Where is this relationship going?

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Signing young players on loan has worked well for Celtic in the recent past: Patrick Roberts and Odsonne Edouard, being good examples.  While others, like Charly Musonda, failed to make the grade.  Musonda had talent (you remember that chip against Zenit), but he never looked up to the physical challenges of the professional game.

When Celtic sign the likes of Timothy Weah on a short-term loan, our initial thought is, “Where is this relationship going?”  Will the loan be extended, as it was for Roberts, or end in a purchase, as it did for Edouard, or will this be a one-off gig?

Weah appears to have abundant talent but his chances of breakthrough at PSG are limited.  Mbappe, Neymar and Cavani head an illustrious list of strikers at a club always looking to add to their squad.  It is more likely that the Paris club will look to build Weah’s value at Celtic in the hope of earning an inflated transfer fee.  This practice is how all tier-one clubs operate and underpins their Financial Fair Play credentials.

It is important for Celtic to build a squad – to manage our assets.  The try before you buy model, used effectively with Edouard, works well in this regard.  Building relationships with PSG or Man City, who know their players can gain necessary experience and appreciate in value, means we remain a valuable option for future deals.

But we also need to win football games, irrespective of more strategic concerns, even if there is no long-term relationship with the player.  Sometimes it is OK for a relationship not to last beyond the summer.

Welcome to Celtic, Timothy.

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  1. SETTING FREE THE BEARS FOR RES. 12 & OSCAR KNOX on 8TH JANUARY 2019 8:38 AM

     

    FAN-A-TIC

     

     

     

    I remember the exchange and you might remember my reply that there was a cosy trinagle of transfers going on between RB Leipzig, RB Salzburg and a lower tier (2nd???) Austrian club, I think Ingolstadt, from memory. And, surprise, surprise, it turns out that this lower league club was also owned by Red Bull. On TransferMarkt, these were described as transfers, rather than loanees returning, which is a slightly more common practice , which Chelsea use with a Belgian feeder , I believe.

     

     

     

    That’s what I meant by privileged.

     

     

     

    I accept, from their recent sporting performances, that there is no overt agreement to produce sporting results that favour the group but that is not the only way in which corrupt practice can flourish. If there is an arms length seperation of these clubs activities, you would not expect that so many transfers would occur from Ingolstadt to Salzburg and from Salzburg to Leipzig (eg Kampfl). Of course, Mane’s fee reached a level which was too rich for Leipzig, so they have got freedom to trade outwith the group.

     

     

     

    Like Scottish refereeing, I am afraid there “corruption” as I allege, is at a deniable level.

     

     

     

    Off to work now- catch replies later

     

    SETTIN

     

     

    Good analogy of Salzburgs privilege .This point i concur on.

     

    But this conversation was about proof.

     

    You said (Salzburg do so by the RB money and privileged position.)

     

    The financial record’s involving their transfers have shown that they are profitable in this regard.

     

    But your above response only offers your personal opinion and is not fact.

     

     

    You are one of the sharpest posters on this blog and often in your rebuttal’s to other posts you are quick to demand proof and if they can’t and only offer opinion you can be dismissive.

     

     

    Here is a response you gave to another poster in a debate over the Academy.

     

     

    (Well, no- not really. I am not the one with the onitial hypotheses here.

     

     

     

    It is you who must produce the stats of all first team graduates to the Academy over the years to show that a big club, such as Southampton, can produce 2 new academy graduates each year to mergee into their used first team squad.

     

     

     

    The small evidence I produced (which is, at least, evidence)

     

     

    Surely it’s unfair to demand proof from others but not set the same standard for oneself?

     

     

    To be clear i think your opinion on Salzburg may have merit.

     

    But at this point there is no proof.

  2. Paddy Roberts,is a decent winger,I’m sure he made his intentions known,that he wanted to go back to the Premiership,but in all kidding aside our club need to start seriously spending a lot of money on New players,not loanees,I’m sure it’s time the many on the board at Celtic,started to put there hands in there pockets,and splashed out on a few players,don’t keep leaving it to the ordinary supporters to keep propping up Celtic Football Club,

  3. SOUTHSIDE on 8TH JANUARY 2019 1:29 PM

     

    BIG WAVY on 8TH JANUARY 2019 1:19 PM

     

     

    Southside

     

     

    Seamus Coleman ??

     

     

    Can’t see it personally.

     

     

    Naw, a bit more obvious

     

     

    ——–

     

     

    McCarthy and the brillantly named defender Michael Collins ?

  4. Timbhoy2

     

    I 100% agree. Now is a special time where Celtic need to put in 25M which would see us out of sight forever. The problem is, of course, shareholders and CEO’s want a slice of what’s going. One season 25M and it will be sweet forever

  5. Clyne went to Bournemouth last week,Coleman is Everton first choice RB, and wibe on about 50k a week, absolutely no chance.

  6. A six month loan deal may not be fesible to perfect the inevitable boom boom boom boom, Weah Weah songs , however an additional 12 months may just suffice.

     

     

    HH Let the people sing.

  7. Weah junior was then asked if his famous father would be heading to Glasgow, and said: “Yeah of course.

     

     

    “He’s planning on it, the whole family’s planning on it.”

  8. The hands cant hit what the eyes cant see on

    “But we also need to win football games, irrespective of more strategic concerns, even if there is no long-term relationship with the player. Sometimes it is OK for a relationship not to last beyond the summer.”

     

     

    This is true. However, we are only in this position because of our poor transfer dealings over the last two windows. We are patching up a team with loan players during the most successful financial period in the club’s history. It’s difficult to make an argument that we have not made huge errors in our recent transfer policy.

     

     

    While there is time left in this window, our first two signings don’t appear to be rectifying our poor policy; I’m sure both players will make an impact (even if only allowing some of our exhausted players to get a rest) but we are only storing up more problems come summer.

     

     

    With three loan players due to leave at the end of the season, with numerous players out of contract and other players surplus to requirements, we could see as many as 10 (if not more) players leaving this summer.

     

     

    This is a pivotal time for the club and really, it shouldn’t be. Like a student cramming the night before the exam we have caused more stress and anxiety through our previous inaction than we really should have.

  9. traditionalist88 on

    When are the next round of TV matches likely to be announced, anyone know?

     

     

    Cheers

     

     

    HH

  10. At the end of another transfer window the only question should be have the club done everything within reason to give us the chance to continue our success?

     

    We fans will have varying opinions on this.

     

    Sometimes i feel our opinions are formed in isolation without knowing the reasons why certain types of transfers are made when others are not.

     

    The Bosman ruling while a fair and reasonable labour law has made growth and the transfer market difficult for all but the mega rich clubs.Look how Ajax’s brilliant youth policy has dwindled in success in such circumstances.They have done well in Europe this season but are going to lose their two best youngsters at seasons end to some financially bloated club.

     

    Lack of limitations on loaning players has only compounded such.

     

    Not a huge fan of our board for varying reasons but this landscape for a team in a small market like this makes success well nigh impossible in the international arena.

     

    Our financial dominance at home somewhat buffers us from the worst consequences of the corruption Scottish game but as they ramp it up and allow financial doping by a rival it is getting harder.

  11. Delaneys Dunky on

    Saint Tams

     

    Clyne is right back. BB just told me he went to Bournemouth.

     

    BB

     

    Is it a loan deal?

     

    I would pay the money to buy Nathaniel.

     

    I think he is a magical player both offensively and defensively on that right wing.

  12. GORDYBHOY64

     

    Yes Clyne signed same day as Solanko.

     

    Thought Clyne was maybe a sweetener in that deal as 18 million for a guy who couldn’t hit a coo’s erchie with a banjo seemed silly.

     

    Wondered if Bournemouth have not been swindled again like they were when they paid Liverpool about 14 million for Ibe

  13. SOUTHSIDE @ 1:08 PM,

     

     

    “Two Everton players in our sights – to buy?”

     

     

    MMMmmmmmm sounds expensive!!

     

     

    OOoooh… swappsies maybe!?

     

     

    Hail Hail

  14. The hands cant hit what the eyes cant see on

    @ FAN-A-TIC on 8TH JANUARY 2019 1:55 PM

     

     

    I agree that the current football environment will only mean that Celtic fall further behind the super clubs.

     

     

    However, I can’t agree that “this landscape for a team in a small market like this makes success well nigh impossible in the international arena.” Ajax, Salzburg and Anderlecht have all reached the quarter finals (or better) of the EL in the last couple of seasons. The opportunities are there for Celtic to do similarly (or at least consistently make knock out football in Europe- most likely in the EL).

     

     

    The problem is that it we do not appear to have the desire to do so. We ended the transfer window in the summer with just shy of net £40m in the bank, a net spend of zero and then sold Dembele for £20m.

     

     

    It’s difficult to plead poverty and an inability to compete (or even attempt to) with a backdrop to these figures.

     

     

    So poor has our investment in the team been that Stevie G’s Sevco are now breathing down our necks; progress in Europe is no longer a concern, our ability to win our domestic league is!

     

     

    I believe (as has been pointed out previously) that Stevie G has only accrued 3 more points in the league that Pedro and is on the same number of points as Warbuton. Therefore the fact the league is close this year is on account of Celtic lowering their standards, resting on our their laurels and inviting competition.

  15. Southside

     

     

    Davies has been mentioned and then I’m stuck as I have run dry on any knowledge of exotically named Evertonians….

     

     

    I am noting that neither appear to play in the RB or CH space though….

  16. Errors were made in transfer market in the summer, it’s been acknowledged by everyone including Brendan and Peter. If Brendan is happy with the 3 signings so far then we need to give them a chance. The two loans are fine and appropriate. We know there is a need for investment but let’s see what happens by January 31st before jumping the gun, it’s only the 8th today, plenty of time to go.

     

     

    If we fail to invest and the team suffers then all hell will break loose by the time we reach seaons end. I am anxious to see what steps are being taken to reduce the risk of failure but we need to be patient.

  17. Cheers Southside

     

     

    I know nothing of Davies and like McCarthy….

     

     

    Other than neither appear to be RBs or CHs ?

  18. The hands cant hit what the eyes cant see on

    @ FAN-A-TIC on 8TH JANUARY 2019 2:05 PM

     

     

    As in only viewing last summer’s transfer window? In terms of poor windows, I would extend it to last January and (arguably) the summer before as well.

  19. HANDS CANT HIT

     

    My above post was in response to your own @1-49.

     

     

    On Salzburg they have in my humble opinion a very good long term approach to players, scouting and coaching.

     

    Anderlecht i have no real knowledge of but Belgian clubs seem to have easier access to the African market due to immigration laws,

     

    Another way the rich clubs have favorable conditions in the UK as they can afford the fee for proven internationals while we have to take punts on unproven youngsters like Wanyama and Kouassi.

     

    Ajax as a i said have not seen the same success as previous decades with a very good youth policy.

     

    This season they have a good crop and have been excellent in Europe whereas in previous they had struggled to get past qualification stage.

     

    I agree we can do better and prioritizing the team over financials would be a start.

  20. DD- we have no chance of getting any EPL player, or about 60 % of Championship players. If guys like Clyne fall down the pecking order at Liverpool, Bournemouth, Burnley, and the likes ,will step in and match what he’s on ,or more with another couple of years on a contract. Minimum wage of the smaller teams will be around 25-30k a week before bonuses HH

  21. I would be happy to see young Tony R get a run at right back. He reminds me of a young Danny McGrain. He can shift and is hard as nails. I like the Bhoys.

  22. I said earlier that between now and June we should spend 20M to ensure our dominance forever. The trouble is shareholders and CEO’S like money too much.

  23. Another thing that could help in our long term plans would be a scouting and development strategy for coaches.

     

    If the proposal for allowing our reserves into lower leagues then this would provide an opportunity.

     

    Like it has for Barcelona and Real with their b teams coaches eventually taking over first team.

     

    If this does not happen then the Shamrock Rovers link up should be pursued at pace.

     

    To often a coaching appointment is made to quickly and with no thought of impact on overall club structure.

     

    Continuity and ideology should be a factor.