The umbrella group, Fans Against Criminalisation, issued a statement yesterday (kindly published here by Joe O’Rourke on the Association site) which details a number of events in response to Saturday’s policing on Gallowgate, and the resulting response from the SNP government. Witnesses are invited to give evidence on Saturday (23rd March), with three protests planned next month.
To the relief of all, I’m sure, the statement also records that issues surrounding meetings two organisations had with the Club in November have been resolved.
Our Club and supporters groups are led by the kind of people you would trust with your most precious valuables, as many of us do. They each strive in new and innovative ways to herd cats in the right direction, with remarkable success. The tasks, carried out by hundreds of Celtic fans, of running buses, chasing tickets and navigating the impossible political challenges, is often thankless. I know a few who wonder why they bother.
They bother because they care. The office-bearers dedicate even more time looking after the common interests. There are more Celtic heroes than those who wear the hoops.
I hear Fifa president, Sepp Blatter, has appointed Jeffrey Webb, currently head of CONCACAF, as chief of a newly created Fifa body to fight racism in football. Mr Webb is a director of one of the largest banks in the Cayman Islands, known for its…. unique standards of propriety. Nice.
Quick word for Tommy in Glasgow…. brilliant!
From CQN Magazine:
Watt a goal. Celtic started this season’s European adventure against HJK Helsinki..”
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ernie the raid on his house in the middle of the night when only his wife and 3 yr old daughter were there?
The police knew this. All 15 of them. The child, hiding behind a sofa in terro, seperated from her mother who was taken into custody.
“Mrs Sheridan was then senior air hostess with BA in Glasgow. (She has since retired.) She had a collection of whisky miniatures exhibited freely in her living room. The police without further enquiry charged her with their theft, and leaked it to the press that they had done so. This attempt to blacken her character was an affront to justice. It caused her to be suspended from her job, while her employers made the enquiries the police should first have made. Normally you don’t charge someone with theft unless someone has complained of theft. BA found the whisky miniatures were not stolen and reinstated her. This attempt to pervert the course of justice by blackening Mrs Sheridan’s character is an affront to justice.”
“Apparently narcissistic personality disorder affects 1% of the population.”
It’s a common tactic of the left and the right to brand those with whom they disagree as being mentally ill.
Hate the international breaks,bored to tears.
sftb@14.18,
Not sure what you mean by the “herding cats” reference.
Here’s the post that I sent in reply to your appeal for optimism.
thomthethim
00:28 on 21 March, 2013
sftb,
I don’t have much optimism to share.
I am more or less of the same opinion as TET, as he and I have discussed over the last year or two.
My hold off stance is based on the stage we are at re reconstruction.
In about four weeks time, the SPL will vote on the 12-12-18 deal.
You may notice that apart from an unattributed quote from Thomson of DU, no one is leaking their club’s position.
I do believe that there is intense lobbying going on, which is under the radar.
Also, the increased desperation from Green and the MSM,suggests that their ducks are refusing to get in line.
Having said all that, I cannot discount the recent history of path smoothing on their behalf.
Finally, the SPL chairmen will still have last year’s rebellion in mind and, if anything, the attitudes of other clubs’ supporters has hardened.
“Our Club and supporters groups are led by the kind of people you would trust with your most precious valuables, as many of us do.”
Arrant nonsense. Today, of all days, don’t even get me started on that.
The Celtic Trust has just published a report of it’s latest meeting with Peter Lawwell, and it seems Celtic HAVE been passing on customer details to the police.
Take that comment and stick it where the sun don’t shine. They can forget ever getting another penny from my pocket whilst my information can be passed to all and sundry without as much as a letter or email to me.
The club has released a number of statements in the past few weeks, which I have defended elsewhere, stating that they are not colluding with the police in the persecution of our fans. It is abundantly clear today they are doing just that.
Shameful. That particular sentence is spectacularly ill-judged in light of this revelation.
!!Bada Bing!! 13:25 on 21 March, 2013
K33- just checked Sevco v QP game live on Sunday 7th April (ESPN surprisingly), so hopefully we will still be on the Saturday albeit a lunchtime KO
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Surely they wouldn’t be presented with the CHAMPIONSHIP Division 3 trophy at this game, a precedent was set last year where you cannot be presented with the trophy you have won in front of your oldest rivals.
In any case I would imagine like us they would want to milk it and try for yet another world record braking crowd for a CHAMPIONSHIP Division 3 presentation.
Will Celtic be presented with the LEAGUE trophy before May this yearor will the games all be rearranged to delay it?
I used to be given a couple of dozen miniatures every time I disembarked at Heathrow from Club class.
Fortunately me and my friends necked them in the taxi home, thus avoiding any accusations of theft.
ScotPatsFan
Not sure myself as yet. A floating voter I think they call it in political circles.
I wonder who will entice me to vote for them? The Tories won’t need to bother. They will never get my vote!
LB
Headtheball
14:22 on
21 March, 2013
It’s bewildering to me that I now know the date for the referendum but have not the slightest idea as to how it will affect my money, my tax, my pension etc etc etc.
Where are all the details?… Never mind the feckin’ date!
the gods honest truth is that nobody can give you cast iron guarentees to those questions. All anyone can say in all honesty is what they would choose to legislate for….. and give examples of where they plan to change current spending, i.e not spending however many billions on trident or not allowing banks to be bailed out by taxpayer. I would be wary of anyone saying you will be better or worse off and i say this from the point of view of someone who agrees with independence.
SFTB
PS.
The reference to Ghost Writer was a question to Paul, as the lead article doesn’t read like his normal style.
I am still asking if you get a free pen for inquiring about joining the Auld Brigade!!
Trophybhoy 14:51 on 21 March,
It’s bewildering to me that I now know the date for the referendum but have not the slightest idea as to how it will affect my money, my tax, my pension etc etc etc.
Where are all the details?… Never mind the feckin’ date!
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Sound like league reconstruction, everyone now knows when to vote but no one knows what for. The details will follow the vote.
One Scotland.
LiviBhoy
14:36 on 21 March, 2013
‘ernie lynch
He may well have been. He doesn’t appear to have done much more wrong than any other politician. He received very different treatment though.’
He initiated a court action based on a pack of lies.
He received the same treatment as Archer and Aitken.
Form Minutes of the Meeting of Celtic Trust and ‘Corporate Celtic’ 12 March.
‘in the course of the discussion it emerged
that Celtic does provide the personal
details of supporters, which it holds on
file, to the Police.’
Some of us were right all along…
Mharicharle @MarieGorman1 4m
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Celtic Trust:
“The first item on the agenda was the current attitude of the police towards the Celtic support and the incidences of police harassment to which our supporters have been subjected both at home and away matches. Specific examples of this were discussed and in the course of the discussion it emerged that Celtic does provide the personal details of supporters, which it holds on file, to the Police. The legality of this practice under data protection legislation was queried and PL undertook to have this checked although he was confident that this had already been done.”
Well done the Trust for getting this in the open and I would question why the board need to get the police involved in matters that they have the power to resolve. If fans misbehave in the stadium the CCTV can pick them out and suspend if necessary.
I wonder how many visiting Rangers fans were subject to the scrutiny that the GB have been put under. And if the Celtic board were so proactive with their chums in Strathclyde Police to provide video evidence of their behaviour?
No I don’t really because I know the answer.
Shame on Tommy from Glasgow for picking on a journeyman footballer in a foreign country.
If it happens; then after independance, surely everything is up for grabs.
Surely the first thing to arrange is a general election in Scotland to decide who will givern going forward. After independance there will be no need for an indpendance party (unless you’re in Shetland or Orkney maybe).
Between the inependance vote and teh day independance occurs; the countries institutions need to be put into place. Financial, legal, education etc. Scotland has most of these already. The biggest gaps are the Fiscal and Monetary ones. Join the Euro, Keep the pound, or a Scottish currency. Is there to be a Scottish central bank?
Any decisions on Trident, Oil, Wind, spend and taxation become political and will change based on the post independance voting of the population.
One other thing which can be decided later, is the head of state. Surely we don’t need hER.
Plans can be put in place now, and parties can jostloe for position. But nothing can be decided until after the votes are in.
ASonOfDan@14:58
It is a PR disaster for the club.
They face a hefty drop in SB’s next year unless they can respond positively to this news.
ernie lynch
It all appeared to be a bit underhand for my liking. The way his wife was treated was shameful. I didn’t vote for his party but at least they were different and fought for what they believe in rather than the parties that are in the snorefest at Holyrood and the big hoose at Westminster. It’s hard to tell which side is the opposition!
LB
Trophybhoy
Thanks for that. As things stand, I have a reasonable understanding of where things might be under the status quo and will probably let that be my decider. However, I will follow with interest any details which may emerge over the next 18 months. At present though, it’s as vague as a vague thing. They need to get a move on if they want to convince people it’s a good thing.
While politics are being discussed on CQN I thought I would add my two cents worth. I’ve just read yersterday’s budget by the chancellor and that has to be the worst buying incentive that I ever have seen, I mean I have to drink 310 pints at my local before I get one free!
Stay Lady Stay, Stay with your Man awhile
Ntassoolla
14:47 on 21 March, 2013
And what set the whole train wreck in motion was Sheridan deciding to sue the NOTW.
There was no need for him to do it, but he went ahead with it anyway.
I’d bet the farm he has NPD and that he knows he has it. He should have taken and heeded advice.
ernie lynch @ 14 56
” He initiated a court action based on a pack of lies ”
Indeed. He also made the arrogant assumption that his comrades would have no problems with telling lies in court on his behalf..
asonofdan
Like all clubs if the police wanted to know who sat in seat x row xx section xxx – would it not be incumbent on our club to provide the details providing the reason given by the police was justifiable (whatever that means).
If however the cub are giving details for no justifiable reason then i would be concerned.
The Narrowbhoat Tim
15:03 on 21 March, 2013
‘While politics are being discussed on CQN I thought I would add my two cents worth. I’ve just read yersterday’s budget by the chancellor and that has to be the worst buying incentive that I ever have seen, I mean I have to drink 310 pints at my local before I get one free!’
I think the rational is that prices won’t go down. The pub keeps the penny. So for every 100 pints they make a pound.
greenmaestro:
It’s one of the biggest red herrings in the Better Under the Union Jack campaign; that a vote for independence is somehow a vote for the SNP.
Nothing could be further from the truth. I will vote Yes, and then I will vote for whichever party emerges with the leading social justice manifesto. If that’s the Nats they deserve my vote. If not, I’ll vote for someone else.
The so-called Sectarianism Bill (which doesn’t even tackle that issue, but instead targets football fans – ALL football fans – in a disturbing and shameful way) is a bad sign as to how Police Scotland will act when established … it does make me wary of what the Police authority in an independent Scotland would be like ….
But that will depend on who is in power and I will not cast a vote for a police state, or those who would promote one.
The two issues – independence and the governance of our country thereafter – are two separate things, and I’ll treat them as such when I vote.
James Forrest is Neil Lennon! We are ALL Neil Lennon!
15:06 on 21 March, 2013
It says a lot for the desperation of the nats that they have to virtually disown their own party in order to further their agenda.
ernie lynch @ 15.03
what set the train wreck in motion happened before the scottish govt elections in 2003 when the ssp won 6 seats? basically there was many ppl in the ssp whose personal view of tommy sheridan was more important to them than the party’s common goal, i.e. reduce inequality and increase the wages of the poorest, in other words they hated his increasing profile above their own, even though he was almost solely responsible for them having a profile in the first place.
as i said on monday, leftist groups are corrupted by single issues, in this case it was the jealously of the ssp minions that caused their destruction
Who trusts the Celtic Trust? Certainly not me. Some Celtic supporters don’t so much support Celtic as it is but as they would like it to be. I see the Trust, the Green Brigade and certainly some individuals here as willing to damage our Celtic in order to get the Celtic they want.
Not sure what you mean Ernie mate.
I generally couldn’t give a fig for what the Nats think of anything. My one experience of voting for them left me very wary of ever doing it again. My student loan is not gone. Local income tax didn’t replace council tax … those were things I believed were positive, and I voted for them … and then didn’t get them.
Kind of leaves you feeling conned. I can’t stand MacAskill either. Or Cunningham. Or a good few others. But then I can stand even less Tom Harris, Jim Murphy, Liam Byrne, Ann McGuire and a slew of others who won’t even support the decision of a court of law but would abstain as the government tries to change the law retroactively … a scandalous and unprecedented outrage which these people couldn’t even muster the heart to vote against.
Labour in Scotland, and elsewhere, is essentially a busted flush. As long as a guy like Byrne can defend indefensible positions like that, I will vote for them as a last resort, a bulwark against a Tory majority in 2015 … but for NO OTHER REASON.
i’ve always wondered whether the catalyst came from someone who was paid to orchestrate that dissent against tommy or whether it just happened organically, or a mixture of the two…
pggtips2:
Any Sheridan telling lies, and trying to coerce others into telling lies, had nothing to do with it, eah?
Personality politics cuts both ways. It was an act of madness to build a political party around one central figure, especially one with only the most fleeting relationship with the truth.
Sheridan – and no-one else – brought down the SSP. But they made it easy to do.
pggtips2
15:11 on 21 March, 2013
Aye OK.
It was nothing to do with Sheridan initiating a court action based on a pack of lies and expecting others to perjure themselves for his benefit.
james forrest @ 15.16
true, still you’d think from the books that these people, they’d have learned something from the mistakes of the past, obviously not.
books these people had read (or perhaps claim to have read) :)
ernie lynch @ 15.17
no because the dissention towards tommy sheridan occurred several years before the incidents that led to the court case even took place
ernie lynch consider this form Ian Hamilton QC, SNP member,
“The News of the World has at last won its vendetta against a left wing politician. It has done so with the connivance of the Lord Advocate. If at first you don’t succeed keep trying. Scottish justice has notched up another political miscarriage of justice alongside that of Al Megrahi and Muir of Huntershill.
This remains to be said. For the Lord Advocate to bring this case was a prostitution of Scots law. The Lord Advocate is a member of the Scottish government and the government was the pimp. The aim was not to seek justice but to placate Rupert Murdoch and the News of the World.
Consider this. In every case where someone seeks damages there are two sides. Mr Sheridan won his civil case because the jury believed his witnesses and disbelieved those for the News of the World. In the eyes of the law and in the eyes of common sense these latter witnesses were now tainted. Yet they were then called by the crown against the Sheridans. In a criminal case a jury must decide the issue of guilt beyond reasonable doubt. I can think of no better example of reasonable doubt, than a case which rests on the evidence of witnesses already discredited by another jury. In all my years as a lawyer I have never known a case where the successful side in a civil action was prosecuted for perjury. If anyone had to be prosecuted it was the side held to have lied under oath.
No doubt the Lord Advocate was leant on by Rupert Murdoch’s employees. The Lord Advocate is a member of the government. Very likely they did some leaning too. It was not the money that mattered to the journalists. It was their pride. They were prepared to spend the same sum that Mr Sheridan got in damages on buying a video from a known thief. No attempt was made to have the tape examined by a voice expert. It was presented as it came as though it needed no further examination. I have never known a prosecution case that relied on voice recognition to go to a jury without being supported by expert testimony. In this case there was none.
The case raises wider issues still. Who is responsible for the behaviour of our police? They spent thousands of man hours and over a million pounds on this investigation, while the gangster bosses go free. All the police do with the gangsters is make it hard for them to get contributory pensions: yet they spend prodigiously where a press baron is offended. Dear God! Has it come to this!
But that is not all! Mr Sheridan is a political figure. The police don’t like his politics. Neither do I, but neither of these facts matter. Fifteen of them burst into his house where they knew there was a three-year-old child. They terrified the whole family including the child. She hid in a spasm of terror behind a sofa. She will remember that all her life. The Sheridans are not violent people. They are public figures untainted by violence. The violent people were the police. Why did it take fifteen policemen to burst in when the suspects would have gone to a police station if asked?”
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The main witnesses against Tommy Sheridan were embittered and thwarted women.
Perhaps ernie before you bandy around terms like mentally ill and liar you should dig deeper than the tabloid headlines.
Ian Hamilton is a working class boy from Paisley. Made QC. Dean of the Faculty no less.
87 years old, seriously ill yet he still fight for justice. For his political enemies.
You on the other hand ernie positively encourage and approve of injustice and smear campaigns in the media if it’s your political enemies on the receiving end.
Shame on you.
ernie lynch
I think the decrease of a penny on the escalator on the pint is with the brewer who then passes the savings on to the supermarkets and the pubs, by rights the pub owner should pass the savings on to the consumer, when a penny is added to the escalator the pint goes up 10p so the theory is it should decrease by 10p. I can only see the giant supermarkets doing that. Saying that my local makes several of their own ales in two locations and supply several pubs in South Warwickshire, they say they will pass the savings to their drinkers.
By the way my previous post was a failed attempt at humour
Real Ale CSC
Some people never do mate. I think what happened to the SSP was one of the great tragedies of the left in Scotland … it really was. I was on the verge of joining them at one time, and I thought it would be a movement to really shake things up.
They would have been one of the frontline parties in the Yes campaign, and I would have been very proud to be part of that.
It’s devastating what happened to them. It really is.