All week I’ve been telling myself that it is a healthy thing that discriminatory chanting has come under the spotlight prior to Euro 2012. The world needs to focus on those who are unable to find an outlet for their testosterone without picking on the vulnerable.
We know all about discriminatory chanting in Scotland, you could say, we’re up to our knees in it, so I’ve been slightly uncomfortable at the tone to some of the reporting about Poland and Ukraine. It feels a bit like we’ve decided, ‘They have it too, let’s talk about them. Not us’. When I say “us”, I don’t mean you, of course.
Fair enough, I thought, let’s bring this issue out, but at the start of the second half between Netherlands and Denmark when BBC commentator Jonathan Pearce reported “We haven’t heard any racist comments here today. Not when the young, black, Dutch left back got the ball, or at any other time” I figured this is more about xenophobia than racism. Xenophobia about Eastern Europe.
We’re no wiser about how to deal with our testosterone-fuelled under-achievers with a purpose to find than anyone else. In fact, we’re worse for allowing our intellectuals to indulge in the last refuge of the scoundrel.
My money is on the Polish and Ukrainian fans emerging from this tournament with a better reputation than some of their Western European counterparts.
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I’m only here cos some halfwit in our under-funded meeja relations dept says I should do more to relate to the fenyins.
I say why bother. Ye should all feck off back to Ireland and leave Scotland to the Celts. I mean Picts. Whatever. The indigenous races rule.
Donald,
Put oot yer pipe. Thoughts, ya big hun dinosaur of bigoted beauty?
Correct me if I’m wrong, teams in administration are not allowed to sign players. Is it possible that Duff and Phelps were unaware of this condition when they gave a contract to Cousins? If so, surely even the hun would learn by such a mistake; or have the rules been changed to accommodate somebody (Charles Green), who has no right to conduct business on behalf of Rangers, holding talks with a player’s agent (Andrea D’Amico ) with a view to signing his player. (Rino Gattuso).
No wonder Green, who does not own Rangers, wants the transfer ban re-instated.
Fortunes Favour Mibbes on 10 June, 2012 at 01:01 said:
Apologies for my tardy response, but Netflix has powerful soporific effects.
3000 words on iPad would be cruel and unusual punishment, so I will quickly state my position on our esteemed former manager.
The songs debate rages around personal opinions and preferences, whereas the debate on Gordon’s considerable achievements as a Celtic manager can be distilled into an analysis of his title wins and CL achievements while we were downsizing and rebuilding.
The record book tells the tale of the tape and silences any opinions that differ from mine.
I hold the man in high esteem and will forever be grateful for the success and pleasure he brought the club and myself.
The Sun By ROBERT THOMSON
Ogilvie: I’d quit if I caused SFA grief
CAMPBELL OGILVIE last night vowed to quit as SFA president if he became an embarrassment.
Ogilvie, who got £95,000 from an Ibrox Employee Benefit Trust, insisted he did not know the extent of the payments and claimed he had no idea the scheme might be illegal.
And he said he was confident the SPL probe into Rangers’ use of EBTs would clear his name.
Ogilvie, 60, said: “If I’m causing the SFA a problem and the board or clubs felt that, then I’d stand down.
“If it was put to me to stand down while this is ongoing and that was the feeling of the board or members then I would do that.
“But I have not seen a need to do that.
“The clubs and board have been very supportive.
“There is an investigation going on at the moment and we will have to wait and see what comes out from that.
“When I took on an EBT myself I didn’t have any of my salary paid into it. It was bonuses and part of my settlement which was paid into it.
“There is no way I would have taken an EBT on if I knew there was an issue with it.
“I can’t say for certain when I found out there could be a problem with them but it was definitely long after I had left the club. I would hope there is not a problem with mine.
“At that time there was no question about validity of EBTs and it was taken in good faith.”
Ex-Rangers secretary Ogilvie revealed he BANNED himself from having any input into decisions on his former club.
He said: “From day one I have said I cannot be part of any discussion on Rangers. “From both my side and from the SFA’s side it’s clear that has to be the case.
“I was there, I was Rangers’ secretary for a period and I was a director.”
Kit @ 06:32
I didn’t say that.
Trust No One RSC
Kit,
Actually I said a lot of it.
Not the point though.
CO FC
Cambpell:
It was in the Sun, I believe you.
Look, none of this has feck all do with me.
I am still entitled to my share of government money, you shower of cheeky internet bampots.
I is a footballin expert don’t you know.
Can you not SEE the value in me…
Not even if I use the word FACT????
I is special.
FACT.
Cambpell:
Okay now you’re telling me you lied… now I do believe you. What did you do with the money you got from the EBT? Oh! please no… not more shoes!!
I don’t know what an EBT is, unless you specify it’s value.
FFS, it’s simple things like that you dumb fenians arenae gettin.
It’s not rocket science Timmy. Give us yer taxes, watch me use it to buy Kenny Miller. He might be ugly as sin, but it worked, no?
You fenyians are useless. You’ve been lettin us away with this for 140 years of tradition. I laugh at the idea that Peter Lawell is sneaking up behind me with a giant snare, not to punish me….just to get the feck rid of me.
That male presenter on BBC1 Breakfast is unusually large.
What’s his game??
His body mass is 1/366 the mass of the planet earth.
What I’m saying is, he’s the size of the moon.
Sir David Murray wasn’t lying when he said he never took a penny out of Rangers, of course he didn’t, he took 6 million pounds and he didn’t need any side letters either cos he also took all the profit from the companies that supported Rangers. Nice work Sir David.
Kit,
Look, I’m not buying this argument that our Grand Wizard defrauded the UK taxaper of £900 Million + .
He didn’t. He just borrowed it.
When you borrow, repayment terms are not an issue.
FFS. See you uppity Tims.
GREAT NEWS SCOTS FOOTBALL FANS.
RBS have just agreed to accept an application for a multi-billion pound loan to rescue our beloved bers.
If the loan application is not processed satisfactorily, Super Swally is goin to take over from me by demandin names.
CambellQuickNews.co.uk
Nothin new to report since 1690.
I love ma joab.
Only in Scotland…
SFA president Campbell Ogilvie
answers questions from Andrew Smith
on his time as secretary and director
of Rangers and the Ibrox club’s use of
Employee Benefit Trusts (EBTs).
Ogilvie himself received £95,000 from
Rangers through EBTs.
Q: Did you see the BBC documentary
on Rangers, The Men Who Sold The
Jerseys?
A: I was away at the FIFA Congress,
but I did see it when I came back.
Q: A striking issue to come out of that
was an alleged payment to Graeme
Souness. Were you surprised by that?
A: No, I wasn’t aware of that. I wasn’t
aware of who individually was
involved.
Q: Can you see there being an issue
with you being SFA president at a
time when there is an ongoing SPL
investigation into non-disclosure of
payments at Rangers that you are
directly linked to? You were a director
and the secretary who signed off the
accounts in November 2001. At that
time the EBT scheme was in operation
and players were receiving payments
that weren’t in their contracts.
A: I was secretary up until 2002.
That’s correct. I was a director, that’s
correct.
Q: Did you never see there could be a
potential conflict using EBTs to pay
footballers?
A: No, not at that time, not at all. I
didn’t do the contracts. I might have
signed some documents from time to
time. I certainly didn’t do the player
negotiations, I didn’t do the contracts.
Q: But you signed off the accounts…
A: I signed off the accounts in good
faith, quite simply.
Q: Without the knowledge of what
was in these accounts? Was that
remiss of you?
A: The EBTs as a total were in the
accounts. There wasn’t a breakdown
of individual players to the best of my
knowledge.
Q: They were mentioned as a total.
But then nothing is given
individually, with total salary costs
and so on. Wouldn’t there be an
expectation secretaries would
normally involve themselves in
contracts?
A: This is the point I’m making, I
wasn’t involved in the negotiations of
contracts. If I signed off the accounts
it has been in good faith. I was
company secretary by name, no
hiding from that point. We had
accountants and lawyers. I’m not an
accountant, I’m not a lawyer. I’m a
football administrator. At that time I
wasn’t dealing with contracts.
Q: As a director and secretary you had
no knowledge of the way players
were paid?
A: Correct. I knew there were player
contracts, naturally. There were some
EBTs that came in 2001. Now the
depth or the detail of these EBTs, I
don’t know who got the individual
EBTs at that time.
Q: Was there anything you saw in the
[BBC] programme that would change
your mind about how EBTs operated?
A: I did say when we met in March
there were no side contracts. That is
the case to the best of my knowledge.
The question is probably how the
EBTs operated and this is the matter
the SPL are looking at.
Q: As secretary you would have
registered the contracts with the
appropriate football bodies
presumably?
A: No. That’s what I’m saying. I didn’t
deal with player contracts at that
time.
Q: Who was responsible?
A: Whoever was dealing with the
financial side. You’ve got to go back
in time here. Football contracts used
to be a straightforward one sheet of
paper. Over time contracts, like any
sponsorship, contracts became quite
complicated.
Q: At what time did you become
aware EBTs were going to become a
problem?
A: I took one on myself. I didn’t have
any of my salaries paid through
them. It was three bonuses, as I said
back in March, that I got through
EBTs. And when I left the club part of
my settlement agreement was
through EBTs. There is no way I
would have taken an EBT on when I
was leaving the club if I thought
there was an issue with them.
Q: No suggestion of any wrongdoing
on your part, but do you not feel your
stewardship there is embarrassing or
tainted? Do you not look back and
think “I was there through all this”?
A: Listen, I’m going to put my hands
up. I was there. I’m not disputing
that. I was secretary, no matter what
the duties were. For a year of that
period from 2001 to 2002 I was a
director. Probably a lot of you know
the way the club operated. There
wasn’t that frequent board meetings.
You certainly wouldn’t necessarily
know – I’m sure the other directors
didn’t even know – who was
receiving EBTs. That’s just the way
the club was. I’m not going to hide
from anything. I’m just telling you a
fact that I didn’t know individually
who was getting the EBTs.
Q: Do you feel negligence on your
part, there is a perception of
negligence…
A: There’s a difference between
perception and reality. It wasn’t my
duty to carry it out. I don’t feel
negligent, no not at all.
Q: Did you ever think about stepping
down until the investigation is over?
A: If I felt it was causing the
organisation bigger issues and they
felt, the board felt, the members felt –
then sure, if that was the case,
absolutely. If it was put to me to
stand down while this was carried
out, and if that was the feeling of the
board and the members or whoever,
absolutely. I haven’t seen a need to do
that. You keep coming back to a
perception. I’ve heard that I set up
the whole scheme. You’d think with
the amounts mentioned I was there
for the whole time. And that I’ve been
responsible for the whole of that.
There’s a perception out there. You
wouldn’t be questioning me today if
it wasn’t for the role I’ve currently
got, I appreciate that. I would have
disappeared over the sunset probably.
I’ve put everything on the table back
in March – that hasn’t changed.
Q: Has it changed the way you view
your time at Rangers?
A: Hindsight is a great thing, and if I
had known some of the issues that
are coming up I might have done
things differently, I don’t know.
Would I have taken an EBT when I
left the club? Probably not, if I had
known all this but everything was
above board, there was no reason to
question it. Somebody asked me the
question, when did it become
apparent there was a question mark
about the EBTs. You tell me, when
was it [around 2008]. I was away in
2005. I am not hiding from anything
here, I am just stating the fact, but
the last three years my role at Ibrox
had changed quite dramatically. I
moved on to director of football
strategy. I was doing less and less and
I am not hiding from anything, I am
just stating the fact. That is one of the
reasons I left the club – because I was
less and less involved.
Q: How damaged do you feel by your
association with that period at
Rangers?
A: Damaged? I don’t feel damaged as
such. I certainly appreciate I was
there at that time and people will
associate me with some of the issues
at that time. I can’t hide from that – I
was there – and people will have to
draw their own conclusions from the
facts as they come out.
Q: What kind of reaction have you
had from the rank and file of the
clubs?
A: To me, they have been very
supportive and the board have been
very supportive. From day one, I said
I cannot be part of any discussion on
Rangers. I have stood down from any
involvement on the Rangers side of
the debate. That was clear from day
one from my side and from the SFA
side that had to be the case. Now if I
am causing the SFA a problem, and
the board felt that and the clubs felt
that, I would stand down – but there
are all these other issues still have to
be dealt with. If in any way I am
causing them an issue and the SPL
investigation is coming up whenever,
it is started now, we will see the
outcome of that. And if the members
of the SFA or the board want me to
stand down that is the way it will be.
If that is not the case, then we will
discuss it.
Q: If Rangers become a newco, the
decision has to be taken whether they
will be allowed in the SPL or start
again in the SFL. Some Rangers
supporters think they should take
their medicine and start at the Third
Division. Do you think it should be a
footballing decision or financial
decision?
A: I’m sure it’ll be done for football
integrity.
Q: Do you really think that?
A: Yes. It has to be.
Just got an application from Craig Levein to develop relations with a well known South American football association.
Was all set to administer it as usual until I discovered the predominant religion !!!
close shave RSC
ASonOfDan
I have no recollection of saying any of those things.
Plausibel deniabilitie RFC.
Roon yez ya fenyin bs.
Yours in administration exshellensh,
CO.
Right, off to my kip.
The goat awaits.
Good talking about footballin progress with ye deniars of indigenous roots.
actually i’ll just fall asleep here talking to you fenyins.
The goat is too demanding.
Just realised I’ve been spelling ma name wrong.
This is no reflection on my administratin prowess.
Paul67,
Can we do a quick school check on contributors?
Ta very much.
CO.
ASonOfDan on 10 June, 2012 at 07:42 said:
When I started to read it I thought it had been “Awe Nawed”
He doesn’t seriously expect people to believe him does he?
Does he?
Maybe his “other” interviews will be a bit tougher!!
A sleepy Hail Hail
Mon the Ireland…
I do,
Asonofdan
Interesting article re RCO
Would have been better in the interviewer had insisted that he answered the questions posed as opposed saying whatever he fancied
Poor interview , poor poor journalism
Whither the cash strapped scrofulous Hillbillies the day?
Campbell Ogilvie in the Telegraph:
“I was aware of the EBT scheme in operation at Rangers during my time at the club and, indeed, was a member. The existence of the scheme was published in Rangers’ annual accounts.
“My role at Rangers, until the mid-90s, included finalising the paperwork for player registrations.
disappointed by Mr Smiths questions…
Kit
I am sure that part included which school the players attended.. no Questions about that either…
poor interview Andrew…
BT
The interview would have been better if the questions were answered , poor as they were
Cambpell Ogilvie on 10 June, 2012 at 07:04 said:
His body mass is 1/366 the mass of the planet earth.
What I’m saying is, he’s the size of the moon.
——————
loving yer work CO
Youse saw the crecent
We saw the whole of the moon…btw:-)
HH
M
Cambpell Ogilvie on 10 June, 2012 at 07:04 said:
Nice of you to join us, Mr Ogilvie Sir. I hadn’t noticed you’d mis-spelled your name until you pointed it out, but it started my day with a smile.
PF
that couldn’t have been a face to face interview as there was no supplementary questions asked…
more like a multiple choice test..
Grimmond……………
Shameful……
to paraphrase the song………..
“No-one belleives you, and you don’t care…..”
Fall on yer bent sword.
HHH.
errrrm spelling is dead hard on Sunday monrings, I can never figure out why that would be the case…
crescent it’s a crescent moon ye sawed CO