When Duff and Phelps put their initial deadline in place for bidders for Rangers back in March, Celtic Quick News took the view that Craig Whyte was the only show in town and that any successful bid for the company’s assets would have to come from him or his proxy.
We didn’t know who his proxy would be then and we are still not sure – although we could have a pretty good guess.
Place the current SPL and SFA dramas aside for a moment. If a deal is done to allow a Rangers-Newco to apply to play football next season the new ‘owner’ will be a Craig Whyte appointment.
If this unfolds in the days to come, I fully expect the SFA will take a very long time to consider any Fit and Proper questions, and I expect the SPL board will vote 4-1 to allocate a share in the league to the Newco.
Celtic, united with their own fans, and fans of the Gang of 10 clubs stand in one corner. The boards of the Gang of 10 want Rangers-Newco money too much to object. Don’t even count on Newco being subject to the penalties discussed at yesterday’s meeting.
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So precedents have been set and the newco will be straight in, scandalous!
RobinBhoy
pintaguinness on 1 May, 2012 at 12:35 said:
The gang of ten don’t care about being cheated year after year by rangers.
They don’t care that they have lost out on trophies over the past twenty years.
They don’t care that they have lost millions of pounds worth of revenue to a corrupt league.
They will welcome a debt free rangers into the league.
The gang of ten are a rangers protection racket.
I feel sorry for the fans of these clubs for buying into this.
If the ole Thai Tims are raising the curtain at 7.10 will there be anyone on time at the Gazebo?
Anything different today or is it still the,weather here there or everywhere,last nights Rioja or the Huns and Liqidation
If not its back to shaun the sheep or Cairneys book The Sevenpenny Gate
weeminger on 1 May, 2012 at 12:42 said:
”What I’d do is boycott away games and non-home cup games”
No you won’t.
Not if you’ve been in the habit of going.
And not if Neil Lennon says he wants fans to back the team (which he will).
If a newco is allowed in, it’s over and it will be too late to do anything about it.
The games up lads forget it.
Neil Doncaster said last night that the meeting was cancelled and he said tensions are running high so let’s see what comes out of ibrox within the week he said.
Here what fat Sally says below today and with Doncaster’s comments it makes sense now.
McCoist – Very hopeful that there will be positive news with a preferred bidder, certainly this week. We can’t afford to go on any longer.”
Haven’t been on or even lurked for a while, Twitter is now my new media of choice. It’s starting to become clear that the longer this goes on the better the outcome for ‘them’. New rules/regulations,every meeting adjourned to a later date and all in the best interests of ‘them’. Would the same happen to any business anywhere else? I doubt it but this is 21st century Scotland, so move along timmy and keep your mouth shut. It doesn’t matter how the SFA/SPL dress it up, its all being done to pander to the establishment club, irrespective of crimes committed. Sporting and moral integrity? Not deemed important in this land. Money and sponsorship? The be all and all it seems. I reckon the only thing to derail the efforts made to save ‘them’ will be the outcome of the FTT. If it goes against them ,which surely it MUST,then no action from any organisation will be able to keep ‘them’ or any newco in the SPL. Worrying times, hardly surprising,but that’s what paranoia does to you after 40 years on this planet.
Hail Hail
RobinBhoy on 1 May, 2012 at 12:43 said:
”Reply to my E-Mail from David Ogilvie at the SPL”
Is he related to Campbell Ogilvie at the SFA?
I think that the EBT/ two contracts outcomes will change some of the mindsets here.
At the moment all of this is seen as a financial issue. It’s about debts, a badly run club, the actions of its owners, administration.Take your pick.
But when it comes out that they club systematically cheated on a massive scale, effectively fielding ineligible players in every game for a decade, then it becomes a footballing issue. We are not talking about helping out a club that has fallen on hard times but one that systematically cheated every club in the country for many years.
It may be pie in the sky, but while I can see how clubs can vote in favour of a bankrupt club I find it difficult to see how they can support the biggest cheats in football’s history.
Did Italian football resist calls to punish Juventus for match fixing because they are too big? Did athletics back off from punishing the Olympic 100m champion? Let’s hope that UEFA can persuade Scottish football to deal with its cheats in similar fashion.
How long is it now since the Killie game at ibrox and their songs of hate? Compliance Officer seems to be too busy with Celtic.
Several OL players could be punished for participating in offensive chants aimed at the club’s rivals after their Coupe de France triumph in Paris at the weekend.
The trophy was presented to the fans outside the team’s hotel as thousands of supporters gathered. Several players including Cris, Maxime Gonalons, Alexandre Lacazette, Samuel Umititi and Jimmy Briand could face punishment for joining in on the chants that were offensive to their rival club.
According to Goal.com France, Saint-Etienne president Bernard Caiazo stated: “It is the duty of the players and officials to be respectful and not do something that can lead supporters to misbehave.
“It is quite undignified, I do not understand it. There are some big derbies, like Manchester City v Manchester United … you cannot imagine that the players [from these clubs] start singing these type of songs.
“We, the Saint-Etienne officials, players and fans are shocked.”
Caiazo added that he will appeal to the LFP in an attempt to resolve the matter. Meanwhile, Jeremie Janot, goalkeeper for Saint-Etienne, was also critical of the OL players’ actions.
“If, by any chance, there is misbehaviour and violence at the next derby, they are largely responsible. They have stirred up hatred,” Janot stated on Twitter.
“The Lyon players responsible for singing anti-Etienne chants must be punished! They have a duty to set an example. It is unacceptable,” he added.
In a similar case from last year, Taye Taiwo was suspended for one game and fined €20,000 for participating in offensive chants whilst playing for Olympique Marseille.
RobertTressell – What position will Newco be in? Financially I can see them being weak for a while. But I can also envisage a share issue on the back of the huge relief their fans feel at still having a club, albeit a new one, to follow follow. and it would be succesful enough to compensate for Ticketus.
I can’t see it Robert.
They’ve never been one to put their hands in their own pockets.
Even now, the Rangers Fighting Fund has raised pretty small beer compared to the size of their support and urgency of their club’s need. (thumbsup)
We were warned by Paul months ago and we did nothing about it, all we done was talk, talk, talk.
Rangers fans get a sanction against them and within 2 weeks 8,000 protest outside Hampden, how long have we had to prepare for this day ?
BSR -the ole THai Tims will be raisn’ the roof, never mind the curtain.
You may need a bigger Gazebo, or newco- Gazebo, as I believe it’s to be called.
THe newco- Gazebo will be parachuted in on May 2nd, causing an effect not unlike the ole Total Eclipse of the Sun.
Hi Fellow Celtic Fans,
Is there no chance of a Celtic Supporter’s Group buying out Rangers and putting an end to them? I would GLADLY pay/invest £1,000 to help kill them off. 25,000 times £1,000 gives you 25 Million. We could exorcise the ground and put it to better use, perhaps sell it for shopping or housing or just flatten it and build a nice park.
Otherwise, I would gladly start in the English 4th division and work our way up just to ensure we can throw off the ‘fabric of Scotland’ that clings like a cloak of death to our backs.
Currently I do not subscribe to SKY/ESPN as I do not wish to financially support any English or other Scottish team. I would gladly pay Celtic for a CH67 type product where I could be guaranteed a quality TV stream and know that I was financially aiding Celtic. I live down south and get to the games just a couple of times a year, but I wouldn’t give a hoot who we were playing as I just go to watch the Celtic and be part of the Celtic Family.
Sick to death of the web of deceit and cheating that we are constantly up against.
Yours in Celtic.
TB&F.
Paul67
The spl and spl are a total shambles.
If celtic trust them to run Scottish football aka the CARTEL.
Then by being in this set up we are in support of the cheats charter.
Actions speak louder than words ……?
The sooner the board issues a statement the better .
Fans can then make their own minds up to pay to watch wwf with goalposts or go play golf etc.
Jam67
They will liquidate b4 the 2 contracts or they’ll find some other way to worm there way out of it as they always do.
I’m afraid this league will never change because we never do anything about it.
So that’s it then.
As we knew along, they are going to get away with it.
ernie lynch
UEFA have several complaints regarding rangers and their finances and none of them have came from teams under the SFA.
Rotherham United (from Wiki – I know)
Rotherham United began their second successive year in League One with a 10-point deficit as a result of the CVA which saved the club from liquidation. The club initially pulled the points back but, after losing key playmaker Lee Williamson and star striker Will Hoskins in the January transfer window, the Millers sat 13 points adrift of safety, making the threat of relegation inevitable. This resulted in Knill being sacked on 1 March, with Mark Robins becoming caretaker manager.
Robins’s position was made permanent on 6 April 2007,[7] but he was not able to save Rotherham from relegation. The Millers spent the majority of the 2007–08 season in the automatic promotion places but in mid-March 2008 it was revealed that Rotherham had again entered administration and would be deducted 10 points. Local businessman Tony Stewart then took over as Chairman for the 2008–09 season and took the club out of administration via a Creditors Voluntary Agreement, resulting in a 17-point deduction.[8] The Millers were subsequently forced to leave Millmoor, their home of over 100 years, for the Don Valley Stadium in Sheffield, after disputes with the landlords.[9]
RIP Pablo, 28/04/62 – 01/05/2011.
henr1k – are you seriously holding up those egg-like pavement pirates as some sort of pro-active, go-getting, baw-bursting force of civil change?
Those toe rags are in the mess they are in purely because they are the precise opposite of that…
Gordon J —-
Platini ——
Platini was interviewed by the Italian equivalent of the BBC prior to last Sunday’s Novara -Juve game .
Asked about the likelihood of the Euros being disrupted by protests in The Ukraine re political violence /torture / intimidation and oppression in the Ukraine – he responded with UEFA’s politics and sport have to be kept apart mantra .
Asked about the recently flurry of match fixing betting scams in Italy he responded thus —- ” we will leave that to the Italian Football Authorities “.
Platini wasn’t that keen on Financial Fair Play when he played for St Etienne and Juve . Maybe he’s developed a conscience?
UEFA’s Financial Fair Play Committee ? ——spend 30 minutes Googling that lot -interesting reading.
ernie lynch on 1 May, 2012 at 12:45 said:
You’re probably right but it is the one way of demonstrating your displeasure with the other clubs that lessens the damage to Celtic.
I do still have a sneaking suspicion that the issue will be taken out of the hands of the SPL anyway.
As people suggested last night they are not an administrative body, but a business and as such will take steps to maximise that business. On that basis they were never going to be the one’s that would prevent NewCo being in the SPL. It’s the organisations that deal with the finances and licensing of the NewCo that will truly decide their fate.
Bournemouth.
The team’s future in the Football League was put into doubt before it even began play, when on 6 August the league threatened to block Bournemouth’s participation in League Two, due to problems with the team’s continuing administration and change in ownership. It ordered both Bournemouth and Rotherham United to demonstrate that they can fulfill all of their fixtures and find a way out of administration.[12] The next day the Football League confirmed that A.F.C. Bournemouth would start the season on a 17 point penalty for failing to follow the Football League insolvency rules and the new company would have to pay unsecured creditors the amount offered at the time of the original C.V.A. (around 10 pence in the pound) within 2 years
hen1rik on 1 May, 2012 at 12:48 said:
Twice in two days you’ve held up the hun support as some kinda example which is better than our support, they have done feck all that merits a mention.
If you’re so impressed with them why don’t you join their wee parades and intimidation parties..
Several European leaders have cancelled visits to Ukraine amid growing concern over alleged mistreatment of the jailed opposition leader Yulia Tymoshenko.
Both EU Commission President Jose Manuel Barroso and Justice Commissioner Viviane Reding will boycott the Euro 2012 tournament in Ukraine.
German Chancellor Angela Merkel may do so too. A spokesman said any such visit would depend on Ms Tymoshenko’s fate.
Five European presidents are avoiding a summit next month in Yalta, Ukraine.
-from the BBC.
Sannabhoy,
Thanks for your earlier response to the point I made about the sacking of the Celtic toilets.
Perhaps the police do have a recording.
Give them a laugh while they’re on tea break.
RogueLeader – are you seriously holding up those egg-like pavement pirates as some sort of pro-active, go-getting, baw-bursting force of civil change?
I’m pretty sure this guy was protesting the pasty tax:
http://thesoapbox89.files.wordpress.com/2012/02/the-big-house-must-stay-open.jpg (thumbsup)
Paul67,
While I believe the G10 chairmen’s votes will follow the money I think it’s a disastrous decision based on short termism.
NO market for any service or product can fly so markedly in the face of its “consumers” and not suffer in the longer term, possibly even in the short term.
For decades football has traded off its assumption that fans are both stupid and gullible.
While there may , at some point , have been some truth in that when clubs and their chosen poodles in MSM could single handedly control the output of information about football and thus mould opinion to suit their needs the internet has changed that irreversibly.
Not just because of the freedom of information and expression it affords but because it has now , at least so far as Scotland is concerned, been the spark which has ignited the interest of the more independent and cerebral MSM across the UK , particularly Alex Thompson.
How fans “consume ” football and their perception of it are in a state of critical change.Failure to base long term decisions now on anything other than sporting integrity will tarnish Scottish football irreparably at the precise moment that it needs to take its core market with it as stakeholders and not just consumers.
Can the G10 chairmen really be that shortsighted and ignorant of their own market?
Sadly, it seems they are and I’m not convinced that Regan or Doncaster have either the vision or drive to seek to persuade them that they are fundamentally wrong.
Perhaps its not only Campbell Ogilvie’s postion which ought now , or shortly should be , untenable.
TLWIO
Dontbrattbakkinanger – Both EU Commission President Jose Manuel Barroso and Justice Commissioner Viviane Reding will boycott the Euro 2012 tournament in Ukraine.
That’ll learn them. Take that, Ukraine! (thumbsup)
Philvis -less than gallant of you to print that pic of ole Mark Dingwall’s mum
Luton Town;
A Football League statement today read: “Luton Town were unable to agree a CVA with their creditors and as a consequence are unable to satisfy the normal conditions of the League’s insolvency policy for exiting administration.
“The board decided, however, that they were prepared to exercise their absolute discretion under their ‘exceptional circumstances’ provisions in order to accommodate the new entity.
“In accordance with recent precedent, the board decided to include the following principle conditions of entry as a pre-requisite to the exercise of that discretion.
“1) The new company (Luton Town 2020) should pay the unsecured creditors the amount offered at the time of the CVA hearing (16 pence in the pound).
“2) A 20-point deduction should apply in the 2008-09 season, which also takes into account the fact that this is the club’s third insolvency event in the last 10 years.”
The Hatters now face starting the season 30 points adrift of their League Two rivals, with their previous 10-point deduction being handed out at the start of last month.
That penalty was in relation to 15 charges of misconduct over breaches on FA regulations over payments to agents.
My question is – Do they lose the history? Surely in the event of a Newco being admitted to the SPL it is exactly that A NEW CLUB- basically a club with no previous history being allowed, via wanton acts that display an outrageous contempt for fair play and ethics, to eat at the big boys table. If they ‘officially’ retain their history as well as being admitted into the SPL I believe Scottish football is totally finished. The fans will simply desert in droves (and flocks in the case of Aberdeen)
I’m confused….Paul’s last article ensured us there were no precedents for a Club who have not agreed a CVA being allowed back into a league down south. Now we’re being told there are quite a few precedents.
Which is it ?
What to do?
This above all:
To thine own self be true…..
For the benefit of Mr. Kite There will be a show tonight on trampoline The Hendersons will all be there Late of Pablo Fanque’s Fair, what a scene Over men and horses hoops and garters Lastly through a hogshead of real fire! In this way Mr. K. will challenge the world! The celebrated Mr. K. Performs his feat on Saturday at Bishopsgate The Hendersons will dance and sing As Mr. Kite flies through the ring don’t be late Messrs. K. and H. assure the public Their production will be second to none And of course Henry The Horse dances the waltz-! (Circus organ music) The band begins at ten to six When Mr. K. performs his tricks without a sound And Mr. H. will demonstrate Ten somersets he’ll undertake on solid ground Having been some days in preparation A splendid time is guaranteed for all And tonight Mr. Kite is topping the bill-. (Circus organ music.)
Hail Hail Pablophanque
Dontbrattbakkinanger – Philvis -less than gallant of you to print that pic of ole Mark Dingwall’s mum
Mark Dingwall has a mother?
I assumed he got here via meteorite, like The Blob. (thumbsup)
This is not our boards fault, this is not our boards doing.
Our boards hands are tied, they can do little other than vote against it which they will do.
Why would celtic coming out making a statement appease celtic fans.
So if newco comes to fruition but celtic board say they are against it and vote against it then those that will walk away from celtic because of this will now renew season tickets?
I support celtic not scottish football, i have no interest in scottish football.
in the big picture this rule change to allow newco in may allow us in not to distant future to dump this league.
Why would you not support celtic even more because of this?
so rangers cheat and get away with it. your solution, stop giving money to celtic thereby making celtic, the club and its fans worse off.
bizarre logic.