I like Neil Lennon. If Neil Lennon is talking about football, I shut up and listen. But I respectfully disagree on other subjects. If the last three years have taught us anything it’s that Celtic don’t need oldco or newco Rangers. Unequivocally, Celtic Park is quieter since Rangers liquidated, the level of competition we previously had added many to the gates, none of us feel the anxiety of genuine sporting challenge, but so what?
If Celtic sell 40,000 instead of 50,000 season tickets are we mortally wounded? The accounts would suggest otherwise. Does it mean we cannot compete in Europe? I refer to Neil’s record. Does it mean we cannot attract quality players? Well, it means we will not be able to attract some players, but I’m more than happy with the calibre of players we’ve recruited at the moment. Good riddance to the parts of Celtic that went out the door when Rangers were flushed down the Liquidation Lavvy.
I’m going to cut Neil some slack. I’ve been among Rangers fans and been generous enough to acknowledge income will rise at Celtic if newco ever reach the top flight. It costs nothing to be magnanimous.
What we do need is competition, the like of which Aberdeen have given us in the league this season and they and Dundee United may provide next season, if current trends continue. Congratulations are due to Hearts, who won the Championship before the clocks went forward, an incredible display of dominance, but as our two cup wins against them this season (3-0, 0-4) proves, they are miles away from providing the level of competition we see from Aberdeen.
Don’t have time to get dragged into a larger debate at the moment, but whenever Scottish football next turns its mind to strategic development, how to bolster Aberdeen and United should be top of the agenda. I enjoyed our four games against United this month and the recent league game against Aberdeen. More of them would be welcome.
We have a league split at the moment, where the top six hive off to play for the title, but it comes with only five games to play. An earlier split, allowing us more games against those at the top, while creating more opportunity for teams at the bottom to pick up points from their peers, makes more sense. Especially if more commercial income could be shared with the likes of Aberdeen and United.
Have you ever walked up Ben Nevis? Will you ever do so? It’s a big task if you are starting from scratch. When is it safe, what do you wear, what if something goes wrong, how long will it take, what about nourishment along the way?
The Ben Nevis Huddle delivers much of what you need on a plate. The Foundation have it all in hand. You get to walk up the mountain with a couple of hundred other Celts. They let you know what you need to know, check the weather for you and generally look out for things. They have left no one on the mountain. Yet.
What’s more, you get to do it in the name of Celtic FC Foundation, for our work with autism, downs, the homeless and destitute, those marginalised from our society, and those living in third world poverty.
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Just a thought as well, maybe Sevco fans don’t want to be called huns as they are a new club and don’t want to be tainted with that previous history?
Yes mr Lunny people at Ibrox and tynecastle did lose their jobs. What about the creditors and tax payers that lost millions as a result of EBT payments that caused their demise and are still part of a legal appeal process ?
The direness of that mob should be constantly brought to the publics attention to underline the cheating clubs actions aided and abetted by the SFA.
from earlier
Ure Primrose
Sir John’s surname was responsible for a popular football quiz question of the seventies. “What is Bob Wilson’s middle name?” The answer is “Primrose”. The former Arsenal and Scotland goalkeeper is a grand-nephew of Sir John, on his mother’s side of the family. Family tradition dictated he take his mother’s maiden name as his middle name.
and
John Ure Primrose was a Unionist politician, Grandmaster of an Orange Lodge. He created links between the Freemasons and used the club to fund the Orange Order.
He ensured R*ngers reached out to endear them to the most fanatical when taking his chairmanship in 1912 he said: “R*ngers could never field a Catholic Player”.
Him and others chose R*ngers identity like people choosing what trousers or pants to put on. It was a decision based on hatred, bigotry, greed and the morals of a sewer rats.
It’s no wonder that since that point the club, players and fans have acted the way they have.
and (from hunmedia)
It’s also worth pointing out that prior to 1912, there wasn’t any trouble between Rangers and Celtic fans even though there was a religious divide in the fans. 1912 was obviously the year the UVF started up and Primrose became Chairman. He was eager to build links between Rangers and the Masonic lodge, which prior to 1912 had no direct link.
Primrose was an outspoken anti catholic, and publicly pledged Rangers to the masonic cause and publicly voicing Anti Catholic sentiments.
This is true.
Now society has moved on, but as Outlaw and others point out; regardless of what way you cut it, our roots are Protestant, Unionist and Loyalist to the very core and I beleive our duty is to continue to stand up to those who disagree in our culture as we would be committing a crime against our club’s most important members.
Even if you don’t beleive in this duty, you should have respect for these people who provided the club with a platform to get where we are today. James Henderson to David Holmes.
and
Sir John Ure Primrose, Bart., LL.D, was one of the leading figures in the city of Glasgow in the years before and after the turn of the twentieth century. A leading politician and businessman, he led a busy and varied life.
The future chairman of Rangers Football Club was born in Glasgow on 6 October, 1847 to William Primrose, merchant-miller, and Annie Ure. Annie’s father, John, was also a merchant-miller. Her brother, also John, would serve as Lord Provost of Glasgow in the period 1880-83. His nephew would follow him as the first citizen just over twenty-years later.
John Ure Primrose would spend his business life with the family firm, William Primrose & Sons, Centre Street Flour Mills. He would eventually become senior partner. His political life began as a member of the Govan Police Commission. He joined the Town Council as a representative of the Kingston ward. From 1891 to 1895 he served as a city magistrate, being the senior magistrate in 1895. In 1903 he was elected Lord Provost.
Sir John became a member of Rangers Football Club in August, 1887, the month in which First Ibrox Park was opened. At the annual meeting in 1888, the future baronet but at that time Councillor Primrose, was elected Honorary President. He only vacated this office on becoming chairman some twenty-four years later.
When William Craig proposed Sir John as successor to James Henderson in 1912, he accepted on the condition it be an interim appointment. This interim appointment lasted for eleven years! A great believer in fair play, Sir John was a great supporter of the Glasgow Merchants Charity Cup, raising many thousands of pounds for institutions in Glasgow and the West of Scotland. A member of the Glasgow Choral Union, he possessed a fine tenor voice and was honorary choirmaster to the Ibrox UF Church. By coincidence, William Wilton was also a choirmaster.
What is the collective term for a group of huns?
Hunners?
By coincidence, William Wilton was also a choirmaster.
But not much of a sailor sadly.
Roy Croppie and Miss Croppie have a braw day….
The Huns are Dead…….awfy braw ….
Every time you feel yourself being pulled into *the people* drama….repeat these words …
not my circus …not my monkeys….
braw
OK
If you are a Protestant, Catholic, Muslim, Jewish, Athiest or any other persuasion and are a follower of Rangers or now SEVCO 5088 then you are…… a Hun (although I admit that sevco 5088 has yet to underake any Euro travails on which to disgrace themselves). It cannot therefore be prod specific or sectarian.
If you are a Protestant Celtic support (of which there are a guid few) you can never be a Hun, ergo…………
HH
Geordie Munro at 11.58
“taking potshots from behind a screen”
I’m not certain what you meant by this.
I have thought about this and at first I thought you meant that you thought that Hamiltontim and I were the same person. Then I wondered if you meant that taking potshots on a blog in general was “cheap” as anyone posting under a name other than their real name is “behind a screen”.
Genuinely confused.
PS I’m not Hamiltontim – he’s got a degree but I’ve got the looks!
I believe John Guidetti is wrong
the huns r not deid unfortunately
rangers fc are and the sevco are dying.
the huns are very much alive as they are their sectarian bigoted
knuckle dragging followers who are now following a new club in the
form of sevco.
got it?
good.
Bhoys
just a quick lunchtime visit, thanks for the birthday wishes, very humbling.
Lucy will be chuffed when I show her the posts tonight.
HH
Chairbhoy : yeah its a cracking wee documentary eh.. definitely brings back the memories to us over 40s .. and you young’uns ;-)
I also thought this was hilarious:
I found the following list of signed Catholics to be repeated on forum after forum, and especially for some reason on the comments sections of online newspaper articles. I’ve had a look and I can only find information on a few of the names. Here it is in full:
Willie “Doc” Kivlichan 1906 – 1907
Colin Mainds 1906 – 1907
Tom Murray 1907 – 1908
Pat Lafferty 1886 (before Celtic existed)
Johnny Jackson 1917
James Tutty 1899 – 1900
Tom Dunbar 1891 – 1892
Joe Donnachie 1914 – 1918
Hugh O’Neill 1976
Constantine McGhie
Don Kichenbrand “This fact had not been established prior to his signing for Rangers and he was asked to keep it a secret for the duration of his stay at Ibrox.” 1955 – 1956
Laurie Blyth played 1951-52 season, signed by ‘accident’ and was released once his religion was known.
John Spencer played 1987-1992, 13 appearances, included two loan spells to Morton and Lai Sun of Hong Kong
John Clare
Johnny Kennedy
Charles McCafferty (Never made a first team appearance)
Daniel Divers
Chris Houston
John Manners
Bob Cleary
George (or Gorg) Banciewicz
Eddie Devenney
Terry Sloan
Brian Grubb
Edward Devlin
Andy Casey
Tom Cassidy
Bob “Dancer” Dunn
Peter Mone
“Starry” McLachlan
As you can see the online info appears to be rather sparse. In fact can anyone confirm any of the above names that do not have dates against them?
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William at 72, your list of Catholic Rangers players is certainly impressively long. Obviously the very idea of a sectarian signing policy was a vile slur.
However, I notice that a large number of these Rangers players’ names bear a striking similarity to those of the teaching staff working at St Aloysius College in the late 1970s and early 1980s. To wit:
Charles McCafferty or “Weed” as we knew him – Latin master at St Al’s. Liked the Aeneid and Caesar’s Gallic War. I didn’t. Rumour had it that he had been on Celtic’s books at one point.
Daniel (Dan) Divers – also Latin master at St Al’s, as were Chris Houston (Sweaty, RIP) and Bob (Bob) Cleary. So that’s the entire Latin department from my time at St Al’s. What a great back four they’d have made. Badminton was more Sweaty’s speed, I think.
John – or rather, Father – Manners was before my time, but I believe he was a Jesuit man and that his nickname was Toad.
George Banciewizc was a somewhat psychotic maths teacher, fond of hurling the wooden blackboard duster at the inattentive. Truly terrifying man and too scary for a nickname.
Terry Sloan was a fellow pupil who I sat beside in 4th year chemistry. Played bass in a very bad sub-Stranglers band called Underground Hero.
Brian Grubb was the useless and slightly thuggish physics teacher who was fired for moonlighting as a minicab driver. No need for a nickname with a surname like that.
Edward Devlin was the useful but slightly scary physics teacher. Nickname was “Ernie” after the v dull motorbike daredevil cartoon of the same name.
Andy Casey was a rather dapper geography teacher who apparently had some connection with Clyde FC. Had a worrying attachment to colour pencils.
Tom (Butch) Cassidy was a Canadian redhead who succeeded Andy Casey as head of geography after Andy became burser in 1980. Trained to be a priest at Maynooth, but apparently couldn’t hack it. Not a great teacher, but a good guy.
The fact that most of these teachers are actually grouped together by the subjects they taught tells me, William, that you have been hoaxed – and quite imaginatively. Who would have thought that these thoroughly Fenian pedagogues from the most Catholic school in Scotland led a double life as Rangers’ non-sectarian alibi? God, you think you know people.
Unfortunately, all of this casts doubt on the veracity of most of the rest of your names, and thoroughly undermines your point, does it not?
Phil,s up….http://www.philmacgiollabhain.ie/the-importance-of-giving/#more-6050
a braw kenner of the Hun …
braw
agent green
13:00 on 24 March, 2015
What is the collective term for a group of huns?
Hunners?
—-
A horde. A Hunnish horde.
HH jamesgang
Im sure Jimmy Kelly had a few run out for the huns as well
f.a.b. virgil (watrc)
13:09 on 24 March, 2015
I also thought this was hilarious:
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That’s too funny.
HH JamesGang
Ain’t no fun being a hun.
Ain’t no fun being a zombie either, a zombie being the reincarnation of the deid hun.
As Scotland’s leading Masonic bard once penned “A hun’s a hun for a’ that.”
dharma bam
You’ll certainly win just now. I’m in my sick bed and the sight isnae pleasant :-)
Time to stop laughing at huns and help them to recover their wee self esteems.
How about some Vouz etes Huns t shirts to show some empathy?
HH Jamesgang
If there really was an extensive list of Catholics who played for them prior to Jusas’ signing, what a terribly sad indictment on their support that this had to be hidden from them.
Dickson and the sewer rat Traynor are behind it.Traynor screwed the Huns for 250, 000 when he joined up with Chuckles.Six months later he went out to Australia and laid low.He is now back in town with his brand new PR company, which immediately went to work for the SA tax cheat and his cronies.He will continue to blacken our clubs name, along with his gutter press pals until Celtic PLC drag his fat slimy arse through the courts.
agent green
13:00 on 24 March, 2015
What is the collective term for a group of huns?
Silly Billys
Dan Divers on a football pitch, never.
HT,
Sorry to hear that – I was only joking about the good looks, btw.
I believe we may have very tenuous links via your other half, I lived in Condorrat from age 10. Before that it was Janefield Street.
How about a ‘March of Huns’
Or a ‘walk of Huns’
Naw. Prefer still prefer ‘horde’……
HH jamesgang
I see The Rangers have a game scheduled for this Saturday – in the middle of the international break along with all of the other lower league teams.
Can we therefore presume that none of their many international stars have received call ups?
Must be another example of that sectarian bias.
Jamesgang-although i like them being labled `huns’ it’s probably too European for them (and their fitba). A wee tribe closer to home known as the Taexali is probably more accurate.
From Beeb History – “Although the Taexali were defeated by the Roman (Catholics) in AD 84, they were never permanently occupied…”
See, even back then they were `never permanently occupied’..or as the Romans called it……
….on the Doleous! :-)
Dharma,
Not at all.
I was agreeing with you and ht and having a dig at those making cheap shots.
All in same post but not same target.
This whole episode is bonkers.
JG should base his defence on a crowd
funded article published in the Herald week’s ago.
Passed as legally binding, and factually correct.
As for Huns being anti protestant !!
I might run that by the numerous pals who
sing about the Huns but have no Catholic connection .
Loonies have indeed taken over the asylum.
AoW
Even a mild Dose of intellectualism will melt their wee heids.
Bless.
Laters Timdom
HH jamesgang
A gaggle. Or a pratfall.
wit hiv the Huns goat against being deid?………..di they want tae be Zombies….
braw
Two very clear FACTS* being repeated on followfollow:
FACT 1 – Hun is a derogatory term for Protestants
FACT 2 – in the past Rangers fans sang “go home you Huns” to Celtic fans.
A question springs to mind, why did they sing a derogatory term for Protestants to Celtic fans?
* apparently FACT written in capitals makes it a real fact!
Geordie,
That’s good to read! I couldn’t figure it out, however that wouldn’t have been a first!
dharma bam
She probably will know folk you know, it’s a bit odd here, everyone seems to know everyone else!!
Be careful of GM he’s a wrong yin :-)
Can’t wait to read today’s CQN article.
67 degrees of separation