When Duff and Phelps put their initial deadline in place for bidders for Rangers back in March, Celtic Quick News took the view that Craig Whyte was the only show in town and that any successful bid for the company’s assets would have to come from him or his proxy.
We didn’t know who his proxy would be then and we are still not sure – although we could have a pretty good guess.
Place the current SPL and SFA dramas aside for a moment. If a deal is done to allow a Rangers-Newco to apply to play football next season the new ‘owner’ will be a Craig Whyte appointment.
If this unfolds in the days to come, I fully expect the SFA will take a very long time to consider any Fit and Proper questions, and I expect the SPL board will vote 4-1 to allocate a share in the league to the Newco.
Celtic, united with their own fans, and fans of the Gang of 10 clubs stand in one corner. The boards of the Gang of 10 want Rangers-Newco money too much to object. Don’t even count on Newco being subject to the penalties discussed at yesterday’s meeting.
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What a depressing day. Looks like the fix is in, and the road is open for them to liquidate and phoenix before the end of the season.
Creditors – including police, nurses, soldiers, teachers, small business people, fellow football clubs from Edinburgh to Palermo – all left absolutely high and dry.
After the phoenix, the 2 contracts means nothing. The BTC means nothing. The scandalous overspending and the ruinous debts mean nothing. All are jettisoned and the punishment is…
…Nothing. Absolutely nothing.
Make no mistake, we are living in a banana republic, where the interests of an appalling and vile institution, whose defining characteristic has been for decades a violent and virulent anti-Catholicism, are placed above every football club, and every taxpayer in the land.
And they are lauded by our First Minister as part of “the fabric of society”. His sports minister praises their fans when their vile anti-Catholicism is at its most blatant and loud. Neither will demur as the Scottish – and UK – taxpayer is shafted to the tune of £134 million.
What does this tell you about Scotland? If this can happen now, what else can people in power in this country get away with?
The only hope I can see is that someone in UEFA is as outraged as us. But I wouldn’t bet on it.
What a disgrace.
Was Doncaster if involved in the greyhound racing circuit….just a thought
Maybe now is the time for Celtic to hand in their resignation from the SPL on the grounds of sporting integrity being ignored.
Tell the SFA/UEFA its up to them to sort the mess out and they have the 2 year notice period we need to give to sort it.
TV deal will remain on the table unsigned, new sponsors to replace Clydesdale Bank will not be found and all 11 of them can drown in their own sea of debt.
No need for KKK like marches to Hampden or veiled threats from ex-‘legends’, just spell it out in simple words.
Robinbhoy
Re your e mail from the SPL, I just had a look at ‘Wiki’ for Rotherham United, I know its not the most reliable of sources but that indicates that Rotherham did reach a CVA (twice actually). So maybe the SPL are not on such firm ground as they think. The Leeds United example has been quoted before, and it is complicated but I am sure Paul 67, or some one on the blog, has answered that point a few weeks back.
I think there is a lot of ‘misinformation’ being scattered around at the moment.
HH
oglach – Doncaster has stated twice in the SPL’s opinion if Rangers NewCo are reinstated on the licence and league share currently held by OldCo they retain the history.
It makes as much sense as the CVA lies last night but they are pressing ahead with that too.
Can’t upset the people now can we…..
Business as usual and nobody will mention the Murray years.
so if newco are a shoe in… does this explain why a dumfries based football club’s shares were withdrawn from the market? i bet chick young however is breathing a sigh of relief, of course, that his favourite club, saint mirren, will still be around next season.
hmmmmm.
cardiffbhoy on 1 May, 2012 at 11:00 said: …..
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Thanks for the info, I have a dream…
I dream of a simple pound notes and percentage of gross income figure for each club based on last years attendances. A Phone in to Keevins etc hitting the email button as soon as the call is connected then quoting a couple of examples, then a reference to the email and a challenge to him on air to do a proper sports journalist job on this in his rag.
Then urge him to get assistance of his rag’s business reporters to project the positive cost effects available to counteract the losses due to rankers death.
The second bomb would be the TV deals posted earlier Belgium etc compared to Donkeyaster’s pittance ‘won’ from Sky.
nonotcrossedbhunnewco.csc
Sandman Is Neil Lennon on 1 May, 2012 at 12:27 said:
My email to Neil Doncaster:
NO ZOMBIE HUNS IN THE SPL.
Best Wishes,
Sandman.
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Wonderful, succinct.
Hmmm pretty selective examples coming from the SPL and in most of those cases the clubs have been crippled to the point of destruction. Luton now play in the Blue Square, Rotherham Div 2 and Bournemouth Div 1, Leeds did agree a CVA after a lot of underhand work by Ken Bates (basically creating debts so as to water down HMRC’s share of the debt) so if he’s an example to be followed the game is really a bogey.
Oh well I guess that’ll be it for a lot of us, I love Celtic they are the only team I even remotely care about but what is the point of following a team which plays in a league protecting one team above all others. I can only hope that we are working on an appeal to UEFA and get out of town asap.
Stadiums in Scotland next season will be ghost-towns if this comes to pass with the exception of the ploughed field that the all new Huns will be pitched up in.
scotlands shame on 1 May, 2012 at 13:03 said:
”Our boards hands are tied, they can do little other than vote against it which they will do.”
That’s not true.
Celtic could resign from the SPL.
I wonder how much embezzelment we are talking if the Spanish, English and Italian clubs were to follow the SPLs proposed debt removal plan.
UEFA need to tackle the problem that Russian and Asian football presents at the moment.
If DD does not drag them through the courts then the game is a bogey.
HH
ItaliaBhoy – Re: The SNP.
Their “independence in Europe” (sic) isn’t looking very clever now, is it? (thumbsup)
jock tamson on 1 May, 2012 at 13:05 said:
”so if newco are a shoe in… does this explain why a dumfries based football club’s shares were withdrawn from the market?”
There have been two attempts by an English based consortium to buy David Rae’s shares, the second after relegation.
I don’t think this has anything to do with the huns.
Time for Celtic to show thier hand. If our board are outraged by this, now is the time to lay down the warning that the screamingly obvious scam about to be perpetrated will not stand.
We will not vote for it.
We will not cooperate with any new media deal.
We will refuse away tickets.
Might not make any difference, but it might concentrate minds and it would at least make public our club’s utter revulsion at this stitch up.
As it stands we are going to meakly take our seat at the back of the bus. Again.
The SPhell is preparing to be bent over & raped by the GOAT…
EXILED TIM, I am resigned to the SPL and SFA rolling over. Less so on a deal being done. The big assumption we are all making is that Whyte has a proxy. He may not have.
ernie lynch, sorry if I missed a reply on the blog, I didn’t get an email from you on the subject of the Celtic board. This is a really important issue and I am keen to do all I can to ensure Celtic are not split on this matter. Right now, the Celtic family only have each other and I view attempts to split this as a serious threat to our club and community.
If you are as concerned as you sound, email me and I will do whatever I can. As I said earlier, if all you are happy to blow off steam at someone, the board are as easy a target as anyone, so I’ll be happy for you to continue – but we should be clear on that.
hailhailplc, indeed. Celtic are very active on the subject at the moment and will speak publicly when discussions have concluded.
ASonOfDan, perhaps.
Celtic Mac, ha!
bournesouprecipe, nothing decided yet.
Jam67, the club are working with all other parties on this one. Playing to the gallery would confirm to the fans how the club views these issues but would inhibit the club’s ability to influence other decision makers.
Power dry time. Celtic will issue a strong statement on the issue when the talking has concluded.
the long wait is over, agree.
The longer this has dragged on has given those inclined time to look for solutions to their problems, dont be surprised if the Dual contracts the licensing issues and success through cheating is ever rectified I have no confidence in the SFA or SPL to have the courage to do what they should.
To me there are two sets of fans in Scotland Celtic and non Celtic fans if this is allowed this proves it.
I also do not understand why the FTTT is taking so long to publish its decision
So the precedent seems to be that in the lower league (league 2) the teams were offered a lifeline by paying the CVA proposal within two years and getting huge pont deductions.
So following the English league’s example, rangers to be relegated to league three, pay a proposed CVA within two years and get a 20 point deduction for the first year.
I can live with that.
Such a capricious comment.
I sure hope he’s kidding. (thumbsup)
THE BLOB
” Beware of the Blob,it creeps
and leaps and glides and slides
Across the floor
Right through the door
and all around the wall.
A splotch ,a blotch
Be careful of the Blob ”
Burt Bacharach CSC -way down south.
Philvis,
This scandal poses lots of questions for Celtic fans who are tempted to vote for independence.
The nature of Scottish society – underneath that douce, lefty, CoS exterior – is as rancid and corrupt as any Soviet satellite in the 1950s.
Who matters? – The People.
You disagree, Timmy? – Sod off to Ireland then.
I think our board can refuse to cooperate with a TV deal. What could the SPL realistically do then kick us out of the SPL? Then what? There would still be no OF games for Sky or away support travelling to the SPL grounds it the very definition of the old cold war acronym M.A.D. I do not follow the argument that our board’s hands are tied. They only have to stand up for sporting integrity and refuse to be complicit in allowing cheating to prosper. Would UEFA back us? I think that they would.
ItaliaBhoy on 1 May, 2012 at 13:09 said:
”We will not cooperate with any new media deal.”
A deal we, as members of the SPL, have signed up to?
Yeah, that’s going to happen.
I tell you what will happen if a newco is allowed in.
Some of us will have nothing more to with Celtic or Scottish football.
Other than that everything will be as before.
If Celtic announce their intention to resign from SPL if Newco is voted back in, particularly if its sanction free, then how do the 10 pygmies vote?
Whatever way they vote they lose the £80m TV deal currently on the table and the likelihood of a new league sponsor next year virtually disappears, they are financially hamstrung.
The likely answer to this scenario would be the dissolution of the SPL and the SFA taking control using UEFA financial fair play guidlines as a prerequisite to any team obtaining a licence.
oglach on 1 May, 2012 at 13:13 said:
”I think our board can refuse to cooperate with a TV deal. What could the SPL realistically do then kick us out of the SPL?”
Withhold or reduce payment.
We sign up to the deal, that’s why we get paid.
We don’t do what the deal says we should do, we don’t get paid.
Paul 67
This is 1st of May not April…..right ?
cavansam \o/ on 1 May, 2012 at 13:07 said:
I have to agree, the mood swings over the past few months are getting to me also.
If Celtic don’t fight this tooth and nail then I’m chucking it after 45 years.
Retired and thinking of buying a boat for island hopping in the Aegean from our home on Crete. Sounds grand but it’ll be on a budget, tinned spam for tea….
Will still check the results though..
Robinboy
I would challenge Ogilve’s precedents as it looks like both Leeds and Rotheram secured a CVA and neither club is a comparator in terms of social taxes unpaid.
It might be in the detail but yesterdays blog suggests a CVA is necessary and that appears to be enshrined in English rules so that is part of any precedent.
A Newco can only come from liquidation so what precedent exists for a liquidated club with huge unpaid social tax being allowed back into the same division when an alternative existed?
These guys are making it up as they go along. Doncaster is not trustworthy.
Paul 67 ,
If they are allowed back into the spl with no sanctions etc ,
Celtic must vote against any new commercial deals involving the spl .
Vote against any tv deal , and , if we are outvoted by the 11 – 1 majority , and need to accept it , the club must make it crystal clear we will not be doing any interviews etc with sky / espn . No cooperation whatsoever . All press release etc done via club website . No participation in either of the two cup competitions
As for hurting other clubs that go along with this charade , its a hard one .
Boycott is the best way but some guys will follow the team no matter what .
I personally manage to go to a few away games and would hate to stop but it doesn’t look as if there is much more that we can do .
Scottish football is rotten to the core , all set to look after the interests of 1 team .
Lets hope we have plenty of more days like Sunday and we absolutely pummel them anytime we play them in the future……….. Hail Hail
The problem with Celtic resigning is that we need somewhere else to go. Otherwise the club would be dead within months, if not weeks.
I heard from a Celtic board member about a year ago that Celtic saw this developing scandal as a chance to get out of Scotland for good. I wasn’t sure at the time if it was idle musings, or a genuine plan.
I hope it’s the latter, but suspect UEFA will simply not allow it.
Ernie – the deal with Sky remains unsigned. We can refuse to sign it and if it implemented simply refuse cooperation. What are they going to do? Sue us? I doubt it, that would disastrous for Sky. And none of the other clubs would have the guts.
All talk on this forum but no action, no doubt you will be 1st to complain as soon ad they’re back in to the SPL, unbelievable.
Talk Talk Talk.
Paul67 on 1 May, 2012 at 13:11 said:
”ernie lynch, sorry if I missed a reply on the blog, I didn’t get an email from you on the subject of the Celtic board. This is a really important issue and I am keen to do all I can to ensure Celtic are not split on this matter. Right now, the Celtic family only have each other and I view attempts to split this as a serious threat to our club and community.
If you are as concerned as you sound, email me and I will do whatever I can. As I said earlier, if all you are happy to blow off steam at someone, the board are as easy a target as anyone, so I’ll be happy for you to continue – but we should be clear on that.”
I can only deduce from that response that either the Celtic Board have no plan as to what to do, or if they have you are not privy to it.
I suppose the most urgent matter at the moment is to get as many season books as possible renewed before people know what it is they are signing up to.
Looks like its over to you Celtic.
MWD
This is the old conservative establishment ploy of promoting “protectionism” under the guise it is for the collective good under the heading of “too big to fail” partyline. We’ve seen it in the political sphere with the banks bailed out by tax payers & basically “protected” by vast sums of monies as a buffer from economic reality- it is a denial of competition in a capitalist economy & prevents failing companies (with systemically toxic business models ) to fail & vanish for the “real collective good”. Here, we football fans, are being asked to do the same: support the protection of a failing club who have been mired in a generational hegemony of systemic corruption, greed & cultural chicanery & downright fraudulence…maybe we football people can show other businesses how to do it right. But this Xerox monkey Dongaster (the anaemic coward hiding behind a desk) is pushing the ancient fallacy that Perception is Reality…who is this shyster meant to be representing? Make no doubts about it: the MSM will peddle this rogues scam in the next few weeks with all the Pharisaical bamboozlement only they could concoct…reality as usual will be turned on its head & a vast configured doxology of phony facts, hoax statistics & misrepresentation will circulate the airwaves & printed word. We know the snowjob the LL have in the pipeline- they’ve plumbed it up to an ocean of satanic mendacity & are just waiting to release all the hyperbolic effluence into the wider MSM system…Dongaster is using politics here to subvert economic reality & social justice because politics is the last refuge of the scoundrel…I truly believe that we, the Scottish football fans, must make this a political matter.
Mr Reagan used to be good for a quote, maybe someone should ask him as the “appelant” body what the SFA think of the statements being made by Neil Doncaster. Could Mr Doncaster himself be pulled up for not being a “fit & proper person” OR what about the old Hearts charge, “not showing due respect to all members of the SPL”.
ernie lynch on 1 May, 2012 at 13:14 said:
Some of us will have nothing more to with Celtic or Scottish football
i’m very sure thats part of the agenda
for everybody advocating resigning from the league…
what happens in 2 years if we ain’t in foreign?
wages still need paid, and no games = no season ticket sales.
it’s a policy which would, bizarrely, render us in a significantly worse financial situation than the orcs.
what an astounding suggestion.
i’d far prefer to see us raise a court action against them for payment of their ticket income following sunday’s game in the belief that they may not be in a position to repay it… drag it out in the courts… and see what happens come june 1st when the contract rats desert the sinking ship.
take the battle to them.
let’s see the other 10’s moral objection to ticket revenues being repaid to their creditors.
Strange Kyle Bartleys abuser was caught so quick when Eric Drysdale & Alex Thompsons aggressors are still at large!