I see a bit of debate on the blog this morning on Lord Nimmo Smith’s SPL Commission, which has retired to prepare its report. In March last year former Rangers owner, Sir David Murray, insisted no Rangers players had “side contracts”, inferring there was no case to answer. This line has not been peddled since. Instead, various excuses are offered in mitigation.
BBC’s award winning The Men Who Sold the Jerseys documentary established that a large number of players received money in connection with playing football which was not recorded with the SPL and SFA. Even Rangers counsel at the First Tier Tribunal conceded tax should have been paid on five of these players.
The real issue for Nimmo Smith is how to impose an appropriate punishment for illegal registration on this scale, which is consistent with punishments recently handed out to Spartans, Dunfermline and others, all of whom were kicked out of competitions, and fined up to a quarter of their annual income, for offences relating to single games.
For a couple of years now we have discussed the toxicity of matters surrounding the Rangers group of clubs. Actions carried out during the Murray and Whyte eras put Rangers into liquidation with vast governance issues plaguing the game and the new club which inherited their player registrations.
On the assumption the SPL Commission concludes Rangers were guilty of fielding illegally registered players in hundreds of games, what would an appropriate punishment be? Forget about stripping titles, or reclaiming prize money, both of which are merely consequences of the facts being established, not punishments.
I have total confidence Nimmo Smith will submit a report beyond reproach on whether Rangers broke the rules, but would he send for a Black Cap before handing out a sentence? I’m not so sure. Spartans and the rest might feel their 25% annual income fine for a single-match offence might become an embarrassment to some of the game’s administrators.
“Without fear or favour” was what we were promised last year. Let’s see.
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Sevconian song book appears to be particularly vile today.
Chatting to the aul boy on the phone there.. Said the programme on sean fallon was excellant last night.
Anyone know if i can watch it online anywhere ? Im in oz .
neganon2
12:40 on 23 February, 2013
Just tuned into the Huns game to hear continual sectarian singing. Police don’t appear to be doing anything about it. Funny that.
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Saw 2 them videoing some of the peepil.
Huns responded with a chant about shoving the camera somewhere.
Heard some of there songs , absolute filth.
Hopefully fulham game is decent
Barcabhoy
More than once Ive asked myself what if nothing wrong took place and everything was done by the rules?
But not just football registration rules but membership rules and club licensing rules and SFA disciplinary rules? Not to mention the strange administration then liquidation.
They all form part of the environment in which judgement is being passed and whilst a not guilty verdict would have to make me reassess my judgement, I would still want clarity on a range of issues to convince me that Rangers were not benefitting from either a perception or a reality that Scottish football could not live without them.
I would find that underlying concept totally unacceptable in terms of sporting integrity unless those at the SFA on whose watch this debacle unfolded and those who may have steered it to its current state, did not resign and present a portfolio of changes to their procedures that were at fault in order to prevent a repeat of any club having too much influence at the SFA.
Whether LNS pronounces Rangers guilty or innocent there will be no apology from me until the SFA are brought to account.
proudbhoy
http://www.rte.ie/player/bg/show/10115074/
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Some of Us Ml4 Bhoys Sang..
Sheena in the Sun..
Summa of UpTheSandyEastonCSC
They’ve now changed the last line of We Shall Not be Moved to…..”and the Catholic Church!”
I want to play them and absolutely destroy them. Absolute scum, I hate them.
Berwick, being in England, sits outside the jurisdiction of the CJ(S) Act and OBaFTC Act.
I suppose folk will need to rely on the good judgment of the SFL in this matter…
Hamiltontim
They’re playing in the 3rd division, and will be in the bottom tier next year, providing Charles can sell enough BOGOF half price kit.
Let them rot.
The Battered Bunnet
Im sure Longmuir & Ballantyne will come down hard on them :))
If they are not at game :))
Hey gents! It’s been a wee while since I’ve been on, and with good reason!
I was putting the finishing touches to my first book. Which is now done!
http://www.amazon.com/Fragments-ebook/dp/B00BJ83F2C/ref=sr_1_22?ie=UTF8&qid=1361622897&sr=8-22&keywords=fragments
It’s called Fragments, and it’s available for Kindle. I’m looking at a print version, but that will depend on a few things, like what they cost. Don’t want to do it if it’s going to be outrageous …
Anyway guys, I thought the CQN Book Club might find it interesting.
What about the Sevconian away support today? The worst of the worst.
Leftclic
Memory isn’t what it used to be, think I recognise some of whom you are referring but they were a bit younger than me. Few Bellshill bhoys in the team with me when we won the Scottish at OLHS, Hugh Bradley, Shug Cassidy…
Team for tomorrow:
::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: Zaluska :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::
Matthews :::::::::::: Ambrose ::::::::::::: Wilson :::::::::::: Izaguirre
::::::::::::: Wanyama ::::::::::: Mulgrew :::::::::::: Ledley ::::::::::::::::
::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: Commons ::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::
:::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: Hooper ::::::::::::::: Stokes ::::::::::::::::::::::::::
good luck ith it JF
I’ll ask Mrs BT to download it to her kindle..
Have Sevco not already admitted guilt in the cases of 5 players at the FTT.
And in the cases of 2 players before that.
So how could they possibly get a not guilty verdict.
Is LNS from Edinburgh
kikinthenakas
Know them well was at scool with Shug Bs younger brother & Im sure I seen Mr C at parkhead last week,
James Forrest
Good stuff, James. Once I work out how to use it, I’ll download it to Kindle.
Keep writing, and drop in on CQN once in a while. Miss your two-coffee rants.
pat nevin is going to go ballistic about that there sectarian singing,
Leftclic
What a team, we went nearly 2 years without getting beat….7 or 8 went to senior clubs.
Anyway, need to get some local ML CQNers to meet in the Tav for a few beers…
Saint Stivs
My thoughts exactly ,when I was watching posts.
He will get round to it once he has finished taking his Soup.
Till later
clink\o/
12:56 on
23 February, 2013
Have Sevco not already admitted guilt in the cases of 5 players at the FTT.
And in the cases of 2 players before that.
So how could they possibly get a not guilty verdict.
Is LNS from Edinburgh
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The FTT decision was relating to whether the payments were subject to tax or not.
LNS investigation is to decide whether the payments should have been declared to the football authorities as part of the players contracts for football activities.
Two different and totally separate things, therefore independent of one another irrespective of what the FTT/UTT findings were/are.
Hail! Hail!
Sitting in Sydney on a wild weather night,watching the hun in Berwick, and finding myself in complete disagreement with most of my fellow Tims on C.Q.N.
Absolutely loving every manifestation of their bigotry.
That includes the ref.
Will they ever confront the thug Black?
Commentator at Sevco game just confirmed they ( ESPN? ) are approaching authorities to see what can be done about the sectarian singing.
Blantyre, Up_over
Thanks lads.
I’ve heard their bigotry belt out of the stands before, for years. But I think today is as bad as it has ever been, as bad as I can ever remember hearing it. It’s scandalous.
kikinthenakas
Im a long time aff the swally bud, it has magical powers over me,
It turns me into an A***H*** in an instant.
Is that the railway tav
James Forrest…
Very many congratulations!
The short story genre has always been a particular favourite of mine.
Best of luck!
HH!!
The Battered Bunnet
12:51 on
23 February, 2013
Berwick, being in England, sits outside the jurisdiction of the CJ(S) Act and OBaFTC Act.
I suppose folk will need to rely on the good judgment of the SFL in this matter…
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Section 10 OBaFTC Act:
“10Sections 1(1) and 6(1): offences outside Scotland
(1)As well as applying to anything done in Scotland by any person, section 1(1) also applies to anything done outside Scotland by a person who is habitually resident in Scotland.
(2)As well as applying to anything done in Scotland by any person, section 6(1) also applies to a communication made by a person from outside Scotland if the person intends the material communicated to be read, looked at, watched or listened to primarily in Scotland.
(3)Where an offence under section 1(1) or 6(1) is committed outside Scotland, the person committing the offence may be prosecuted, tried and punished for the offence—
(a)in any sheriff court district in which the person is apprehended or in custody, or
(b)in such sheriff court district as the Lord Advocate may direct,as if the offence had been committed in that district (and the offence is, for all purposes incidental to or consequential on the trial and punishment, deemed to have been committed in that district).”
estorilbhoy
Is there anywhere to complain about bile on tv,
Just because :))
They needed a “Rangers Penalty” again today. The phrase, “Rangers penalty” is something we’ve all become used to and Gus MacPherson, then a St Mirren manager, was the first person I can mind making the distinction on TV.
Why is Murray officiating at the game ? Does he often get a stint in the lower leagues ?
Leftclic
It is indeed.
Organised a day out in Glasgow with lunch with CQNers before the Juve and Spartak games, was great fun!
Sevcovites all apologetic on:
“Probably a fair few lads from down south there today as its the closest game for them, they may not realise any potential implications for the club and I’d imagine this would be the reason for today’s excessive banter”
James Forrest is Neil Lennon! We are ALL Neil Lennon!
12:53 on
23 February, 2013
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To publish without the outrageous costs; drop an email to my mate, Dominic Ryan.
dominic@wordshq.co.uk
Any OZ Tims know a long lost pal of mine called Stevie Light?
He and his wife Hazel emigrated to Australia in the early 1990’s.
He was a big Celtic fan, and a great Bhoy .
I have no idea what part of OZ that he went to.
TT
leftclicktic
13:09 on 23 February, 2013
estorilbhoy
Is there anywhere to complain about bile on tv,
Just because :))
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I’ve had professional dealings with these guys before, they’re usually pretty good and handle complaints well ( if you’re so inclined :))
http://consumers.ofcom.org.uk/tell-us/
Bhuns singing “Craig Burley’s wife’s a w****” ………. They are the vilest of the vile
BIG-CUP-WINNERS@13:11
‘Why is Murray officiating at the game ? Does he often get a stint in the lower leagues?’
It is one of the many failings of the Referees Association in this country.
I don’t see Mark Clattenburg (considered by the EPL to be the best in the league) or any other EPL standard referee, taking charge of any League 2 games south of the border.
The game in this country will never improve and move forward, until there is a complete overhaul of the Referees Association.
A confused John Brown, somewhere on the M90:
“Whaur’s ra diddy Dees?”
James
Bunnet doffed.
TBB