Mike Ashley’s petition for a Judicial Review of the processes the SFA followed when finding Dave King fit and proper to run a football club is a lightbulb moment. The decision, taken by the SFA board, was not unanimous. I am sure some pointed to King’s enormously controversial past and alerted supportive voices of the potential for trouble ahead.
The dissenting voices were voted down, but just like Heidi Poon, their unwelcome guidance will ultimately be found to be assured.
What Ashley has demonstrated is that anyone can ask for a Judicial Review. CQN’ers could ask for one into the scope, probity and remit of the Lord Nimmo Smith Commission, for example. I discussed this some time back with an advocate who suggested we hold tight.
The SFA and SPFL must tread carefully, they are no longer in control of events. It would be wise for them to wait until the Supreme Court appeal notification deadline passes before choosing any path.
In the meantime, whoever decided to fan the flames by launching the “no appetite” blocking strategy should calm the waters. There is enormous appetite to look into what many within and outside of Scotland are calling the biggest cheating scam in British sport.
People are angry right now, not at the cheating they have suspected for years, but at the authorities attempt at whitewashing.
There are demonstrations and boycotts being discussed. Millions of words have been written.
Groups of Celtic and Hearts fans are becoming unnervingly cooperative, good grief! See what you’ve done, Mr “No Appetite” man? Supportive understanding is NOT how I usually relate to Hearts, Hibs, Aberdeen, United or Dundee fans. Even Motherwell fans!
Before we get Labi Siffre records back in the charts…
Before the PPI industry start sending “Is there a Judicial Review you’d like to instruct” recorded messages to our phones….
A calming word from the SPFL, in the first instance, should be issued. All it needs to do is acknowledge the Court of Session verdict, and that the notification deadline for a subsequent appeal has not passed. This would commit to nothing, but it would also supersede the earlier attempt to whitewash, and perhaps allow some to get back to doing their day jobs.
For the record, a whitewash will simply not be possible. The fan-mechanisms, honed in 2012, are fired-up. We’re gonna do it anyway.
On Ashley, I’ve said this before about him, our enemy’s enemy is not our friend. Ashley has good reason to raise legal actions against those who subverted his interests at Newco, but he is not someone you or I would want associated with our football club. Those who campaign to remove his influence from their clubs (including Newcastle) do so with sound reason. Even if their tactics harm their club far more than Ashley.
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On that Telegraph piece: would it be too obviously disingenuous to say that Roddy has now gone down in one’s estimation?
Although I do notice the piece is timed at 11:40pm, so maybe TonyD is correct in suggesting it may have been penned under the influence of strong medication.
Or maybe it’s simply that Roddy is in the running for Grand Master at his local chapter/lodge …
VIP
Jungle VIP on 12th November 2015 8:40 am
Roddy protecting his shares in RIFC :)
Thetimreaper
Regardless, they took wages, never paid taxes, where not registered, and the people running the game, held back important evidence from a law Lord, or else the Law Lord was in on it? It’s a simple investigation, but not behind closed doors with colour coded names being banned about, it all has to be out in the open independent enquiry or who ever it is, no BS people where under the impression this was all above board, and it hasent been no stone should be left unturned, every club supporter here in Scotland is involved.
To let this be swept under the carpet is what will happen if all the clubs don’t get involved mark my words, they are betting that the storm will blow over and all will be well, a dangerous game I would say, I doubt if fans of Scottish clubs are that stupid to ignore this, I doubt it very much.
On reaching a wider audience:
I tweeted Mark Daly yesterday suggesting a re-run of ‘The Men Who Sold The Jerseys’. If this was done, say in the aftermath of no appeal and broadcast nationally, the game is up for all concerned.
Árd Macha
CANAMALAR on 12TH NOVEMBER 2015 8:28 AM
Big Nan has a very good and serious point about advocates, however BRTH should be WC’s first port of call to put him in touch with the same advocate who reviewed the Res 12 evidence.
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Has Resolution 12 evidence been handled well and timeously?
I stopped following progress a long time ago.
Appols. If already posted.
If anyone doubted the power of social media and bloggers in general , you maybe should think again, it seems the hierarchy at Scotland’s newest football team sevco 5088 have a problem with the public telling the truth about Rangers1872-2012 s cheating between 2001-2010 , the use of EBTS by the dead Rangers seen them win 5 titles and numerous cups , now there attacking bloggers and social media publicly in fact threatening them in a sly and sleekit way….
we’ve become accustomed to there way of operating , even the radio phone ins are running scared to mention the parasite of Scottish football, I like many bloggers have a message for you sevco we will never give up the fight to see your embarrassment of a club , whatever guise you want to be known as punished properly , it’s 4 yrs down the road and the campaign to out every gerrymanderer is just gaining momentum,the mere fact that Stewart Robertson Managing Director of sevco Had to release a statement today saying they would fight any accusations proves the fact the internet bampots are winning , you see the thing sevco don’t realise we want you gone , just like Rangers 1872-2012……
http://rangers.co.uk/news/headlines/rangers-international-football-club-statement-2/
They say for the good of Scottish football its time to forgive and forget but if you’ve read the statement the club made the other day in the light of the ebt result falling in favour of justice ,you’ll be of the mind to stick 2 fingers up at there arrogance it goes above and beyond belief the way they try to deflect any wrong doing from big brother and daddy rangers,make up your minds who actually are you sevco !!!!
some of the links ive added will provide you with the fuel to hopefully bring you onboard if your reading this,im one-off many bloggers who do this for the enjoyment of writing an article and seeing the response it gets,the sevco story tells itself there’s a wealth of evidence/ stroke information in social media that helped end rangers 1872-2012 and now Phoenix club sevco5088 are to be the webs next victim,you see while MSM are gagged and shutdown and news outlets are told not to speak of the establishment ,our voice is heard ,you can’t stop it and we wont go away..
https://stevenmcnamara4.wordpress.com/2015/11/04/time-to-strip-titles-as-hmrc-win-latest-ebt-appeal/
Rangers 1872-2012 thought they would administrate /liquidate be reborn and the whole of Scottish football out with the people would welcome them with open arms,oh how they were wrong ,David Murray bailed out at the right time and left his patsy Craig Whyte to take the fall for the wrongdoings of over 20 yrs ,Charles green picked at the bones of the club ,yet still they couldn’t and didn’t learn ,so death was inevitable,sevco5088 were born from the ashes of Scotland’s shame and old habits die-hard …there in as much trouble today as they were back in 2012…
ibroxdead2
of course they want all the tainted success that RFC had ,but none of the responsibility that comes with the territory,there as confused as a rabbit in the headlights,if the last few weeks are anything to go on Edmondson drive is going to be an uncomfortable place to reside and the halls of the bigotdome will echo to the sounds of utter confusion,the fans have no idea whats going on at the club …the reason they keep going back like sheep is their blind hatred of their neighbours across the city Glasgow celtic Scotland’s most succesful football team legally….
so in concluding my social media friends continue the push the drive to realise the justice that’s long been coming …………
HH GOD BLESS
Is the SFA a public body?
Is it subject to judicial review?
Having desperately scrambled for a technicality as to why the issue has to remain closed the propaganda machine turned to quislings and sell outs to blast out the even handed view that the matter is closed. Still faced with the return of the fans’ 2012 tsunami we are now having project fear dusted down. This will be the biggest mistake of all.
Strip the titles, ban Murray, Ogilvie and Dickson from football life, make it clear that expulsion of the club would be the only outcome had liquidation not happened, end the same club farce.
Then we all move on, including the current Rangers.
Big Nan,
the SFA are trying everything in their power and stuff not in their power to refuse to answer the questions. we are issuing a third letter (the second through a legal firm) to get them to respond on what they have done about the information they received with the first letter, they keep demanding the identities of those who supported the resolution. Looks like they have taken a leaf out of Ally’s book, ‘who are these people, I think we should be told’ rememeber that ?
If I were writing a book there would be a chapter called Project Fear.
Hate is not the opposite of love, fear is.
If we were to be philosophical for a moment Christians believe love never fails. My experience is that is true, but knowing what love is and what it requires is a life learning lesson. To keep the philosophy short – love requires patience but it also requires courage. It’s absence in the media which reflects a part of society is manifest.
So The Telegraph article like all of which we have been barraged with is a load of fearful tripe and this is why.
The fear of compensation is really a bogey if every club seeks it. Where will the money come from? Scottish football is a closed INTERDEPENDENT industry that, if it goes the full compensation hog, will just eat itself.
That just isn’t going to happen. Stupid as football is it isn’t that stupid. So it’s much more likely deals will be done that meet the need for sporting justice without commiting financial suicide.
That brings me to a simple question. Why is taking titles away in light of all the evidence they were dishonestly won by a means that required full registration details under the rules not to be disclosed in order to get the advantage SDM admits ebts were used for to remunerate players?
It’s not as if it is TRFC who risk losing the titles. They were won by RFC. OK same club poo comes in here but clearing up that mess of their own making is a nettle SFA and SPL need to grasp.
Is all this propaganda at the end of the day driven by the fear of a number of asterisks appearing in the football history books against trophies RFC “won”?
Why is that so terrible as it’s only official recognition of what every non TRFC supporter believes. Add to that that the same club believers will simply believe the titles were fairly won anyway and it really all becomes much ado about nothing after the loving decision is made.
So we need patience to give it time for that to happen and hope that authorities will find the courage to overcome their fear.
Ernie…,
Mike Ashley has answered that question with his petition for a judicial review, the SFA have publicised that are defending his petition for a judicial review.
Woof the, in wi the boots.
N LETTER TO LORD NIMMO SMITH
November 12, 2015 · by Ralph Malph · in Latest
Sir,
Upon your retirement in 2009, you perhaps looked forward to a well earned rest, maybe away from the glare of publicity, and a chance to spend some time with your family after a distinguished career in public service.
It appears that you are to be denied this.
In 2012 you undertook to chair an independent enquiry into whether or not Scottish Premier League rules were broken regarding the non disclosure of payments to players at Rangers football club between 2000 and 2011.
Based on the evidence you were given, and the instructions you undertook, you gave your verdict in February 2013.
I am in no way implying any sort of misdemaeanour, nor any kind of undue influence in reaching your conclusions, which I am certain you arrived at with enormous diligence and a genuine desire to deliver a verdict which was honest, transparent and final.
However, I wonder, if in light of recent events, you may find it neccessary to make a public statement.
What worries me is that, as with all reports of this kind, your good name and reputation, which you have spent a lifetime working for, will forever be tarnished due to association with the conclusions in your report.
You see, the report will always be referred to as “The Lord Nimmo Smith Report “.
By newspapers, on the radio, in television, and of course, by the general public.
I am concerned that the conclusions you reached, based on the evidence you were presented with, have now invalidated the report you have put your name to, in perpetuity, and a lifetime of distinguished service will be erased as you will forever be remembered as the man who delivered the verdict that “no sporting advantage ” was gained by the extraordinary payments scheme, when it has now been established that there was.
I feel it is only fair that you should uphold your right to reply, and publicly announce your own reasons for the conclusions you arrived at.
It is your name that is on the report. It is your name that will always be on the report.
Whatever else happens as this scandal develops, and when further questionable practices are revealed, I feel that you should move to explain the basis of your verdict, and allow the public, and perhaps more importantly, yourself, to at least be reassured that Lord Nimmo Smith should not be the first name that is recalled, and therefore forever associated, with what may yet prove to be the biggest sporting scandal, not only in British sporting history, but quite possibly in sporting history worldwide.
Yours, respectfully,
TD67
Well said. The so called ‘Internet bampots’ are the heart and soul of journalism, democracy and truth.
Ps. Can’t believe you didn’t sign that off with lurking Huns GIRFUY!!!
HH
I thought I was back at my own wedding there and the first reading was instead being delivered by Auldheid.
Mildly disappointed there was no mention of loud gongs or clashing cymbals.
I think U2 probably cover it better than Corinthians vis a vis the Scottish football establishment.
Love is drowning
In a deep well
All the secrets
And no one to tell
Take the money
Honey
Blindness
Love is blindness
I don’t want to see
Won’t you wrap the night
Around me
Oh my love
Blindness
Canamalar on 12th November 2015 9:01 am
they keep demanding the identities of those who supported the resolution
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It should be pointed out to them that the cheats wanted anonymity during the tax hearings! If they want proof then surely the Shareholder registration number should be sufficient to identify the shareholder as opposed to a name!
They can certainly have my nom de blog as my ID.
THETIMREAPER on 12TH NOVEMBER 2015 9:06 AM
TD67
Well said. The so called ‘Internet bampots’ are the heart and soul of journalism, democracy and truth.
Ps. Can’t believe you didn’t sign that off with lurking Huns GIRFUY!!!
HH
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I’m holding that on till Dec now, you’ll notice As well in the blog the last week, that’s because thems are back under the rocks they came out off, I’m sure you’ve noticed many not here who are in on a daily bases, I’v jotted a few down in my Hun book till the come back, so it’s pointless :))
Auldheid
I see you’re a comedian, as well as a philosopher:
‘That brings me to a simple question. Why is taking titles away in light of all the evidence they were dishonestly won by a means that required full registration details under the rules not to be disclosed in order to get the advantage SDM admits ebts were used for to remunerate players?’
I hope never to have to answer one of your more difficult questions …
VIP
:-)
Toady Forsyth not deterred by losing all his Oldco shares……we have all read some absolute shite through the cheating years,but RF’s drivel comes crashing into the Top 3.Worth noting,along with Dick Wilson’s misleading garbage,both work for the BBC
The National reporting Ashley to fight a resolution at RFC AGM with “dynamite” information in respect of the £5m loan. On TSFM site.
Surely the sevco mob need to pay the prize money back.
along with the cups.
CANAMALAR on 12TH NOVEMBER 2015 9:04 AM
Ernie…,
Mike Ashley has answered that question with his petition for a judicial review, the SFA have publicised that are defending his petition for a judicial review.
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The SFA are defending the action.
It will be for the courts to decide whether the action is competent.
So far as I understand it, judicial review only applies to public bodies and I’m not sure that the SFA is a public body.
There needs to be a single group that works with all clubs in Scotland, like fans against criminalisation
Pogmathonyahun…,
bottom line is, resolution 12 has been through the Celtic AGM and minuted twice in the Celtic AGM minutes, the SFA invited us to write directly to them, they made the request via the club secretary.
There is no legal requirement or SFA regulation that requires personal detail disclosure, I personally interpret the demand to know who these people are as intimidation, the SFA cannot hold water never mind protect sensitive personal details and we know how some people have been targeted, intimidated and assaulted.
The trick is, the SFA have had the tax report and advocates interpretation of the issues with his summary that there is a case to answer, irrespective of who provided this information the corporate compliance officer has a duty to investigate serious allegations supported with evidence. As yet we do not have any indication that any such investigation is under way which could be interpreted as a dereliction of duty, no ?
Ernie (on your question about Judicial review):
If you’re interested, there’s a good piece on Judicial reviews (in Scotland) here:
http://www.scottish.parliament.uk/Research%20briefings%20and%20fact%20sheets/SB09-75.pdf
Which includes the following:
‘In England and Wales the actions and decisions of private (as opposed to public) bodies are not usually open to judicial review. However, in Scotland the scope of judicial review is not restricted to the actions and decisions of public bodies and can extend to private bodies where certain conditions are satisfied.’
VIP
Ernie..,
So we’ll find out soon, eh
What about scottish supporters coming together and getting a united plan of action. They could then ,for instance, source a good PR company and give them the remit to publicise the scandal south of the border and beyond . Could enough money be raised to do this?
Send all the cheating dossiers to the Russian embassy,It might get a response.
macjay1 for Neil Lennon on 12th November 2015 3:43 am ,
You are absolutely correct in stating that our antics up in Dingwall will do nothing to enhance the broad church of Scottish club’s supporters required to challenge and confront the systematic cheating.
We need a broad consusus from all clubs, and to alienate ourselves in this way was the biggest own goal since our comedy one against Rennes.
I hope the perpetrators realise this, but to explain it would probably result in their brain cell exploding.
HH.
ITALIABHOY @ 7:08 AM,
Roddy Forsyth has form, I’m not the least bit surprised by this ridiculous article, the idea that if a Club won a trophy retrospectively, they would be liable for player bonuses but not entitled to any prize fund is nonsensical as is the whole piece.
He is the BBC’s Scottish Football correspondent, I.e. If there something going on in Scottish Football and say Five Live want to report it, Roddy Forsyth is the go to man, he has been spouting this rubbish as long as I can remember but it became worse, much worse at the time of the referees strike and then through the liquidation of Rangers with all it’s fall-out. He has run his pro SFA, pro Rangers and anti-Celtic agenda with a passion to match the most bigoted journalist (sic) in Scotland. It is paid for by the BBC and gives the SMSM a voice in England.
He is not to be trusted, as today’s article clearly shows.
The reason, all involved in the five way agreement must be hugely anxious about the outcome of the BTC and just want it to go away, the water under the bridge narrative will reach a crescendo because if the Scottish Football authorities and Oldco/Newco have to deal with the repercussions of the tax avoidance and follow on cover up, it could be immense.
As I pointed out last night as part of the five way agreement and for Sevco Scotland getting amongst other things, Rangers FC’s SFA membership, Sevco Scotland agreed to take on all of Rangers FC’s Football liabilities.
That means anything from taking away of titles and therefore the forfeiting of Prize money, to any fines levied for over a decade of tax avoidance and any sanctions/punishments that are due to Rangers FC will be visited on Sevco Scotland Ltd or The Rangers FC Ltd as they are now known.
The reason Sevco are so anxious and there many friends from the Football authorities, the media and beyond is that these sanctions will put Newco Rangers over the edge, the Oldco Rangers with the associated sanctions and liabilities both Football and otherwise will be so toxic no, third Rangers will want to touch it with a barge pole. That means the History myth, like Rangers MK I @ II will be obliterated IF and it’s a BIG IF – the tax avoidance issue is dealt with without fear or favour.
Hail Hail
I don’t think Scottish supporters should do a thing, it’s all been said the last week, the balls in they’r court, let’s see what the powers that be do, I’d keep my powder dry right now slagging off the SMSM in the discusting way they are handling it, as for the SFA/SPFL I would keep my cards close to my chest, and see who losses it, someone will, it’s a certainty.
If Dave King and the absurdly names Three Bears had any sense they would give Mile Ashley his money back. It’s a loan, pay it back and the conditions of the loan become redundant.
Makes you wonder why all of these rich men can’t scrape up £5M, doesn’t it?
Mick Ashley will have the best legal advice money can buy.
I really don’t see him going down the Judicial Review road unless he’s pretty confident about it.
Good morning Bhoys I see posters on CQN saying we should contact supporters of all football clubs to take the fight to the SFA and Rangers I think it should be broader than that every tax payer in the UK needs to know about there cheating and what it has cost the UK every MP in the house of commons should be lobbyed every MSP should be written to this if not the biggest ever tax scam in the UK is right up there.I see the SFA saying to Mike Ashley bring on the court case we will fight you all the way and coupled with the Rangers telling us to move on I can see it being an interesting period I believe the fight is now for the life of Scottish football. H.H.
Greenpinata and MacJay
I do not disagree with you but I believe that the reporting of events at Dingwall wildly exaggerated the reality of the situation. I am not sure what we can do about ridding ourselves of simpletons . They exist in Society so are bound to exist in football.
Have either of you heard the `protest` ? Did it warrant the coverage it got?
JJ
PS PLEASE do not see this as in anyway supporting the `protesters`.
I watched the game live and never heard a thing, some Celtic supporters just enjoy being holier than thou, especially the masonic ones.
I dont believe the black n tans should be remembered with respect
BBC the billy broadcasting corporation
Canamalar
Oh Dear.
Ostrichcsc.
Another thought worthy of consideration is did HMRC spend all the money chasing Glasgow Rangers through the courts just to win a point of principal ? I dont think they work that way and it will be interesting to see after the appeal date what there next move will be and one thing for sure they are not finished with Glasgow Rangers. H.H.