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I admit to some admiration for the Daily Record which today came out with an outstanding article on the integrity and honest which inspires their values.  A truly inspirational piece, although somewhat undermined by an angry, if entertaining, rant against social networking sites and football forums, which are apparently characterised by “insane, insulting and illogical.. messages”, with a “lack of intellect”.

It’s good to see they don’t take themselves too seriously.

We also got the most rewarding argument to justify the accusation that Celtic “reneged” on an agreement to pay Rangers ticket money in advance of this month’s game at Ibrox.  The Record state that Celtic agreed to pay in advance as long as Rangers were not in administration (Celtic may tell a different story), which Rangers now are.  However, as Rangers issued an invoice for the tickets before going into administration, the Record argue that Celtic have, in fact, reneged as their payment didn’t reach Rangers before the administration date, 40 days in advance of the game.

They decline to claim evidence that paying more than 40 days before the game was part of the agreement, but with a startling command of intellect and logic, overlook this fact when claiming “the agreement must still have been broken”.

Don’t even try to figure this one out, it is logic way above your intellect.  It remains to be seen if it has outfoxed Celtic.

The newspaper cites conversations between Rangers staff to back up their story.  No wonder that lot ended up in such a state.  Don’t think this is a concerted effort to undermine your football team, you might feel that way, but, again, it’s a problem with your intellect. A TwitLonger link to the article can be found here.

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  1. What the EF at they doing an SPL meeting, they should be busy writing P45s down Govan way.

     

     

    What is going on here?!?

  2. BOBBY MURDOCH'S CURLED-UP WINKLEPICKERS on

    PAUL67

     

     

    Thanks so so much for this article,it has finally explained Jumbo Traynor’s assertion that Celtic reneged on a deal.

     

     

    I think the board should hang their heads in shame at their part in the demise of this Scottish institution.

     

     

    Instead of doing everything possible to prolong their agony,sorry,existence,it turns out we are kicking them when they are down!

     

     

    Disgraceful behaviour from our leadership.

     

     

    So what if it turns out that if we pay them upfront,the game doesn’t take place,and then have to re-imburse the fans who bought the tickets,we can always join the orderly queue of creditors.

     

     

    It’s only right,ffs!

     

     

    WATPCSC

  3. sixtaeseven

     

     

    They must charge for every meeting they attend. At this rate they will become the main creditor ahead of HMRC. :)

  4. James Forrest is The Emperor of Ice Cream on

    As I don’t know how to BOLD I’ll have to his lines in block capitals, and my responses to them in upper/lower case.

     

     

     

    INTEGRITY IS NAME OF OUR GAME

     

    BY JIM TRAYNOR ON MAR 5, 12 07:30 AM IN

     

     

    THE MAIN CURRENCY, IN FACT THE ONLY CURRENCY ANY OF US IN THE NEWSPAPER GAME SHOULD HAVE IN OUR MORAL BANKS MUST BE INTEGRITY.

     

     

    Agree 100%. Happy to hear that. It should come before pay cheques, before concerns over upsetting people. Truth to power is a vital component of a democracy. So, good start. Let’s see where you are going with this.

     

     

    WITHOUT IT WE, AS JOURNALISTS, ARE OF NO USE TO ANYONE. WE HAVE NO VALUE. NONE AT ALL.

     

     

    Absolutely correct. Otherwise you are nothing but a wind-sock or worse, a propagandist for people with agendas, nothing but a mouthpiece for them.

     

     

    WITHOUT INTEGRITY WE FAIL OUR READERS, OUR PAPERS AND OUR EMPLOYERS. BUT JUST AS IMPORTANTLY WE FAIL OURSELVES.

     

     

    I would argue the latter is more important than the former, but it’s good to hear you have some modicum of personal pride, and a sense of responsibility. Keep it going.

     

     

    INTEGRITY, HONESTY AND THE DESIRE TO CALL IT OUT NO MATTER THE CONSEQUENCES IS WHAT DEFINES US. THANKFULLY IT’S ALSO WHAT SETS US APART, ESPECIALLY FROM ALL THOSE ‘BRAVE’ KEYBOARD THUMPERS OUT THERE IN THE WORLD OF SOCIAL NETWORKING SITES AND FOOTBALL FORUMS.

     

     

    Hold the bus …. I get the first three paragraphs, because those are noble sentiments. But are you trying to say you are one of those guys? Oh no, hold the bus … that won’t do at all. You aren’t fit to class yourself in the group … and as to “brave” keyboard thumpers … your sarcasm is shocking, because most of them have more string to their bow than you ever will. Many of these “brave” keyboard thumpers have balls … and brains to go with them.

     

     

    THEY AREN’T GOVERNED BY THE LAWS WHICH MUST BE OBSERVED BY NEWSPAPERS LIKE THIS ONE AND ARE ALLOWED TO BASH OUT THE MOST INSANE, INSULTING, ILLOGICAL AND CONFUSED MESSAGES.

     

     

    What absolute nonsense you are talking there. Yes, it’s BS. I know full well that libel laws are the same whether you work for a national newspaper or a regional internet site. I know the same rules govern bloggers as cover national columnists, and if you don’t know that you are incompetent and if you do know it, and I think you do, you are a goddamned shifty eyed liar.

     

     

    I SHOULDN’T COMPLAIN, THOUGH, BECAUSE IT ALL DEMONSTRATES THEIR LACK OF INTELLECT AND COMMON DECENCY.

     

     

    The fact you are either deliberately lying or boldly going forward with not even the slightest grasp of your facts demonstrates yours more than anything I write ever could.

     

     

    WHICH MIGHT EXPLAIN WHY THEY PREFER TO HIDE BEHIND ANONYMITY OR CHILDISH PSEUDONYMS.

     

     

    I personally post under my own name. Many others do too. And those who don’t have good reason for not wanting to reveal themselves. We know about Levinson. We don’t want people like you raking through our bins, or tapping our phones trying to find scandal. In the newspaper business you protect the anonymity of sources … so what’s the difference? Unless you don’t ….

     

     

    BUT SADLY THERE ARE SOME HIGH-PROFILE FOOTBALL PEOPLE USING THIS GIFT AS CONDUITS FOR THEIR OWN PROPAGANDA AND IF YOU’VE LOOKED AT SOME OF THESE SITES YOU’LL KNOW JUST HOW EASY IT IS TO INFLUENCE AND STIR UNREST.

     

     

    You are accusing people in the football business of peddling propaganda? You who’s newspaper accepted the “Craig Whyte is a billionaire”fairy-tale with not even a question? You who have written the most servile, slobbering article in the history of Scottish football journalism, the homo-erotic piece we know as “the succulent lamb” story? You’re having a laugh, right? As to influencing the websites … that cuts both ways. Didn’t you hear about how some of your colleagues were conned a couple of years back into bigging up a Rangers youth player who didn’t exist? I can forward you the information if it’s escaped your notice ….

     

     

    THERE IS CERTAINLY A LACK OF INTEGRITY IN CYBERSPACE BUT IT’S HONESTY THAT PERSUADES THE EDITORS AT THE DAILY RECORD AND SUNDAY MAIL TO EMPLOY THEIR JOURNALISTS IN THE FIRST PLACE. IT’S WHY THEY TRUST US TO MAKE BEST USE OF THE PLATFORMS GIVEN TO US.

     

     

    Someone from the media, the disgraced media, being dragged through the gutter of the Levenson Inquiry, is lecturing us on integrity and lack thereof? You, who’s newspaper called the Celtic players Thugs & Thieves, in a story that was 99% lies? Who’s journalist Hugh Keevins was sued by Martin O’Neill not for getting facts wrong, but for making them up entirely? The fact is, your owners might “trust” you, but only to write what they want, only to reflect their own prejudices. The readers certainly don’t trust you … which is why your sales figures are dropping like an elevator with the cord cut , and journos around you are going down like soldiers in an open field automatic weapon kill-zone … that’s the measure of how you’re trusted.

     

     

    AND IT’S BECAUSE OF THAT INTEGRITY WE STAND BY OUR STORY WHICH REVEALED CELTIC DID NOT FULFIL A TICKET AGREEMENT WITH RANGERS.

     

     

    It’s because your paper thrives on controversy, and because you, personally, hate Celtic. It’s a non-story and you know it.

     

     

    LAST WEEK (TUESDAY, FEBRUARY 28) WHILE WORKING ON RANGERS’ FINANCIAL MELTDOWN, INFORMATION WAS RECEIVED THAT CELTIC HAD DECIDED NOT TO PAY IN ADVANCE FOR THEIR TICKET ALLOCATION FOR THE OLD FIRM MATCH AT IBROX ON MARCH 25. RANGERS BELIEVED THERE WAS A VERBAL AGREEMENT IN PLACE FOR CELTIC TO DO SO.

     

     

    A verbal agreement isn’t worth the paper it’s written on. I remember a columnist from your paper going on the radio and saying if Celtic signed Thomas Gravesen he would quit his job and join the circus. He is still writing for your paper and appearing on Clyde and has not, to the best of my knowledge, donned the clown’s suit yet … although he writes and talks as if he had.

     

     

    I ALONG WITH KEITH JACKSON RAN THE STORY ON OUR BACK PAGE AND THAT MORNING CELTIC REACTED STRONGLY, INSISTING NO SUCH ASSURANCE HAD BEEN GIVEN.

     

     

    What amazes me is it took two of you to come up with that. Did one of you hold the paper whilst the other held the pencil? I could have come up with something better, on my own, during one of my Kit-Kat and coffee breaks. I would suggest Celtic’s reaction boils down to no such agreement being in existence. I say again, a verbal agreement? How can anyone prove such a thing exists?

     

     

    THEN THEY SAID THERE WAS AN AGREEMENT BUT LATER ADDED IT WAS DEPENDENT ON RANGERS NOT BEING IN ADMINISTRATION. WHICH, OF COURSE, THEY ARE TODAY.

     

     

    I don’t recall Celtic admitting there was an agreement, but even if there was … Rangers are in administration, as you’ve said, and with other creditors being treated like mugs why the Hell would we be daft enough to hand this money over without iron clad guarantees?

     

     

    BUT AT NO TIME IN MY CONVERSATION WITH CELTIC ON THE DAY THE STORY APPEARED WAS IT STATED THE AGREEMENT WAS DEPENDENT ON RANGERS’ REMAINING SOLVENT. THAT CAVEAT WAS NEVER MENTIONED.

     

     

    Did you ask the right questions? I remember you pulling Chick Young up for that, saying that unless the journalist asks the questions which will stand up his story properly the story has no legs.

     

     

    HOWEVER, IT WAS ADMITTED THERE WAS SOME AGREEMENT AND THAT CONFIRMED WHAT WAS WRITTEN IN OUR PAPER. NOT THAT WE REQUIRED FURTHER PROOF.

     

     

    A verbal agreement, dependant on a number of variables? And that constitutes proof that said agreement was broken? Even though one of those variables had come into play? This has to be one of the flimsiest grounds for a news story ever conceived.

     

     

    THE AGREEMENT WHICH RANGERS INSIST WAS IN PLACE AND WHICH CELTIC CONTINUE TO PROTEST DIDN’T EXIST WAS THE RESULT OF THE PARKHEAD CLUB DEMANDING PAYMENT UP FRONT FROM RANGERS FOR THEIR ALLOCATION OF TICKETS FOR THE OLD FIRM GAME AT CELTIC PARK ON DECEMBER 28.

     

     

    Celtic wanted the money from Rangers because there was a danger the match might not go ahead. Celtic are with-holding this money for the same reason. Are you really too stupid that you haven’t figured that out? Celtic’s position has been entirely consistent here, from the word go. We are protecting our own interests, as we are entitled to do.

     

     

    IT SHOULD BE STRESSED MOST OF US AGREED THAT IT WAS WISE FOR CELTIC TO HAVE ASKED TO SEE THE MONEY FIRST BECAUSE OF THE FRAGILE STATE OF RANGERS’ FINANCES.

     

     

    Then what’s the problem here? Why the self-righteous indignation?

     

     

    BUT OUR INFORMATION SAYS THAT BOTH CLUBS AGREED CELTIC WOULD ALSO PAY IN ADVANCE FOR THIS MONTH’S MATCH.

     

     

    Aaaah now we come to it. And that information came from where? The administrators? Where would they get proof of a “verbal agreement”? How do they know such a thing existed? The only people who could have provided you that information are the hierarchy at Rangers … you know, those untrustworthy unscrupulous base liars who the entire media acknowledges cannot be trusted at all. Or is it someone else inside Rangers, someone who perhaps wants to deflect attention away from the crap performances on the park which are partly responsible for this god-awful shambles they are in? Iron-clad sources … not.

     

     

    INDEED, ON JANUARY 21 RANGERS REQUESTED PAYMENT AHEAD OF THE TICKETS BEING ISSUED IN A MESSAGE WHICH STATED IT HAD BEEN AGREED. ABOUT 50 MINUTES LATER CELTIC RESPONDED BY THANKING RANGERS FOR THEIR INVOICE AND ADDED IT WOULD BE PASSED ON TO FINANCE FOR PAYMENT TO BE MADE AS SOON AS.

     

     

    I won’t ask where you got that information. Have you heard of uttering? I suggest you look it up, as even documents stamped at Ibrox have to be viewed with suspicion these days.

     

     

    PERHAPS IT WOULD ALSO HELP JOG MEMORIES IF IT IS POINTED OUT THAT FIVE DAYS EARLIER ALI RUSSELL, WHO WAS RANGERS’ CHIEF OPERATIONS MANAGER AT THE TIME, TOLD HIS TICKET OFFICE STAFF THAT CELTIC HAD AGREED THEY WOULD PAY IN ADVANCE.

     

     

    And he told the Rangers fans in the same month that players were being vigorously pursued, and his boss told the press that the club as not in imminent threat of administration … oh I could go on, but you get the point already ….

     

     

    CELTIC DIDN’T PAY AND NO MATTER HOW MUCH THEY JUMP UP AND DOWN IN PROTEST THAT IS THE WAY IT IS. RANGERS PAID UP FRONT, CELTIC DIDN’T.

     

     

    And I say again, Celtic were correct to ask Rangers to pay upfront and they were equally correct to refuse to give Rangers money for a game which might not happen. Celtic have acted with total probity throughout here. They have acted in the interests of their shareholders and fans, and with no legal contract governing this process they were quite entitled to do so. Celtic have grave doubts about the March 25 game, as they had doubts about the December 28 match, and when you hear Rangers administrators dismissively suggesting creditors will have to accept pence in the pound after they tried to sign a player at £7000 a week, how can they muster the brass neck to actually question our club and the way we conduct our affairs?

     

     

    INCIDENTALLY, IT’S EASY TO UNDERSTAND WHY CELTIC WOULD HAVE BEEN RELUCTANT TO PAY IN ADVANCE. ANY BUSINESS WOULD BE EXTREMELY WORRIED ABOUT HANDING OVER MONEY TO RANGERS AT THIS TIME BUT THE IBROX CLUB HAVE NO DOUBT THEY HAD A DEAL.

     

     

    And Celtic say they didn’t. You can believe the people inside a club who’s lies, who’s arrogance, who’s ego and who’s overall conduct has propelled Scottish football to the edge of the greatest crisis in its history, or you can believe the people inside Celtic who have acted perfectly responsibly and reasonably throughout. Who do you choose to trust? I think your choice is clear, and that tells us everything we need to know about your motivations here.

     

     

    SO, TOO, DO RANGERS’ ADMINISTRATORS DUFF AND PHELPS WHO SAID THROUGH A SPOKESMAN: ‘IT IS REGRETTABLE THAT AN APPARENT INITIAL AGREEMENT WAS UNFULFILLED.’ CELTIC MIGHT HAVE BEEN CONCERNED ALSO THAT THEY WERE BEING BLAMED FOR COSTING JOBS AT IBROX AND MURRAY PARK BUT NO ONE HERE SUGGESTED THAT. LET’S BE ABSOLUTELY CLEAR ON THIS, RANGERS AND RANGERS ALONE ARE TO BLAME FOR THEIR DECLINE INTO ADMINISTRATION AND ANY JOB LOSSES.

     

     

    I ask again; how do Duff and Phelps know this existed? A verbal agreement is, by its nature, unwritten, and they cannot trust anything the old board has said. You are damned right Celtic are not to blame for anything that happens at Rangers. Our concern is to make sure our fans don’t join the list of creditors, which will shortly stretch from Govan to Girvan.

     

     

    NONE OF THIS IS THE FAULT OF CELTIC OR ANYONE AT THAT CLUB.

     

     

    Oh that much is clear to you, is it?

     

     

    BUT OUR EVIDENCE AND THE CONTENT OF CONVERSATIONS WITH RANGERS AND CELTIC MADE IT CLEAR AN AGREEMENT WAS IN PLACE.

     

     

    And I say again, even if you are right SO WHAT? Circumstances have changed, changed utterly, and Celtic are acting well within their rights. This is not a story. It is a shameless effort to stir up a controversy, ahead of a game which is explosive enough already. You talk about bloggers? I put up a post at the weekend which was a venomous response to Ally McCoist’s own remarks. When it was pointed out to me that it was potentially inflammatory and open to misinterpretation Itook it down and clarified what I’d written. I’ve seen guys on CQN and elsewhere do that on any number of occasions. Yet when the Daily Record – your newspaper – ran with a flagrantly provocative “Who is hated more at Ibrox” headline last year one of your writers went onto Radio Clyde and his only defence against such a piece of gutter journalism was that it did not inspire hatred because “hatred is part of that game.” You people are gutter scum.

     

     

    CELTIC, THOUGH, WANT TO UNDERLINE THAT IF IT HADN’T BEEN MADE OBVIOUS THE AGREEMENT WAS DEPENDENT ON RANGERS AVOIDING ADMINISTRATION THEN IT SHOULD HAVE BEEN.

     

     

    And you don’t accept Celtic at their word on that?

     

     

    RANGERS SAY THEY ARE UNAWARE OF ANY CONDITION ATTACHED TO THE ARRANGEMENT BUT IT CHANGES NOTHING.

     

     

    They would say that though. They are a shambles, and anything that diverts some of the criticism is obviously going to be very appealing. Don’t you look for motivations when you are talking to sources? Don’t you wonder if you’re being played, or used to promote an agenda? Oh no, I forgot. You are all about integrity. You are all about the truth. Only bloggers get turned out like cheap street walkers. That never happens to the press, “Motherwell born billionaire” and “Martin O’Neill’s secret Bayern Munich contract” notwithstanding, eah?

     

     

    LET’S JUST SAY, FOR THE SAKE OF ARGUMENT YOU UNDERSTAND, THAT THE DEAL WAS CONDITIONAL ON RANGERS REMAINING OUT OF THE ADMINISTRATORS’ HANDS. EVEN IF IT WAS, THE AGREEMENT MUST STILL HAVE BEEN BROKEN BECAUSE RANGERS WERE NOT IN ADMINISTRATION WHEN CELTIC WERE ASKED TO PAY UP.

     

     

    Fantastic logic there chief. Had we paid up by then? No. This isn’t like we arrested people’s bank accounts and scooped the money out. The circumstances changed.

     

     

    THE REQUEST FOR THE CASH WAS MADE 24 DAYS BEFORE RANGERS WERE TIPPED OVER. OF COURSE WE’D ALL BEEN EXPECTING RANGERS TO GO UNDER BUT THE FACT IS THEY WERE STILL RUNNING UNDER THEIR OWN STEAM WHEN THEY ASKED FOR THE TICKET MONEY IN ADVANCE.

     

     

    First you admit everyone knew Rangers were on the verge. Celtic certainly did. We also know that HMRC would have submitted their petition for an administration order the very next morning. We also know that rumour of this was rife in Glasgow; certainly Rangers knew it, which is why they moved first. Perhaps Celtic did too. Or perhaps your “24 hours before” information is a load of old cobblers. Did neither of those ideas cross your mind?

     

     

    THEREFORE, EVEN ALLOWING FOR THE CAVEAT THAT CELTIC INSIST WOULD HAVE BEEN PART OF THE DEAL, THEY CHOSE NOT TO PROCEED WITH THE ARRANGEMENT.

     

     

    Of course we didn’t! Rangers were in administration! The agreement, if one ever existed, was dead and buried! Is this really all you’ve got? Is this what they pay you for? Seriously?

     

     

    THAT IS ALL WE EVER SAID. AND THAT IS THE TRUTH OF THE MATTER.

     

     

    You wouldn’t know truth if it sank its iron jaws into your ample rear end. This is one of the worst articles I’ve ever read, and an insult to journalism.

  5. Awe_Naw_No_Annoni_Oan_Anaw_Noo on

    Canamalar

     

     

    the plea for 1m a month needed also ties in with hmrc interest rates

     

     

    Hail Hail

  6. The Moon Bhoys on

    so they’re not laying anybody off and they’re not going into liquidation, next they’ll be telling us there not paying back any of their debts – and they want there 10 points back. Maybe they are the peepul right enuff.

  7. If Administrators dont matter as they are court appointed then why was there time given to the best chairman that rangers have ever had to appoint his own why not just go ahead with the hmrc ones if they are all the same? the only conclusion i can see is appointing administrators of your own choice must have some benefit otherwise why fight hmrc about their choice.

  8. Awe_Naw_No_Annoni_Oan_Anaw_Noo on

    Yorkston said: “Rangers have updated us. Dunfermline are quite happy with our discussions with the administrators. We have come to an agreement with them. They are happy and we are happy, but there is not an immediate fix. We will get first dabs on their poorer players”

  9. ‘they don’t believe Rangers will go down the liquidation route ‘

     

     

    What else are they going to say when they’ve invited offers from interested parties?

  10. South Of Tunis on

    Liquidation will come when it is accepted that there is no value left in the business..

     

     

    Time [ and Hector ] will tell..

     

     

    Vultures are very patient creatures.

  11. Snake Plissken on

    Something doesn’t feel right with this constant delaying of the required player redundancies.

     

     

    They are delaying this for March with one very obvious reason – they want 300K from Celtic aligned with a full house and the revenue that they’ll make that day in the hopes it gets them through March but then what about April and May?

     

     

    These administrators have got rid of no huge costs as yet and as a result Rangers will bleed out until dry.

     

     

    Given they were Whyte’s preferred boys it looks like they are trying to make liquidation a cert and the longer they work the more cash they get.

     

     

    When the Big tax case crystallizes, then and only then will any buyers come forward as you’d be mad to buy something with that kind of liability. It seems obvious that Whyte never intended to pay either the big or the small one now so no other serious buyer will emerge until that is settled in April which makes a mockery of the March 16th Deadline.

     

     

    Even if Rangers manage to slime their way out of the big tax case there is still the small one of 4.2M which will need to be addressed, the non payment of tax, the creditors who need paid and any other skeletons in the closet which may or may not emerge and that is before you get into ticketus effectively crippling their income stream for the next 3 years should they survive administration and not be liquidated.

     

     

    For all the bluster, who in their right mind would walk into that? No one will be able to do a Craig Whyte again as they will get actual scrutiny this time (although maybe not judging by the laptop loyal).

     

     

    Someone with VERY deep pockets willing to lose the best part of 100Million with no chance of getting it back is a possibility so remote in the current financial climate that it draws me to only one conclusion – the administrators are going to lead the club towards liquidation and Craig Whyte is then preferred creditor and can make a tidy sum on selling the assets to the new owner(s) while the administrators continue with their 600 quid an hour jobs.

     

     

    It seems the most likely outcome but I have been wrong before.

  12. James Forrest

     

    “Didn’t you hear about how some of your colleagues were conned a couple of years back into bigging up a Rangers youth player who didn’t exist? I can forward you the information if it’s escaped your notice…..”

     

     

    This is new to me. Pray tell.

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    Unless HMRC are willing to accept almost nothing after being cheated for years, liquidation is likely. D&P don’t decide this.

  14. James Forrest is The Emperor of Ice Cream on

    iki:

     

     

    One of the Celtic websites invented a Rangers youth, writing phony reports on his games, scouting info, the whole lot, then phoned around a couple of the radio shows with it, and had some of the columnists slabbering over him … with a couple even claiming to have watched him a couple of times.

     

     

    Integrity? They’re having a laugh.

  15. James Forrest……great stuff!

     

     

    Particularly liked this part:

     

     

    ‘The readers certainly don’t trust you … which is why your sales figures are dropping like an elevator with the cord cut , and journos around you are going down like soldiers in an open field automatic weapon kill-zone … that’s the measure of how you’re trusted.’

     

     

    HH

  16. Awe_Naw_No_Annoni_Oan_Anaw_Noo on

    Calm down bhoys

     

     

    The wages for February have been paid.

     

     

    We are in the 5th day of the month.

     

     

    The FTT decision SHOULD happen within 4 weeks

     

     

    Dunfermline and Dundee Utd will be easy peasy to deal with.

     

     

    It´s the European clubs that will not be.

     

     

    Hail Hail

  17. James Forrest is The Emperor of Ice Cream

     

     

    I was trying to get my thoughts together on Jabba’s bit of ‘journalism’ to write something but I don’t think it would compare to the way you have ripped him a new one.

     

    HH

  18. BOBBY MURDOCH'S CURLED-UP WINKLEPICKERS on

    meraldBee\o/ on 5 March, 2012 at 09:59 said:

     

     

     

    I cannot believe that Jabba had the cajones to write this morning that …

     

     

    “The main currency, in fact the only currency any of us in the newspaper game should have in our moral banks must be integrity”. and ……

     

    “Integrity, honesty and the desire to call it out no matter the consequences is what defines us”

     

     

    Succulent lamb, fine claret, incisive investigation of what was going on in Govan under the auspices of the lamb and claret provider?

     

     

    I would say to Mr. Traynor that he, and his ilk, have contributed massively to the genuine feelings of disbelief and hburt among the many thousands of decent Rangers’ supporters (NOT the Huns!) who don’t have his education and who rely pretty much entirely on the rags in getting their information about their club. By ignoring what many others knew was out their, by blithely repeating the PR garbage coming out of Ibrox, by accepting unquestioningly that Whyte was the man, that Paul Murray/Dave King could be the next saviours, all of that fed to people who get theeir info from the rags just meant setting them up for an ever greater fall. You saw it on the faces of Rangers’ fans that first Tuesdfay (now 21 days ago) – they were stunned, it COULDN’T happen to Rangers, no one evger told them it could happen.

     

     

    Well done Mr. Traynor.

     

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    Just thought I’d repost that.

  19. Hi Paul,

     

     

    “I admit to some admiration for the Daily Record which today came out with an outstanding article on the integrity and honest which inspires their values.”

     

     

    Good article, but the line above confused me, see when I googled J Traynor this morning there was an article “Walter warned last year it would take £20m to keep Gers competitive market”

     

     

    Now it could be my lack of intellect but this piece seemed rather befuddled, especially in the light of Mr Traynor’s ”INTEGRITY IS NAME OF OUR GAME”

     

     

    Wait…………of course I’m being stoopit maybe J Traynor didn’t realize how important integrity was until after he penned the said article – maybe he could revisit now:

     

     

    He could first point out that the role of an administrator was to protect the interests of a Companies creditors, NOT to negotiate a bargain for a purchaser at the expense of said creditors.

     

     

    He could also point out to Paul Murray that he was a Director of R@ngers when the vast majority of the RFC bills became delinquent. He could point out that it is totally feasible to put in a CREDIBLE proposal to the administrators before the 16th March and instead of stiffing creditors, such a proposal should state:

     

     

    We can provide a professional and experienced Board of fit and proper persons, capable of running a Football club within the Rules and Regulations and the Articles of Association of All the Authorities. We will take responsibilities for All past Misdemeanours.

     

     

    We will pay 4.5M NOW to ensure all current running costs are covered allowing RFC to remain at status quo until our negotiations are completed, ensuring D&P and the existing Creditors are not compromised.

     

     

    We will honour the Ticketus agreement that paid off our Bank debt.

     

     

    We will honour our JBB debt that allowed us to access desperately needed funds for our cash flow.

     

     

    We have 30M in cash to purchase a majority shareholding

     

     

    We have a further 70M in cash to cover all creditors and liabilities until the end of the Season

     

     

    We have access to funds of 80M+, 20M per annum to ensure we can keep RFC as a going concern to 2006 while we restructure and ensure no more leverage of assets ensuring Financial fair play compliance and until we get our revenue streams back.

     

     

    NOW

     

     

    They may want to cover themselves by stating they will not be liable for the 150M pound of debt in MIH, nor ENIC’s 40M, nor D King/SARs 20M.

     

     

    I mean Integrity and Honesty can only go so far.

  20. RalphWaldoEllison-is Neil Lennon Season 2011-12 on

    jude2005 is Neil Lennon \o/ on 5 March, 2012 at 14:16 said:

     

     

    I would prefer that you didn’t type that regardless of your punchline.

     

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    Absolutely agree.

     

    To use those words in any context is acknowledging their own vile chant.

     

    Please don’t use it, guys.

     

    We know that RFCIA directors and management knew about the corruption, cheating and collusion that allowed them to profit at the expense of every other Scottish club. They will hopefully pay a price for that.

     

    That is on a different planet from that other vile chant impuning the character of a good man who cannot defend himself.

     

    There are also victims from that sad era who are still Celtic fans and at least one of whom is a CQN afficianado.

     

     

    HH

     

    RWE CSC

  21. miki 67:

     

     

    Although I agree with most of what you say I would add the “Arab factor” into the gradual corruption of our society over the last fifty years or so…the upper echelons of society rolled out the red carpet to every oil rich shiekh with more money than they could spent…even the “closed” aristocratic playground of the Mayfair Set’s elite casinos & gambling dens welcomed their cash with open arms…with their lolly and private contracts they brought with them the Arab culture of “gift-giving”…this easily abused culture has become the “norm” in the business world, particularly at the highest levels…in fact the higher the levels you go to in the legal, political, entertainment, business or any other industry the more profligate the corruption becomes…it tells you something about the “system” to which we are all subject…

  22. Awe_Naw_No_Annoni_Oan_Anaw_Noo on

    Traynor: OVER THE TOP; Yes Ganea’s tackle on Kennedy was shocking but so is weeping and wailing on Celt’s behalf.

     

     

     

     

    Link to this page

     

    Byline: Jim Traynor

     

     

    LISTEN, don’t you all think it’s time to stop weeping over the tackle that has laid young John Kennedy low?

     

     

    Just a thought, but shouldn’t we shut up and stop calling for the death sentence to be handed down to Ioan Ganea, the Romanian player who lunged at Kennedy and shredded his knee ligaments last midweek?

     

     

    The Celtic kid doesn’t need any more sympathy right now and I imagine he certainly doesn’t want to be reminded constantly that because of Ganea’s recklessness his career could be over before it has even started properly.

     

     

    It is nauseating the way Celtic’s fans, football hacks and commentators have been gathering to shout and moan about the challenge as if they’re all close members of the Kennedy family. Of course the 20-year-old deserves sympathy but let’s just button it and allow him to begin the long road back to fitness.

     

     

    It was a shocking challenge, but he’s a footballer for God’s sake and sometimes they get hurt. It happens and it’s an awful shame but we need to keep a sense of perspective here and stop running around like drama queens.

     

     

    It might also help if we could drop the war-zone phrases such as ‘it was terrible the way he (Kennedy) was cut down’ and ‘it was the savage way he was attacked’.

     

     

    Reading all this mince I began to wonder if I’d missed something at Hampden last week because I was pretty sure no one had died. The only truth is a footballer suffered a serious knee injury, and that’s something that happens somewhere every week.

     

     

    With proper care and attention and Celtic will ensure the best medics see to their man Kennedy can come back and be stronger than ever, and if he is a smart kid he’ll stop listening to all those people who feel they must cry out on his behalf and look instead at Henrik Larsson for inspiration.

     

     

    The Swede suffered a potentially-crippling injury playing in Europe for Celtic in 1999 but look at him now. Look at the way he recovered to become a genuine star, so all I’m saying is if you can’t resist the urge to talk about Kennedy then please try to be a bit more positive.

     

     

    Just stop going on as though some kind of crime against humanity was committed because it’s all pretty pathetic and serves no purpose.

     

     

    And one other thing, can we stop pointing a finger at Steven Pressley as though he did something wrong when Kennedy was brought down by Ganea, because, believe it or not, Celtic fans were queuing to have a go at the Hearts skipper on Your Call on Saturday night.

     

     

    Honestly, they were enraged because Pressley didn’t physically attack Ganea. There were dozens of calls on this subject and every Celtic supporter who got through to the programme wanted to brand Pressley a disgrace because he hadn’t stood up for Kennedy.

     

     

    These fans actually said Pressley should have taken a kick at Ganea. Some believed he should have done so immediately after the incident while others said he should have taken similar action when play restarted.

     

     

    But because he didn’t lash out Pressley was accused of failing to protect Kennedy, even though the youngster had already been felled.

     

     

    One bloke, a Celtic fan living in Portsmouth, was almost apoplectic insisting Pressley’s lack of a retaliatory action proved he is short of the courage and passion required to play for his country. He claimed we need players glowing with the fire and determination of the late Billy Bremner, pointing out he would have sorted out Ganea sharpish.

     

     

    Yes, it would be wonderful to have the spirit of Bremner flowing through a Scotland team again but the likes of Bremner, Dave Mackay and Jim Holton wouldn’t get away with their style of play in the modern game.

     

     

    However, according to these Celtic fans, Pressley is guilty of failing to defend Kennedy after the event which seems a bizarre charge to say the least.

     

     

    They also pointed out Pressley hadn’t been so slow to point and shout at Celtic players during Hearts’ 2-2 draw at Parkhead and an unspoken message began to register. Could it be they were suggesting Pressley, a former Rangers player, didn’t care about what happened to Kennedy?

     

     

    If not, why single out the Hearts player when there were nine others on the pitch at the time Kennedy went down?

     

     

    Never in my life have I had to listen to so much gibberish well, not since the last Berti Vogts interview and you have to wonder about the mentality of football fans these days. They really can be a sad, twisted lot, but even so the game would be nothing without them and that’s why we should always be willing to listen.

     

     

    But it would be easier if they could deal in realities rather than fantasies and, dare I say it, conspiracies. The tackle on Kennedy was brutal but let this thought rattle around inside your heads for a second or two: Would so many of you have been anxious to speak out if Kennedy had been a player from a smaller team?

     

     

    Don’t bother getting in touch because we all know the answer, don’t we?

  23. tic tock on 5 March, 2012 at 14:07 said

     

     

    Bicester, yep thats about 50 minutes away. Are you one of the Oxford CSC bhoys? We used to bump into them on our Euro trips circa 2001-2002.

     

     

    Paul is just getting me your email now.

  24. James Forrest is The Emperor of Ice Cream on 5 March, 2012 at 14:45 said:

     

     

    Brilliant reply James. I hope when he reads it he is squirming. It makes him out to be the dud that he is.

     

     

    Longer than The Passion on Good Friday !!

  25. It is farcial, ” If I let you sack you sack Papac and Edu can I keep Lafferty?”

     

     

    RANGERS administrators continued talks with manager Ally McCoist today ahead of an anticipated announcement over cost savings at the club.

     

     

    McCoist continued to discuss the make-up of savings with administrators Duff and Phelps looking to slash £1million from the club’s monthly outgoings.

     

     

    While players arrived at their Murray Park training ground this morning, joint administrators Paul Clark and David Whitehouse were believed to be in talks with McCoist elsewhere as they seek an agreement over wage cuts and potential job losses.

     

     

    Whitehouse said on Saturday that job losses were likely after rejecting the players’ offer to make substantial wage deferrals until the end of the season, but reports today claimed a fresh deal had been put on the table to avoid redundancies with wage cuts of up to 75 per cent.

     

     

    Players arrived at Murray Park this morning along with coaches Kenny McDowall and Ian Durrant and PFA Scotland chief executive Fraser Wishart arrived at the Milngavie complex just after noon.

     

     

     

    Meanwhile, it is understood that the administrators have come to an agreement with Dunfermline to meet their debt to the Fife club in full.

     

     

    Dunfermline were last week unable to pay their players their full wages after a cashflow problem sparked by Rangers’ inability to pay an £85,000 debt.

     

     

    The money was owed for tickets sold for Rangers’ Clydesdale Bank Premier League clash at East End Park on February 11, three days before the Ibrox club went into administration

     

     

    It is unclear when the debt will be settled but Dunfermline chairman John Yorkston had already been confident of paying the players in full this week.

     

     

    Yorkston is today at Hampden with representatives of the other 11 SPL clubs as they discuss rules on financial fair play.

  26. JF

     

     

    A few years ago a rumour appeared in the papers that the huns were about to sign Didiers cousin Pedro Agathe a midfielder. However Pedro Agathe was actually a poster on KDS who played centre mid for our forum team at the time. Now Pedro was indeed a very good player, but the bottons in the media actually read a jokepost that he was about to sign for the huns and printed it as fact.

     

     

    Enough said!!!

  27. James Forrest is The Emperor of Ice Cream

     

    ….” with a couple even claiming to have watched him a couple of times.”

     

     

    Oh how I wish I had been aware of this at the time …. Chris Morris and Cake comes to mind !

     

     

    Thanks.

  28. Awe_Naw_No_Annoni_Oan_Anaw_Noo on 5 March, 2012 at 15:06 said:

     

    Traynor: OVER THE TOP; Yes Ganea’s tackle on Kennedy was shocking but so is weeping and wailing on Celt’s behalf.

     

     

    Link to this page

     

    Byline: Jim Traynor

     

     

    scum is scum is scum

  29. playfusbal4dguilders on

    SSN

     

     

    Spl to investigate payment to players

     

     

    Alleged ebt’s

     

     

    P

  30. Integrity – Jabba don’t make me laugh!

     

     

    This is the reporter (I use the term loosely) who was a semi-permanent fixture every lunchtime at offices in South Street some 18 years ago pre-takeover.

     

     

    Well you know what they say: “a piece at any door!”

     

     

    Or maybe he would like to inform his readership how his transportation problems were resolved – when he didn’t have the price of the bus-fare home to Airdrie?

  31. ‘But it would be easier if they could deal in realities rather than fantasies.’ Every Celtic fan should quote this line to Jabba from now on.

     

     

    It seems he has been dealing in fantasy for years…

     

     

    HH

  32. James, it wasn’t 24 hours before they tipped – the orcs asked for the money on 21st January, 24 DAYS before they went into administration.

     

     

    They were trying to sign players from Norwich as well as making overtures towards Cousin three weeks later (just before heading into financial oblivion).

     

     

    They truly are a basket case of a club.

     

    btw, to ‘do bold’:

     

    <b>Your bold text here</b>

  33. optimistic little soldier on

    Print is dying. Digital is thriving. If you saw your competing media platform whizz past you leaving dust in your mouth, wouldn’t you try discredit it?

     

    Insinuating that digital media (blogs etc) do not have the moral code of print media is a desperate clawing at the coat-tails of those that will destroy his game.

     

     

    He’s a big soor pus, that’s all.