I received a text early evening on 18th August last year: “Gongalves starts”. Former Hearts player, Jose Gongalves, was one of a handful of players FC Sion signed illegally in the summer 2011 transfer window and he had been named to start against Celtic in the Europa League qualifier, first leg.
As a contest, the tie was over. There followed two matches with considerable effort and drama from both teams but the eventual outcome was, literally, never in doubt, the courts would have their way. Sion would be expelled from the competition and Celtic would progress to the group stage.
Today Celtic’s only remaining competitor from the chasing pack for the SPL title is up in court to face the HM Revenue and Customs. The courts will have their way again but although you may feel the outcome of Rangers tax case is inevitable (I do), the impact on this season’s league championship is less assured. Should they lose, Rangers have the option to appeal, postponing any negative impact on the company until next season at the earliest.
If Rangers have, or can generate, enough cash to keep the lights on this season the league will be nip and tuck until the end of the season. The tax case will attract most attention but if you are looking for indications of how the season is likely to go, keep an eye open for cash related incidents.
Well done to Rangers’ broadcast partner, STV, for their story this morning on SPL discipline. They report the Ibrox club have the worst disciplinary record in the league, having accumulated a total of 41 bookings, contrasting starkly with the cool class at Celtic Park who are best behaved in the league with only 20 bookings.
With Beram Kayal out for the season Ki Sung-Yeung is the Celtic player closest to a suspension, a further three yellow cards would put the Korean over the threshold. Rangers have Lafferty one booking, Edu and Bocanegra two, with Goian, Broadfoot, Bartley and Whittaker all three away from a suspension. Lee McCulloch has only been booked twice this season but shows enormous potential.
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From my reading of RTC and even some posts on here
Will it not be Recievership rather than the Administration route that CW will opt for?
They are kacking themselfs
there is a new line of jokes coming soon,
so there was this phone in once,
and some guys called Pat , Mark and Sean, phones in and said ……….
oops there s the music , ………………
Saint Stivs
16 January, 2012 at 19:47
Ah called earlier,david the fone lacky has a strike rate of about 1 in 20 when it comes to getting me on.
Al do ma best to get you on is his mantra but when he takes ma call ah usually dont get tae air.
well in mark, sean, patrick.
I’m never listening to keevins’ bile again, God knows why I started again, he’s trying to pave the way for a newco to get instant entry.
It’s not about hatred, hugh – it’s about fairness, and proper consequences for cheating. To let the huns off scot free is the outcome that would truly destroy scottish football, because it would be devoid of integrity and credibility.
RRC
CW wil do everything he can to go down the receivership route, as a receiver would work at his behest, admin would not.
Well done Sean,its always good tae hear someone sticking up furra fellow tim and keevins getting it tight well thats not too shabby either.
THE EXILED TIM says:
16 January, 2012 at 19:44
Listening, go on Sean…
Who are all these people that are ganging up on these poor radio hacks that Keevins refers to…shame on you where ever you are…:) (and for anybody that doesn’t know, I have just done a smiley.
So anybody that will withdraw their financial support by going along to Celtic Park, hate thems, aye right Hugh, I’ll crack the jokes.
The decision Hugh is based on integrity for standing up for the honest Clubs and their Supporters. And IF and it is a very big IF our Board colluded to keep them in the league when they have blatantly cheated, we as Supporters are entitled to let our Board know we will make a stance for the honest people, which includes all you on the internet…
That my friends on the internet is a point of principle not based on hatred…
Wish that call had come on sooner I would have phoned and spelled it out for Hugh. Maybe he will read the blog…or maybe not.
Keep the Faith!
Hail Hail!
TET
Yeah, that was my take on it.
They mentioned the term “Hive Down” which I have never heard before and I’m not that sure I fully grasped the concept, but I saw that the main difference was in who the Reciever would be acting on behalf of.
You undersatnd the “Hive Down” thing, Bud?
Parkheadcumsalford
Unfortunately never got to see him mate but any footage i do see it seems to be the norm, Kicked and got back up for more.
Refs & The Media…..some things never change eh. HH
Oh Darryl Broadfoot is hurtin,,,, he’s also spilled a few beans,,, haha,,,,haha,,, haha,haha,haha
Serge says:
16 January, 2012 at 19:42
I was at the game.
The strange thing about that incident, is, that it was one of three similar cases.
Beck ,was one. Aird of St. Johnstone, was another.
The third, was a winger from P. Thistle, whose name I can never remember.
All three guys were about the same height as Jimmy and all three involved Jinky retaliating from a tackle from behind. Tackles that he never saw coming.
Prior to that time, wingers never back tracked, but such was JJ’s ability to destroy left backs, reinforcements were needed.
Jimmy took all sorts of abuse from the Greigs and Lunns of the game, because he could see them coming and was prepared.
It was the tackle from the back that brought on the red mist.
Thanks Terry,
From a legend such as yourself that mean alot ;)
Need to go and calm down now..absolutely shaking with rage. I’ll be back later.
Thanks to Sean and Patrick if you’re on here.
Lennybhoy
I noticed they never went near Riepermans point about integrity, they can’t go there, they have no answer to it.
All us internet hoodlims getting together, the mind boggles :>)
RRC:
Whyte holds the “floating charge.” He has first dibs and can appoint a reciever. That assures that he gets paid. Here’s the fun part mate.
Unless Whyte is what he says he is, a guy who wants to take Rangers forward, the second he gets his money, or the bulk of the assets, he will head for the hills.
Whatever is left is what the administrator gets to sell off or restructure. It’s the administrator who gets to decide on the viability of a pre-pack, and to do so they need HMRC to approve it, as they are the largest creditor overall.
Now, if Whyte really IS interested in making a horse-race of Rangers, if he really does think it’s a viable business, he can try to do a deal which sees him owning the whole club. But there are legal problems with that, and HMRC would probably challenge it. Would they win? Who knows, but as Whyte’s dirty laundry would all have to be aired I wouldn’t fancy his chances.
The most likely scenario is that he grabs what he can and then leaves, stating the complete impossibility of making a rescue personally. That would leave what remains of the club in the hands of … vultures mate, essentially. A corpse to be picked over.
Whyte has done them up like a kipper. They don’t realise it yet but he has.
THE EXILED TIM says:
16 January, 2012 at 19:20
Do these letters exist ?
What’s going on with Maloney? I’m sure he was playing in the fa cup last week having not featured all season….
Injured?!!!!
Lads any of you heard about the dextra ruling? or is this another load of rubbish made up by Rangers.
Thomthetim
Thanks mate, Was Jinky the only player to receive these type of challenges then? HH
James Forrest is Lennon says:
16 January, 2012 at 19:10
“…………. its going to be awesome to watch”
James I may have to lay aside Series 4 (of BB) then :¬)
Vinny
RRC
Not really, I think it entails accruing a greater proportion of indebitness so that the HMRC can’t block a pre-pack/ receivership route, where the only winner is CW, and the rest can sing for their dosh.
But I’m not sure on that.
So, their defence is ‘we didnt know they were no allowed yer honour’.
I am confused, how can not paying your taxes not be illegal? Are they deflecting blame to the folks that advised them?
And Daryl giving some hope to the masses stating – Cellic paid Juninho via an EBT then stopped it. Aye eh cellic done it as well dawylll?
Receivership is the Whyte route.
Wonder what RTC will have to say about Keevins digs. All they need to do is lift the phone. I cannie believe they think winding folk up gets them more info.
JF
Cheers,
If I may I will ask you the same question I asked TET, like him, you have posted a lot of info on this mees,
Have you heard the term “Hive Down”? and do you know how that works?
The post on RTC meentioned hiving down the assets to another entity owned by CW if I read it correctly, this was the bit that confused me.
I don’t mind appearing thick to you guys :) but I didnt want to ask the RTC guys.
hen1rik says:
16 January, 2012 at 20:05
I wouldn’t worry too much on the Dextra ruling as I would be surprised if they were found to have issued side letters .
IMO jist wee Darwalllllllls way of easing the Samaritans work load tonight .
lennon’s passion
I believe they do, RTC has hinted that they exist, Dawell reiterated tonight that they exist, he said previously that he has seen some of them, and I understand the basis of the big tax case is dependent on them existing.
TET
Cheers, yeah I really am not au fait with most of the whole murky process and rely on here and RTC to have even a clue what is going on behind the scenes.
I just wanna see ’em die!!
…and I hope that you Die!
and your death will come soon
I’ll follow your casket on the pale afternoon
I’ll watch while you’re lowered in to your deathdbed
Then I’ll stand over your grave till I’m sure that you’re dead!
DylanCSC
HI ALL
Does anyone know how many years the EBT’s go back and if it is until when Murray took over then many employees may be involved. Could these individuals also be liable for tax and NIC?
Hi James,
You can’t have seen jellylegs on Sat. There’s £20m right there!
Then there’s another £10m for McShagger. Over half way there.Then there’s McCulloch. At least £50. Edu – at least a tenner.
Ah! OK, I think I’m starting to see your point!
There must be a 7 a side league they could join?
Hmmmm just heard they’ve let Fleck go. I had him down for £10m as well!
You just can’t predict whats going to happen next.
THE EXILED TIM says:
16 January, 2012 at 20:04
He and his like would not know what integrity is mate.
Keep the Faith!
Hail Hail!
Lads anyone got a link to Mark’s call?
Serge says:
16 January, 2012 at 20:07
Thomthetim
Thanks mate, Was Jinky the only player to receive these type of challenges then? HH
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The only one that I saw. It was the only way to stop him.
Mullet and Co says:
16 January, 2012 at 20:09
That won’t stand up as a defence. Igorantia juris excusat neminem (or something like that) meaning ignorance of the law excuses no-one.
Starryhope
James Forrest is Lennon says:
16 January, 2012 at 20:04
He has indeed, the man with an empire that’s Head Office is a field. If he has any money when the fat lady sings he better spend it on making a wider moat at that there castle he has, because he will need it…
Keep the Faith!
Hail Hail!
And and and if Rangers didnt know they were cheating the tax man then how could they ask them to give up all those titles?
And and and we only want to see Rangers start from the bottom out of hatred.
And and and they have enough players to pay the tax man.
Straws clutching slipping out of fingers falling all over floor.
Well well well
All of a sudden wee Darwellllllls a EBT expert all of a sudden ,plenty of beans spilt tonight .
Do not lose focus on the one question tonight put to the (your sounding like a supporter )expert tonight .
Caller
with what you know what do you think will be the outcome of the tax case
Dwarrrrrryl …I think they will LOSE IT
HAIL HAIL
Can I just say to hugh if he is lurking .
I will be downloading tonight’s show and will record that wee bit from Dwarrrrryl and use it for my ring tone
C,mon the hoooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooops
RCC:
If my understanding of the “hive down” is right, it would need to be done now, not a part of a CVA or a deal with a reciever. And it would look, to all the world, like an asset strip in order to defeat a debtor and the liquidation process, and could end with Whytey in cuffs.
A hive down, essentially, is where you move assets from one company to the ownership of another, in which you have an interest. The tax authorities are no mugs, and have seen it all before. They would have his testicles in a jar before allowing it.
fergus slayed the blues says:
16 January, 2012 at 20:11
Thanks matey, i seen it on a website and thought they were getting off.
THE EXILED TIM says:
16 January, 2012 at 20:12
Cheers Daryl did say just after the news he couldn’t see Rangers getting away without some kind of bill.Hope its the high end of the bill.
Any of you bhoys study at Glasgow caledonian uni,my boy got an offer to study accounts there.Any info would be appreciated.