I admit to some admiration for the Daily Record which today came out with an outstanding article on the integrity and honest which inspires their values. A truly inspirational piece, although somewhat undermined by an angry, if entertaining, rant against social networking sites and football forums, which are apparently characterised by “insane, insulting and illogical.. messages”, with a “lack of intellect”.
It’s good to see they don’t take themselves too seriously.
We also got the most rewarding argument to justify the accusation that Celtic “reneged” on an agreement to pay Rangers ticket money in advance of this month’s game at Ibrox. The Record state that Celtic agreed to pay in advance as long as Rangers were not in administration (Celtic may tell a different story), which Rangers now are. However, as Rangers issued an invoice for the tickets before going into administration, the Record argue that Celtic have, in fact, reneged as their payment didn’t reach Rangers before the administration date, 40 days in advance of the game.
They decline to claim evidence that paying more than 40 days before the game was part of the agreement, but with a startling command of intellect and logic, overlook this fact when claiming “the agreement must still have been broken”.
Don’t even try to figure this one out, it is logic way above your intellect. It remains to be seen if it has outfoxed Celtic.
The newspaper cites conversations between Rangers staff to back up their story. No wonder that lot ended up in such a state. Don’t think this is a concerted effort to undermine your football team, you might feel that way, but, again, it’s a problem with your intellect. A TwitLonger link to the article can be found here.
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Auld Neil Lennon heid on 5 March, 2012 at 12:38 said:
Paul67
” But sadly there are some high-profile football people using this gift as conduits for their own propaganda and if you’ve looked at some of these sites you’ll know just how easy it is to influence and stir unrest.”
Any idea who the high profile football people are? Is he suggesting blogs are fed info to bring out the truth/sorry propaganda.?
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Tall Poppy..
Third Person..
Sammi Haters..
Did the DR Mention them Apples..:O))))
Summa
Paul, in order that I may retain some integrity and indeed dignity, can you edit my post, if possible, to rectify my erroneous use of html tags?
the closing ‘i’ tag should be in here thus:
(note: <i>it is still ‘due to be played’</i>)?
Cheers.
Silver City Neil Lennon on 5 March, 2012 at 13:02 said:
Rangers missed a trick there. They could have invoiced us for the next 4 years derby games at Ibrox and help off-set the Ticketus hole. They wouldn’t blink at castigating us for failing to do so.
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That in a nutshell is the logical absurdity of Traynor’s argument.
songs for AyeBrokes No. 1
Where’s your Money gone (where’s your Money gone)
Dodgy Davies gone (Dodgy Davies gone)
where’s your Money gone (where’s your Money gone)
far far away
Where’s your history gone (where’s your history gone)
Dodgy Davies gone (Dodgy Davies gone)
where’s your history gone (where’s your history gone)
far far away far far away
Last week we heard the animals singing their songs
ooh-ee chirpy chirpy bleep bleep
woke up this morning and their Money was gone
ooh-ee chirpy chirpy bleep bleep
chirpy chirpy bleep bleep chirp
Where’s your Money gone (where’s your Money gone)
Dodgy Davies gone (Dodgy Davies gone)
where’s your Money gone (where’s your Money gone)
far far away
Where’s your history gone (where’s your history gone)
Dodgy Davies gone (Dodgy Davies gone)
where’s your history gone (where’s your history gone)
far far away far far away
Last week we heard the animals singing their songs
ooh-ee chirpy chirpy bleep bleep
woke up this morning and the Money was gone
ooh-ee chirpy chirpy bleep bleep
chirpy chirpy bleep bleep chirp
that’s good now
Last week we heard the animals singing their songs
ooh-ee chirpy chirpy bleep bleep
woke up this morning and their Money was gone
ooh-ee chirpy chirpy bleep bleep
chirpy chirpy bleep bleep chirp
all together now
Last week we heard the animals singing their songs
ooh-ee chirpy chirpy bleep bleep
woke up this morning and their Money was gone
ooh-ee chirpy chirpy bleep bleep
chirpy chirpy bleep bleep chirp
one more time now
Last week we heard the animals singing their songs
ooh-ee chirpy chirpy bleep bleep
woke up this morning and their Money was gone
ooh-ee chirpy chirpy bleep bleep
chirpy chirpy bleep bleep chirp
let me hear y’all sing it now
Last week we heard singing a song
ooh-ee chirpy chirpy bleep bleep
woke up this morning and their Money was
paul67
the “jounos” in scotland are mince
has traynor got an internet connection ??
rankers must survive
and bring scottish fitbaw down with them
Jim “Integrity” Traynor shows he is the Scottish equivalent of Woodward and Bernstein – not some cheap hack only too eager to act as a volunteer PR man for Rangers – in this no-nonsense grilling of David Murray:
Daily Record – November 19, 1998 SECRET FEAR THAT DRIVES ME TO WIN 10 IN A ROW:
Rangers chairman David Murray opens up on the highs and lows of his decade in charge of Rangers and promises that the best is still to come
Exclusive James Traynor
RANGERS owner David Murray doesn’t often allow his true feelings to surface, but currently he is finding it difficult to disguise a pain which has been gnawing away inside since the end of last season.
After a period of almost total dominance of Scottish football during which Rangers racked up 17 trophies the club met with failure.
Celtic won the championship and the League Cup and Hearts beat Rangers in the Tennents Scottish Cup final, leaving Murray with nothing to show for a massive investment in time and money.
Even now he winces when he thinks of that season, but it is the vivid memory, and the pain of defeat with which he now suffers, that combine to drive him on.
Last night as he looked back on a decade as Rangers’ owner – come this Sunday, the 22nd, it will be 10 years since he paid Lawrence Marlborough £6 million for the club – Murray’s desire to avoid the miseries of another barren season could not be disputed.
To hear him speak was to listen to a man who believes himself to be charged with some kind of great and mighty mission. Murray, who chose to talk only to the Record about his dreams and ambitions for Rangers, said: “No one should doubt that Rangers are the biggest club in the country, but I know that talk is cheap in this business and that we will have to prove just how big we are.
“That doesn’t really bother me because as long as I am able to influence this club we will be the biggest and we will be the best. “I have spent 10 years of my life, and I know that sometimes I gave up too much of myself to Rangers, but I am not about to give up now.
“Neither am I willing to stand aside and allow another club to overtake Rangers. The failure of last season hurt me a lot and that pain was something I didn’t need nor want.
“It is also a pain which I never want to suffer again, but by God that sort of thing just makes me even more determined to succeed. I am still as driven, still as enthusiastic and I will welcome the challenge of anyone out there.”
Murray was referring not only to the Kenny Dalglish/Jim Kerr consortium who are stalking Celtic, but also the as yet uncovered groups who are bound to make bids to buy out Fergus McCann.
If the past 10 years have taught Murray, who is one of Britain’s wealthiest individuals, anything it is how to win and he believes Rangers will continue to grow and prosper.
“I look upon these last 10 years as a having been a great era, but it is over and Rangers are about to head on into a new era,” he said over a glass of the finest red.
He was about to take in another mouthful of the most succulent lamb – anyone who knows Murray shouldn’t be surprised to learn he is a full-blooded, unashamed red meat eater – when he put down his knife and fork.
It was like a statement of intent and looking directly across the table to make sure I hadn’t yet succumbed to the wine, he said:
“Bring on the next 10 years, there’s more to come for Rangers.
“Understand that I care passionately about what I’m doing with Rangers and believe that in 10 years time we will still be setting the pace.
“Too many of us have put too much into this club and we won’t let someone come along and take it all away.
“What I’m saying here is that no matter who buys Celtic from Fergus, they will need to have the deepest of pockets imaginable.
“The fresh challenge would be good for the Scottish game and lift the profile, but Celtic’s new owners had better be prepared to spend.
“In the past, Celtic’s people maybe just haven’t fancied trying to take Rangers on financially, but if I have to go in deeper to keep my club up there then I will. I have done it too many times to be frightened now.”
From anyone else such talk could be dismissed as no more than empty rhetoric, but with Murray you just feel it is more than bluster and besides, he does have a track record as a spender.
There have been times in his 10 years when he has taken Rangers somewhere between £15m and £20m into debt and he knows that if this season goes belly up like the last one he could be looking at a potential debt of £20m. However, having taken the value of Rangers from £6m to approximately £186m in 10 years he knows how far he can gamble in pursuit of success.
This season alone he has allowed his new manager Dick Advocaat to spend almost £30m, but he refuses to lose any sleep over it.
He said: “I don’t because I consider spending as much as £5million on someone like Andrei Kanchelskis as a necessity. If a club like ours doesn’t do that then we fall by the wayside.
“Look, I have many other businesses so I could find many other things to worry about, but I love sport and I want Rangers to be successful. I know this won’t be accepted by some people but this isn’t about making money. “£56m has been invested in the stadium and in my time £200m has been turned over and after interest our trading profit is minimal. Perhaps as much as £60m has been spent on players and I have even paid in about £1m in hospitality but never taken a salary from the place.
“I get six complimentary tickets the same as everyone else and if I want extra I have to pay for them the same as everyone else.
“There are no free lunches for David Murray at Ibrox and I have never taken part or been at the centre of any of the numerous victory celebrations we have had.”
Murray disappears to celebrate success with a small group of close friends, leaving the roar of the crowd to wash over the players and management.
“Supporters don’t want chairmen hanging around, even though they look to people like me to provide some kind of direction and the new ways to keep moving the club on,” he said.
“I hope I can say that in my 10 years so far I’ve been fairly good at that, but the day I run out of ideas is the day I’ll know it’s over. I’m sure someone will tell me because I have good people around me, I always have.
“But I’m not ready yet to step back and I see enough fresh challenges, staying ahead at home and winning a place at the European table, ahead in the next 10 years to keep my own adrenaline flowing.”
He knows roughly how much it will cost him and he’s heard the rumours that ENIC, who have invested £40m in Rangers, are uneasy at the club’s spending policies but Murray claims these backers have always been supportive of his methods.
He said: “They could kick up a fuss but they don’t. Besides, I am the owner of the club and so far most people seem to like what I’ve done.”
Integrity Traynor asks the tough questions, like “may I have coffee AND pudding, Mr Murray?” and “will you give me a lift home in your fancy big car, Mr Murray?” and “will you let me do the gear changes in your fancy big car, Mr Murray?”.
Integrity Traynor: he’s literally twice the journalist Graham Spiers is.
(thumbsup)
No. 2
No Huns in Scotland .. No Huns In Scotland ..No Huns in Scotland
No. 3 and old favourite in need of ressurecting
No Huns in Scotland .. No Huns In Scotland ..No Huns in Scotland
Monaghan1900 on 5 March, 2012 at 13:02 said:
You are clearly of low intellect.
HH
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grmphngma
Integrity? Really??
This issue rages for a game yet to take place, meanwhile rangers have only just agreed to pay Dunfermline ticket revenue for a match that took place 33 days ago.
Tickets are on sale online for the last ever Glasgow derby for those allocated them.
SPF
That crowd, the daily ranger are pathetic. The best thing is to let hun sue us then, yeah. Brilliant, months of expensive court costs, then losing the case, I say, encourage them to sue us.
Wonder what Paul QC would have made of that,eh?
Nice to have a laugh though
Hail Hail and 3 times Hail
KINGLuBO
last post should have been
Die Die Die Yah huns … Die Die Die Die Ya huns Die Die die Die die die die die Ya huns
Hail Hail
Traynor in his Airdrie Academy days.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W1Xd7DLOsEE&feature=related
You can be sure that there is only one reason why someone has to state, in no uncertain terms, the amount of integrity and honesty they have.
On a very much related note: Craig Whyte has been a ‘stand up guy’ from day one.
Good afternoon fellow CQNr’s of low intellect .
Thank you Mr (intellectual) heavyweight Traynor for explaining our shortcomings.
If only we could be more like you!
Lets not get too ahead of ourselves though and the most important thing to remember is that they are up the creek. Even if they keep players @ 75% of current salaries, how long is that going to last? Then lets not forget the tax case which we are told they will lose, but by how much? £10M -£75M
This horrible football club, if they manage to avoid liquidation, they will on their scab worn knees for years to come.
RIP Paul McBride QC – you were singled out for daring to defend our club, you will forever remain in our hearts.
Congratulations on liquidation
When I tell everyone that you’re in debt with me
Congratulations on liquidation
I want the world to know I’m happy as can be.
Glendalystonsils likes a mr whippy with his lime green jelly on 5 March, 2012 at 13:11 said:
Good afternoon fellow CQNr’s of low intellect .
Thank you Mr (intellectual) heavyweight Traynor for explaining our shortcomings.
If only we could be more like you!
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Some of us are, that’s why we’re doing FatBhoy Tim again.
Oh, you mean…
SonsOfErin (13:09): “This issue rages for a game yet to take place, meanwhile rangers have only just agreed to pay Dunfermline ticket revenue for a match that took place 33 days ago.”
Sir, Rangers have not yet paid Hearts for a player they fielded against the Edinburgh club on Saturday!
A shout out to anyone in the Swindon area. There is a Charity ‘ An Evening with John Hartson’ at Swindon Town FC on Thursday 22nd March 7pm. Price is £15 per ticket which includes supper, comedian and auction including Celtic items. Proceeds go to Great Western Hospital Breast Cancer Unit.
Spoke to the organiser last night who said she contacted him as he was a friend of a friend. She said he could not have been more accomodating and willing to help the unit. Speaks volumes for the guy.
Would be good to show BBJ the Celtic support in the area. If interested you can contact me through Paul67, who will forward you my email.
HH
Jabba has made two major errors (beyond the myriad of daily errors).
1. He’s deriding the new media. He’s done this with a broad brush, as ludicrous as labeling my postman and Ranulph Fiennes as ‘good walkers’. He’s going to wither away on the dead vine that is the Daily record and doesn’t see it..
2. He has buddied himself with someone with, astonishingly, an even lower intellect and bigger blue chip on his shoulder, Jackson.
My only issue is that we are actually talking about them!
So bring on the Hearts the Hibs Raith Rovers
bring on the Spaniards by the score ….
Talking of illogical low intellect has Craig Burley made any response to NL’s assertions that he, Burley, is an eejit of the 1st order?
Ah ——– Mr Integrity .
” If you gave him an enema, you could bury him in a matchbox “
dirtymac \o/ on 5 March, 2012 at 13:07
“grmphngma”?
Or is it best not to ask?
Dont think Declan will be too happy with Jabbas claims.
Anybody think Jabba has every read one of my enhancements ?
Hail Hail
KINGLUBO – Yes.
Re: “integrity” Traynor complaining Celtic didn’t initially tell him about the proviso re: the invoice and Rangers going into administration, tough.
Celtic are not required to give journalists – even ones as succulent as Integrity Traynor – a detailed briefing on all commercial agreements.
Even if the huns obviously have enough time on their hands and brass on their necks to go crying to journalists about not being paid upfront, at a time when they owe other clubs and HMRC considerably more money.
To paraphrase David Murray when he helped push Airdrie into liquidation:
I feel very sorry for Rangers and their supporters but we’re running a business. We have given them repeated warnings and felt they were playing on our good nature.
(thumbsup)
Paul67:
“insane, insulting and illogical.. messages”, with a “lack of intellect”
Jabba has clearly shown that he has mastered the use of alliteration. What a guy!
I’ll serve one back to describe him:
Intollerant, ineffective, ignoramus with a lack of integrity.
Songs for Ibrox:
‘Ohhhhhhh they lived in a house, a very big house in the South side,
They wouldnt pay their tax, had multiple contracts in the South Side…’
Feel free to add more:)
HH
Glendalystonsils likes a mr whippy with his lime green jelly on 5 March, 2012 at 13:11 said:
Good afternoon fellow CQNr’s of low intellect .
Thank you Mr (intellectual) heavyweight Traynor for explaining our shortcomings.
If only we could be more like you
Pies, Guinness and Lard smoothies in abundance and youre halfway there!
traditionalist88 on 5 March, 2012 at 13:18
class!
Oglach,
He Tweeted lastnite that he would not apologise, and that all the critics were scared and would not say anything to his face!
He might regret that one!
Monaghan1900 on 5 March, 2012 at 13:15 said:
dirtymac \o/ on 5 March, 2012 at 13:07
“grmphngma”?
Or is it best not to ask?
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It is the sound of an intellectual heavyweight interviewing, betwixt mouthfuls of his meat and two veg, one of Britain’s wealthiest individuals.
Whyte wash?
SFA chief executive Stewart Regan has revealed Rangers could be booted out of Scottish football if they are found guilty of giving players two contracts.
The governing body is currently conducting an independent inquiry into Craig Whyte’s controversial takeover of the crisis-hit Ibrox club.
However, Regan has confirmed other issues have arisen during the course of the far-reaching investigation which will also be looked at in greater detail.
It has been speculated that Gers players had two contracts with the Glasgow club when EBTs were in use between 2001 and 2009.
And last week ex-Rangers director Hugh Adam claimed that specialist payments were being made to playing personnel as far back as the mid-1990s. Under the SFA’s articles of association, clubs are only allowed to give players one contract of employment.
Regan admitted on Friday that the allegations made by Adam, who was ousted from the club board by former owner Sir David Murray, would be looked at. And he outlined the range of punishments available to the organisation if Rangers are found to have breached their strict guidelines.
He said: “If you look at our articles of association, it shows a range of powers that the judicial panel has.
“What will happen is that the matter will go to the Scottish FA main board and will then pass through to the judicial panel.
“There’s a whole range of things from suspension to termination of membership at the extreme end to fines and ejection from the Scottish Cup or other such penalties the panel deem appropriate.
“It (Hugh Adam’s claim) is one director’s take on things, but, as a board, we have to examine it.”
Regan added: “The inquiry covers primarily the Craig Whyte era, but in digging into facts it has take us into other areas.
“It’s thrown up matters which are of interest to the committee. I’m there representing the board. We’ve got into the meat of what has been going on at Rangers and now the inquiry has gone in different directions.
“The inquiry isn’t judge and jury. The process is one of investigation and presenting the facts.
“The board will consider the facts and if the board feels the facts are compelling they will pass that to the compliance officer and it will go through the normal disciplinary process.”
Regan refused to dismiss the possibility of a separate inquiry being launched specifically into allegations of double contracts at Rangers in the future.
He remarked: “That will depend on the board’s view of the facts and what information there is. The situation is changing daily and new information is emerging all the time.
“We’ve got our hands on certain pieces of information and we’re exploring it and asking for further information. If it’s the board’s opinion that they want a fuller investigation then that will be an option.”
Meanwhile, Regan has confirmed that SFA president Campbell Ogilvie, whose role at Rangers during the Murray era has come under scrutiny, will not be involved in any investigation into secret payments.
He said: “I think it’s pretty obvious that he (Ogilvie) is heavily conflicted. Campbell won’t play any part in any meeting, discussion or conclusion on any activities surrounding Rangers.”
The newspaper cites conversations between Rangers staff to back up their story.
Is it the definition of insanity to repeat the same things and expect different results? Spokepersons for Rangers have repeatedly misled / lied to the press (ebts are MIH issue, off the radar wealth, no ticketus deal, etc.), yet the press use third hand conversations from the same suspect sources as ‘proof’.
Is this what they are left with when they can’t tap phones?
QB