It’s probably rash to suggest Neil Lennon dismisses the inflated English market when trying to sign a striker in preference for the Continent. Europe has plenty of quality leagues, and gifted players, but it also has plenty of scouts.
The tops leagues enjoy blanket analysis, which has consequences. Our experience of Lassad and Miku suggests that if we can tempt a striker to move from the likes of Spain to Scotland there’s maybe a reason why. Even the secondary leagues, such as Slovakia and Poland, are scouted extensively by German clubs, who are the most desired destination for most East European players. The success rate in bringing targeted strikers to the club from Europe has been low, which had real consequences for this season.
So where does that leave us? Second tier teams in second tier (but still good) leagues, like Vitoria Guimaraes, who we bought Amido Balde from (strikers at top Portuguese clubs are aiming for the sky), go back to the English Championship, or maybe a peripheral league, like Sweden or Israel, again, or Iceland.
Celtic proposition is not without merit, we will now be touting Champions League football under the noses of every prospect, but finding a player capable of delivering the talent for that stage is the central challenge to the club.
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SRS
God willing, I will still be around in March. Thanks
Steinreignedsupreme
Just now – alive
3 months – dead(again)
perhaps….?
Robert Pires is a Jehovah’s Witness, they don’t celebrate Christmas.
I’m Neil Lennon (tamrabam)
14:17 on
4 December, 2013
Folks still claiming WGS cut the costs while at CP. if you think thats true then check
a) the annual wage bill when he arrived
b) the annual wage bill when he left
And after that if you think he didnt have transfer funds available, then check
the cost of his 40 signings in 4 seasons compared to MON 15 signings in 5 seasons
You might be surprised
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Not being picky but does the comparison allow for player wage inflation over the 5 or 6 years?
I’m Neil Lennon (tamrabam)
14:17 on
4 December, 2013
True the figures will match up or may even look worse for WGS. What was the average loss per season under MON and under WGS?
DD-Yes mate.
My brother bought me a copy of the latest CQN annual at the recent Ac Milan game. Its a fantastic read, congrats to all who were involved with this. Real opinions from real fans!!!
I see we are linked with the Partick Thistle left back today , I am happy with this as Izzy needs the competition for this position.
I’m not as convinced with the Gavin Gunning link, I still want to see a playmaker brought on board.
dontbrattbakkinanger,
Then he won’t be pushing a watchtower through his letterbox anytime soon!
AR
BB
Thanks bud. Friday is now pub night. :))
Green Oak Tree
14:20 on 4 December, 2013
Big Nan…
Petition signed……
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Cheers G O T
AR
Hahaha, very good :))
Celtic shares up to 74 – what’s going on ?
auldheid
14:37 on4 December, 2013
And cumulative debts from previous regimes.
HH
antipodean red 14.28
He got the ball, eventually…
HH
I’m Neil Lennon (tamrabam)
14:17 on
4 December, 2013
To answer my own question MON’s era racked up £40M losses or £8M/season. WGS racked up £17M profit or approx £4M/season.
Side by side the figures might match up but WGS was relatively much more prudent than MON.
charles kickham
14:47 on
4 December, 2013
RIFC are heading down the toilet allowing us unrestricted access to the CL monies, an invite to the EPL and the future European Super League.
Northerncelt: ‘I’m not as convinced with the Gavin Gunning link, I still want to see a playmaker brought on board.’
I can assure you Gavin Gunning will not be the ‘playmaker’:)
HH
DBBIA @ 14 35 .
Imagine the boring predictability of a JW Advent Calender
Every time you opened a door,,there would be 2 of them standing there
Big Nan
11:34 on 4 December, 2013
Big Nan
11:26 on 4 December, 2013
Done.
HH
Gerry
Cheers GerryBhoy
Auldheid
i think ye are! but in those 4 years you and i both know that the wage bill when WGS left was the same as when he arrived. I say that because we have discussed it before! so for avoidance of any doubt no inflation correction or amortisation type factors included. Only pound for pound comparison 4 seasons later
and with regards to the transfer budget. WGS decided to spend his on 40 players and MON decided to spend his on a lesser number of players. Thats why mon could sign players at a higher price. A strategy that many on here even today would agree with when we look at our strikers for example
Wee minger
my response in terms of how much the 2 managers had to spend
its not taking into account income. In WGS first season for example he had to play a single CL qualifier and even though we lost we were still a seeded side (on the back of our seville run and MONs team European coefficient). WGS inherited that co efficient and the club were still getting CL progress on the back of that co efficient season later
But i have a question for you then. What was our European Co efficient when
a) MON arrived
b) WGS arrived
c) WGS left
weeminger
14:51 on 4 December, 2013
I knew that bit – who never :-)
just seems that after a long period of inactivity in the market – our shares have taken a wee jump recently – happy days
As if I didn’t cause enough arguments on here yesterday, I am now going to have to put my tin hat on again with this admission.
I tipped Gavin Gunning as a possible signing for us when he played with Motherwell. He has almost 3 years SPL experience behind him now and is still only 22. He is a ROI under-21 international and would be a good back up to the first choice pairing of VVD and Efe. We also have to be aware of the potential for one of those to be headhunted by a bigger team next summer.
Yes, Gavin is a big bruiser who has kicked one of our players badly, so did Paul Hartley before we bought him and Barry Robson was none too delicate with our lot when he played for ICT.
I am not a great fan of buying SPL because I see few who would improve our team, but either Gunning or Shaun Hutchison, out of contract at Well next summer, would be good SPL cover for the CB position at low cost.
I don’t see any of our development squad CBs being near ready though I hope one may surprise us. I don’t favour using Mikel as cover as he is heading to be a top class right back but only an adequate centre back as his athletic running is less of an asset there. We do have Charlie Mulgrew as cover but Charlie too is a utility player who is an adequate Centre Back, no more, but a top class dead ball specialist , and he can do that from any position on the field.
I feel like I may be the only one who rates him here as a reasonable player.
OOPLAH .
Calendar .
charles kickham
14:47 on 4 December, 2013
‘Celtic shares up to 74 – what’s going on ?’
Santa’s buying up shares to give out at Xmas.
!!bada bing!!
14:26 on 4 December, 2013
More chance of the Herald burying the huns story than printing it.
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Had to read that again, as at first I thought you said “buying” the huns.
Who knows, mibbee?
HH
south of tunis
14:52 on 4 December, 2013
DBBIA @ 14 35 .
Imagine the boring predictability of a JW Advent Calender
Every time you opened a door,,there would be 2 of them standing there
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Excellent! PMSL!
HH
weeminger
if they both paid the same in wages
and they both paid out the same in transfer fees
how do you conclude that WGS was more prudent?
If the club got more income it made a profit
if we got more income then (like Celtic nowadays) we got it frpom CL
MON didnt have a CL coefficient, he spent 5 years building one up for us though
WGS inherited a decent CL and as such had en easier run
As you can imagine if Lenny had inherited a decent CL coefficient for example we wouldnt have to play in the types of groups that he has faced and group stage qualifying would also be easier too.
Another point is that MON faced a huns side that had just sent an absolute fortune under Wee Dick in an effort to get Euro success. Failure to keep track at that time might have meant we never ever got a CL bounty (and just as importantly we took the CL bounty out of the hands of the huns in those days) IMO this was the period that was critical to the huns survival and when they failed to beat MON and henrik and co they were doomed going forward
Big Nan
Petition signed,btw a belated pat on the back, for your presentation,to the Great and the Good ( Tongue In Cheek ),at Holyrood.By God you earned your corn, got the point across Bigtime,you had one or two covering there work as best they could, so obvious where there allegiance lay.
Keep up the good work’ awerabest PJ.
I’m Neil Lennon (tamrabam)
14:56 on
4 December, 2013
Yes, but you can’t take the figures in isolation. It renders them meaningless.
Even if our income had done no more than rise with inflation it would have meant WGS was spending a significantly lower % than MON.
Big nan
petition signed.
Hx2
Papa John supports Wee Oscar plus The Dam 5
&
mcgrory1888
Thanks for signing and kind words.
Afternoon hope all well
Dont suppose anyone can give is a clue as to the Herald story. Am just a right nosey sod.
Ayrshire is Green and White
HH
Houl yer wheest
13:09 on 4 December, 2013
Hamiltontim is praying for Oscar
Yea McManus and Caldwell were better
I know this because WGS said so
PS He also said Paul telfer was a good player
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Don’t recall him saying that.
He did describe him as a good professional though. Possibly you’re confused with that?
Big Nan
Petition signed mate.
Hamiltontim is praying for Oscar
Cheers mate.
H.H.
charles kickham
14:47 on
4 December, 2013
Celtic shares up to 74 – what’s going on ?.
Celtic Park is expanding in every way, they’ve started to put new buildings up,that’s called investment,if you want to invest in Celtic do it soon, they’ll be in 3 figures (shares I’m talking about) after the new year,another fillip for Peter Lawell.
Ask Nakamura if he thought Paul Telfer was a good player.