Football leagues are all cartels, but the MLS in the US is a particularly malign version in that it is a closed system, without relegation and promotion. This lack of market competition is normal sports behaviour in the Land of the Free, but leads to a huge number of stale games from early in the season, as clubs outwith the title battle have little to play for.
Don’t be distracted by Messi’s December years in Miami. The former World’s Greatest is filling his coffers in a low tax environment (he’s famously tax averse), paid for by Amazon Prime customers across North America.
Where else would Celtic profitably sell-on Patryk Klimala, Lewis Morgan and Giorgos Giakoumakis? Patryk only managed an unproductive year before heading back to Europe. Lewis Morgan has enjoyed a successful four years, first in Miami, now New York. The one-time Celtic winger has found his level in the US.
Giorgos left us only 11 months ago. In 30 MLS appearances since (including from the bench), he scored 19 times. He is our stand-out successful export to North America and at 29, has surely also found his level.
Liel Abada is 22 years old, still learning his trade but already a respected player who has given us a clutch of memorable moments and goals. I think he can continue developing into a striker, his timing and calmness in front of goal is reminiscent of some of our greats, even if his wing play is not.
If Liel goes to the MLS it will be with some regret. He has potential well above that league. We gave him a platform to learn on and grow, but the developmental job is not complete. There will be more money on the table, but, unlike Messi, it’s February for Liel, not December.
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Chairbhoy
Why do you believe that people with an opposing view have an agenda but the critics are all clear minded straight shooters? e.g. Chairbhoy running interference for PL as he must be a pal.
Can we not just credit the people who post on here, and are known on here because they have met with others and are willing to meet fellow Celts, as having their own views?
Fine, call them out as mistaken but it’s a low tactic to dismiss their views as just being formed out of duty to a personal relationship or worse, shilling on behalf of another.
The counter argument to this would be just to dismiss all criticism as coming from people who only have Sevco’s interests at heart. That would be just as ludicrously unconvincing.
Paul 67’s views are his own
Burnley 78’s view are his own
and you are responsible for what you write and assert.
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Mea cowboy, mea cowboy, me Mexican Cowboy when it comes to 418.
His views are his own and I should be nicer.
Aye.
STfBs @ 10:05 PM,
Well, I said exactly that…
“Now, B78 knows many of those we are discussing, maybe a friend, an associate or someone he’s rubbed shoulders with…
So, if he is batting for a “side” or individual, fair play to him, he’s every right to do so.”
My post this morning…
BURNLEY78 @ 11:20 PM,
“20 years of dominance and we have become a crisis club in 60 days. Whilst not even losing a game in 2 months including beating our nearest rivals.”
Now, B78 knows many of those we are discussing, maybe a friend, an associate or someone he’s rubbed shoulders with…
So, if he is batting for a “side” or individual, fair play to him, he’s every right to do so.
Yet as a wiser man than I once said…
“facts are chiels that winna ding, and downa be disputed”
So, the Big Pedro revolution and the twenty year myth.
Firstly my point recently made on CQN – what I described as having your cake and eating it…
PL is responsible for twenty years of Domination.
PL has nothing to do with whats currently going on at Celtic
So a wee disconnect, let’s see if we can illuminate.
Of course since 2004, Peter Lawwell was our CEO (promoted from Chief Operating chap).
He was CEO for an amazing (in many aspects of the word) [sixteen] years.
So my bugbear with the twenty years of Domination…
The early years of the nineties – ‘It was the best of times, it was the worst of times, (as another wiser man than I once said) for Celtic Glasgow
So without going over it all again, let’s just say if you know your history (as a…) we seen a turbulent decade.
The new millennium see’s the toils of Fergus and the gang bearing fruit and a new era emerges with the appointmentof MO’N as manager…
2000/01 Celtic
2001/02 Celtic
2002/03 Rangers
2003/04 Celtic
PL becomes CEO
2004/05 Rangers
2005/06 Celtic
2006/07 Celtic
2007/08 Celtic
2008/09 Rangers
2009/10 Rangers
2010/11 Rangers
2011/12 Celtic
Rangers died
2012/13 Celtic
2013/14 Celtic
2014/15 Celtic
2015/16 Celtic
2016/17 Celtic
2017/18 Celtic
2018/19 Celtic
2019/20 Celtic
2020/21 R2ngers
Dominic McKay becomes CEO
2021/22 Celtic
2022/23 Celtic
2023/24 TBD
Now, for me those are fair breakdowns of the Scottish League Champions this century.
You will notice that the main reason for Celtic dominating the League wins table is that Rangers died in 2012.
In the PL era…
Before Rangers die, the spoils are shared, before the PL era we win 3 out of 4.
After the PL era we’ve won 2 out of 3 with the 3rd yet to be determined.
So my point is, it was the bravery, the ingenuity, the hard work and the cash up front in the ninties, (when will we see, their likes again, (as a…)) where great Celts planted the seeds of our 21st Century Domination.
No one person can lay claim to this (although there is obviously one main nineties leader and [one] who is still (kinda) here, that has been around since the nineties).
We’ve had the better of it, no doubts, with the title going went back and forth, between Parkhead and Ibrox, with only the demise of Rangers having a significant impact.
Peter Lawwell was a strong CEO, he had a super power as a financial controller.
How well all that worked out for Celtic in the short, medium and long terms will be vehemently discussed.
That “dialogue” will really kick off big time NOW.
Yet can we park the twenty years nonsense please.
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My point is clear, yet BURNLEY78 comes back and calls me an “entitled fantasist” (better than thick as pig sh!£) and changes the whole thrust of the argument in a disingenuous fashion.
That’s after calling for “facts”, last evening
Let’s have a dialogue on Peter Lawwell
His sixteen years as CEO
His one year as Chairman
Fine
But if we aren’t being open and transparent what are we actually debating.
Do you know why we have so much cash in the bank?
Hail Hail
TT- Why would I lie? Others are,enjoy the silence
https://thecelticstar.com/whats-the-big-deal-about-knutson/
Clickbait pure and simple.
Publicly undermining our manager to make money … at a time when we need to be united (regardless of who we think shoulders how much blame).
And not a member of the SMSM.
IMHO, shameful.
THE STAR ABOVE THE CRESS on 20TH FEBRUARY 2024 7:05 PM
An Tearmann
Aye I’d imagine he developed an affinity for Celtic in the 90s with the Kelly’s and Whites. They felt they were Celtic men too. They weren’t known for paying for their own tickets.
No.now your teetering on mental distortion.
You have been told now 3 or 4 times Peter Lawell as a youngster primary school age was a boyhood Celtic fan,just like you or i
Do you accept that?
Way before kellys and whites
Way before Fergus
Way before 2003
Way before today,nearly 60 years ago
He was a Celtic fan
HH
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Chairbhoy
I don’t get it.
He has every right to act on behalf of someone he knows???
That’s continuing the line that I was calling out.
Your opponents are arguing this way because they are friends with the people you are criticising?? Not because they disagree with the “facts” you presented.
The only response that brings is……
Who are you batting on behalf of?
Who are the people who agree with you batting on behalf of?
An Tearman
AT thats sad P you feel like that,R12 is gone to me for a long time(longrass) but as you point out there are facets and openers there to make activity in our club more democratic and transparent ,i have met Jeannette and Eddie and they are sound Celtic supporters who always have time for others.Hamtim ex of these pages is a Celtic man that is my own experience of who i know,i dont get this meanness of spirit you talk of,
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I’ve met JF often and we got along fine, she even asked me to cover for her at The Road Show in the Kerrydale St on Twitter that she Chaired.
Somewhere down the line that changed and I have never been told why and have been misrepresented on a few occasions , badly by Chris in one instance, so my experience of Low who hates me I’m told , and Eddie who both had a go at me on Twitter and Chris is different from yours. JF ‘s avoidance of challenging PL iro his 5WA response surprised me given the antipathy I thought she felt towards him.
It is a pity but I try to ignore that to put forward suggestions that might be worth considering.
DD is not above the law and the very action of challenging his running of Celtic will only get the kind of publicity DD will not welcome (even if he is acting as required by Company Law ) and would require him to set out his defence, where his position with regard to keeping Rangers competitive would be there for all to see and wonder just how far he would go.
Unless DD got on the phone to Michael Nicholson to find a way overnight to stop a vote on Res12 after PL was told that the CF material he already had, would surface on social media calling Celtic’s decision to vote against Res12 on the grounds of SFA assurances, then the long grass idea did not come from him.
Indeed after Res12 was kept on the agenda in 22013 I was told in 2014 that PL’s response to DD when he asked what it was about, was met with the reply from PL not to worry, once Rangers returned it would be forgotten.
I stand by my view that it was PL’s decision to “long grass” the issue and that opened the door to pursue answers until 2021 when Celtic undertook in a response to a shareholders Res numbered 11 to engage with SFA/UEFA on the failure of the SFA and UEFA to pursue the matter in May 2020 and the strengthened FSR Article on overdue tax was the result in June 2022. Celtic made a point about being involved in the development of FSR and when it came to that particular Article the Res12 Lawyer had provided UEFA with all the evidence that the relevant overdue tax article needed strengthened to prevent a repeat.
The long grass narrative ignores what it enabled to happen.
An Tearman
I’m going to assume by your spirited defence of the man that there’s some personal relationship ship there. I’m afraid we’re just going to disagree on this and I’ve no wish to get into a spat over oor Peter.
HH
SFtBs @ 11:01 PM,
Well the that’s the point that BURNLEY78 makes…
T’uther day Mark Lawwell’s credentials were being questioned.
Nothing to do with me, may I add
Anyway BURNLEY78 stuck up for Mark and suggested that if he left Celtic he’d be offered a much better position.
Now, I’m not suggesting he’s disingenuous in that regard am I, quite the opposite, he’s got every right to make the point.
Others have every right to disagree…
My point was the 20 years of dominance
He changes that to 24 years and suggested I was a “fantasist”.
That’s disingenuous in my book
However, my whole point was that it was the MO’N era that kicked off our huge improvement in results.
Now we have it on record that BURNLEY78 agrees with me;)
Hail Hail
My uncle Peter asked me to login and get a report back on his desk for the 10am conf call tomorrow
Auldheid 10.02
With respect AH you did kinda say they were not of use to non shareholder,the fans in Amsterdam/oba/sensoryrooms/disabled benefitted of the support CT gave.
The intervention you talk of i dont know of as i am not a member,but as dscussed if it took the trust outside their remit(buyshares- not take on 7/8 y.o resolutions 7/8 year after theremaybe should have been unity2012)
Questions on 5wa should have been brought into line at that time 2012 and defined publically history,enquiry embargos(lns)
Should have buts danger would be agm eould be aski more bout new&old huns,not Celtic.Dermot wanted business continuity-‘great club/traditions
Refusal of 20k-i think trust were correct too,for their own reasons(may have been different if involved from start) Dermot has deeper pockets than all donating put together
With respect again AH you are coming across as bèe in bonnet over trust(and imo over a s/h issue already longgrassed) look to our majority s/h not PL-(DDs hand)not the trusts
Speaking for s/h thats generally the rule at all agms is it not,most non s/h are under a.o.b if allowed
Well capacity build away AH,canvas and get solid shareholders backing,but am sure when you take on the myriad of non s/h issues it will be a full time job
I feel the CT do their best for minority s/h and for minority blocks of Celtic fans
R12 is gone,(and lost forever) you will not get one plc commenting on another esp here when they are both massive to the scottish market.some 10 /11 years later in plc terms it is ancient history.it wont be back.
Wish you well regardless
HH
Star above
Only a spirited defence of my childhood and my experience of playin football at school and as a wean wi him.As i have said ctiticise away but he is a Celtic fan
Nae biggi
:-))
HH
Chairbhoy
I can’t make it any clearer-
Everyone’s opinions are their own and they’re responsible for them.
Because he knows people inside CP because of previous dealings does not mean that he is duty bound to agree with them on how they run Celtic. Some of them he may not know that well. But if he agrees with them it is because he thinks that was the right way to go not because he was beholden to them. Do him the favour of taking on his arguments as his own.
Otherwise when you diminish our titles won when Sevco were in the lower leagues then you are promoting the same view that Sevco fans peddle. It would be easy to conclude that your views were dictated by an association with Sevco.
Nonsense- isn’t it. Your views are your own and weren’t given to you wholesale by any Sevco fan or any fellow critical fan. They are yours and yours alone. Even if others have similar or near identical critical views , those belong to them alone too. Nobody passed a motion and forced you all to agree with each other.
Now, trolls are a different matter. People with multi-identities and log in names, seeking to sow dissension or visiting huns on match day with names that are seen once and disappear. Those are different categories of posters but they too are responsible for what they are.
Everyone should have their views taken as their own, otherwise we’d just be as well copying and pasting someone else’s comments and saying Ditto.
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What he said …😁
SFtBs @ 11:54 PM,
Maybe I’m missing the point, I’ve given examples of mine, so maybe you could give me an example of what you mean, to elucidate your point!?
If someone makes a “claim” about someone or something to do with Celtic (or other subjects for that matter).
It’s BURNLEY78 that states he knows folk, then gives his opinion, which is sometimes in support of that person or maybe it’s a strategy.
There is no issue here as far as I’m concerned.
What is your concern?
Hail Hail
It can’t be simplified any more.
Honest posters are entitled to have their views taken as face value and not dismissed or diminished as saying he’s saying that cos he’s pals with someone.
Madmitch used to come on here and try and guess what everyone’s profession was because he felt the opinions of teachers or Social Workers were worth less than someone with his background, whatever that was. It was an attempt to not have to deal with the argument and just dismiss the person making the argument on the grounds that “They would say that, wouldn’t they?”
Otherwise the same child-level thinking gets turned back on you when you try to make a point- with a “Who’s making you say that?” retort or “You’re only saying that cos your pals say the same thing.”
Aff to ma kip now
AULDHEID 11.01
AH-I’ve met JF often and we got along fine, she even asked me to cover for her at The Road Show in the Kerrydale St on Twitter that she Chaired.
AT the odd hi at games,AnGorta Mor dinner,and day lecture of centenary of 1923 church of Scotland menace of irish race pamphlet,no trust chatted of
AH-Somewhere down the line that changed and I have never been told why and have been misrepresented on a few occasions , badly by Chris in one instance, so my experience of Low who hates me I’m told , and Eddie who both had a go at me on Twitter and Chris is different from yours. JF ‘s avoidance of challenging PL iro his 5WA response surprised me given the antipathy I thought she felt towards him.
AT as i say i have interacted with all of above,i will have to stay out of whatever interaction with you all,i thank Chris for giving me time and support during a summer health blip:-) i cant imagine him misrepresenting anyone,
David Low,i would guess his would be similar to mine-r12 is deid exc i dont think he would be as patient as me,he knows his stuff
AH- It is a pity but I try to ignore that to put forward suggestions that might be worth considering.
AT – maybe take it as a learning,try a different route to attain your goal,but the goal of r12 has ended
AH DD is not above the law and the very action of challenging his running of Celtic will only get the kind of publicity DD will not welcome (even if he is acting as required by Company Law ) and would require him to set out his defence, where his position with regard to keeping Rangers competitive would be there for all to see and wonder just how far he would go.
AT no 1 is above the law AH
You are fantisizing AH if you think DD will in any way shape or form acknowledge/defend or even comment in theory on anything to do with rfc/trfc.the reality may be different,and be prepared to have deep deep pockets as our majority s/h(44% out of 78% active shares,the other 22% default to board-DD) will see most of your moves comig
AH-Unless DD got on the phone to Michael Nicholson to find a way overnight to stop a vote on Res12 after PL was told that the CF material he already had, would surface on social media calling Celtic’s decision to vote against Res12 on the grounds of SFA assurances, then the long grass idea did not come from him.
AT- DD would not want a Celtic resolution on anything to do with the hun,killed it at 1st chance bootin it into long grass,
He wouldnt want Celtic resolution in any way and no matter how intelligently written to take up any part of Celtic business,its about anothe clubs business and would have been perceived so
The prob with Charlotte fakes are its source,its credibility and its integrity
In legal terms ill defined as to how they are material at that point in time(1st res12 agm)
AH-Indeed after Res12 was kept on the agenda in 22013 I was told in 2014 that PL’s response to DD when he asked what it was about, was met with the reply from PL not to worry, once Rangers returned it would be forgotten.
AT i would question DD would be asking anything of PL other than are you following what i want as far as r12 goes,i doubt v mucb if it was the other way PL to DD,PL is the hired hand doin the bosses business.
AH-I stand by my view that it was PL’s decision to “long grass” the issue and that opened the door to pursue answers until 2021 when Celtic undertook in a response to a shareholders Res numbered 11 to engage with SFA/UEFA on the failure of the SFA and UEFA to pursue the matter in May 2020 and the strengthened FSR Article on overdue tax was the result in June 2022. Celtic made a point about being involved in the development of FSR and when it came to that particular Article the Res12 Lawyer had provided UEFA with all the evidence that the relevant overdue tax article needed strengthened to prevent a repeat.
AT-i disagree it was DD decision PL diz wit hes telt(re 44%out of 78%)
Yup Celtic used all the facets and learning of r12 sustained over time in the long grass,DD did not want to pursue uefa even tho invited by Treveso preferring more transparency and law tightening of FSR after FFP ran out.n
We wont define ourselves,even tho awaiting tap in,by what the 2klubs have done,what happened to them was conceived,rolled out as policy until 14/6/12/ 31/10/12 but by that time rosemarys baby was in Scotlands 4th tier as a new club,
AH The long grass narrative ignores what it enabled to happen.
AT The grass is mowed,r12 is history and there are lots still to be learned and improved on,but we have been doin that since we left the hall at St Marys.
HH
Aye. Login again
AT .
In the spirit of eejit Ness
Did you go to primary school with Peter ?
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No teln yi your trouble and will report back ha
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AT
David Low,i would guess his would be similar to mine-r12 is deid exc i dont think he would be as patient as me,he knows his stuff.
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Particularly as David was co Director in a Company with the Rangers official in the room in March 2011 when Rangers accepted on 21st March they had a payable before 31st March, which became overdue on 1st April meaning no UEFA licence – not a potential liability as they declared in their accounts subject to ongoing talks that enabled the SFA to grant the licence.
He knows his stuff ok. Ironically it was he that asked if there was legal advice to support a resolution, that would have benefitted from it had the funds for such advice been available. He had a point, but in the absence of funding what shareholders sent to Celtic brought them to negotiate a statement of engagement with SFA/UEFA.
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AT – maybe take it as a learning,try a different route to attain your goal,but the goal of r12 has ended.
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Do you know what the goal of Res12 actually was? SFA reform and that is still being pursued on a wider front via the SFSA with the SG getting involved.
Res12 was just to give Celtic the leverage to change the SFA but it was conceived in the naïve days before it became obvious Celtic were part of what needs reform.
Chris misrepresented a request for CST support from small shareholders willing to fund legal costs saying it they wanted the CST to back it not just in principal, but also with finances. It was agreed overwhelmingly (at a CST meeting) that this would be a futile and pointless exercise.
This was a total misrepresentation of what small shareholders were seeking. It was a request for the CST to to help find out what the responsibilities of Directors were to small shareholders based on the so called “long grass ” treatment of shareholders in the pursuit of Res12 . He was put straight on that misrepresentation.
All the CST had to do was in effect front the (Res12 ) shareholder group if they saw merit in using Celtic’s treatment of shareholders during Res12 including lying to them at the 2019 AGM, as a means if identifying if shareholders rights and Director’s responsibilities had been met during the Res12 years.
Get it, not to take DD to court which is a misrepresentation on your part, but to establish if Celtic small shareholders , whom the CST ignored had been treated correctly under Company Law. If that legal advice was Directors had acted in a fair manner the matter would rests although it would mean it is OK to lie to small shareholders at AGMs or if Directors did not comply with Company Law, then then anyone who does not comply can be asked by those shareholders to resign for breaches of that law.
I wonder how many of the Celtic support at large would be prepared to fund such advice. £20k was spurned by CST on a false premise.
I thought Chris himself had been played by Low (who had personal reasons for Res12 to fall) and I bear Chris no ill will although he had to be corrected by another requisitioner about accusations levelled at me on a private forum a few months ago.
I think he got me wrong from the outset and I would love to know what caused it.
On lesson learning how long will it be before the CST learn any lessons and try a different approach and gather enough proxies to force an EGM that the all powerful DD can vote against anyway? Or is that day so far ahead it will never happen in our lifetime?
Sure there is a risk in going legal for advice on Celtic Directors responsibilities under Company Law, but as long as that is made clear from outset at the very least small shareholders will have a better idea of their rights under the law.
Its not about taking on DD in court as you are representing it, it is about knowing what rights shareholders have if being lied to at an AGM or misled by statements of compliance with the ACIM QUAC code.
The request put to the CST on behalf of Celtic small shareholders was a perfectly legitimate one in my opinion but I’m open to being convinced otherwise just as I’m open to being persuaded the CST will achieve Board accountability from the proxy route alone or are prepared to recognise the limitations that places in representing the support as a whole in sufficient numbers to make the all powerful Board pay attention.
The long grass argument is one that essentially discredits Res12, resists recognising it got answers (even if they were dishonest) but worse for the CST, it discredits the small shareholders who supported Res12 and were misled by The Board and who wanted the CST’s help to find out what rights they had and Directors responsibilities to them under Company Law.
At least seeking legal advice on such matters based on evidence, would let Celtic know that what is in the Company’s interests, is just as applicable to the small shareholders to a degree as it is to the major ones which would encourage answers to shareholders at AGM’s to be honest and accurate.
Good Morning Celts Grand Day To Be A Tim…
SFtBs @ 12:53 PM,
OK, as no example of what you seem to be suggesting I was doing if forth coming, I’m going to assume I wasn’t actually doing what you were accusing me off.
I try to respond to poster’s who reply to my comments, try to be clear on my points and try to give examples and facts to support what I’m saying.
Of course it doesn’t mean I always succeed in that endeavour but on this occasion, I’m thinking I was, and the smoke’n mirrors brigada are at it again, as they are losing the debate.
Good to chat…
Have a great day all…
Aff oot
Hail Hail
A very different nightshift debate. Quality and indepth posting although the following phrase springs to mind
” I am responsible for what i say, I am not responsible for what you understand ”
Many interpretations of the same theme. We do not always see things universally.
For example, is acoustic relating to hearing, or is it
A big mad bit of wood to control cattle 😆
Good morning to all in our timezone.
HH.
Good morning all from a very mild 8 degrees Garngad.
Burnley78 is a sanctimonious, ignorant snob.
That’s how he fits in well with the Liewwells.
Looks down on anyone who differs in veiw from him.
Infact he might even be madmitch.
D. :)
I knew it I f@ cking knew it.
Our players don’t wear predator boots. No-wonder we cannot score.
Our favoured boot of choice is Nike. A brand that have to make savings due to their own stupidity. I’m sure they have cut back on the crucial shooting part of the boot.
All guilty :- Kyogo, Maeda, Kuhn, Idah, Oh, Palma, O’Riley. Calmac. Even James Mccarthy.
No wonder we canny hit a barn door.
At the opposite end, Joe Hart is making brilliant saves, but I now know how his kicking can be improved at the blink of his eye.
The new article will be up at noon.
Mikey Johnston plays well and scores AGAIN for West Brom last night.
He’s obviously trying hard to show he’s a good player, and it appears to be paying off.
Got to wonder if he was just treading water up here
GREENPINATA on 21ST FEBRUARY 2024 6:18 AM
I liked this:
” I am responsible for what I say, I am not responsible for what you understand ”
….and I found this funny:
“For example, is acoustic relating to hearing, or is it
A big mad bit of wood to control cattle 😆:”
Makes a pleasant change from some of the nastier stuff appearing more frequently.
I suppose a few victories will help change the mood :-))
31003 on 21ST FEBRUARY 2024 9:33 AM
Maybe he found it more difficult playing in front of an increasingly desperate Celtic Support than he does with The Baggies .
Hot Smoked,
I thought the nightshift debate very heavy, although it must be stated very relevant and conducted in a generally cordial manner.
But it was an intense read back and I thought a bit of levity could do no harm..
However, there is certainly no laughing matter about our lack of Predator boots. I think that explanation has as much merit as some explanations we have read.
Cheers and HH.
HH.
It probably has more merit than many `explanations` we read :-)))
Cheerio for now.
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