Sevco owner, Charles Green, got himself a bit confused last night when talking about Celtic, saying, “Our main rivals, or our former main rivals, across the city, they have had three different companies in their lifespan. In fact if you look at their corporate structure now it’s more complicated than Rangers”.
For the record……..
Celtic were formed in 1888. The officeholders of the club accepted personal liability for all debts until the club became a limited company on 12 April 1897. On that day registration number SC003487 was given to The Celtic Football and Athletic Company Limited – a private limited company.
In 1994 Fergus McCann opened the club up to 10,000 supporters by making the club a public limited company, which then became known as Celtic PLC. It is the same company, with the same registration number, SC003487. On the same day the company became a PLC, Fergus, in his wisdom, registered a new company, with exactly the same name as the old company (The Celtic Football and Athletic Company Limited), in order to prevent another party registering the name, which retains an historical association with Celtic. The new company is wholly owned by Celtic PLC.
Celtic now have in the region of 29,000 shareholders. They, alongside every shareholder in our 125 year history, have made sure that every debt was settled. Go to Companies House web site, click ‘Find Company Information’, search ‘CelticPLC’, for 115 unbroken years of limited liability history.
Swept aside
Green’s problems, of course, are not that people don’t understand Celtic’s corporate structure, they are that last month he told a BBC TV camera that if Rangers were liquidated “the history, the tradition, everything that’s great about this club is swept aside”. Even he must suspect that he is not the best guy to lead his new club forward.
On the alleged illegal registration of players issue, Green was more contrite: “HMRC has still to reach a decision or announce their decision. I understand the SPL has put a panel together to look at this issue and we will contest it every inch of the way. The view of the club, the fans and indeed newcomers like myself is that those titles and those games were won fairly and belong to this (sic) club. We will fight it to the finish.”
At last we can agree. If Rangers won trophies fairly they must (and will) retain them. Speaking to Sky News in March Sir David Murray could not have been clearer that no Rangers players had dual contracts while his board was in charge. If this is the case, Rangers have no case to answer.
However, if the old Lumley-troubler’s memory of this issue has failed him, then matters will take a different course. If Sevco inherit Rangers SFA membership, they will be looking at many years of penalties to compensate for their decade or more of illegal player registration.
Prima Facie Evidence CSC.
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Thnking out loud.
If I were presented with a business plan that showed losses in season 1 and 2 but breaking even by season three and thereafter ,BUT the forecasts were dependent on promotion on the first two seasons, would I, as approver of the plan not have a vested interest in it becoming a reality?
If I were also the body responsible for appointing match officials would it not be in my interests that the forecasts I approved of had the kind of officials who would help them become true?
In short have the SFA screwed and skewed SFL3 and SFL2 for the next two seasons by approving membership to Sevco?
Would it not now be in the interest of the game at large to see the forecasts that the SFA gave approval to, just to reassure supporters of SFL3 and SFL2 clubs they were not being disadvanatged by the kind of financial unfair play, the predecessor of the club I had just approved membership of, was guilty of in exteremis in its past?
Has Scottish football reached the stage where the survival of the game and the survival of “Rangers” has become mutually exclusive in integrity terms?
What steps can the SFA take to convince supporters this is not now the case when they have lost all trust in their governance?
Tricoloured Ribbon on 28 July, 2012 at 22:29 said:
He was brutal mate,he was hooked just before half time.
Still,going by reports on here – he played better than Bangura today.
Ham Tim,
Dont know about that.Celtic have previous for this.On two occasions we submitted lists of players prior to games against Derry City and reneged on both occasions.Derry had sold out both games and fans were watching unrecognisable players after paying a fortune to get in.Thats not on.
16 Roads
What’s the normal admission price for a game at Solitude?
Auldheid
It’s a temporary license and I’m still pretty sure they won’t last the season. For your general point though, that was always going to be the case, save them at any cost, and that’s certainly the view of most Scottish clubs. I think SPL chairmen are shocked they went to Div 3 so if they survive, and I don’t think they will, there will be gerrymandering and deals done next June. Same as it ever was? Same as it ever was.
Hi lads, there were loads of GBers there today. They just started spread off around the Lisbon Lions stand and then a few minutes into the game they all rushed to the regular seats, proceeded to perform lateral movement and cause apoplexy among the stewards.
Anyway. I noticed a couple of posts there from Hamiltontim and Bjmac touching on the evil eye and poisoned tongue that accompanies the thorny subject of ‘how much time is spent on that ***** CQN’.
It happened to me a while back and I scribbled the following……
THE MISUNDERSTOOD CQNer
“Hurrumph”
“Jist git yer nose oot o’ that screen, ye’ve been stuck on there aw night
An’ here’s me stretched oot feeling keen, for sore eyes I’m a sight
Wae Negligee that’s sheer an’ hugs each contour that I’ve got
Come on an’ have just wan wee look, oh boy ah’ll make ye hot.”.
“Hurrumph…….hurrumph”
“I hear you dear I’ll not be long, just need to post this gem
An interloper’s been unmasked, he’s spouting loads of phlegm
‘See you ya bam ye talk pure keech, yer just a hurtin hun
Ye cannae spell, ye cannae parse, ah’ve got ye on the run.’”
“Hurrumph……hurrumph……..hurrumph”
“Will ye leave that bliddy screen alone, stop pressin that f 5
Let’s rumble on the floor again, ma passion’s still alive
Imagine whit I’d do fur you, and where ma teeth would sink
A smile, a glance, a giggle, wow!, a nod and then a wink.”
“Cough ..Hurrumph… hurrumph”
“Ah’m no’ a hun”, “aye ye ur”, naw ah’m no,” “ur so”!
“season ticket holder” “whit section, an’ whit row?”
“412, row B, seat 9” “whit? Yer next tae me?”
“is that you Da? How’s ma maw?” “she’s pittin oot ma tea?”
Sound of sawn-off double barrelled shot-gun getting cocked.!!!
“If you don’t get yer erse in gear, I’ll likely swing fur you
It’s Celtic this and Celtic that, ma face will turn huns’ blue
C’mon ‘ya bam’, ah really need you over here tae give,
A bit o’slap an’ tickle, your choice ‘tae die or live’”
“I’m all done now my fairy queen, I’ve only eyes for you
It’s time to get down to the biz, it’s time to bill an’ coo
An’ here’s a present just for you, you’ll never guess I bet
A web enabled cam to post our passion on the net.”
B A N G!!!!!
B A N G!!!!! (Just to make sure)
Hail Hail
Estadio
Tri Ribbon
Completely agree if that’s the case. I just think that on this occasion the officials at Cliftonville must have known that a game against Inter, as part of our 125 years anniversary, would take precedent.
Sixteen Roads,
Not sticking up for Derry City mate in that previous post they have pulled some fast wans.In fact they would put Sevco to shame! What was your gripe with them mate?
hamiltontim on 28 July, 2012 at 22:41 said:
£8 for adults chief.
Sixteen Roads,
Do ye go to Solitude regularly?
estadio
Back to your best ya oul goat, hope you’re keeping as well as you can :-)
Hail hail to all,mostly lurk but would like to comment and agree with Kilbowie kelt. Andy Cameron a true gent probably hurtin like hell but a nice guy. Looking forward to Wed and a convincing victory and then onto the golf on Friday. Looking forward to meeting lots of fellow CQN posters and if Kilbowie Kelt is still around you mentioned my Dad Charlie McGinley ex Celt 1943-46 a while back. From one Bankie boy to another. Cheers and hail hail.
Evening, I sit above the gb and they weren’t there today. After 5 to 10 mins a lot of young folk seen the chance to get into that area and took it. The stewards then spent an hour going through all their tickets and sending them away.
Hail Hail
CQN Late Night (Beyonce the watershed)
Lest us not forget
Allys place in the dugout tommorow will be historical and the bench looks good enough for another few splinters in his arse
take a few snaps.csc
Auld Neil Lennon heid
No need to think out loud mi amigo.
It’s obvious, even to a thick Tim like me, that they will cheat their way to whatever needs be.
I posted earlier about the two games we have played in scotland so far this pre season, as bad as ever is the officiating, just a taster of what’s to come this season.
We will win the league, but the officials will allow our players to be kicked up and down the park with total impunity, an injury here, a leg break there, who gives a feck, it’s only Celtic after all.
We both know that the game is as bent as a banana, just like the banana republic that is in charge of the game.
Getting to the end of the teather, can’tbe bothered any more, the cheating, the breacking of the rules is so in your face, it’s a complete feckin joke.
Why do we bother ?
Seriously considering stopping the contribution to the club.
PL is in the position to do something about the referees, when I see t5hat he is doing something, the contribution will continue.
Not interested in paying for a charade.
Tricoloured Ribbon on 28 July, 2012 at 22:45 said:
A lock of years back,when Cliftonville were at deaths door,and Derry City were flying high financially – they agreed to play two friendly games,one at Solitude and one at the Brandywell – to try and raise a few bob.Derry City only went and sunk half of the gate receipts.The Reds were in a bad way at that time,Derry were attracting big crowds in the League of Ireland,up to 10,000.They didn’t need to do that.
That’s why Cliftonville fans always preferred Shamrock Rovers.
Tricoloured Ribbon on 28 July, 2012 at 22:49 said:
No mate.I used to follow Cliftonville everywhere when i was young,home and away.Then i wised up to myself as i got older – the fans were getting treated worse than animals,but the board,Jim Boyce in particular never spoke out about it.
The last competitive game i went to was the Irish Cup Final against Crusaders.
Celtictom,
From where I was, they were ‘let’s all do the huddle”ing at the end.
I would have said that there was about half the regular numbers. Obviously I can’t vouch for who they were or whether they were branded GBers but they were good stand-ins and didn’t seem to disperse much.
Still I’m getting old, blind deaf and prone to wishful thinking and hallucination :-)
hail hail
Estadio
THE EXILED TIM on 28 July, 2012 at 22:54 said
SFA replacement has to be the issue coming out of their contribution to and subsequent handling of Rangers demise.
I’m just looking ahead (as usual). Remember when licensing was never mentioned on msm until focus was placed on it? Well now its the turn of SFA replacement. :)
It needs a head of steam behind it. I saw BRTH refer to the forecasting matter earlier. Football has a right to know on what basis a licence was approved to Sevco.
Toooo much merlot, should nae be postin, But…………….
They’re deeeeeeeeeeed, an Charlie Greens a fanny, along way thatwee fud moisty.
Good night.
Bma
Estadio on 28 July, 2012 at 22:58 said:
Hi mate, I sit in row A of 411 right above them so have a good view of what goes on.
There may have been a few regulars there but most were wonabee’s ad say. Still they did a decent stand in performance.
There was one steward spent a full hour demanding to see tickets then moving young one’s on, if the club wish to attract more fans and keep them then they really need to work on their customer relations.
Hail Hail
Sixteen Roads,
Morals? They don’t know the meaning of it son.I waited until you responded there.They were using the exact same tactics of the Huns although on a smaller scale.Envelopes under the table and so called salaries submitted to Dublin to the League of Ireland until they were caught.The wages some guys were on was frightening.I have lived in this city for 20 odd years and have NEVER been in the Brandywell.The situation has changed now and they are being run decently and indeed one of their players worked with me and a lovely young lad he is too.
What is this with the women’s beach volleyball and wearing tights and t shirts?
I do not pay my TVLicence for this.
SexistCSC
BMA @ 23.08
In vino veritas
In which I look at the joint SFA/SFL/SPL/Sevco statement.
Who owns Rangers Football Club right now? Not Sevco Scotland according to the statement.
Plus why Brechin have three chances to defeat Rangers FC, one on the pitch and two off it.
Why it seems to me that the SFA have granted Sevco Scotland Ltd a membership which does not exist and why possibly there are simply no players of Rangers FC registered to play tomorrow.
http://scotslawthoughts.wordpress.com/2012/07/28/the-brechin-ultimatum-did-sfa-botch-rangers-fcs-membership-are-any-rfc-players-registered/
courtesy @paddimir
Celtic v Inter
http://www.flickr.com/photos/paddimir/sets/72157630793428806/show/
bsr
if you liked that, you’ll love this football classic … ?
Germany v Greece – Euro highlights
HH
Excellent ole CQNer Snake Plissken on ITV4.
Tricoloured Ribbon on 28 July, 2012 at 23:11 said:
Look at the money they generated over the years as well mate,through selling players? Where did all that go to?
I think they sold Liam Coyle sure for £100,000? It doesn’t like sound much,but in terms of Irish football,and at that time,it was serious dough.
TC
Awesome.
Celtic should sign @paddimir
Do yo know Patrick?
Oooofffffttt – a late night CQN Paul McC
more photos
http://www.inter.it/aas/news/reader?L=en&N=40444
Sixteen Roads,
The Cup Final? lol.
I was there too.Cliftonville never turned up.I was sitting beside Ciaran Caldwell and his da ironically.After the game,I always remember it as Sevco beat us 1-0 earlier that day,I beat a retreat to the right.I knew Broadway was only a stones throw away and I hiked up that wee hill to the Falls.Boy did I get full before returning to Robinsons and possibly the last bus to Derry.
Celtictom
Just checked with a couple of regulars.
You were spot on. Most of the ones who moved in just took the opportunity. Some complaints from the GB lads about the song list (singing about dear departed friends and roamin in the gloamin etc….) but being as I said a bit mutt and jeff, all I get is the general noise and impression that one part of the ground hasn’t succumbed to rigor mortis.
Seems that a fair argument is starting amongst some GB regulars over …………well to be honest I’m not sure what it is over (other than the song choice) ,,,,,,,,,,,,but over on the GB proboard there are a few slings and arrows being fired amongst the contributors.
Hail Hail
Estadio
bsr
i agree
dunno him personally
cept for the occasional twitter message
terrific photos altogether
there was another image taken of today’s Celtic team
the classic pre-match pose
i see the equivalent Inter one on that there Inter site
but no sign of the hoops
also, nae black soaks
wass hapnin?
Auld Neil Lennon heid
Aye, football has a right to know, but will we get the answers ????
They are riding rough shod over everything that can be concieved as a rule, the damage has been done.
Do you honestly see that they will be accountable for their decisions, they are a law unto themselfs, it’s too feckin late.
I am in awe of guys like your good self for the contribution to their demise, without the likes of you and others it would never have happened, BUT, the powers still have the megaphone, the internet bampots are still using a couple of cans and a piece of string.
There is much miles to travel mi amigo.
I watched the euros this year with so much anticipation, and was so happy to see the footballers being allowed to play football, then I see the joke that are scottish referees, it honestly makes me want to puke.
There is a chance to turn our game around, the huns are gone for at least two seasons, let the game flow, let the footballers play football, irrespective of who they play for, but, you know as well as I do, we will be punished for their demise.
They can’t help it, it’s in their genes, the hate will intensify from now on, they will be langushing in the bottom division, we will have euro nights, their hate will fester inside like never before.
I want PL and the club to take a stance on the referees, it’s about footballers being allowed to play the beautifull game, the time is now, or my money is gone, I feel that serious about it.
TopCorner
Cos of Inter’s socks?