Getting a managerial appointment right is difficult. A number of things went in our favour when we landed Brendan Rodgers, not least the market for managers in England. The days when a club the size of Liverpool would recruit a manager from Swansea, as they did with Brendan in 2012, are gone.
The era when Arsenal would risk a manager from Grampus Eight, as they did with Wenger, or Manchester United would take someone from Aberdeen, as with Ferguson, even now seem bizarre.
It’s relatively easy to get a short-term boost from a managerial appointment which would take the pressure off board and even players, but football has a habit of bringing reality to the fore quickly. A defeat or two can make years of forward planning difficult to achieve.
I like the strategy of appointing a caretaker if you lose a manager midseason. This buys you time to test the market before appointing an available and familiar name. We have had a few caretakers in our time: Kenny Dalglish won the League Cup, while Frank Connor managed to retire undefeated before handing the reigns to Luigi.
Kenny took over a decent, if poorly managed, squad, while Frank steadied the ship after Liam Brady’s ill-fated tenure ended. Their task was straightforward, get the players pulling in the same direction. If you limit the caretaker’s remit to this, he should do OK.
Had we appointed a permanent replacement in the weeks after John Barnes ‘resigned’ we would have missed out on Martin O’Neill and all that followed. Taking your time can pay.
I’m also open to the idea of a director of football. There is no right or wrong policy on this subject. Changing a manager is the biggest upheaval a club will face (a normal club, anyway). Often the coaches and scouts go too, but if you have a director of football controlling recruitment strategy, for example, you recruit a coach to match the existing strategy. You also don’t need to start scouting players for different roles from scratch.
If we were sitting with a youth coach in charge of the first team right now I’d be doing my best ‘Calm down’ routine. A decision rushed, or worse, a decision made because you are terrified to visit Celtic Park in three weeks, would be the worst of all worlds. Take your medicine at Celtic Park but get it right for June.
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GuyFawkesaforeverhero on 22nd February 2017 3:23 am
goading petec for 3 hours????
Take a rather large pot of water and boil. Once boiling place heed.
Mags,
Where’s the Happy Medium…..tracers…..;-))
FTSFA
AllepoCSC
H.H.
Mags
I thought you came on here fly fishing every night. :@-)))
You certainly catch a few.
You know as well as I do the CL format will never change now. Spain has it sown up with Germany a close 2nd while France England and Italy think they are in with a shout but aren’t really.
A diddy league like ours at tracking a TV audience in the 10’s of 20’s will never make an impact or be able to change it.
It is what it is.
It’s crap bit it is what it is. WWE.
MWD
Now the penny drops. Brendan didny say he wanted a new pitch.
What he actually said was, I want a level playing field.
Them smsm liars.
MoonbeamsWD on 22nd February 2017 3:58 am
if thats the logic for keeping the huns around Im not participating. Already stopped it financially. My love of celtic makes it difficult for me to give in to the hypocritical horror that inspired Walfrid. However, if thats what Tims want I will wave a flag now and again.
Margaret McGill on 22nd February 2017 3.53am
S Africa 132/4
Good to hear from you. To better let me gauge your contempt for me, did you intend to type heid or head?
As for my other main “man fishing” I will repeat what I said the other night.
I am still amazed that the majority of Tims have no conceptual comprehensive difficulties that the creator of the universe both inside and outside the causality of the Minkowski cone stumbled about the palestinian wilderness 2000 years ago no problem but cant grasp how huns are funded. It beats me!
no conceptual comprehension…..works for me…..;-))
FTSFA
H.H.
Do they use Minkowski cones to dribble round in training still?
http://www.thenational.scot/sport/15107724.Football__James_Forrest_backing_Cetltic_team_mate_Stuart_Armstrong_for_Scotland_debut/
Mags
It’s not my logic for keeping Ersatz FC around. Might be the PLC’s though.
I’d happily see them wiped off the face of the planet for good and take their £10m Peter moaned about losing with them. As well as all the old firm fans who returned this season.
MWD
http://www.thenational.scot/sport/15105423.Martin_Hannan__Where_is_the_absent_King_of_Rangers_/?ref=mrb&lp=1
Anyway Mags
I’m with Canamalar.
I want us to join the Russian league setup the Trump can sponsor us. The Scottish / German connection should help with Trump. Scottish Granny to Scottish Team, German whatever he had to us leaving flood lights on for the Luftwaffa.
MWD
Time to try get some kip.
Hail Hail
MWD
So, how will the hotel stuff look when, the huns die again and……
The 30,000 empty seats reappear ?
Then, Brendan and his mibbery-muzzle,….dae a runner wi Moussa….
Tae the Gunner’s…..?
Then, the PLC will dine out on Brendan’s treble…till the died huns….
Reappear tae try and halt big Malky MacKay’s charge towards 15 in a row….
Nahhhh,……seriously,….ah think that Cellic’s got a green light tae get oot of….
Orange-Masonic-Dark-Arts-Scotland…..imho….l hope so!
PETEC – Hi, Jungle-Juicer….hope ye don’t mind me asking but,…..is yer real name…
Peter Cushing :-)
Well done tae the Cellic for the hotel news HH
Thoughts and Prayers for all Celts in need.
…..off-oot-zzzzz…..
The year is 2018, Trump has just been assassinated by his own son. He finds himself in the void between Heaven and He’ll. He looks at the pearly gates, CLOSED, it says. He looks at Hell, WELCOME DONALD, it says. He walks over and the Devil himself is there to greet him. “hello Donald, I’ve been waiting for you for quite some time. Unfortunately we’re a bit busy at the moment, so in order to fit you in we have to let Someone out. But I’ll leave that up to you. You have 3 choices . The Devil takes him along a corridor with 3 doors .”Pick one”he says. Donald picks the first door. “Oh I almost forgot” say the devil, “whichever one you pick I have to release the occupant. Donald walks through door 1, in it Ronald Reagan is in one of his early B movies but the apache s have caught him and are roasting him alive over the camp fire. Ronald is screaming in agony.
Take me to the next room, Donald says to the devil. “Fair enough says the devil.
Room 2. Donald walks through and can’t believe he’s on the 18th green of his own golf course in Scotland. Tiger Woods has a 3footer for the British Open. All of a sudden Tigers ex wife roars onto the green in a monster truck, slams into Tiger then reverses over him time after time screaming “How’s that for a birdie you cheating son of a bitch”
“Take me to the next room, says Donald. “Last chance” says the devil.
Room 3. Donald is back in the Oval Office, but wait, Bill Clinton is behind the desk, smoking a big cigar, and what’s that bobing up and down between his legs? It’s Monica Lewinski, doing what Monica does best.
“OK OK, I’ll have this room” Donald says to the devil.
“You sure”says the devil.
“Yes yes, I’m sure” says Donald.
The devil whistles loudly then says.
“Lewinski. You’re outta here”
Delighted to read about the planned redevelopment around Celtic Park. When I look at the area now,and think of what it might look like soon if everything comes off,I can class myself as a happyclapper for a change!
Seriously,when I think back to the way it all looked in the 60s,70s etc,it’s no comparison. Yes,the council deserve praise for realising that certain housing had no future,and decrepit former factories,warehouses,etc,were just an eyesore,but the club have excelled by being proactive too. They haven’t allowed the derelict land to simply remain so,they came up with a redevelopment plan which benefits Celtic,the local area,and hopefully the city as a whole.
I doubt this is their final move. Might be the last for a while,mind.
HH
Good morning friends. After about 18 hours of incessant rain, the view from my window this morning reveals loads of puddles underfoot, but dry and calmish overhead. Just as well as Wednesday is my ‘walk to work’ day ;-)
Good morning CQN from a dull,mild but very breezy East Devon.
” Anything is possible IF you don’t know what you are talking about.”
Luke to the Corinthians. Ch. 7:1
Huns announce their own plans for upgrade to their midden.
http://s1239.photobucket.com/user/afewextralimes/media/cardboard.jpg.html
Anyone I be the hospitality trade? Do hotels make much money? Serious question. Is this going to be a revenue stream for us? I often wonder how some places keep the doors open.
Now, I for one would frequent such a hotel on visits to Scotland, not necessarily as a staying guest as my folks live not too far from paradise and I generally reside with them. But I’d be there for a drink or two, dinner etc I suspect a whole lot of tims will use the place for weddings, family occasions, socials, fundraisers, supporters club functions etc if it’s not overly Celtic themed we might get plenty of corporate stuff going on due to relatively good transport links (relatively!) But I would not like a white elephant or millstone around our necks either. Will it make money or at least, as the business guys say, ‘wash its face’?
I also don’t read anything in to this other than Celtic have a plan to enhance Celtic! Not everything is a sign of something more – sometimes it is what it is.
And I’m glad I’m not on the night shift on CQN. Holy crud. Bat guava
RobertTressell on 22nd February 2017 7:12 am
I think you can be sure we will not be running the Hotel, one of the big Hotel groups will be doing that, we will be getting a rent in effect
Some great humour on here over the last day. If I had to pick a winner my laugh out loud award would go to KevJ. Brilliant!
According to E Tims:
Celtic FC shouldn’t be building hotels. They should be building shelters for the homeless, they should be setting up and paying for soup kitchens, maybe even towards solar panels on tower blocks.
Thats why I’m a Celtic fan, because there used to be something that made you feel a little bit taller, a little bit more useful.
A little bit different.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
If Celtic get 40 million for MD that would build a lot of soup kitchens????????????????
Today, it feels like Celtic are just a club like any other.
Arrived safely ;-)
Morning all
Apilogies in advance fir soelling mistakes. Wrong specs
I have to admit to a fair amount of unease about yesterday’s announcements.
Partly I am ubeasy because the plans are at the very early stage. Football clubs have talked about building hotels and all sorts of other stuff for a long time and I cannot remember many , indeed any, hotels being built near a big football club- Chelsea maybe. Nor is there any news of how all this is to be funded.
I acknowledge that a museum and a more solid looking, better appointed ticket office will spruce the place up ( even more) and the museum could well be a nice little earner but I do wonder about the viability of a hotel in the area. However, whist I am not a great fan of the board whatever else I think of them, being reckless with money and also stupid are not vices they are usually guilty of so I assume this has been thought through. But my unease remains.
My unease extends to the reaction of the support I have observed. I know partly there is a windup factor at play given the plight of the Ibrox club but boasting about our wealth seems vulgar and unclassy to me and all a bit Rangers c1997 when the cry was basically ‘We are considerably richer than you!!’ That ended well didn’t it?
Unease does not quite equate to disapproval of what is being discussed and I am interested to see how it all pans out if it does pan out at all. But right now to me this all seems an awfully long way from a dinner table for the needy of the East End. And pragmatist that I am, one who knows we moved away from Brother Walfrid’s original plan very quickly, I am still uneasy.
Jimbo67
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Goooood Morning CQN
Ain’t it great being a Bhoy (or Ghirl )
Jimbo67
Hotel Football, has opened in the past 12 months, within 50 meters of Man Utd ground, and just across from the premier Inn on Sir Alex Ferguson way, which is about 100 m to the ground
I’m sure hotel football was built through a group of ex players headed up by the Nevilles’s ??? All based on Man Utd
Cowiebhoy
Thanks for info
Jimbo67
Cowiebhoy,
https://www.ft.com/content/42d68764-c324-11e4-9c27-00144feab7de
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/newsbysector/constructionandproperty/11154760/Ryan-Giggs-and-Gary-Nevilles-Hotel-Football-to-suffer-from-Manchester-Uniteds-exit-from-Champions-League.html
Chelsea and west ham both had hotels.
Maidín maith daoibh
Out to spread some financial happiness amongst childer,grandchilder,siblings and friends.
Everyone’s a winner,that’s for sure.
HH BB
https://www.facebook.com/punters.guide/photos/a.1493854510852552.1073741825.1493854477519222/1930669470504385/?type=3&comment_id=1931317420439590
https://mobile.twitter.com/Iwobiesque/status/833444831951216643/video/1
I can’t say what I’m thinking as I’ll upset the PC brigade, but what the….oh as I say, I’d better keep schtum….
…and from FF, an even bigger WTF
Default For those who like a good conspiracy theory.
Listened to a guy talking about our problems with admin etc, he had a story that was so far out there I had to listen to it all. When I asked if he could prove ANY of it he said “I don’t need to, these things always come out in the end”
Take with pinch of salt obviously. I thought it would make good reading though. It’s mental but entertaining.
The whole plan to purchase our club was done with the intention of syphoning millions out of the coffers and into the pockets of two guys (One Scottish with ties to the mhankies, one English with ties to Southampton) who were pulling the strings of the whole event. The club would get forced into administration and bought back at pennies on the pound. There would then be financial shackles placed on the club long enough to prevent us reemerging as challengers for the only CL place, for years to come.
As security to the mhanks potential failure to qualify (loss of £10 million plus windfall) and assurance that they maintain a strong financial position, Southampton would agree to 1 transfer every year that they did not qualify and pay a minimum of £10 million each time.
In addition, while the leeches continued to choke our club, we would be given finance by a “trade partner” with the agreement that the club gave security of their major assets, club crest and stadium naming rights. This was to ensure that in the likely event of us being ran by Green and co long enough to syphon off more funds and force admin 2 or liquidation, the “trade partner” would be the type of individual who if he wasn’t profiting enough from a retail deal, wouldn’t think twice about allowing the club to fold in order to profit from the assets.
He says that the plan to do this began when we hit 50 titles and they realised that we were in danger of leaving them behind. They tried to discuss a purchase of the club before Murray put the club up for sale, but one of DM’s trusted advisors had been aware of the scheme brewing, after info from a high positioned colleague he had who had worked in a similar consultancy position with the chap tied to Southampton. This guy no longer worked with him due to a fall out and subsequent sacking over alleged irregularities in his expenses account (of all things)
The whole project suited all the involved parties and ultimately was aimed at reversing the polarity between the old firm and putting them on a financial footing that could not be matched. While we would be unable to work our way out of it, even if we sold every seat for every game and bought a new strip every time we played.
The guy was actually quite funny but was deadly serious in his view. You know that way where the story is so intricate and detailed that you begin to wonder how it could be made up?”
I genuinely don’t understand the negative sentiment.
Surely the long term objective is for the projects to pay for themselves, then ultimately make a profit which in turn will subsidise the development of the football team?
Enterprise.
Obviously it’s speculation if the project is going to succeed or fail in the long term,however like any venture of this type – you surely have to speculate to accumulate?
Maybe forget about it and just give the money to charity instead? I don’t know for certain, however the club seems to raise a lot of money for charitable causes anyway.
Think of all the employment that is going to be created, both in the construction of new developments and also jobs for people who work in these places when completed.
Is generating work for unemployed people not a good thing?
That would be even more beneficial in my humble opinion.
HH.
Morning all. HH
The proposed Celtic Hotel development.
The club’s second largest shareholder, Chris Trainer of the Forrest Group has a Hotels subsidiary. I would imagine Celtic have had discussions with him.
HH!!