Defensive lapse, profligacy and a penalty

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Celtic’s run of 27 games unbeaten in domestic football came to an end yesterday as Kilmarnock surprised even their own fans, who bought fewer tickets for the final than they did for the semi-final, perhaps anticipating a reversal.

The bedrock of that magnificent run has been incredibly strong defensive performances; even when Aberdeen scored to take a point earlier this month, their goal benefited from an enormous deflection and the interaction of two debutant defenders.

Kilmarnock’s goal yesterday benefited from no such fortune.  Ki didn’t match the forward run of Lee Johnson and Kelvin Wilson didn’t attack the cross.  It was, however, a good goal, exploiting the expansive Hampden pitch with some fine passing and excellent movement.

Cammy Bell deservedly won Man of the Match but none of his many saves were spectacular.  It could be argued that the stop from Gary Hooper five minutes in turned the match but it was a gift to Bell’s highlights DVD.

Celtic looked like a team who have run out of steam.  Profligacy in front of goal and a momentary lapse in defence was all Kilmarnock needed to secure the cup.

I didn’t get a good view of the Anthony Stokes penalty incident at the game, it was Hampden after all, but on the radio going home I heard the evidence clearly confirmed it was not a penalty, which Neil Lennon would realise after he calmed down a bit, despite his initial reaction on seeing a replay.

Television evidence could not be clearer.  Michael Nelson went to ground to tackle Stokes and didn’t come within 2 feet of the ball but clipped the Celtic player’s ankle while he was in the process of controlling a fast moving ball.

There was no dispute that Stokes ankle was clipped.  No claims were made that Nelson played the ball, or even got close to playing the ball.  The incident was an indisputable foul.

When you are running at speed the contact required to force you to lose to lose control of the ball is slight, more than enough contact was made on Stokes to hugely reduce his chances of scoring.  Nelson made a rash and ill-timed challenge which should have resulted in an injury-time penalty.

Our sincerest condolences to the Liam Kelly, his family, Kenny Shiels and the Kilmarnock players on the death of Liam’s father Jack in the minutes after full time.

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  1. Jackson on Talksport reassuring the UK audience that all will be well; it is in HMRC’s interests to do a deal and he again, stupifyingly, tells us that the BTC result is not material in getting them out of admin. They will simply settle for less.

     

     

    Hunbelieveable and I think UK taxpayers will go will with be absolutely furious if a deal is done.

     

     

    Only in the final sentence did he suggest they were still fighting for their lives.

  2. Awe_Naw_No_Annoni_Oan_Anaw_Noo on

    Auldheid

     

     

    I like that story …. I hope all my posts concerning the huns are EXCATLY like that :-)

     

     

    Hail Hail

  3. Dont understand how a CVA can apply to a tax liability. Dont believe HMRC can write off principal tax but penalties etc are discretionary. Same applies to Council tax

     

     

    Doesnt it also mean that if they do get a CVA it is unfair trading as every one else pays their dues. If Rankers get a discount, why can’t I?

  4. johann murdoch on

    greenjedi on 20 March, 2012 at 10:22 said:

     

    DJBEE on 20 March, 2012 at 10:08 said:

     

     

    I held the same thoughts myself re their game style for sunday but then I thought of the players about to depart poundland for pastures new and new contracts elsewhere and maybe the thought of incurring injury so close to the season end might not be as palatable to them as WFPLG might want them to be..especially the so called high earners…elbows however is a different story altogether,he will want a scalp on sunday to retain his “hero” status,he will take someone out ..no doubt about it.

     

    HH

     

    HH

  5. Brogan Rogan Trevino and Hogan supports Kano 1000 on

    Good Morning,

     

     

    I wonder how many of you recall the late Johnny Cochrane. He was the diminutive, bespectacled, moustachioed, defence attorney who lead the defence of O.J. Simpson in what was described as America’s trial of the century.

     

     

    Towards the conclusion of that trial, Cochrane gave a memorable speech to the jury in which he said that there had been a rush to judgement on the part of the police in relation to Simpson and that upon a colder less rushed examination of the facts, Simpson could not be deemed guilty of the crime he was charged with. I didn’t like Simpson….. but I was fair impressed with Cochrane.

     

     

    Yesterday, Tom English used the same ” Rush to judgement” phrase in a tweet, saying that we should all wait for the FTT decision to come in before condemning Rangers’ EBT scheme and the clubs Directors including Sir David Murray. He ( English ) said that the rush to judgement before the tax case verdict was unseemly, and in my eyes seemed to imply that those who were already of the view that the tax case would go against Rangers could not be trusted in their judgement as their thinking and, perhaps motives, were flawed. Unseemly… and a Rush to Judgement.

     

     

    I would agree with Tom English that a rush to judgement has to be avoided at all costs, and that any ill informed and indeed prejudiced decision making process is unseemly. In fact, unseemly is a very tame word. Scandalous is far more appropriate.

     

     

    Last night, I listened to most of the Radio 5 Live debate on the current Rangers situation and I have to say “Chapeux” to some of the Rangers fans who were far more objective and sharp than many of the invited panel.

     

     

    That panel, in many respects, did more to justify the existence of the RTC blog and others in the space of two hours, than all the millions of words that have been written on these pages and on RTC over many many months. Roddy Forsyth in particular was breath taking in his failure to grasp some fundamental basics.

     

     

    He stated , for example, that HMRC brought the big Tax case! No they did not- the FTT was instigated and commenced purely by Rangers following a perfectly normal tax investigation that followed procedure. The FTT is Rangers appeal against the HMRC findings. It was not commenced by HMRC.

     

     

    He also stated that nobody was sure of the duties of certain former Directors of Rangers PLC. ith respect to Mr Forsyth, the Duties of a Director are the same all over the country and are enshrined in law. If you are saying ” was it his duty to buy the cakes or make the tea?” then who knows, but the duties of any Director in relation to the financials of a Ltd company and the running of a business are very clear. I am sorry but I find Mr Forsyth les and less objective in his assessments and more and more unreliable in his writings on this matter.

     

     

    However, there were other contributions that were very interesting indeed.

     

     

    Former first minister Henry McLeish stating clearly that upon completing his review of Scottish Football he reached the conclusion that the SFA was a “disfunctional” organisation. No one contradicted him. Regrettably no one asked him to expand upon what he meant.

     

     

    A clue came from Gordon Smith, ex chief executive of said SFA, when he revealed that in all of his time in charge of the organisation, no one sought to carry out any fit and proper test ” Because the issue never arose”.

     

     

    That is a breathtaking statement. The issue did arise, it arises each and every June when all clubs have to submit an annual return to the SFA to effectively renew their Licence. That return has to state who is in charge of the club and which personnel will be responsible for fiscal compliance, proper record keeping and compliance with the SFA and UEFA rules. The Fit and proper person test applies when someone takes over the running of a club, such as when Hearts are bought by a Russian banker, or when control of Dundee United is handed on from a father to his son. There was a duty to each and every club to ensure that those who enter the controlling halls of football by means of their ownership of a club are in fact fit and proper– and last night Gordon Smith completely accepted that the SFA just didn’t bother carrying out any tests or any checks. It took the arrival of a complete and easily exposed corporate chancer, and the exposure of the same chancer and liar by this blog and others, ( with the likes of Tom English trailing in the wake ), to get the SFA to move at all on the question of “fit and proper”. Even then that took weeks and weeks…. certainly not a rush to judgement.

     

     

     

    If the SFA did absolutely no checks whatsoever on the fit and proper person issue year after year, then one must ask the question about whether or not they carried out any checks surrounding contract and fiscal compliance? They are meant to. All contracts and relevent paperwork re players registration and renumeration are meant to be not only submitted to the SFA and SPL but must be made available for “Audit”. So who carried out the Audits and what proceedures were followed or recommendations made? Given the colossal losses that have mounted at Rangers over the years did the governing bodies express any concern or raise any issues after such Audits? Rangers fans may well want to know, because if the proper checks have not been carried out, then the SFA or whoever have let them down badly as such proper checks may well have saved the club from the financial train wreck it is now embroiled in.

     

     

    There is a strong body of evidence which suggests that the decision making powers that be in Scottish Football were, and indeed still are, to be found woefully wanting in ensuring fairplay and integrity in many aspects of the game. Perhaps there has developed, over decades, an institutionalised arrogance and lack of professionalism which can, and indeed has been, seen by Celtic and their fans at least, as tending towards bias!

     

     

    There is no need to go into the details of Farrygate as they are well known but going on from there. When Steven Craven asked Dougie McDonald ” What will we tell?” The match observer at Tannadice— why was the referee not astonished at the very question? Why did he not even think of reprimanding the junior official on the spot? Instead he came up with the famous “White Lie”- showing that sporting integrity and accountability play second fiddle to preserving one’s own skin.

     

     

    Why did the other linesman, Charlie Smith, not say a word about all of this as he was present throughout? Why were no further questions asked about how and when this Dougie Dougie myth was repeated to Neil Lennon when Dougie was in the bath some 45 minutes after the games end? You see Neil Lennon is not allowed to ask for calrification of any incident on his own, he must go through the SPL match observer, So- was the SPL match observer present when the white lie was repeated to Lennon.. and if so what do we make of sporting integrity in that instance and the trustworthiness of officials to SPL representatives or match observers?.

     

     

    What also of the tale from the late Paul McBride about last years League Cup semi final at Hampden. An independent enquiry had just confirmed that George Peat ( Then SFA President ) has just been found to have exerted, or could have been seen to have exerted, undue influence in a disciplinary hearing at which he should not have been present. Before the game at Hampden Celtic and Aberdeen officals and their gusests mingled together in the hospitality suite. The door opened and all were asked to be upstanding for the president of the SFA… one George Peat. According to the late Mr McBride, Peat then went around the room shaking hands and greeting the Aberdeen officials and their guests but deliberately and calculatedly ignored and avoided every single member of the Celtic delegation.

     

     

    Forget for the moment that Peat chose to act in this fashion and just think on the fact that he did so in the surety of complete impunity and that not a single SFA official apparently attempted to take him to task on such behaviour or raised any complaint about the Presidents behaviour.

     

     

    There are other examples- too numerous to mention — where the actions of the SFA are just mistifying and beyond explanation. This includes in disciplinary matters which at least get some press coverage. I was recently told of a case where a manager was sent to the stand by a referee who on appeal openly admitted that he would not have sent any other manager to the stand for the same offence– just THAT manager! Apparently the SFA are still happy for this guy to be a top official?????

     

     

    However, in the dark and murky press free corridors of fiscal compliance, the same attitudes as those expressed above can exert undue influence away from the eyes of scrutiny and accountability. They can choose to act, or to turn a blind eye, or to just simply ignore their responsibilities and compliance of their own rules— just as Gordon Smith admitted to last night.

     

     

    “Let’s not rush to judgement” says Tom English– and I agree. Although I think the detail of the FTT will be devastating for Rangers and possibly more devastating for the SFA as it will highlight numerous failures on their part where they have either been “Duped” on various contracts or where they have been absolutely negligent in ensuring compliance with their own rules.

     

     

    That is no rush to judgement on my part. It is a conclusion supported by many accepted past failings on the part of the powers that be. Johhny Cochrane also used another phrase repeatedly in the OJ trial. ” If the glove don’t fit….. you must acquit!”. In this instance, one must ask if after last night there is any real belief in whether or not the SFA is fit for purpose? Is the governance of Scottish Football, in so far as compliance and sporting integrity is concerned, really safe in their hands? With Campbell Ogilvie so close to all of this EBT scandal and his fingerprints all over the board meetings and compliance duties at Ibrox at the relevent time, is it any wonder that some of us are scathing in our faith in those at Hampden?

     

     

    Where you don’t believe that fairness exists then you lose all faith in the system. For years some have described such lack of faith as paranoia. Yet the SFA repeatedly prove that their own officials are not fit to Govern, they are not themselves fit and proper and they take very little care to ensure compliance of their own rules and regulations– as Gordon Smith so readily admitted last night.

     

     

    As Mark Daly pointed out to Gordon Smith last night, there is a duty to question any strange practice and a set of circumstances which cannot simply be ignored. Gordon’s reply is on record– I didn’t know anything- or words to that effect. I’m sorry but that answer is just not good enough.

     

     

    In my opinion, it is likely that the FTT judgement will come back and say that in some respects at least the payments to players were contractual, that there were sideletters that were contractual in effect, that Rangers had been warned re the operation of the EBT scheme and ignored that warning, that the scheme was widespread and operated over a long period of time and that £x Millions of pounds will be owed to the Exchequer in unpaid and evaded tax.

     

     

    At that point, questions will have to be asked just how that could have occurred under the eyes of the SFA and its compliance rules and how this happened on their watch? If there were Rangers Directors who held office within the SFA at the time and who knowingly did not disclose such payments in breach of the rules then you are looking at nothing short of a body that is corrupt– either actively or passively. Equally, there are those former employees of Rangers who have sworn blind that they were not paid through the EBT and that they had only one contract. These same people may have to rely on the argument that the side letters were not contracts but were unenforceable arrangements that they just happened to benefit from if it later turns out that they have been… well… economical with the truth. It seems last night that it was being suggested that only the foreign players were paid this way. Strange, as I know of at least one Scot who was in the employ of Rangers who was paid through the EBT… and I don’t mean Campbell Ogilvie, or Martin Bain, or any other Director for that matter.

     

     

    Between the media spin on Craig Whyte’s off the radar wealth, Murray’s being Duped, people with one or more contracts, alleged deals with HMRC, the existence and/or use of Ticketus money and so many other things, it is tempting to shout ” Lies, Damned Lies and more lies” at all involved here.

     

     

    People will not like being called liars, just as the SFA will not like being called corrupt or dysfunctional, but the flip side to the main plank of Johhny Cochrane’s defence of OJ applies.

     

     

    If the Glove fits………………………………….

  6. BOBBY MURDOCH'S CURLED-UP WINKLEPICKERS on

    AULD HEID 1027

     

     

    A wilful fraud committed by one public company against another should be the subject of investigation by the likes of FSA,City of London Police and whatever they call the Fraud Squad nowadays.

     

     

    Look what we got…….

  7. Awe_Naw_No_Annoni_Oan_Anaw_Noo on

    Ledley now focused on Ibrox clash

     

    By: Laura Brannan on 20 Mar, 2012 09:23

     

    FOR the second year in a row, Joe Ledley experienced disappointment in the League Cup final. Last season, despite scoring at Hampden, he saw his side lose out after extra-time.

     

     

    On Sunday, the defeat came in the regulation 90 minutes, as Celtic lost 1-0 to Kilmarnock, but the sense of dejection remained the same.

     

     

    However, Ledley and his team-mates are still chasing silverware on two fronts, and an important league game looms on the horizon, with a trip to Ibrox this Sunday. That is the focus now within the Celtic camp.

     

     

    And the Welshman is desperate to bounce back with a victory over Rangers at the weekend.

     

     

    “Kilmarnock scored right at the end, the same way Rangers did last year, and even though we pushed forward looking for that equaliser it didn’t happen,” Ledley told this week´s Celtic View.

     

     

    “We should have had a penalty in the last minute but these things happen. We need to put this behind us now and concentrate on the league. We want to continue our form in that competition and see what happens from there.

     

     

    “We´re looking forward to the Rangers game and we´re concentrating on wrapping up the league now. We need to think about this and focus our disappointment on that match so we can exorcise the Kilmarnock game.

     

     

    “We have a couple of players carrying knocks so hopefully they will make it through and will be available for us on Sunday. We need our best players and they will want to bounce back from this result just as much as the rest of us.

     

     

    “It´s a massive game coming up this weekend. We wanted to make history and win all three but we can´t change that. The team has been magnificent this season and we can´t let this one game change that.”

     

     

    Read the full and exclusive interview with Joe Ledley ONLY in this week´s Celtic View. On sale from Wednesday, March 21.

  8. Bobby Evans Superstar on

    Awe_Naw_No_Annoni_Oan_Anaw_Noo on 20 March, 2012 at 10:31

     

    Followed your link. Only one conclusion.

     

     

    For any TFOD lurkers, your club should call 01289 309 431

  9. Auld Neil Lennon heid on

    EmeraldBee\o/ on 20 March, 2012 at 10:17 said:

     

     

    Can I just add that on 5Live last night one of the panel made it clear that not only was the removal of CW from the scene an essential part of any deal, it also had to be equitable . That was the word in the HMRC statement that is overlooked and the panellist was at pains to point out its existence.

     

     

    It of course begs the question, who are the parties that need to be treated fairly? Well the taxpayer whom HMRC represents is one and of course there are other creditors. We are talking potentially £24M to £44M core tax here without interest or penalties, this is citizens money that Rangers have held on to and now they want to do a deal to keep some of it?

     

     

    They are having a laugh. Once the full story comes out the idea of keeping this “great” club in existence is going to be harder to peddle..

  10. Greenjedi

     

     

    Retaliate first and we will be a man down especially if Brown goes in early on in the game. Thought Broony was was great on Sunday but MIB will be looking for any excuse this week, also thought BigVic was good in the first half. Big Vic and Brown in the middle should sort them out and think Brown has matured enough now to not get an early bath. Let elbows know they are not taking any nonsense but keep clean tackles. I like your midfield, solid. and let Sammi off the leash he terrifies them. Stokes up front and I would not play Wilson he has a lot to do to prove himself. Anyway whatever team Lenny puts out should be enough to beat thems if D.U. can beat them easily while not playing well. Hope MIB does not have any (brave) decisions to make, there is no such thing as a brave decision.

  11. Bobby Evans Superstar on

    Gordon_J backing Neil Lennon on 20 March, 2012 at 10:44 said:

     

    If the huns were to be let off from paying any of the outstanding tax bills, why would any football team ever pay HRMC on time again.

     

     

    Hell, why would any company?

     

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    Exactly

  12. I am reviewing the situation at RFC, it doesn’t get any clearer.

     

     

    Now it sounds like the Blue Knights want to do a deal with TicketUs for future season ticket monies and HMRC so they don’t have to pay the outstanding Tax.

     

     

    Now why is the Whyte Knight such a pariah with the Knights that go Bloo & the multitude?

     

     

    I remember.

     

     

    He did a deal with TicketUs for future season ticket monies and wouldn’t pay the outstanding Taxes.

     

     

    IThinkI’dBetterThinkItOutAgain.

  13. Oh shit!, just got a phone call from a woman asking me to go for an interview tomorrow says she will send me the details today. Says the company name, MIM, surely not, better get a bloody good lawyer (TAX). HAHA

  14. Gordon_J

     

     

    Spot on. HMRC are not a bank and should not act like one.

     

     

    Rangers non payments of PAYE/NI are quite small from a monetary point of view but Man City with a wage bill of close to £140m a year must be paying close to £70m tax per year.

     

     

    One year of deciding not to pay this could get them even more better players. Why wouldn’t they use this avenue when the worst that can happen is that they pay it back in smaller installments over the years or better at a reduced rate.

     

     

    Mort

  15. Bobby Evans Superstar on 20 March, 2012 at 10:30 said:

     

    Vmhan Supporting Lenny! on 20 March, 2012 at 10:29 said:

     

    Sheik 12 players

     

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    Maybe the ref wont count them

     

     

    share

     

    AAHAHAHAHAAH

     

     

     

    TAKE BROZEK OOT THEN

     

    SUNDAY EFFECTED ME MORE THAN I THOT

     

     

    HAHAAAHAH

  16. Bobby Evans Superstar on

    Chairbhoy on 20 March, 2012 at 10:51 said:

     

    I am reviewing the situation at RFC, it doesn’t get any clearer.

     

     

    Now it sounds like the Blue Knights want to do a deal with TicketUs for future season ticket monies and HMRC so they don’t have to pay the outstanding Tax.

     

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    Simple – they are borrowing money to pay off their debt. Wait a minute – hasn’t someone already done that?

  17. BOBBY MURDOCH'S CURLED-UP WINKLEPICKERS on

    Brogan Rogan Trevino and Hogan supports Kano 1000

     

     

    If you can take the time to write a post like that,I can surely take the time to type your full name.

     

     

    Quite a forensic post,and I’m sure you may have left a few wee bits out. But I think I may revisit the discussion between Chris Kamara and a certain former Rangers player.

     

     

    I may not be the only one.

     

     

    Thanks for this,it is superb reading.

     

     

    Gonna e-mail it to a few friends down here who are becoming increasingly aware of what has been going on.

  18. Bobby Evans Superstar on

    Brogan Rogan Trevino and Hogan supports Kano 1000

     

     

    I’d add my congrtas too on an excellent assessment.

  19. David Peter Deans on

    Good morning Guys,

     

    On Sunday we were very lethargic and pedestrian. For a cup final i cant understand why this was the case. If you cant raise your game for a final there is a problem. Hooper was very poor and did nothing all the game. Samaras did more in the short time he was on and at least looked interested. Forrest for me had a nightmare of a game, both he and Hooper should have been taken of long before the end. Wilson was poor for there goal. Rogne should have stayed on he was winning everything that came in the air in to our box. On Sunday i would go for the following line up.

     

     

    Forster

     

    Izzy Rogne Mulgrew Mathews.

     

    Brown Ki Wanyama Ledley

     

    Samaras Broznek.

  20. son of VanShugsidonk on

    ‘evning bhoys n ghirls from down-under

     

     

    forster

     

    cha rogne wanyama mulgrew

     

    brown ki-sung ledley mccourt

     

    stokes samaras

     

     

    lets finish this mob off no mercy

     

    HailHail

  21. Bobby Evans Superstar on

    David Peter Deans

     

     

    I don’t think Izzy would cope with this game – he has not impressed since returning from injury. This is going to be a physical battle, so subconsciously this may be too much for him.

     

     

    Not sure about Broznek as we have seen so little of him, but maybe ???? If not him, then Stokesy up front to win fouls in addition to being able to snatch a goal.

  22. Auld Neil Lennon heid on

    BRTH

     

     

    If it walks like a duck…….

     

     

    Given the remarkable similarity and SDM connection between what has happened at Ranger and what happened at HBOS (and RBS) that indicates that just as the banks required Government intervention so too does football, do you think the Scottish Government stance set out below in a letter of March 2008 is still valid and does more work now need to be done?

     

     

    In view of the collapse of credibility in the SFA and the part football (not just Rangers) plays in the fabric of Scottish Society is it not about time the SG wrote to the SFA/UEFA/FIFA and threatened intervention in the shape of a Football Ombudsman to whom the SFA were accountable, whom supporters could appeal to when rules appeared to be being ignore, bent or broken and who reported to Parliament?

     

     

    The way this sorry affair is unfolding with no leadership being shown by anyone cast doubts (imo) on this country’s ability to govern itself. I mean if we cannot be trusted to govern football with intregrity, how can we be trusted to govern an independent Scotland?

     

     

    Letter from the SG.

     

     

    Dear Mr Auldheid

     

     

    Thank you for your letter of 15 March 2008 to the First Minister concerning the state and governance of Scottish football. As this division of the Scottish Government has general responsibility for policy issues on sport and physical recreation in Scotland, your letter has been passed to me for reply.

     

     

    You will know that responsibility for the governance of the game lies with the SFA the governing body of football, however you need to be aware that Scottish Ministers have no authority to intervene in these matters, therefore you may wish to raise your concerns about the governance of the sport with the SFA directly.

     

     

    I note your comments about the recent difficulties experienced by Gretna Football Club and would advise that this is a situation which needs to be resolved between the club and the Scottish Premier League and it would not be appropriate for the Scottish Government to intervene. However the Scottish Government does support the majority of the White Paper on Sport and encourages the European Commission’s progress.

     

     

    The primary concerns are within ‘specificity of sport’ and sport governance. Overall, the White Paper is an admirable achievement, however it does not go very far in ‘hard’ or legislative capabilities and focuses on the ‘soft’ measures already implemented in existing policies and programmes. It raises a lot of questions and the Scottish government is aligned with other stakeholders’ concerns, such as UEFA and the EPFL, in regards to a stronger concept in section 4.1 of a ‘specificity of sport’ and the governance of sport. Scotland has a strong history of football and as it is a devolved sport, the Scottish Football Association (SFA) has numerous links in Europe, with and including UEFA and the EPFL.

     

     

    The governance of sport was a key and controversial issue that was brought up at the EU Sports Directors Conference in Lisbon in July 2007. The Commission has stated its intention to hold a football stakeholders meeting with UEFA, EPFL and associations and national leagues on licensing systems and best practices, which might bring more clarity to what the Commission intends to do with the governing bodies of sport and the future governance of sport at EU level.

     

     

    Therefore, while you are correct in stating that the initiative led by the European Commission would and has been welcomed by the Scottish Government, there is still a great deal of work to be done on the subject of governance of sport at European Commission level before these policies come to Scotland.

     

     

    Yours sincerely

     

     

    NEIL FERGUS

  23. Awe_Naw_No_Annoni_Oan_Anaw_Noo on

    http://www.guardian.co.uk/sport/2012/mar/16/dietmar-hamann-liverpool-small-talk

     

     

    Trap doesn’t half come out with some mad things now and then … Yeah, and it’s always down to him not speaking the language very well. He would say some very powerful things if he could speak the language better, but nevertheless he was still an inspiration. I remember at Bayern when we’d lost a home game and we were in training and he was trying to tell us that we can’t just go into the stadium and tell the fans we are sorry for it. We have to show balls. But he was looking for the word for cojones in German and couldn’t think of it. So one of our south American players told him the word for fanny instead, mushi in German. So he was telling us “Yes, yes, we’ve got to go out there and show the fans that we have a fanny.” And he kept saying it over and over again. We were trying not to laugh because it was a serious situation. We’d just lost a game two days before and he was angry. But eventually we burst out laughing and thankfully he joined in with us when he realised what he’d been saying.

  24. David Peter Deans on

    Booby Evans says,

     

     

    Good morning Bobby, I take your point regarding Izzy, howver looking at what the opposition have, i think they will try not to loose the game as opposed to winning it. I could be wrong but they are at there weakest at present so i feel Izzy would be OK. Hooper must sit this one out on current form. This could be a game for Broznek to make a claim for a permenant move, he must be chomping on the bit for a chance to prove himself, what better than against the huns. Paddy might be worth a punt also with Forrest not looking good at the momment.

  25. Afternoon bhoys from a snowey hun free mountain.

     

     

    Was hoping for a bit of rain, but woke up to 4 inches of wet snow, unexpected, at least I don’t have to paint today :>)

     

     

    Interesting tweets from AT, will his prog be hard hitting, or will the masonic influence come to the fore, time will tell.

     

     

    The sfa/spl doing nada as they do, hoping it will go away.

     

     

    Interesting listning to duffield last night when he got rather miffed when Daly asked him about the non payment of taxes, he said he didn’t know,and when asked who knew, he said CW, dearie me, CW did all the books at the bigotdome all by himself I presume.

     

     

    Now, you would think that the book keppers would be loyal to the likes of duffield rather than CW, who by all accounts wasn’t well liked, he knew, his retort bore that out.

     

     

    They are up to their necks in it, they are fraudsters and cheats and liars, the sooner they are gone from the planet, the better the planet will be.

     

     

    As for the hun playing football next season, they had better hurry up, they have 11 days to get their application in for a licence to play next year, don’t hear much about that in the MSM , I wonder why that is then.

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    Mort on 20 March, 2012 at 11:11

     

     

    Know exactly what you mean but just looking at the options. I understand Forrest & Hooper are both injured so Stokesy may be the only ‘striker’ available, albeit Brosnek may well be the answer. Just don’t know what the new bhoy can do for us.

  27. Surprised at the amount of people leaving out our best striker against Rangers on Sunday. Hooper must play. Best team should be on the pitch. It’s not a game to throw players in. Rangers are rubbish. Punish them and win the league.

     

     

    Forster

     

     

    Matthews

     

    Mulgrew

     

    Rogne

     

    Ledley

     

     

    Brown

     

    Wanyama

     

    Ki

     

    Samaras

     

     

    Stokes

     

    Hooper

     

     

    Go at them and win the game. Forget about playing Brozek or Izzy. Far too little match practice. Ledley at LB is a must. Best position for him this season. Charlie Mulgrew should be back at CB where he has been immense this season.

     

    Sunday was poor but this week is their opportunity to bounce back.

     

     

    Hoops 2-0.

     

     

    LB

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    David Peter Deans

     

     

    Paddy might be worth a shout. Broznek may also give us a physical presence – Lenny must have seen something in him to sign him up.