BBC 5Live got into a bit of bother yesterday for asking if Paris St Germain’s domestic domination is turning the French league into the SPFL. PSG (60) are 21 points ahead of second place Monaco (39) in Ligue Un and could win the title next month. Celtic, of course, are only 6 points clear in the Scottish Premiership and will not win the title until April.
The pertinent point that 5Live were a bit clumsy in making is that PSG, who will win four-in-a-row this year, and Celtic, won will win five-in-a-row, are competing in one horse races. Karl Heinz Rummenigge made a similar point about Bayern Munich earlier this month (an example 5Live could also have used). Bayern are 8 points clear and also on their way to four-in-a-row.
Then there’s Juventus, who, like Celtic, hope to win five-in-a-row this season. Juve had a horrible start to the season but 11 league wins on the bounce have seen them close to within 2 points of Napoli at the top of Serie A.
Basel are 10 clear and on their way to seven-in-a-row in Switzerland, while Red Bull’s money will collect a third consecutive Austrian title for Salzburg this year.
Ajax are not quite there, having only won four of the last five titles, but Dutch football has been shrinking in competitive terms for over 3 decades (Ajax and PSV between them have won all but 3 titles in 31 years). Anderlecht, who have won three in four in Belgium, are also a little short of complete domination.
England’s different, no one has retained the title since 2009 and it’s not going to happen this year. Spain have seen a change of winner in the last four years and, with the world’s two biggest clubs, are likely to remain competitive, while Benfica and Porto are still nip and tuck in Portugal. These three are the outliers of Western European football.
Reality is that three of the ‘big five’ European leagues, and many others, are no longer competitive. Successful clubs know how to stay ahead of their peers, there are several formulas to help them. Permanently breaking this domination has never been more difficult.
Scottish football is not an uncompetitive outlier, it’s the new norm. The same questions being asked about Celtic are also being asked about dominant teams across the Continent. What football does about it is another story. Keep your eye on Rummenigge. He’s ambitious and wants to change things.
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GREENPINATA
By definition,if they disagree with mine.
Greenpinata,
Thanks for that. Be prepared for a few “aye, what he said” posts!
Greenpinata
If it is your opinion that today is Saturday, then your opinion is wrong!
I suppose I could have gone with `same club` opinion 0:-)
JJ
I mean this is from the evening times in 2013, and this is where it all kicked off, and this is what your up against, stupidity, I mean a barracks room lawyer would rip this up like toilet paper in two minutes, and you’ll notice the word liquidation is not mentioned once?
AN ADVERT describing Rangers as the “most successful” football club in Scotland has been cleared after a string of complaints.
The ad, which ran on radio, press and e-mail as part of a season ticket promotion, attracted 78 complaints.
It said: “Join Scotland’s most successful club at Ibrox.”
The Advertising Standards Authority said 78 complainants believed the “most successful club” claim was misleading because they understood that the current club had only been formed in 2012.
Defending the ad, Newco Rangers provided an extract from a decision by an independent commission appointed by the Scottish Premier League, which said “in common speech a club is treated as a recognisable entity which is capable of being owned and operated and which continues in existence despite its transfer to another owner and operator”.
It also provided a letter from the European Club Association concerning its continuing membership after the liquidation which stated that, although run by a different legal entity, it considered RFC was still the same football club.
It had the same registration number with the Football Association, the same fans, the same stadium, the same club coefficient ranking and the same trophies, and it therefore recognised RFC as a founding member of the ECA despite the change of ownership.
The ASA said that, while Newco had not taken on all of the debts and liabilities of the former club, “we noted that both an independent commission appointed by the SPL and the ECA had reached the conclusion that the football club RFC was a recognisable entity in its own right, and that it had continued in existence despite being transferred to another owner and operator”.
The ASA added: “Consumers would understand that the claim in question related to the football club rather than to its owner and operator.
“We therefore concluded that it was not misleading for the ad to make reference to RFC’s history, which was separate to that of Newco.”
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A Rangers’ spokeswoman said: “The club was never in any doubt that this would be the outcome.
“It was a ridiculous claim and we knew the ASA would take the same view as the football authorities.”
MAD MENTAL MISUNDERSTOOD MARYHILL CELTIC FAN HITS OUT AGAINST FALSE FLAG FLARE FIASCO…By Keef Jackshun.
A 102 yr old Celtic fan who wishes to remain anonymous, has castigated the football establishment in Scotland.
‘ They killjoy fanatics huv been cheating us since i was a bhoy, and they are still at it’. Age they say is a great leveller, but in this case of what can only be called the crazed lunacy of a warped deranged centenarian, he still rages ‘ I remember it well, 1912….and there were loads of cheating going on, i sent a letter of condemnation to the SFA, voicing my concerns in the strongest terms. Three weeks letter i received a reply, it said: Dear Fenian, Feck off and Die’.
Well readers….you can see for yourself, how disturbed these Celtic fans can be.
As i waltzed away from that Nursing Home deep in thought, musing over the strange beliefs of some fans….the old bhoy wasnt finished yet.
‘ By the way he shouted, they flares at Stranraer….It was a set up.
HH
I’m sorry, I lied, it mentions liquidation once.
Canamalar
am biased mate:-),even before David Murray started ‘to bring it all on themselves’ i thought Celtic were Scotlands most successful club.As i say above you and i agree they ended.you and me are Celtic.
I voted on your survey against Canamalar.
basically What do you mean by fan ownership?
my old maths tutor would be sayin ‘define your variables’
rightly or wrongly since 1994 we have operated with certainty and stability through some severe economic times that has ended many
I am for more democracy and more activism within our shareholding for the betterment of Celtic,there are massive issues like Desmonds succession that have to be looked on so that tims have a say in our club.
hope your well :-)
HH
After our terms and conditions for new season tickets were released last year.
I have to ask myself what is it that you guys fail to get ?
There are no clandestine maneuvers that Celtic are waiting to pounce.
Are you kidding they couldn´t see Resolution 12 far enough ?
We are the Old Firm. We are part of the problem for as long as we give money to this PLC.
You are turn-style fodder to a regime that supports the Old Firm and the corruption at the SFA and within the SPFL and the SNP.
I bet most of those that feel Celtic will pull a rabbit out the bag are regular church attendees.
BusloadoffaithtogetbuyCSC
P:S can the pathetic cap in handers who “willnae dae anyhin tay damage ma Celtic” go look for a brain cell.
and before this post gets you all in a wee tizzy stomping all over your incredibly limited rigid belief system. The single share I bequeathed to my dog Pooch means he has more of a voice in how the plc should be ran than you do. That is how it works
Oh and of course you’ll not forget who set this up eh?
Defending the ad, Newco Rangers provided an extract from a decision by an independent commission appointed by the Scottish Premier League, which said “in common speech a club is treated as a recognisable entity which is capable of being owned and operated and which continues in existence despite its transfer to another owner and operator”. – See more at: http://www.celticquicknews.co.uk/spfl-not-uncompetitive-outlier-its-the-new-norm/comment-page-10/#comment-2762760
Clogher/Almore
i got this from the Irish times
http://www.irishtimes.com/culture/heritage/easter-rising-commemorations-50-events-for-2016-1.2492549
Great work you bhoys are doin overby :-)
HH
JJHS,
Some Orwelllian references; in that case I may be here for the JURAtion!
It also provided a letter from the European Club Association concerning its continuing membership after the liquidation which stated that, although run by a different legal entity, it considered RFC was still the same football club. – See more at: http://www.celticquicknews.co.uk/spfl-not-uncompetitive-outlier-its-the-new-norm/comment-page-10/#comment-2762763
They can consider all day till the cows come home, corporate law states facts that it’s Coors lite.
JJ, no idea what Auldheid has said, you’d need to ask him, but the court cases will not have started by April, and given the complexity and myriad intertwining causative strings, I doubt there will be a clean resolution to it all much before April 2020.
TBB
an o and a t to much
GodotCSC
HH
Dharma Bam on 28th January 2016 11:56 am
Traditiionalist88,
Very glad to hear that Celtic will have nothing to do with the Old Firm tag. What’s Celtic’s position on what to call this Newclub?
I believe that’s the issue people are interested in on here, just as much if not more than the Old Firm phrase.
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I think they will call them Rangers like everyone else, for that is their name for now, whether they are a new incarnation or not.
But Old Firm? Thats Aberdeen and Dundee Utd, isn’t it…
HH
An Tearmann,
Thanks for voting.
It is/was a simple question to gauge the split in percentages for fan ownership, how the fan ownership works is another question for another time.
The idea stemmed from a discussion on here about the split and how it could actually lead to a split in the support, so rather than guess I thought it might be a good idea to gauge on here using the simple poll, obviously it can’t be exact but it is indicative and will give us an idea.
I expect and warned there there will be some that want to impose their opinion as the most common opinion so will vote more than once for their view. But I expect them to be a very low minority so the result should be no too far from the blog split.
Personally I have not voted. I’m just interested in seeing how the numbers work out.
On the same club myth it affects our brand and attraction if we cannot command the respect as the most successful club in Scotland which we are however the SFA and the SPFL accredit the new club as the most successful club in Scotland, why is our Plc accepting this ?
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Canamalar
I don’ think they are accepting it. Regardless, I don’t think our brand or attraction is in danger because of goings on in Govan.
HH
Traditionalist,88,
I asked you as you seemed very certain of what the club will say and do in the future and i assumed you had specific knowledge which made you feel safe to make your previous statements with such certainty. However, you are not so sure about how Celtic will refer to the Newclub. Is it possible to get that info from the same people/places that you obtained the knowledge about Celtic’s future statements and how they will treat the phrase Old Firm?
I am disappointed that they are referred to as Rangers when they are not Rangers.
This is another reason Celtic keep there powder dry, these people are dangerous, just look what level5 are doing to the SMSM it’s pretty scary actually.
https://theclumpany.wordpress.com/2016/01/28/critical-thinking/
I always think of Aberdeen and Dundee Utd as the New Firm as those are the only 2 clubs I’ve ever heard or read as being called that.
I suppose we can all discuss this onhere until the cows come home (or until Dermot Desmond attends an AGM!) however I the TBB’s words have to be listened to and given appropriate consideration as he has firsthand experience of what happens when you go against the “same club” narrative.
CANAMALAR
Tried to vote for myself.
But it didnt accept it:(
Its a pity…Ive got some fantastic ideas about how to run Celtic.
Id ban sevco from Celtic Park, then id commission a 12 part series television called: ‘Rangers are deid’, similar in style to the World at War….Narrated by Neganon 2.
I bet that would be popular:)
Get the Green Man on the board…got to be better than Ian Bankier:)
HH
I have always thought their name was The Rangers and not Rangers, sine they are a different club.
Trad88
The fact that the SFA and SPFL credit the new club as the most successful is bad enough but as Awe_Naw implies, if they do get promotion next season how will you like paying extra for your season ticket and having the “old firm” season ticket rules resumed, kids season tickets reverting to “old firm” rules.
Its all in the pipeline, Plc speaks with fork tongue, spring to mind.
My friends in Celtic,
If Celtic sell out all their available seats at Parkhead against Sevco. Then that is want the fans want and an example of fan decision making.
HH.
Greenpinata,
There are many many football fans who would buy who have no affiliation to either club so your statement is false.
Dharma Bam on 28th January 2016 12:30 pm
Traditionalist,88,
I asked you as you seemed very certain of what the club will say and do in the future and i assumed you had specific knowledge which made you feel safe to make your previous statements with such certainty. However, you are not so sure about how Celtic will refer to the Newclub
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I thought it was clear enough… while Celtic remain under the auspices of the governing bodies in Scotland, they’ll refer to clubs as their name appears in league tables and official documentation, as is customary. Until such times as wrongdoing has been proven, this is normal practice.
There is a lot of information to come out which has the potential to change everything.
HH
HH
Canamalar
Imo there are not that many neutrals.
HH.
The meeting between SFA and SFM actually getting an airing outside of blogs. Quite an interesting article almost pleading self defense for msm but still finding a way to report which is good.
http://www.thenational.scot/sport/the-kicker-greater-freedom-but-bloggers-must-still-beware.12989?utm_medium=social&utm_source=Twitter&utm_campaign=Echobox&utm_term=Autofeed#link_time=1453984241
And of course JJ has his say on the matter.
https://johnjamessite.wordpress.com/2016/01/28/graham-spiers/
Norweigan media reporting that we’ve made a bid for Kristoffer Ajer but it been knocked back from his club. They are apparently looking for about £800k
“I have always thought their name was The Rangers and not Rangers, sine they are a different club”
Dharma,
I think officially it is
But I wouldn’t lose any sleep over it neebs.
Folks call us Celtic and it’s not the official name.
HH
greenpinata,
You’ll also have the old firm supporters, don’t have season tickets and only turn up to old firm games, we have a few on here.
If that mob are still in business and get promoted next season then we have two choices;
(a) they should be treated as a club with a larger than normal support and afforded the same allocation given to the original RFC on the grounds that they will reciprocate that allocation to us at bigot dome.
Those Celtic fans located in the area allocated to them should have their season ticket reduced accordingly or the opportunity to buy one elsewhere. The rest of us have a ST at the same price, it’s the same number of games, no increase because they are in the league – no OF status.
(b) Alternatively we treat them like the rest and only give them 1500 max, again no need to increase the ST – no OF status
traditionalist88 on 28th January 2016 12:44 pm
There is a lot of information to come out which has the potential to change everything.
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Agreed. When Res12 started it was to find out how RFC were granted and kept their UEFA licence in 2011.
That has been pretty well established but the documents that establish it cannot be made public either on blogs or by msm, some of whom in Englandshire have them.
Once the veil on those documents is lifted after the trials what is revealed imo will be too big to ignore.
HH
– See more at: http://www.celticquicknews.co.uk/spfl-not-uncompetitive-outlier-its-the-new-norm/comment-page-11/#comment-2762782
I think Aberdeen and Dundee utd have served their apprenticeship as new firm and are ready to assume the vacant title of ‘old firm’. If Dundee utd don’t beat the drop they can always pass on their half of the ‘old firm’ tag to St. Johnstone.
Which leaves 2 places up for grabs for the new ‘new firm’ title. ICT and Ross Co. might be interested, or even Hearts/Hibs (if Hibs get back up).
As for Celtic, it’s such a shame we don’t have a partner to make a ‘firm’ with. …..Sigh…………..
I think this Celtic Supporter (from Phil’s blog) may be ‘sitting on the fence’ in relation to whether he wants the tribute act to survive or not …..hahahahahahaha
“No. I want to see Vampire FC with a stake in its heart, garlic stuffed in its mouth, a cross burning on its chest, beheaded and tossed in the flowing water of the Clyde. (As another Irish theater figure knew, you can never be too careful about such matters.)”
Traditionalist88,
OK, it will be interesting to see what happens if Celtic receive a press release from the governing bodies, for publication on the Celtic website, that refers to the Old Firm!
Geordie Munro,
Do you mean CFAC? I can’t think of our proper name.
AULDHEID on 28TH JANUARY 2016 12:56 PM
I hope you’re right, AULHEID, I really do ….. to date, so much evidence has been cast aside by the establishment in this Country ………