I’ve given Ann Budge appropriate levels of criticism this year but credit where it is due, she managed to get the ‘exclusive’ that James Anderson was a potential benefactor in waiting for Scottish football. Anyone who comes up with £2m for the game is entitled to break the news in whatever way they choose.
Unlike Budge, Anderson clearly understands how important it is to cultivate support in arenas you want to influence. He is now perfectly placed to do just that. Hearts fans can only wonder how their club’s fortunes would differ if he, not Budge, fronted their financial rescue.
£50k per club is generous and welcome at every one of the 42 clubs. It is easy to suggest Celtic should take the high ground and leave their portion in the pot, but that suggestion looks different if you dig into the grubby details.
Right now Celtic’s reserves are reducing by millions each month. We don’t want to, and are unlikely to, sell anyone of value this year, pay cuts have happened – and not just for top executives. That £50k might keep a couple of people in jobs. Alternatively, if it is put to altruistic use, it should top up the support the club gives to the Foundation.
There are times to be generous to smaller clubs, but it is ludicrous to suggest that the extra £1219 they would earn if Celtic declined their portion would make any material difference. It is a stupid idea, counterproductive and of value only as a vacant gesture.
We need to get ready for 10-in-a-row and Champions League qualification. The Foundation needs to continue its work with the most needy in our community and beyond – and we still need to sell season tickets. There is not enough money to do everything we will want to do in our own back yard.
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Take the money
If we’re burning through millions a month of cash reserves, I can only assume that someone has found a magic money tree at ibrox.
First time I have been first post
Not once in all my 60 years of following the team have they asked me to download a form, scribble in my details, put it into an envelope, address it, go to a post office for a stamp, send it to a PO Box and wait for my Season Ticket, my replica strip, my paradise windfall ticket, Celtic pools, Cup Tickets, Champions League package, or merchandise, wonder why? por cierto
BSR
As I usually agree with your posts ( but don`t on this matter), I would like you to respond to this:
“You don’t think Celtic have made the process much more difficult than it needed to be?” Hamilton Tim.
Por Cierto @ 12;26
Well put.
Por Cierto
How many times have Celtic offered a partial season ticket refund in the last 60 years ?
The software and administration procedures which have been refined and perfected for years to facilitate the transactions you describe, do not apply.
I don’t think posting off a claim form is a great hassle.
Everything is relative Paul. What % to Celtics annual revenue?
By all means take the cash, but publicly state it will be going to the Foundation,
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And you’re next task is to goto a bank and deposit the cheques, they couldn’t have made it more difficult😈
http://celticbynumberscom.ipage.com/did-jonny-be-good/
67 appearances and 8 trophies out of 8 and nearly as many positions played.
It has been an eventful 3 seasons at Celtic for Hayes – here’s my retrospective. Thanks
The Celtic refund system is all about Cashflow. Get the incoming ST money in as fast as possible and any outgoing ST refunds as slow as possible.
1. Download and fill out form.
2. Remember to go to PO to post said form after having an internal mental battle, this may last for days.
3. Form eventually arrives at CP ticket office.
4. Insufficient staff are available to process refund forms and agree repayment.
5. Cheque is issued and posted by 2nd Class post.
6. Cheque arrives at payee several days later.
7. Payee tries to find a branch of their bank that hasn’t closed down or is in fact closed to customers because of COVID-19.
8. Payee eventually posts cheque to Bank
9. Cheque eventually arrives at bank but letter is not opened immediately because of staff shortages, see COVID-19.
10. Cheque takes approximately 9 working days to clear.
cynicalbastardcsc
There are good and bad points around the Celtic refund offer. The fact that it is a straightforward cash refund makes us different from some other Glasgow clubs. But, yes, the need to obtain, complete, go and post a paper form then await a cheque to then take to a bank does seem a wee bit last century. And that’s without the COVID_social_distancing_essential_journeys argument.
Can’t remember the last time I wrote a cheque. Can barely remember the last time I received one.
Back to workin’ and lurkin’…..
Rangers launch ‘Rangers Online Academy’ platform to help coaches and teams around the world with training drills.
That’s it close season treble to SEVCO.
Ps,
Meant to say above process to take up to a month from start to finish.🙁
I’d imagine their are tax issues regarding the refunds as Celtic will need to claim back some VAT.
I don’t think it’s quite as simple as bacs transfer at the push of a button.
I’d be interested to know how Clubs in the EPL are handling this. I’d imagine they’re encountering similar issues.
FAVOURITE UNCLE on 5TH JUNE 2020 12:40 PM
Rangers launch ‘Rangers Online Academy’ platform to help coaches and teams around the world with training drills.
That’s it close season treble to SEVCO.
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* Even includes the highly successful, world renowned, Dubai Training Drill. 😉
PÓGMATHONYAHUN AKA LAIRD OF THE SMILES on 5TH JUNE 2020 12:36 PM
Sorry for being pedantic T, a cheque is valid for 6 months after date of issue. Cheques these days clear immediately.
Keep the Faith!
Hail Hail!
AN DUN
Do you think they don’t issue refunds via their online store?
They’ll have a system in place for that, only a matter of adjustment to use it for refunds on tickets por cierto.
AN DUN on 5TH JUNE 2020 12:43 PM
I’d imagine their are tax issues regarding the refunds as Celtic will need to claim back some VAT.
I don’t think it’s quite as simple as bacs transfer at the push of a button.
I’d be interested to know how Clubs in the EPL are handling this. I’d imagine they’re encountering similar issues.
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You’re surely having a laugh? Most businesses manage to give you a refund at the push of a button including the VAT.
LENNYBHOY on 5TH JUNE 2020 12:45 PM
D, I didn’t suggest that the cheque wasn’t valid for 6 months but take your point about the cheque clearing immediately once it has been processed.
Hope you are all well over in the ‘Brig.
A bespoke refund ain’t quite the same as a possible 55,000 unit refund. It would have to be managed.
I’ve little time for people complaining about having to fill in a form and post it.
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An Dun
`I don’t think posting off a claim form is a great hassle.`
Of course it isn`t ` a great hassle` but the overall feeling I get from Celtic`s handling of this is that they would rather we didn`t ask for a refund. That , from the business perspective, is fair enough. My complaint is that they seem to be going about in an underhand way. I havve gone through the process of asking ( and receiving) a refund form but i am still torn about thether or not to post it.
a) I want to help Celtic as much as possible;
b) I want Celtic toy do something about Res 12;
c) Celtic`s behaviour on these two matters ( refund and Res 12) is making my desire to `help` more difficult.
Don’t know about how much more hassle it is for some but filling in forms and posting letters is probably the most dangerous form of communication currently.
And, while P67 alludes that £50K might go to the Celtic Foundation, a very PR savvy link, it is very unlikely simply because of the PR savvy approach, usually implemented to mislead.
Hamilton Tim @ ages ago
I think , its important to acknowledge that Celtic are pledging every single ST holder a refund, every penny, for every home game cancelled, there is a least one other biggish club in Scotland, which hasn’t and cannot even though its the obvious and correct thing to do.
With Celtic ticket office staff furloughed, we have an online process which IMO is very easy, given’ windfall type payments’ won’t happen in many business’s or football clubs because of Covid 19. Filling in a form to identify yourself for a refund isn’t a hurdle, it involves thousands and thousands of pounds in an unexpected bill that Celtic have to fund, administer, facilitate and then pay out by cheque separately to season ticket holders. The Celtic and Sevco games were one offs and more easily refunded as the money involved is not entangled in season ticket money funding, which Celtic can justifiably say was spent a long time ago.
The gist of some posts read that, they had no intention of claiming a refund but because Celtic asked us to fill in a form to get the refund, they’ve made us claim it?
I suspect the dilemma of asking , or not asking for a refund is what really bothers some fans, not the fact that there is a simple protocol to be followed to get the money back.
Hot smoked @ ages ago
See reply to HT
I wonder, could the Plc be held responsible for exposing the refunderers to greater risk of exposure to coved-19?
Are they using this increased risk as a strategy to discourage claims, yes of course they are, meanwhile P67 posted a PR piece to justify money grabbing that sinks into using a separate business entity, a charity, as an excuse, I’m surprise there was no “why won’t they think about the children” thrown in there for good measure.
I dont think that it can be argued that Celtic are making it more difficult than it should be to receive a season ticket refund…I have already paid mine for next season with little idea of what I’m receiving for my hard earned cash.Celtic have played on the fans dare I say loyalty hoping that they would forgo a refund which I’m sure many will do but not everyone myself included has large sums of throwaway cash reserves…I used to use the 4 payment option can imagine Celtic’s response if I asked if it would be alright to ” keep the funds :in my household.
I spend a fairly large percentage of my income on following Celtic and it used to annoy me when I was encouraged to “use the heid beat the stampede” to buy overpriced low quality food and drink.In other words stop watching the football and go and buy a secondary product.
CANAMALAR IT LOOKS LIKE OCD OBSESSION on 5TH JUNE 2020 1:23 PM
It’s a risk to staff primarily.
Handling envelopes and forms from thousands of different households.
So, according to yesterday’s report in The Athletic, Celtic has decided to pursue long-term targets who have been watched in person. So who are Celtic pursuing for LW?
Moi Elyounoussi is the obvious primary target.
Who else? As I can remember:
Niclas Eliasson (in the final year of his deal at Bristol City)
Jordan Ibe (free agent)
Gyrano Kerk of Utrecht
Other guys who have been linked but probably don’t meet the profile:
Michael Olise – youth player at Reading
Thomas Robert – Montpellier youth player and son of Lauren Robert
Rodrigo Riquelme – Athletico Madrid youth player. Generally plays on the right but has played on the left and as a number 10.
Any I’ve missed?
Perhaps things were simpler in the old days when Desmond White’a name appeared on match tickets under the legendary ‘No money refunded under any circumstances’.
Is it not possible to complete the form on your computer and send it by email ? Or just email them the information they need.
HT – am good, thanks
Nothing like a bit of healthy debate on the pros and cons of the system adopted for refunds. It’s a broad church on here and is reflected in the responses.
Take care all.
wtf should celtic be treated differently to everyone else?
I’m lucky that I can say to Celtic to keep my refund,or they can keep it to give me another season off Celtic T V,also again fortunate to renew my season ticket,also if it helps us achieve 10 in a row,
See all this Philanthopry for Scottish football, one thing nags away to me, if the ever so generous guy has previously donated £millions to Hertz, is it not against FFP rules in some way ?
Is it also against normal acountancy rules to be a benefactor to a business without taken a share or a position ?
What stops any of the super wealthy “donating ” to their clubs via a 3rd party ?
And aye, Celtic could make the refunds process online and immediate, they just havnt tried hard enough.
PÓGMATHONYAHUN AKA LAIRD OF THE SMILES on 5TH JUNE 2020 12:53 PM
All good in County Coatbridge. Hope you are all well in Forres.
Keep the Faith!
Hail Hail!
QUONNO @1:35pm
That was the good old days😩