Football club politics is hard. You can adopt a popular position – for example, restricting Celtic fans to 700 tickets at Ibrox, but try accounting for bad actors throwing bottles, or the public safety hazard of disrupting egress routes build up over a century.
You successfully stop 7,000 Celtic fans from having a party, no more Leigh Griffiths tying scarves to your posts, but having conceded to fans’ demands, how do you unwind your position when circumstances move on?
The source cause behind Celtic ultimately deciding there would be no visiting fans when Newco visit on 8 April happened some years ago, when Newco designated part of the Broomloan Rd side of the ground, used for a century by away fans, for their ultras group. The ultras had to be moved to accommodate Celtic fans, which was always going to rub them up the wrong way.
Celtic were correct, the recent scenario where 700 fans were kettled into a stadium at huge public cost (policing outside of grounds is not paid for by the clubs), then had all sorts thrown at them for two hours, was untenable. Go back to 7,000 fans, with all that means for moving ultras and Celtic parties, or have home fans only.
It would take an enormously strong Newco board to revert to 7,000 visiting fans, something they have never had and are very unlikely to have any time (generation) soon. Gone are the days when a David Murray-type would tell them what they needed to know at Ibrox, and they would lap it up/pay their bond to confirm a right to buy a season ticket, without complaint.
The only scenario that I see changing things is when Newco season ticket sales drop so far they can free-up space in another stand and locate their ultras there, perhaps with the promise of safe standing, as a sprinkling of sugar on the medicine. So maybe not that long.
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Happy Wednesday all.
International break over yet?
HH!
Yess
Keep the noise down PHILCOOL
Seems the perma Eddie Howe video has gone and been replaced with Ange.
Surely a mistake. Can’t be having that.
Terrific article Paul.
Would respectfully challenge the last sentence….
“So maybe not that long”.
IMHO, this underestimates the innate stupidity of the average Sevco supporter.
They literally lap anything up.
Best guess of mine?
Season ticket sales will begin to reduce five years from now …
IF (genuine big if) Celtic win 60-70% of trophies during that period.
Celtic will become … ahem … “The world’s most successful club”.
Penny will finally drop with them …
30 years after it dropped for everyone else
Paul67,
The Truth be told, I’d rather none or the full allocation like before – 700/800 isnae that great. This wisnae Celtic’s making. Perhaps that 5% would be a better solution.
I thought the Bayern support was immense and was very disappointed in the size of the Real Madrid support. Arguably the 2 biggest fitba teams on the Planet atm.
CelticTV always has cracking access/footage.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MI4bpozjIxU
Paul 67,
Pandering to Ultras is never a pragmatic approach.
As for 7000 fans at Greyskull. Forget it we would have to reciprocate.
We want as many of our supporters at Parkhead watching Celtic as physically possible. That should be our overriding priority.
No huns at Paradise and f@ck the consequences.
HH. The journey continues. Europe is vital, Greyskull is not.
Footstamp! Dearie me! Huv you no learnt yit, it’s no greyskull, it’s that other wan…
WBC,
Sorry about your footstamping. I was about to tell a corny joke, but had second thoughts.
If Kirsty McCabe had mentioned the other wan, then mibbies Aye.
However she didn’t and since Greyskull annoyed them so much then it’s Greyskull for me.
Anyway, have you driven past it recently. Greyskull describes it perfectly.
HH.
JoeBloggsCity
@joebloggscity
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Mar 17
Happy St Patrick’s day!
“Celtic Park will ‘flash before my eyes on deathbed’
Irish star Siobhan Fahey from Bananarama.
She used to attend Celtic games as a child, says her biggest achievement was supporting Prince at his 1992 gig in Parkhead.
https://twitter.com/joebloggscity/status/1636660757201813505/photo/1
GREENPINATA
Unfamiiar the game/movie involving “Greyskull” to save confusion can we not give “IT” the common thoughts of MORDOR” home of the “ORCS”
Apart from rest/ recuperation for some players the “Internatiol Break” is brutal
HH
na na na na, na na na na, hey-ey-ey, Glasgow Celtic
#bananarama #early80s
WBC
And it’s Celtic Park not Parkhead
Greenpinata…passed by recently. Decrepit hovel.
Toasted cheese
Btw…is our next game at Dingwall or Parkhead?
:-)
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CONEYBHOY on 22ND MARCH 2023 1:14 PM
na na na na, na na na na, hey-ey-ey, Glasgow Celtic
#bananarama #early80s
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I have always thought of them as a karaoke/covers band. The original of the one you quote, by Steam, is much superior to the cover. The same is true of Venus, by Shocking Blue…
For we will be Mastered, by no O………
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JyyD2FCfu4Q
Legend.CSC
3 Derby games left,I guarantee VAR on 2 of them will be Clancy and Collum, the 2 cowards who the huns have banned in the recent past, and terrified to flag up to the referee, anything VAR picks up.This league isn’t won yet.
Ajax and Feyenoord have banned each other’s away support since 2009.
BADA BING @ 1.29
Cue the paranoia police
onto other matters.
I note celtic have now scored 93 league goals this season and have a goal difference of 72.
surpassing the 92 goals and plus 70 of the total for all last season.
we have broken 100 goals in 11 of our 117 league seasons.
Our most recents being 106 for in the invincibles season..
our record season is 116 in 1916, Sniper McCo;; being the top scorer.
we are in record breaking territory here, 3 goals a game we are hitting with 9 games to go.
we could be witnessing history you know,
and with soemthing called rangers in the league.
pilling on the agony ………..
as ange ball performance has been stated as peaking at the end of the season could we also see another goal blitch one day, with everything hitting the back of the net another 9 or maybe a 10 , even a record 12 , why not it is doable.
celticbynumbers
@Alan_Morrison67
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29m
With thanks to
@SteveMcGrory2
for pointing this out, this is a very comprehensive primer of “Angeball” and a fantastic summary of the weaknesses
One to bookmark
https://twitter.com/EBL2017/status/1638465955515756544
18 YARD MAN on 22ND MARCH 2023 1:28 PM
I didn’t know that was a cover (i knew Venus was). Bananarama were pure pish but I like that chant at the football
Over four years ago of course, the (enormously strong) Celtic Board took the decision to mimic the Dave King school of crowd control, by adopting the same approach, same numbers of opposition fans at the Celtic-Rangers match on September 2 2018. In conjunction with PoliceScotland, and the GCC, our Board, redesigned the wheel in order to accommodate the 800. Actually the exact number was 796. The result of which was “a unique set of circumstances” which put tens of thousands of our own supporters at serious risk. All this to keep the ‘Old Firm’ “atmosphere”. At that point Celtic should have made clear to those in charge at Ayebrokes that we will not accept a reduced allocation, nor will we reciprocate. Amid the sound of breaking glass the Celtic Board attempts to take the high ground. Only taken five years to get there.
The hardest Part of the game.
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I was offerred so much.
We are Truly Blessed being Celtic Supporters.
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SAINT STIVS on 22ND MARCH 2023 1:59 PM
celticbynumber@Alan_Morrison67
Always look at Alan’s site, great analysis but I’ve always hated Algebra and Trigonometry.
Reminds me of St Gerrards. Wednesday mornings 2 period woodwork, 2 period Algebra.
Always delays looking for woodwork tools. UNTIL, ENOUGH!!!
6 oh the belt for everyone at woodwork !
Over to Algebra. ” Yer Late” 6 oh the belt again😭
Think next week some guys were bringing their old mans tools in
HH
SAINT STIVS on 22ND MARCH 2023 1:59 PM
celticbynumbers @Alan_Morrison67
One to bookmark
https://twitter.com/EBL2017/status/1638465955515756544
Excellent read, fascinating break down of Angeball.
Thanks
EMERALDBEE \O/ A DOUBLE NINER!! on 22ND MARCH 2023 2:43 PM
it does give me a bit of hope in my heart that we can and will start winning in europe, we create the chances, some are going to go in sometime.
EBL
@EBL2017
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5h
Ange has signed Kyogo (Celtic’s top scorer), Abada and Maeda (two reliable contributors to output), Juranovic (who moved on for a profit of £7.5 million), Jota (a sensational talent who has potential to play for the elites), Matt O’Riley, Cater-Vickers, Johnston, Mooy, Hatate..
EBL
@EBL2017
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5h
The highest fee paid for anyone there was Jota at £6.5m who Celtic will surely at least quadruple their value on.
The thing about the signings, though, is that they are all specifically bought for his system. Again, this is another trait of the elite managers in world football.
“…It ain’t what we do, it’s the way that we do it.
It ain’t what we do, it’s the way that we do it.
It ain’t what we do, it’s the way that we do it.
And that’s what gets results.”
– Angeball, in a Bananarama nutshell.
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Legends game on Saturday.
Paul Lambert our manager, I never knew that.
HH.
WEEBOBBYCOLLINS on 22ND MARCH 2023 1:22 PM
Btw…is our next game at Dingwall or Parkhead?
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Dingwall and a 12 o’clock kick off
Politicians really do my head in.
Once more we see huge food inflation. Likewise alcohol. Yes no one is actually prepared to address the elephant in the room which is that these things are an inevitable consequence of an ill thought through Brexit initiative which succeeded in making a few wealthy and promising the racist masses that they would have ‘their Engerland back’ whatever the feck that means.
Of all of them surely Labour has a mandate to highlight this. Likewise instead of the charade with Boris Johnston should we not be spending serious time discussing and actioning how we can make a sows purse out of this pigs ear of a European exit.