelper extrordinaire
16:18 on 5 February, 2013
Commons had an unbelievable start to his Celtic career. He played in 21 matches (18 starts) and scored 14 goals and 5 assists. He averaged a goal/assist every 81 minutes.
You’d have to go back to 2007 to cover a period over which Paddy has scored 14 goals in professional football.
Ki earned as over £6m. He is considered one of the brightest young talents to come out of Asian football. He was not totally comfortable playing for Celtic, I agree, and I don;t think time will show we saw the best of him. That season he scored 4 and assisted 7 times whilst playing 2383 minutes. Albeit in a deeper role. I think Paddy was more consistent in those 7 games than Ki tended to show, so I’m with you there.
But it would be very hard to have argued Paddy should have started before Commons (and I am more agnostic about Commons than many on here).
HH
TLK
The one , and only, time I attended a rugby international was Scotland v Ireland in the mid-1980s(?).
A business associate had been given 3 tickets by his company – a well-known confectionery firm – with pre-match hospitality in a 5 star(!) hotel in Embra. He invited me and his nephew and we had a lovely meal and a few drinks, and were then taken by coach to the game.
Must be honest and say that my mind was never really on the game – because on that very same day Celtic were playing Hertz at Tynecastle in the Scottish Cup, and from my seat I could make out parts of the ground.
Scotland won – but Celtic lost 1-0!
To make matters worse my 2 companions – both Embra natives, devout Catholics were also Hertz fans!
They both spent the night in Embra but I decided to head home, and had a fantastic train journey to Glasgow with the Irish fans – the drink was flowing! Dont remember much after that!
I think I got home on the Tuesday – I was still unmarried at the time.
Just as well!
HH!!
Paddy Turner.
Same steak in the chophouse for £23.
I have short leg’s , so leg room not a problem.
(:-)
TT
TLK,
It wasn’t hard to argue at the time and its still no, great stats for Commons happened at the expense of Paddy, nothing there to show what Paddy might have achieved had he been given the run we all agreed he needed.
Also with Ki, liked the guy when he turned up but 1in 5 was not good enough, would never have had Ki over Paddy in a month of Sundays.
In both cases IMO managers fav, form matters little.
@ ScottBrown8
Thanks very much for all the nice tweets. Cant thank you enough. A great day for me :)
the joy of seeing the club that i have grown up to despise,goes into liquidation,a tribute act is formed and put into the fourth tier, and then all that is (ass)ociated with the former,dont want any sanctions,financial or otherwise,but want to keep its history.paul67 i could go on,but suffice to say celtic is in my DNA how dare you ask…what’s it to you charlie? and if it wasnt for the other fine upstanding members of this club i would rescind my membership!!!!!!!! taxi
Tallybhoy
Once I started working through here I couldn’t believe the amount of Catholic Jambo’s. They appear to choose their team in Edinburgh on where they live in relation to the ground (local team) so to speak.
It is not uncommon to have fathers/sons/brothers/etc all supporting a mixture of Hearts & Hibs.
Strange lot through here. Except the Tims of course. I haven’t came across many Edinburgh based Rangers fans tho. I might just be lucky!
LB
Only been to rugby once – in Worcester Christmas before last. Got to the ground about an hour before kick-off for a few drinks. Guy with us for another round in during the 2nd half. More drinks purchased at half time and same guy nipped out during the 2nd half to get a round. Headed into one of the lounges after the game to get a drink and order a taxi.
Met up with the wife back in town to go for a meal. I too was unmarried for a wee while until the wife saw the funny side of my somewhat slurry, heavy Glasgow accent trying to order Tiger Beer from the Thai waiter who was more used to mid-Englandshire accents.
Couldn’t tell you if I enjoyed the game but I got some dirty looks for cussing the ref.
S
can anyone recommend a good Italian in Turin ?????
TALLYBHOY
I think that was 87,I was staying just outside Newcastle at the time. Couldnae see either match due to the pub I was in not having a telly.
Was told in no uncertain terms that I was there to drink-if you want to watch the telly,go to Rumbelows.
I always liked the Geordie attitude to a dayoot……..
Chatted with Neil Lennon a couple of years back. He asked me which 1 player I would hate Celtic to lose. Kayal was my answer.
What about you? I asked him……Ki was his answer….the most naturally gifted player in the squad at the time he said….never ever saw it myself mind you
Tallybhoy
16:03 on 5 February, 2013
Lot of talk about restaurants today.
It’s my birthday on Friday.
Anyone recommend a good ‘Italian’ – in Italy?
HH!!
La Rosetta near the Pantheon in Rome, take yer credit card……………
31003
Kayal has so far not fulfilled his early promise.
Ki is a wonderful talent.
I always liked him better than Kayal.
Infact Kayal has been a big disappointment for me.
Ki will move on to a bigger club than Swansea.
TT
TinyTim
Ki has just left a bigger club than Swansea! Do you think he will be gutted he didn’t play a part in this European run? He should be!
LB
Wait a minute .
Hold the bus.
I wanted to grind his hehaws when he missed those 2 headers against the Jambo’s at Hampden .
TT
Livibhoy
During the 1973/74 season I attended college in Edinburgh and was very pleasantly surprised at the number of Hoops fans I encountered among the local indigenous population!
Lots of jambos and hibees as well – but very few huns!
HH!!
HH!!
Looking for anyone lucky enough to get an away Juventus ticket in the ballot, got my flights booked but no ticket!!!
Anyway with a ticket not wanting to go Im def interested
Bazza
Anyone that shoould be!
Neil canamalar Lennon hunskelper extrordinaire
Done a wee bit more digging. Commons and McCourt have NEVER started in the same team together. It is a fair assumption to say the manager will only ever pick one of them.
I believe the stats I produced for Commons in 2010/11 would make him pretty undroppable.
During 2011/12, Commons suffered from sendings off and injury and was not as available. Between 21st Aug and 14th Jan Commons only started 4 games and was subbed on them all. McCourt started 2 matches in that time. The manager preferred combinations of Forrest, Hooper, Stokes and Samaras in attacking areas. Kayal, Ki and Wanyama were regular in centre mid, with Ledley/Mulgrew moved around to accommodate the loss of Izaguirre / provide natural left footedness on the left.
I am not sure there is a consistent favourite above McCourt albeit an on form Commons will always be picked ahead of him. I just don’t think he fits, or is better than, the other players available for the attacking midfield and wide positions.
What we don’t know is how he is at training, how he gets on with the other players and the manager, and the myriad other issues that might be at play including fitness statistics.
I like Paddy a lot, and it is a shame it has not worked out.
HH
TLK
Old sevco WILL lose next time around. They WILL be guilty! They WILL be receive a very substancual Fine. They WILL lose the league titles they CHEATED to win. They WILL crack up. They WILL cry their eyeballs out. (I can’t wait hee! hee!) …and they have BLACKENED the great name that is SCOTLAND. I sincerely hope from the bottom of my heart that they will be expelled permenantly…or …finance destroys those evil ones forever.
YOU’LL NEVER WALK ALONE.
Leathalboot…
Rugby – was once tricked into going to France v Scotland in Paris (was working there) – felt like a complete alien amongst them – the Scottish Rugby lot. The game itself was effin awful. Complete waste of a dayout. Hated it so much,
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Was at the England game a few years ago, same as you, hated it and did feel like an alien
Never going to a rugby game again
Hail Hail
TinyTim
15:20 on 5 February, 2013
TheTokenTim
Arrange a minibus and take your party to The Chop House at The Champany .
It’s about 25 mins in a Car from Murrayfield.
I travel 45 mins there and 45 back from my home in Leven, almost every week.
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Cheers for the heads up due to take the wife out some time.
bazza67
have you missed out in the draw? i didnt realise the email had been sent out yet
The token tim @ 1616
I know her – she’s my niece!
How did you know?!
HH!!
Anyone recommend a good beef olive butcher in Bahawalpur?
I see the bigots are starting an anti Rod McKenzie pogrom now, next thing Sally will demand to know what Pubs or Restaurants he frequents.
The problem with Paddy is that Lenny has not got the courage to play a roving player.Paddy should be in the team and told to follow the ball and make things happen,if we cannot allow this freedom to our most natural gifted player then we truly have problems.The SPL standard is very poor but our manager insist on playing negative midfield players.Have a look at the pool of players from other SPL teams,they are free transfers from the bottom rungs of English football,scots that couldn’t make it elsewhere and young boys starting out on their career.
DontPatmadug
15:52 on 5 February, 2013
Oldfirmfacts @Oldfirmfacts1
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What is this “Oldfirm” you make reference to? Died with thems.. ;)
Anyone recommend a good KFC in Wishy?
Embdy think this will be a balanced discussion :o)
@GrahamSpiers: Kenny McIntyre with SPL CEO Neil Doncaster, Gordon Smith and me on Radio Scotland ‘Sportsound’ from 6.10pm this evening. @bbcsportsound
http://www.heraldscotland.com/sport/opinion/spiers-on-sport-can-ally-mccoist-go-the-course-with-rangers.1360084136
Coincidence that he publishes this story today?
Naw, but there’s a cracking wee Puffin Pie shop on St. Kilda.