All week I’ve been telling myself that it is a healthy thing that discriminatory chanting has come under the spotlight prior to Euro 2012. The world needs to focus on those who are unable to find an outlet for their testosterone without picking on the vulnerable.
We know all about discriminatory chanting in Scotland, you could say, we’re up to our knees in it, so I’ve been slightly uncomfortable at the tone to some of the reporting about Poland and Ukraine. It feels a bit like we’ve decided, ‘They have it too, let’s talk about them. Not us’. When I say “us”, I don’t mean you, of course.
Fair enough, I thought, let’s bring this issue out, but at the start of the second half between Netherlands and Denmark when BBC commentator Jonathan Pearce reported “We haven’t heard any racist comments here today. Not when the young, black, Dutch left back got the ball, or at any other time” I figured this is more about xenophobia than racism. Xenophobia about Eastern Europe.
We’re no wiser about how to deal with our testosterone-fuelled under-achievers with a purpose to find than anyone else. In fact, we’re worse for allowing our intellectuals to indulge in the last refuge of the scoundrel.
My money is on the Polish and Ukrainian fans emerging from this tournament with a better reputation than some of their Western European counterparts.
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Cambpell Ogilvie on 10 June, 2012 at 04:20 said:
A mason is a tradesman whom carves stone?
Sorry brother,this is the question that i meant to ask –
Are you a Freemason,mate?
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Sixteen roads
I don’t understand your point?
I have never been a tradesman in my life.
I’m just a cold and lonely, lovely piece of art.
Look, ffs, am gettin a bit pissed off here.
I can’t answer all, so can you qualify yer quizzes by givin me the name of yer schools??
Ta in advance.
An irritated CO.
CambpelI:
Yesterday I watched a wee miniseries about the re-emergence of Rangers as a club (89/90). You were prominent in the video when Mr. Souness was named manager. Even your chairman appeared to defer to you. At Rangers, are you sure you were just a secretary who couldn’t type?
Don’t take this the wrong way Campbell but your recent offerings made me recall a certain Oliver North.
News just in.
Huns have been using dual contracts.
Nowt to do with me when I signed off the contracts for RFC and the SFA.
innocentbasturt.com
Kit,
As secretary I was merely a typist.
Your insinuations are misplaced.
I’m an innocent cheating hun, and so is the Beast, who I adore most hunningly.
You should just leave us alone you interfering Timmy bollocks.
Cambpell Ogilvie on 10 June, 2012 at 04:42 said:
You know that you are in the wrong,Mister 2nd name for 1st name.
It’s only a matter of time.All the club ties,cardigans and brown brogues in the world can’t cover up what you really are.
Once “respectable” crooked bigot.
The Celts are all over you like a rash.
:)
Oh! okay Campbell, if you put it like that. But before I stop do you mind if I remind you that Oliver went to jail for all his shredding and lying. All it took to put him away was somebody to ask the right questions and to write down the replies.
That and a corrupt system that needed a patsy.
sixteen roads/ kit,
You two are just being bigoted racist and sectarian by trying to expose the truth.
I have NO respect for twisted purveyors of the truth.
The Brethren will always win, regardless of your truthful lies.
Shug is cutting my toesnails as we speak, cos the daft wee choob thinks I’m goin to get him more windae repair work.
I pure love Scotland and it’s mental masonic deniability.
Roon yez, ya fenian clowns.
FACT.
Cambpell Ogilvie
Scotland IS the huns, the huns ARE Scotland.
I take it you’ll go along wi that ?
One last thing before i go – in all seriousness – the club itself i…,through it’s silence,playing an absolute blinder here.
Surely,no matter what happens – the club has built up an incredible portfolio in relation to this continuing saga?
I am saying this here and now – Celtic FC are the winners in all of this,regardless.
Sixteen roads to Golgotha on 10 June, 2012 at 05:14 said:
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Hear, hear m8.
KevJungle – “1st Flag on the JUNGLE roof for LENNON’S LION’S” on 10 June, 2012 at 05:13
PMSL.
You may well be correct,but…and i am sorry to inform you of this fact,the whole world does not revolve around Scotland,and it doesn’t revolve around Ireland or England either.
Gone.
Campbell:
I’ve been meaning to ask this for a while but it just kep slipping my mind, anyway Campbell. There were quite a few EBT’s at Rangers, Hearts too, can you tell me how many at the SFA have an EBT obligation (you know a loan) or is that just you?
KevJungle
Aye. We are ra peepil.
Gerry knows this. We NEVER handed HIM any broon envelopes.
That might be why he retired so suddenly. Or is it???
Hi Paul
Intriguing article but who are your targets?
Could the focus of your attention be English commentators and, by extension, the English?
Scotland, the nation who welcomes all, except:
those whose native tongue is not English
those not born to the Protestant religion
people whose skin is dark in colour
people born in England
people born in Ireland (south)
Leaving the Welsh (Celtic brothers with a solid presbyterian background), USA (love those celebs from the movies), the Anzac nations and Canada (made up of many Scots ex-pats).
Quite an impressive history of xenophobia, really!
As we know, many Scottish Celtic fans do not ascribe to this (Scottish) stereotype but generalising about the behaviour of groups of people is dangerous because it is wrong to attribute general behaviour to diverse populations (unless you are talking about huns, of course!).
Apologies, Paul, if I have completely misinterpreted you!
Time I got some zzzz’s!
Goodnight!
HH
Sixteen roads to Golgotha on 10 June, 2012 at 05:19 said:
You may well be correct,but…and i am sorry to inform you of this fact,the whole world does not revolve around Scotland,and it doesn’t revolve around Ireland or England either.
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Aye, but….Celtic play their football in Scotland. A country, the VAST majority of which is…ANTI – Celtic!
Only saying like.
Kit,
You have no right to ask me such questions.
I will do as I wilt.
It’s masonic law, and is the reason why I’m still PRESIDENT OF THE SFA.
So right roon yez, ya shower of good-doers.
Me and my Saturday night drinking pals of sleazieness have noticed how much readies you Tims raise for good causes.
We WILL find ways to redirect the taxes of that back to the glorious Glasgow Rankers.
It’s what we do. It’s who we are. We are ra peepil.
Cambpell Ogilvie on 10 June, 2012 at 05:20 said:
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I would prefer to leave Gerry out of this.
If you don’t mind.
The brown envelope’s will go the same way as,
the letter’s written in green ink.
Sorry folks,
Quick request.
Anyone loan us a few thousand for a wee business opportunity??
Sorry Kit, 16 roads and CO
I seem to have interrupted your conversation.
Apologies and this time I mean nighty, night!
HH
KevJ,
I respect your inference that Gerry never spoke to me.
Aberdeen-Mad contributor and blogger Simpson_1903 reminds us that we shouldn’t forget about the farce going on in Glasgow.
The town of Footballing Cliché is a strange place. It is a coastal town, where the tides are constantly turning. In the town centre there is a square, simply known to locals as ‘Square One’, where the best way of getting to the square is to take Route One. Public transport is good within the town, however complaints are ongoing as to the frequency with which some choose to park the bus. Then, once every so often, things get quite exciting in the town. The managerial merry-go-round starts to spin a bit faster, the transfer windows creak open and players look to put themselves in the shop window. It is that special time of year, Silly Season.
Things have gotten silly early this year, and for that we can thank the SPL’s talking point of the year, Glasgow Rangers FC. Just when you thought it was safe to talk about something else, Rangers come racing back into the forefront, waving their arms, “Hold on, hold on, we’ve got more of this crap”.
The BBC expose ‘The Men Who Sold The Jerseys’, and even before we knew its contents, was always likely to get people talking. However what was contained in the show took some simmering embers and doused them with gallons of petrol. Now, as we move closer to various deadlines for voting and decisions to be made, we should not expect this story to disappear anytime soon.
While others were analysing and discussing potential outcomes, we should have been paying attention to the Daily Record, as they came up with a solution to all the woes. They reckon that Rangers should be looking to ‘cut a deal’ with the SFA:
“However, a Rangers offer to cop a six-month transfer ban could allow both parties the chance to step back from the brink. It would mean the club could avoid the risk of being suspended – which would seriously affect their chances of surviving in the SPL next term – or expelled.
It would also give the SFA the chance to get FIFA off its back.”
So it is sorted then, win-win. Of course the SFA is looking to achieve is to step back from the brink and get FIFA of their backs, nothing else. Cut a deal, Rangers can live on, SFA can breathe easy, we are all happy.
No, wait a second, that is total rubbish, and the Daily Record are insulting journalism standards as well as their reader’s intelligence. You do not ‘cut deals’ on punishments.
On BBC Radio Scotland’s Saturday Sportsound, Rangers was unsurprisingly the main topic of conversation. The conversation was made all the more enjoyable without Rangers’ cheerleaders Young and Traynor present. Jim Spence had been in discussions with an unnamed Chairman (obviously Stephen Thompson as who else would speak to Spencey?), and revealed that the consensus amongst chairmen was firmly against Rangers, stating that if they made the vote on the New-Con yesterday (Friday) then they definitely would not have got in. There definitely would seem to be a growing feeling against Rangers, when we hear the normally unheard Inverness Caley Chairman venting his frustrations on the matter it suggests feeling are strong, and Rangers are running out of allies.
But yet the Rangers sympathisers are still out in force. The Daily Record, a popular daily editorial in this country, is clearly writing with blinkers on. Darren Jackson was expressing his concerns on the radio that this summer clubs would come in to try to “steal” players from Rangers, with the negotiated release clauses in their contracts.
“Steal” should not really be the word. Perhaps if you were talking about offering to pay £1.5m for a rival team’s international player, and then only deliver approximately half that amount, such as Rangers did with Lee Wallace at Hearts, I would be more sympathetic to the term stealing. Whereas signing players under terms that have been negotiated into their contracts as a result of gross financial mismanagement, is evidently not stealing.
But, we are dealing in hypotheticals here. The important thing is that everyone should stop picking on Rangers, who are clearly the victim in all of this. Not my words, but those of a club spokesman:
“Rangers fully accept there should be a sanction but it ought to be proportionate given the circumstances the club was in i.e. it was the victim of misdeeds of individuals who are no longer at the club.”
I do not consider Rangers to be the victim in all of this. The individuals may no longer be at the club, but that is not to say that the club has not benefited greatly from these misdeeds. These misdeeds were carried out with blatant disregard for the rules, and with a recklessness that has had knock-on effects for other clubs as well.
While Rangers accept that there should be a sanction, perhaps they should be remember that it should be proportionate given the nature of the crime, i.e. it gave them a huge edge over their competitors for many years, and there was full awareness (or at least should have been) that what was being done was wrong and against the rules that were in place.
The punishment should be made on the basis of the crime. How the league, or the other teams, or even Rangers themselves move on from this should be an irrelevance. Corruption should never be allowed to be prosperous.
Now we find ourselves in an almost petty situation where people seem to be getting bogged down in the semantics of the administration and appeals within the process. Rangers were legally allowed to go to the Civil Court, but not according to the laws of the game. That does not really matter anyway as, according to Charles Green (who at time of writing still remains as perspective buyer), neither his people nor the administrators wanted to take the matter to the Civil Court. Who exactly made this decision is unclear, but it certainly is not the fault of anyone involved in the running of the club.
The whole situation is getting a bit messy now. The revelations drew everyone in, but now we are just getting bogged down in the admin (no pun intended).
Suspension would seem a possibility now, and quite a real one. Though Charles Green said that this would provide “a major setback to our plans to take Rangers forward”. Well, that is not of the concern of the SFA or whoever actually gets to make the decision.
Plus, rather worryingly, FIFA is now circling the situation. I suppose they are a G8 type figure to ‘Football Cliché town’, only more corrupt. FIFA seems to have a drive for financial fair play at the moment, and could well be looking for someone to make an example of. Will Rangers have to go back to Square One? Will the SFA need to go back to the drawing board? Everything remains open-ended at the moment. With pre-season plans getting drawn up, and the fixture lists soon to be announced, it would be nice to see some assertiveness and definite decisions soon.
simpson_1903
Cambpell Ogilvie on 10 June, 2012 at 05:25
It’s masonic law ?
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Now, what to make of peepil who
see the need for – wee sneaky meetings ?
merseycelt
Lack of response to your post is cos it was controversial…and a bit odd.
If you read back you will see these daft Timmies love the Englerlish as much as the Oirish.
I just don’t get em at all.
Daft fenian people liikers.
They make me sick.
Cambpell Ogilvie on 10 June, 2012 at 05:29 said:
KevJ,
I respect your inference that Gerry never spoke to me.
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Ah, now who’s paranoid ?
Oh! okay Campbell, I didn’t mean to pry. So if EBT’s are too sensitive a subject for you to talk about in public… – then without meaning to cast crass assertions – is it true that you are a cross-dresser?
Kit @ 05:31
As administrator, I have the right to say, I can’t be arse reading the words of you Timmys beyond one sentence.
Please condense your point into one sentence, ffs.
Honsestly. And you blame ME for the failings of administration!?!?!? See you feckin fenians…..
kitalba on 10 June, 2012 at 05:35 said:
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Ha!
Kit,
I do indulge in cross-dressing….it’s acceptable in the 21st Century by the way you anti hun bigot !!!
You feckin anti-tolerant socialist marxist fenian bollocks will never get it!
I am ENTITLED to wear whatever clothes I want.
I am also ENTITLED to make sure that those clothes are denied from those that really need them.
This is the beauty of the hunnery I represent, and why it is important that my brethren and me fight for it tooth and nail…well other folks teeth and nails…
This from leggolad:
But one main change which has already been revealed is that the Revenue have lined up big hitting insolvency practitioners, BOD, to take over from under investigation Duff and Phelps if Charles Green’s CVA fails and Rangers are plunged into Liquidation.
And the prospect of Rangers going into Liquidation increased last night when Charles Green gave it equal billing with his CVA during an on-screen interview on Reporting Scotland.
Green also showed just how desperate he is to get his hands on £16M from Rangers supporters by rounding up daily newspaper reporters in order to hand out another of his propaganda bulletins
But it is the HMRC new move which is the more important twist to the tale in the last 48 hours.
But it requires some research, therefore it is little surprise that this aspect has not featured in so many newspapers.
The HMRC interventation seen by some insiders as the Revenue firing a warning shot across Charles Green’s bows.
Charles Green, of course, has had a chequered business past. A past which was revealed here yesterday, which includes links to a convicted money launderer. His history with the Revenue is shrouded in mystery
But the HMRC get tough move has sparked fears that the Revenue, at the highest level inside their Somerset House headquarters in London, do not trust Charles Green and are set to refuse Green’s paltry offer of, at most, nine pence-in-the pound.
Last night the senior partner at BOD’s Baker Street headquarters in London, Malcolm Cohen, the man who will take over if Rangers are Liquidated, was staying tight lipped. BOD will also use Bernard Stephen from the company’s York Street office in Glasgow in a Liquidation process.
This worrying news for Rangers fans has been buried, at a time when Charles Green is making a desperate plea to Rangers supporters for £16M of their money for season tickets, putting a July 2nd deadline on applications.
Green seriously needs that cash. And he needs it quickly.
And he has even roped in Rangers Assembly spokesman Andy Kerr in call on the official Rangers website for fans to buy tickets and back Charles Green,
Kerr’s bizarre backing comes just a week after he spoke out against Green and warned Rangers supporters not to hand over their hard eared cash until they got cast iron and legally binding assurances from Green as to how the supporters’ money would be used.
Nothing cast iron, nothing legally binding has been provided by Green.
All he has done is say that he promises he won’t sell off Ibrox Stadium.
Does that promise rank alongside the 20 big time investors he promised he had, but didn’t?
Alongside the promise of the £20M funding he promised he had, but hadn’t?
Beside the promise that Rangers would emerge from administration, debt free, only for it to be revealed Rangers will actually owe Charles Green £13.3M?
Charles Green also says supporters’ season ticket money will go into a secure account.
A secure account?
Just what kind of account does Charles Green have in mind which is not secure?
There is no end to Charles Green’s snake oil salesman patter. No end to the lies and half truths he will peddle.
And, as Andy Kerr has proved, no end to the mugs who will fall for the three-card-trick over and over and over again and again and again.
Right now there is even doubt as to whether the meeting with creditors, at which they will vote whether or not to accept Charles Green’s paltry CVA offer, due to be held in Ibrox on Thursday, will actually take place on that day.
For the terms of the legal requirements of a CVA mean that no meeting can be held within a fortnight of the creditors being in receipt of the proposals.
Last night, two creditors who I spoke to had not received any modified CVA proposals, issued on behalf of Charles Green by under investigation Duff and Phelps.
And last night neither Paul Clark or David Whitehouse from Duff and Phelps were available to explain what is happening and answer questions about the nature of the modifications in Charles Green’s CVA.
Which has sparked even more fears. Fears that the original £8.3M which Charles Green says he has in the CVA pot, money Duff and Phelps say they saw proof of before approving the original CVA and sending it out nine days ago, is not all there.
Fears that there is less than £8.3M in Green’s CVA pot. That could see any pence-in-the-pound offer from Charles Green reduced to nearer five-pence-in-the-pound, a figure I forecast last week.
If that proves to be the case, it would explain why the Revenue have decided to act to stop Charles Green. It would explain why they have stepped in and effectively sacked under investigation insolvency practitioners, Duff and Phelps and replaced them with BOD, a firm with wide experience of being called in by the Revenue and a firm with a reputation for being hard men.
Sht !
Just got a call from Minty’s lawyer (same guy representing Whytey) asking why I’m posting drunkin truths on CQN. Have to go ya shower of fenians.
We arra peepil ,and will use that peepil power to milk more pennies oot of the hun fc before the stupid huns know what has happened.
All praise the stupid huns for their stupidity.
My bank account is so wide they are thinkin of re-sizing the Clyde.
It’s good to be a financial rapist during hunmaggeddon.
PS. After “liquidising”, Minty is going to turn up again. He LOOOOOVEEESSS the drama…..
Cambpell Ogilvie
Where you on the pitch/directors-box, @ the 1980 SCF ?
The above date is the ONLY time that yer fellow bretheren have faced, true justice as, the downtrodden/underdog Celtic fans exacted the only law that has EVER applied to yer, fellow bretheren.
Yer erse’s were kicked by, the Cellic team and fans!
One of the BEST day’s of this TIM’s life.
Happy Days – CSC
Cambpell Ogilvie:
Obviously you are comfortable with your life choices that others would hide at the back of the darkest closet but then you’re some man. (Aren’t you?)
So we are not allowed to discuss EBT’s because they are accepted shameful even to the damned so… is it also true you’ve previously had cosmetic cerebral implants with the consequential sad infliction that upon meeting anybody new your way of breaking the ice is to ask them if they went to a fenian school?
Away back to bed.
Adios Timland.
God Bless
Hail Hail
FFS.
I am under no obligation to answer any of these ridiculous questoins.
Just cos I am being funded by your money you daft fenians, don’t mean I have to answer to YOU !