Aberdeen issued a measured statement on the shortcomings of Video Assistant Referees yesterday, after their game at Livingston on Saturday ended in farce. With the score at 0-0, Bojan Miovski scored in the 92nd minute. Neither the referee nor his assistant raised an objection, and when the VAR checked the goal, they discovered their system was unable to provide overlaid lines to determine if an Aberdeen player was offside.
Technical failure can happen in any walk of life, albeit it is a result of choices and ultimately costs. Scottish football has a cheap and less-able version of VAR. We should invest more and buy a better product.
Decision making is a different matter. Denied access to appropriate tools, the VARs decided to overturn the on-field officials’ decision, despite acknowledging they were unable to see where the last defender was. This has rightly upset Aberdeen.
On the back of Celtic’s issue on Sunday, when apparently the VAR did not display the video showing Alistair Johnston getting a touch on the ball before colliding with the man at the Newco penalty, we have a conglomeration of abysmal practices among the SFA’s VARs.
Clubs should be asked to invest more for next season, but anyone who thinks the current management of VAR is Scotland is fit for purpose is worth the watching.
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Afrernon all
Afernoon = Afternoon.
DOH !!
Sack the VAR!
Mon the hoops.
“…anyone who thinks the current management of VAR is Scotland is fit for purpose is worth the watching.”
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What was the outcome of the Tynecastle audio? Another meaningless statement, it will only mean anything if they share with the support, what their take on it is……..meanwhile- customers, here’s another jersey to buy,treated as mugs.
As I wrote last night – huns with the very best technology will still be huns.
At the very least investment and an overhaul of officiating should go hand in hand. In no way should there be investment with SFA “promise” that officiating will improve.
We do not create our destiny; we participate in its unfolding. Synchronicity works as a catalyst toward the working out of that destiny. Carl Gustav Jung
They cannot beat us – can’t get ahead due to postponements – is synchronicity now sweeping us to the title?
Can Aberdeen write us a statement ?
Would it be another false Don ?…….
Paul67 et al
No, no no.
So the solution to poor technology is more technology, and more important more expensive technology.
This is the type of thinking that gave Post Office operators the Horizon programme. Flawed from the getgo, (and unnecessary for basic book-keeping) and defended to the hilt by CEOs, Politicians, Post Office Prosecutors, (Procurator Fiscals in Scotland) Special Investigators and Judges, all of whom should be behind bars.
You lack credibilty here Paul because, almost alone on here, you were among the cheerleaders for its’ introduction to Scottish football, ignoring the fact one, that it amounted to little more than the re-refereeing of key decisions, and two those that applied could not be relied to do so objectively. The remit was, we were told to was correct clear, obvious and serious errors. The result was Tynecastle, (meekly accepted by Celtic) Ibrox (which brought the home team back into the game) and now Almondvale which denied Aberdeen a late victory. All compointed by the innate bias of SFA referees, pisspoor technology (See Jota @ Motherwell) and the use of still photos which could not remotely pass for proper photogaphy. No no no, if the SFA and its’ in house refereeing cabal want to rely on it they can damn well pay for it.
Across the footballing world, VAR remains a better solution than previously existed
Is it better to have one, real time real speed decision or is a second slow mo view better – for certain scenarios only?
The theory is sound.
How VAR has been implemented in scotland is not sound. The same (un)conscious biases are all too obvious. Incompetence with technology is just a digital version of incompetence with a whistle.
What can be done differently?
Well, in other walks of life, you would simply switch supplier. Why do we need to have scottish refs working remotely? The clue is in the description. We can purchase VAR services from any remote supplier. Whether the refs are from Lanarkshire or Latvia, the FIFA rules apply.
Any suggestion to the contarty is surely in breach of competition and open tender regulations.
Keep VAR, bin the cheatins and the Beatons
Who knows, economies of scale, may even mean we are able to secure a cheaper product.
Test.
Invest more next season?
I think not, Celtic should pull all funding for var.
Why fund something that is being used against you on a weekly basis.
It beggars belief.
The SFA and the huns have found the perfect technology and people to operate it to give them another advantage
This was the upgrade from the previous honest mistakes by just referees
Next more technological solution will have a hun operating it to the bias and pattern of assistance to one club
Why in the name of feck are we paying so much for a system that is being used against us
From previous thread, “the so called supporters” yes someone actually said that about his fellow Celtic Supporters.
That is of course if said person is indeed a Celtic Supporter and not a Hunterloper.
Back to the real world.
VAR will only work in Scotland if there are no Scottish officials involved in it.
It really is that simple this country is a backwater for bigots to prosper in football and other walks of life.
ITS BOTH DISAPPOINTING AND DISGUSTING.
Regarding football matters what are our custodians doing about the DISGUSTING behaviour from our rivals.
Answer…..made a complaint.
WOW
D. :)
Afernoon Brian 🤪
VAR.
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Never heard so much shite in my life about 1 game getting cancelled
Sounds like they were desperate for the 3 points to get the boost of being 2 points ahead rather than potentially 2 points ahead. I think it is a chance lost for Dundee to take something when they needed it.
I said a few weeks ago that we needed to beat them twice and we failed to last week. By my own logic, we are now second favourites as we are running out of games for them to drop more points than us.
We all know where we stand on the game vs them at CP now. We really need to be a point or goal difference ahead of them before we meet.
On the other hand, my Walter Mitty day dreams have us winning the league every time but in various ways!!
#pockita, pockita
BRRB@ 2.02
….and to you and the crew.
Win all our games we win the League.
No room for error.
We will win all our games and Sevco will drop points before they meet us allowing us to win the League by at least 3 points.
I had a dream…….
D. :)
CONEYBHOY- going by the amount of UK wide coverage of a game being postponed, I think there’s something else going on here…
Rules have been changed, goal celebrations diluted and matches typically run over 105 minutes etc. A small price to pay for VAR which promises that decisions the on field officials cannot see or get wrong will be rectified and so a fairer result will be the outcome? The trouble is, VAR cannot deliver. It has never been able to do so, still can’t and it never will deliver, because ultimately officials have to interpret what they see and human beings are both fallible and compromised. Knowing this, the price is no longer worth paying. Therefore, the VAR experiment should be scrapped.
GLENOWEN on 11TH APRIL 2024 1:17 PM
I wholly agree that referees in one country could be assigned to another. It would take pressure off our referees who are now judged weekly more than ever if they are on VAR which they must get fed up with.
From a Scottish perspective, it would benefit our teams in Europe if week in/week out they were refereed to European standards/interpretations.
The flaw is – what country would want to take our referees who we know interpret the laws, especially hand ball, differently to other countries? Imagine the mayhem if, say Belgium teams, had Beaton, Dickinson, etc. imposed on them.
i am going out now so will not see any responses until later.
CONEYBHOY on 11TH APRIL 2024 2:43 PM
Sounds like they were desperate for the 3 points to get the boost of being 2 points ahead rather than potentially 2 points ahead. I think it is a chance lost for Dundee to take something when they needed it.
I said a few weeks ago that we needed to beat them twice and we failed to last week. By my own logic, we are now second favourites as we are running out of games for them to drop more points than us.
We all know where we stand on the game vs them at CP now. We really need to be a point or goal difference ahead of them before we meet.
On the other hand, my Walter Mitty day dreams have us winning the league every time but in various ways!!
#pockita, pockita
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Flawed logic I think. We didn’t need to beat them twice only once. As long as we didn’t lose at Ibrox then it is entirely in our own hands. Six games remain for us with the advantage of us having to play four of them at home including the game against Rangers.
They have seven games yet to play with five of them away from home including the game against us in front of 60000 Tims.
If we win our six games it doesn’t matter what they do, we win the league.
No flags on the Kop tonight, as a protest against ticket prices
Celtic should push for independent VAR and let the Scottish refs gain more experience reffing. This would be viewed as the thin end of the wedge , but you need to start somewhere. Not sure if this would bar our refs from Euros , WCs ?
Current shenanigans re the Dundee game is all about the Huns targeting SPL management again , so they can get rid of Doncaster and others and replace them with brothers.
HH
Paul67 & CQN,
I believe we should announce that we are stopping all VAR as soon as contractually possible as erroneous decisions taken by VAR Teams have cost the club point. We can also point out that one club ie repeatedly benefitting from it.
Furthermore i would put down conditions in public for Celtic to return to supporting and funding VAR.
1. VAR technology must be the latest and funded by the clubs and the SFA.
2. We have experienced VAR officials from overseas running VAR to educate and coach local VAR teams.
3.. Referees and VAR officials showing repeated signs of assisting one club are dismissed.
4. Crawford Allan’s replacement must be from overseas.
Today no referee’s from Scotland are considered good enough for the euros or world cup. Across both there are circa 50 nationalities represented as referee’s at these tournaments. That’s how bad they are.
If the SFA or SPFL cannot agree on items 1-4 don’t give them one thin dime from the beginning of next season latest. Today VAR is a virtual hun with a whistle.
OJ Simpson Rest in Pish
How come no one has questioned why Dessers never got booked for running into the hun fans celebrating his non-goal? Even though the goal was disallowed, the yellow would have stood, as happened in an EPL game recently. Are they the only team that can run into the crowd to celebrate without fear of being booked for it?
Our players get booked every single time!
Big Jimmy
My son has a horse in the 13.20 at aintree on Saturday, Floeur (sp)
This is not a tip – more like a health warning ⚠️
TOSB
I don’t think we will win all our games based on this season’s form
BB
It’s Thistle fans trying to get Dundee kicked oot the league for voting them out in 2020 😂
VAR may well have cost us the title and £60m but we should put more money into it?
If Sevco win the league, they can use some of their CL pot to put into VAR as they certainly owe it to them.
thanks leftclick from yesterday
St Stivs
As my dear wife used to say in her best Bearsden accent
Darling …”The midgy men are here!”! 🤪😂👍
Am I correct in thinking that, ONLY IN TERMS OF A TOP SIX FINISH , St Mirren have nothing to play for on Saturday?