A journalist, banned by Celtic, attacked the club in the Daily Record today, suggesting the SFA chief exec Stuart Regan should have told Peter Lawwell to ‘wind his neck in’ and ‘remind him of his duty to the game’ after he wrote asking for clarification after Sunday’s game.
The hyperbole was raised to the extent the notion “Lawwell dragged our game back into a very dark place – somewhere dangerously close to disrepute” was put into hundreds of thousands of hands today.
A dark place, close to disrepute? For writing a letter asking for clarification? Sounds to me like the know the trouble Peter Lawwell is causing to the vested interests at Hampden and they want him stopped.
By remarkable coincidence, this happens to be the same journo who wrote the puff piece for SFA president, Campbell ‘What school did you go to?’ Ogilvie for writing to Uefa demanding a referee was demoted (while circumventing due process) and asking for a player to be banned.
No mention of winding a neck in or duty to the game for a vastly farther reaching letter.
The same paper gives a platform to Barry ‘EBT’ Ferguson to level wholly inaccurate accusations against Celtic:
“By questioning the reasoning behind [the failure to award a penalty]in the name of their supporters, they were nodding towards all manner of hoary old conspiracy theories.”
Conspiracy you say, Barry? Who mentioned conspiracy? An explanation that the standard of refereeing is not good enough and that having 6 officials at Hampden hindered good decision making didn’t occur to you?
Some people are quick to deny conspiracies when a far less controversial response is available.
A concerted campaign has run for days now to ensure that Celtic cannot ask questions without being demonised. When the media demonise those who question authority we are in a very dark place indeed.
This is intolerable. It would not happen in England, where the breadth of media is wide enough to escape narrow seams of authority. It doesn’t matter if it is the government, the Church, the police, big business or sport, if media collaborate with power, you have problems.
Some of it comes from people perhaps bitter that Celtic called them out and banned them, some from those unable to find perspective or consistency between writing about a Campbell Ogilvie letter and a Peter Lawwell letter. All of them are time-served opinion formers who make money from Celtic’s actions.
We are the last superpower in the game, survivors in the battle of the ages. This antagonism isn’t going away. Not until their grandchildren are in place, anyway.
Clubs need to write letters when improvement is needed. I hear estimates that income to Celtic from winning the Scottish Cup would have been in the region of £1m. Football is big business and processes and resources need to as good as they possibly can be. If they are not, the very least you can do is ask for improvement.
On Meekings appeal yesterday….
The player’s appeal was right to be upheld, the case should never have been put before the SFA panel in the first place. The referee Steven McLean saw the incident. That was not disputed. He asked his assistant for his opinion. That was not disputed either.
Meekings representatives pointed out at the hearing that officials are not allowed to re-referee a game after watching TV. This is a central tenant of the game and was accepted by the judicial panel.
Retrospective action is only allowed for incidents which referees did not see. It is not permitted for referees to reconsider an incident he saw. It is blindingly embarrassing to our game that the SFA didn’t know the rules well enough before taking this action. I hear there was incredulity at Celtic when they heard Meekings was banned in the first place.
…… and you wonder why Celtic write letters.
Last call for the Ben Nevis Huddle……..
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GlassTwoThirdsFull
15:27 on
24 April, 2015
So why were they able to ban Derk Boerrigrer for diving.
The ref saw that incident – he gave a penalty!
*because tanner and the wee tail of the bank soul seller demanded it.
Tontine …. mentioned this above …. DB did not contest his charge…. I agree that there are still jurisdictional issues, but if no one raises them, then the charge will go through as admitted.
Scotland? Institutionally racistt.
The DR really has it in for Celtic and it certainly seems to be a coordinated effort.
For example a Record headline screams “Celtic bad boy……..” and immediately draws the attention, however the crux of the story is about Andre Blackman who currently plays for Blackpool and stole a jacket.
Blackman’s professional footballer CV reads……Bristol City, AFC Wimbledon, Celtic, ICT, Plymouth Argyle, Dover, Maidenhead, Blackpool.
Why pick Celtic out of that list?
Is there a concerted effort afoot?
http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/scottish-news/celtic-bad-boy-andre-blackman-5573648
Neganon2
Without a shadow of a doubt!
mike in toronto
15:51 on
24 April, 2015
Tontine …. mentioned this above …. DB did not contest his charge…. I agree that there are still jurisdictional issues, but if no one raises them, then the charge will go through as admitted.
*although disappointed with this I believe that Rony questioned him about it and he admitted to diving……..see what honesty gets you.
Sorry but I just can’t agree with the argument that Meekings should not be punished because the officials saw the ‘incident’ but not the handball.
Officials see incidents all the time but perhaps not what actually happend. A dive for example is punishable retrospectively, why not deliberate hand ball.?
Mike in Toronto
Hi Mike hope all is good over the pond.
read 2 good books of his/Ed Herman.
1.Political Economy of Human rights volume1.Washington connection & 3rd world fascism
2 Political economy of Human rights volume 2 After the cataclysm .
I know you like your reading,they are heavy but link clearly US foreign policy and terror.
Manufacturing consent and the propoganda model i have not been able to take seriously since the towering intellect of Vungaard Berrz used it to show how the meeja wur anti cheats cos it jeest wiz haha.
:-)
HH
A while back a poster listed a comprehensive list of the ‘honest mistakes’ against Celtic, has anyone got access to this? if so could they repost it. Cheers CB
Vespacide (sounds like a medical application) I was a Lambretta mhan masel :o)
“To learn who rules over you find out who you are not allowed criticize.”
Voltaire CSC
NegAnon2
15:54 on
24 April, 2015
Scotland? Institutionally racistt.
incorrect.
you may have an arguement about the SFA.
HH
Glass Two Thirds Full @ 15.42
No problems. Great minds and all that!
An Tearmann
Try a golf club or bowling club. Mention your foreign internet handle. See how welcome you feel.
Anti-Irish racism flourishes in Scotland.
An Tearmann
16:02 on
24 April, 2015
Mike in Toronto
Hi Mike hope all is good over the pond.
read 2 good books of his/Ed Herman.
1.Political Economy of Human rights volume1.Washington connection & 3rd world fascism
2 Political economy of Human rights volume 2 After the cataclysm .
I know you like your reading,they are heavy but link clearly US foreign policy and terror.
Manufacturing consent and the propoganda model i have not been able to take seriously since the towering intellect of Vungaard Berrz used it to show how the meeja wur anti cheats cos it jeest wiz haha.
:-)
HH
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Failed States was a great read too
murdochbhoy @ 15.56
This won’t change until they are banned from Celtic Park.
HERBO
AN TEARMANN would be welcome to mention whatever he likes. And his big pal MCTALL would back him up.
Fourteen feet high between them!
an tearmann @ 15:40,
You are spot on, once again a major fault line appears to shake the Scottish game and BBC Scotland’s “top” sports journalists are not interested in examining the merits and impact make it some sort of parochial joke.
The only solace this brings me is it was this jocular, hubristic, old boys idiocy that helped lead to Rangers insolvency.
Hail Hail
BMCUW
Sounds good. Ask him to be ma mate cos I’m only 5 fit 6 :-)
” I think the answer will be that Boerrigter did not contest the charges. The question is who advised him not to contest them.”
Mike in Toronto,
Not true.
Aluko contested his charge of diving for the huns and was still banned.
Barry Ferguson?
What credibility does he have with anything to do with Hampden?
Is that not the player who was giving the Vicks like a big wean because he wasn’t playing due to being banned for drunken behaviour in a team hotel in front the public?
As he paid back his ebt ‘loan’ yet?
Is the Daily Record going to ask the Hunchback of Notre dame to ghost write an article on posture?
On the topic of the establishment:
Has the latest addition to our royal lizard overlords hatched yet?
Can’t wait – I need a new tea towel…
Next season Hearts will only be giving us 2 sections of the Roseburn stand. They are selling season tickets in the other sections of that stand.
Looks like Dr Budge got the desired result after the Celtic match this season.
She challenged the Hearts support to fill the ground so that away fans would get less.
It has worked and she is going to have more Jambo’s in the ground which will help the team and swell the coffers.
We have been used as an incentive to fill her ground more often and give her club a financial and numerical advantage.
This woman is not daft.
Think again when this mob is back on the slide about filling their ground for them.
LB
The timeline bothers me.
Sunday. Obvious handball. Nothing given.
Monday. After speaking to officials at game (I assume) no one sees a handball.
Tuesday. In light of this the CO gives Meekings a one match ban.
Thursday. At the appeal the story now is Muir actually did see it but claims he thought it hit his head.
So the bottom line is someone is telling lies.
Personally I think they’ve been trying all week to think of the best way to get out of this mess and it’s only going to backfire on them.
Isn’t it amazing that when the Judicial Panel verdict was announced there was no text of the decision, but that the BBC’s Chris McLaughlin could write that he “understood that the panel considered the action by the referee was an honest mistake”. This was the only pseudo-explanation available at this time.
So someone briefed McLaughlin after the event. Who? Why?
The official text of the ruling makes it clear that since the referee saw the incident and decided to take no action, then the Panel has no alternative than to rule that the SFA should never have banned Meekings in the first place.
All of which opens a up the can of worms that the SFA have been sitting on.
When the SFA’s initial post match reaction to the “incident” was so criticized did they decide that they had to be seen to be doing something to divert attention?
Did they ban Meekings with the full knowledge of the referee’s report which would have made it clear that he HAD seen the incident, together with his assistants? This would mean that any appeal to their banning of Meekings would automatically be overturned, and they would have known this. Thus, they would have some (very implausible)deniability for the actions of their officials during the game and for their initial response after the game, leaving a frustrated Timmy fuming on the sidelines but with nothing he could do.
An Official Statement might read…
“We banned Meekings as soon as we saw the footage. We thought the offence was serious enough for that action. We have simply let due process wind it’s way through the system, and we are satisfied that we have acted in good faith throughout. The system allows for an appeal, which has been allowed and the matter is now closed.”
Are they just incompetent? (rhetorical Q)
Are they also conspirators? (rhetorical Q)
Have they stopped laughing yet?
NoDoormat CSC
An Tearmann …. I think NC is probably the brightest bugger of this century, and up with the greatest thinkers in history. A man of staggering genius… I had the chance to meet him once, and was struck by, not only his intellect, but also his humanity….
I often throw the word ‘hero’ about …. for example, for KoK… but NC is one of those for whom I really should reserve that term.
PS… you get bonus points … no one ever made me laugh discussing NC before. Well done!
And I love the gnomes!
The Playoffs are going to be a laugh. An absolute joke.
Herbo
16:09 on
24 April, 2015
An Tearmann
Try a golf club or bowling club. Mention your foreign internet handle. See how welcome you feel.
Anti-Irish racism flourishes in Scotland.
only if you let it
only if you do not dissent it,
I do not doubt you would adhere to both,as i would
Statements like yours and neganons are broad sweeps
its easy to do that
sure is that not what British power did to the irish,jokes etc.
I dont enter into a debate that is confined by british say so
nothing is static mate,and things are improving.
the irish are far more dynamic.
work still to be done tho.
‘foreign internet handle’ Tearmann meaning sanctuary in both irish and Scots gaelic.
its been kickin bout here for a millenium and more on the irish side,but i take your point if you adhere to the linguistic innuendo of the west of Scotland.
hope your well mate
hail hail
http://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/sport/football/hearts/hearts-cut-away-end-allocations-for-next-season-1-3752960
Article for Hertz next season for anyone interested.
LB
Wee Dawwell at Hampden still working on the death threat tweet no doubt,all about the timing…
Livibhoy
15 48
Thank ghod I dont stay in a village :0)
Keep asking questions Celtic.
Keep asking questions.
frannyb67
Ahhhhahahahahaaha
LB
LB
Thumbs up mhate HH
So, we should have just accepted the bigoted decision to ignore the fact that it was a stonewall penalty, clearly visible to all…….bless them
is this possibly part of an agenda to divert Celtic’s attention away from successfully challenging for trophies etc ……..? ….the timing is ‘revealing’…..
An Tearmann
Thanks for a nice reply there. I suppose I get a bit cynical at times. In my line of work casual racism is an everyday occurrence. That’s from supposedly educated sorts too.
I do agree things are far better than say 20 years ago, but still it’s still bad. Of course, it’s just ‘banter’ now. No-one really means offence. Apparently.
frannyb67
It’s a hand full of thumbs in some Scottish villages.
LB
NatKnow
15:35 on 24 April, 2015
“The panel considered that as the incident (but not the actual alleged sending-off offence of handball) had been seen by one or more of the officials it was not entitled to consider the matter further. ”
We were told the reason that the compliance officer raised a complaint was that the incident was completely missed by the ref and/or assistant refs. Maybe what they mean is that they saw it, but failed to mention it in the match report.
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Now there’s a point.
If the referee saw a possible penalty and had to ask his assistant if it was a penalty, would that not go into a match report…..?
PeteC, your optimism is admirable.
Nothing will change an association that thinks it’s purpose is supporting a single club.
They see us as the enemy within.
I still want outta this place.