Dave King and three fans, Park, Letham and Taylor, have bought 31% of newco Rangers this week, to add to some minor shareholding previously held. King and the others are not presenting themselves as acting in union, as that would force them to launch a formal takeover bid for all shares in the club. So get it right, this is not a takeover attempt (cough).
King’s shares were acquired from Artemis and Miton Group, who were not aligned with the Easdales, Mike Ashley, or any onerous contracts, they were shareholders hooked at the IPO in December 2012.
We’ve long urged those who are seeking regime change to buy shares in newco, instead of trying to force it into insolvency, an inappropriate course of action. The actions this week confirm the view that the current regime are entrenched and only 50% + one share will change anything.
The remaining significant shareholders: Blue Pitch, Margarita, Easdales and Ashley will all have their exit price. Any one, or all of them, will go if the new investors are prepared to offer enough money – and that is likely to be considerably more than was paid to Artemis and Miton Group. The figures paid this week are relatively small beer compared to the tens of millions required to keep the financially non-viable entity afloat over the next few years.
King, of course, was non-executive director of Rangers, charged with ensuring good governance at the club which was found to have operated an illegal Discount Option Scheme and illegally paid five players through Employee Benefit Trusts, with others subject to appeal. He remained a director of the club until a liquidator was appointed to wrap-up its business.
He was also called a “glib and shameless liar” by a judge in South Africa, where he was convicted of tax evasion, so he’s pretty much perfect to take an active role in newco.
Reports suggest that there is not enough money in the business to meet January payroll, so we’ll not have to wait long to see if those currently in control are intent on remaining in control, of if they are prepared to sel-up and walk away.
My hunch – Ashley will not be usurped by people who attempted to put one of his businesses under. He has the profitable parts of newco Rangers and he’ll do whatever necessary to keep them. He also strikes me as someone who would be unforgiving in the face of manipulation.
A walk down memory lane: Fergus McCann offered bought out each member of Celtic’s old regime in 1994, no matter the price, apart from the likes of Kevin Kelly, who declined his cash but offered to vote alongside him. It cost a lot of money, but it was the right thing to do.
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Hamiltontim it is a ridiculous statement from delia about it coming down to the wire but it’s only one of a long list of incredulous and silly statements from our manager.
Our level of ambition continuos to plummet. We no longer aspire to mediocrity we aspire to simply appease the Hun.
mcdowellcelt god bless wee oscar
No I don’t recall any comments from them when Lenny lost games we would have been expected to win.
big georges fan club – hail, hail, wee oscar
11:47 on 3 January, 2015
winning captains
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Or focus on a single, undeniable zombie killing fact…..a single ‘good luck new club’ quote a la Walter ……. And a call for full debts (commercial and footballing) to be repaid.
History doesn’t come cheap. Still less free through swindling folk.
Now I’ll shut up cos it’s a mare to edit stuff with a plethora of opinionated Tims like me adding their EBT’s worth!
;-)
HH jamesgang
I see Ronny Deila got worser because our game was called off.
Sutton saying it would be least impressive treble and a bit of a joke if Deila won it. Sighting the fact that only MON and Jock were the only previous ones to do it and the lack of competition on the league.
Suttons contradicts himself so many times with his patter he just looks like the ex player with a column in an unpopular rag that he is.
Again Aberdeen are performing as the best 2nd placed side for over 4 years and Celtic are about 2 points of that same number of season average. Chris ignores the improvement in Aberdeen and concentrates on a further character assassination of Ronny. He intimates that Ronny is no MON or Stein but fails to mention his pal Lennons poor form at times as Celtic manager nor mitigates his criticism with his own poor management forrays.
Chris is a media hoare.
Kevjungle
No doubt some of the stuff you relate concerning Fergus hits the mark.
But are you not missing something?
Fergus stepped in and literally saved the club from an unwitting collaboration of Proprietary Maladministration and external Corporate Maliciousness.
If he personally benefited from it, then so did we.
It worked out well for the club, the fans, for Fergus.
Not perfect but we are alive and well. (caveat – the current manager is a dumpling)
Jamesgang there will always be an agenda. It’s part of the institutional sectarianism we face. It’s also why we cow tow to the Hun and help them recover. Celtic have become part of that institutional sectarianism. Why? Because it’s good for business.
neganon
My reservations about Ronny are known, however, having been at Motherwell and Kilmarnock when we’ve lost the league on the final day and at Tannadice when we won it, I know which I’d prefer.
Bigchipsuk(11:40)
So I’ve not to worry because no matter how bad Celtic are we will be ok because Aberdeen won’t keep up their level of consistency.
Heavens above
eddieinkirkmichael @ 10:40
Anyone fancy a game of football? Off to watch East Kilbride in the lowland league at the impressively named K Pax arena.
After watching the Edinburgh Derby on TV, I’m off to watch The Spartans v Whitehill Welfare. My £50 Spartans ST was money well spent considering the lack of CFC Saturday home fixtures.
Then it’s back to the Roseburn Bar for a quiet debate about the Derby with those fans still standing.
Not too shabby for a non Celtic Saturday !
HH
an tearmann
11:07 on 3 January, 2015
Burghbhoy
It is exposed
It did happen
No amount of reviewing, redacting
or writing of history will alter the fact that Davie Murray killed their club
A 9 minute meeting on 14th june ended it.
All else after is about a new club..
Your a good mhan, met you in cq10.
Dont be succd in.the meeja are at their hunskanky best,
We have the rest of time to laugh at the this.history will only reveal more goatedness in time
Hope you and yours had a good ny
;-)
HH
Back to city now
All the best to u and yours bud.
Yes, we know they died but I really want it rubbed in at every opportunity and am Disapointed in our club not doing that.
Dundee UTD and even Livingston have done more .
As for the cheating…. We should pursue that to the ends of the earth
Honestly can’t see what taking an ad out in the herald is going to achieve but all credit for trying something – it’s going to be largely ignored. A day or two after it, after the smsm and the hun have stopped sniggering, it’s business as usual 54 titles usual pish etc. Sorry but it’s cloud cuckoo land if you think any other outcome.
Best plan is tell them to gtf for the Hampden semi. Save your cash or better still stick every penny saved in a charity. Sponsors and Europe wide media can’t ignore that. Can’t understand why a single Tim would want to go tbh
Inter bringing in strikers already (to incude Podolski). They are quick off the mark. Wonder how long it will take Pete to part with some readies.
neganon2
11:51 on 3 January, 2015
Hamiltontim it is a ridiculous statement from delia about it coming down to the wire but it’s only one of a long list of incredulous and silly statements from our manager.
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Au contraire youngster.
Not conceding that there was a theoretical (and actual) possibility that another team could win the league during a season of transition when we’re currently 2nd would have left RD open to accusations of:
Hunnish entitlement
Arrogance
Blindness to the obvious deficiencies in our team.
Blithely unaware of good sustained challenges from decent teams
Asking for a huge slice of hubristic humble pie come May
Being un-Celtic
And I kid you not I would have expected you to have been someone to have made these very points.
So at least I’ve learned something new already today. And I’m not even outta bed yet!
HH jamesgang
Incidentally the game being called off was of course not celtics fault. But playing a game on a Monday night and then going for another wee holiday (cunningly disguised way to play friendlies) is celtics fault. They don’t care about the fans and are surprisingly arrogant and complacent considering how poor we have become.
Gene
Coupon needs to come up just booked holiday with £600 deposit ….
gerrybhoy
12:00 on 3 January, 2015
Inter bringing in strikers already (to incude Podolski). They are quick off the mark. Wonder how long it will take Pete to part with some readies.
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Shut it you! Let uncle Peter alone…
He’s hanging in there to get us Bale……..
Bale O’ Hay!
;-)
HH jamesgang
Ronny wasn’t saying that he wants or expects to win the league on the final day, but that he would rather win it on the final day than not win it. We have to make allowances that the journos are asking loaded and leading questions of a man who is new to the reporting culture of Scottish football and who is still very much learning English, especially with a Scottish twist. And don’t forget that the journos need to get a good controversial story in order to shift their product off the shelves.
After all, how would you cope in similar circumstances being interviewed in Norwegian?!
Neganon2 I know you are excited but please spell our managers name correctly – thanks Pedantic CSC H H Hebcelt
hebcelt
worrying we incident yesterday at Stornoway airport…
Jamesgang I think you misunderstand me. I think there is a great deal to fear about not winning the title (unlike our host it seems). I agree that the assumption we will seems arrogant and complacent.
However for our manager to say this, given the resources he has compared to aberdeen, is quite astonishing, will prop up aberdeen and start to place doubt in the minds of the celtic players.
It’s a stupid statement to make for those reasons but it does demonstrate his own lack of confidence.
The more I look at celtic the more shambolic the situation has become. Some of you are hinting we are doing it to hep scottish football. Nah we are doing it to help the Hun back and of course because we have no ambition to whatsoever.
Peter was worth that extra non contractual bonus eh?
Hamilton Tim
Sutton and Hartson both owe Celtic and its supporters a hell of a lot more than most.
Both careers were on a downward spiral when Celtic gave them long final pay days.
They were extremely well paid at Celtic. A level the club could not actually afford. They lived off Henrik and then showed their true metal when they blew it at Motherwell after a week of fancying about smoking and drinking which I witnessed first hand.
The petulant and pathetic response by Sutton to GS told me more than I needed to know. The same by Sutton when sent off at Ibrox. The guy chucked it.
Hartson us a nice guy but ultimately they could not match Neil or Henrik or Johan or Lubo or GS boots when it comes to caring about Celtic and being a real Celtic legend.
These guys blew it on one if my worst ever days as a Celtic supporter.
Gary67. Where did you get the information that John Guidetti doesnt want to stay with Celtic and can go in January ? or is that just your assumption ? H.H.
Sadly big Chris is in desperate need of his weekly thirty pieces of silver and this is why he allows the cut n paste merchants at the Record to write his anti-Celtic column.
Chris knows the score up here, he got it and now he’s flipped it to his advantage.
We’d all love a treble and for me if you win that, as historically it is difficult to do, it will hardly be ‘unconvincing.’
HH
Hebcelt I dunno about being excited, just frustrated as usual, but I agree my spelling is poor. I blame ipad spellchecker!!
I’ve edited these stats provided by CovertCFC
Go Compare
Gordon Strachan after 18 league matches of first full season: 44 points
CL: out at 2nd round qualifying
Europa League: did not qualify
League Cup: won cup beating Dunfermline
Scottish Cup: beaten in 3rd round by Clyde
Transfers in:
Mark Wilson
Roy Keane
Du Wei
Paul Telfer
Adam Virgo
Shunsuke Nakamura
Maciej Żurawski
Artur Boruc
Mohammed Camara
Total transfer spend: £7.4m
Total transfer income: £0
Neil Lennon after 18 league matches of first full season: 42 points
CL: out at 3rd round qualifying
Europa League: beaten in play off round by Utrecht
League Cup: beaten in final by Rangers
Scottish Cup: won cup beating Motherwell
Transfers in:
Charlie Mulgrew
Cha Du-Ri
Joe Ledley
Daryl Murphy
Efrain Juarez
Gary Hooper
Beram Kayal
Daniel Majstorovic
Emilio Izaguirre
Fraser Forster ( Loan )
Anthony Stokes
Nicky Feely
Olivier Kapo
Freddie Ljungberg
Tony Watt
Kris Commons
Total transfer spend: £10.2m
Total transfer income: £15.9m
Ronny Deila after 18 league matches of first full season: 39 points
CL: out at 3rd round qualifying
Europa League: qualified for group then qualified for round of 32
League Cup: play Sevco semi– final
Scottish Cup: play Dundee Utd in 5th round
Jo Inge Berget (Loan )
Aleksandar Tonev ( Loan )
Jason Denayer ( Loan )
Mubarak Wakaso ( Loan )
John Guidetti (Loan )
Craig Gordon
Stefan Scepovic
Total transfer spend: £2.3m
Total transfer income: £11.5m
BT
Was that a 1% deposit you globetrotter you!??!
;-)
HH jamesgang
joe filippis haircut
12:06 on 3 January, 2015
It was a cut and paste from Etims diary today
Jamesgang
as you know with kids its got to be holiday centre with water park included.
still managed to get mini for free and she is 15 next year.?
So let down and generally annoyed by Sutton and hartson
Neganon 2
It could also be that the club care about trying to raise additional funds as best they can to balance the books and low the club to function and avoid financial problems our old rivals.
Gary67. Thanks for your reply I wonder where they got the information from and if it is accurate ? I suppose like everything else only time will tell.H.H.
On Fields of Green ……whooooooft
titlecoffinWell, well, well. Endgame on, eah?
Or maybe not so much.
Amazing isn’t it?
Change is a funny thing. It can happen suddenly, without warning.
After all this time moping about, and watching as the club slowly bleeds, after telling fans not to buy tickets to “starve out the board” – the strategy that drove the club into the loving arms of Mike Ashley – the flags have been raised, the Sevco fans have their day in the sun and the heroes have ridden to the rescue.
Or have they?
Tonight’s news makes me smile. A group of businessmen have sunk £5 million between them into the football club at Ibrox and bought what the media typically, wrongly that is, have labelled “a controlling interest”.
Now all they need to do is take control. Should be simple enough. They certainly have enough votes to call an EGM, and with time running out they ought to get on with it, right?
Because otherwise they’ve just poured their money down a drain.
This raises a lot of questions. More than I can fit into one article. Like why now?
Why’s King, in particular, jumping in at this point in time, after he has refused to buy shares on three separate occasions, including during two club share issues since 2012?
One would be forgiven for wondering whether this has something to do with the South African government being about to re-examine his case, narrowing his involvement window?
For sure, he can’t sit on the Sevco board of directors, because the rules on that are very, very clear, and Neil Doncaster has gone out of his way to tell us recently that rules are rules for all clubs and will be applied without fear or favour.
Yeah, yeah, yeah. I’ll be returning to him in a day or two.
Tonight’s news means that the majority of the “institutional investors” from 2012 have now cashed in their chips and decided to cut and run. The only surprise is that they didn’t bail sooner. It represents a full-scale repudiation of the notion that the club is a good investment … and that doesn’t change whether “Rangers men” own it or not.
But now there’s a good chance that the Sevco fans are going to get their fondest wish; a club owned and run “by their own”.
As I’ve said before, I cannot think of anything Sevco needs less than being in the hands of the Peepil.
At the moment, without Financial Fair Play, there’s nothing in the rule book to stop Sevco-minded individuals from sinking every penny they have into keeping that club afloat, and going even further and spending every buck they have in the bank on chasing the dream.
As far as pumping up clubs with the good stuff goes, steroid use is still legal in Scottish football, and if Dave King and others want to shoot Sevco up it’s not anyone’s business but their own. We’ve been down this road a time or two before, there’s really no knowing what a fool will do with his money.
Except … none of these guys is a fool.
Latham gave Sevco money in the past, on loan, and got interest with it. King didn’t give £20 million to Rangers; he invested it at a time when he thought he might get a return on the cash. He threatened to sue David Murray after he sold up to Craig Whyte, claiming he’d been “duped” – a familiar excuse in this sorry state of affairs.
Did Douglas Park make his bundle throwing good money after bad?
There are certain realities regarding Sevco that a lot of people still seem unable, or unwilling, to face. The first is that the club is not a money-maker. Their playing squad at the present time is of remarkably poor standard, and although it’s the second biggest wage bill in the land it is not as high as the Rangers teams of old.
Yet even with a full house every week, at full prices, this club would be losing as much as £500,000 per month.
Now, factor in spending increases across the board. Millions to set up, and then run, a scouting network. Millions more on first team salaries. The stadium is in bad shape. Millions more will be needed there if the place isn’t to be condemned.
Bravo to Goldfinger and the Three Bears if they’re willing to spend what it takes to accomplish all that. I know that it’s going to be very interesting watching them try to match fairy-tale and fantasy with reality.
This is what the fans wanted. “Real Rangers men” at the helm.
If this group assumes full control those fans are not going to countenance anything less than what I outlined above.
A board that tells them the club has to “live within its means” will be condemned for it. A board which tries to impose austerity, whilst claiming that they are trying to “restore it to its rightful place” (a three year old club. I’m curious as to what that place is) will be run out of town on a rail. No supporters in Scotland are quite as ungrateful as these. The Easdales have been playing the role of benfactors these last 12 months, and they are hated.
You know, there are doubtless people out there who will see a conspiracy in this. They’ll see King’s move coming on the back of Doncaster’s statement, which itself comes on the back of the SFA’s sudden respect for its own rulebook, they will put two and two together and come up with an answer that will cast a dark shadow on the wall.
I don’t know what to say to those people. It’s hard to argue that something about all this is just not right …
See, to an outside party, it might look as if these people are all acting in concert. Even the SFA’s refusal to entertain any more investment from Mike Ashley looks suspect in light of events since, doesn’t it?
But none of that can be the case, right?
Because otherwise the club is being set up to take another hit, and Doncaster knew this when he spoke out yesterday, to give them a nudge-wink assurance that they can drop the hammer and it’ll be business as usual.
Most of us assumed that anyway … but it means something more, doesn’t it?
It means that things have been going on behind the scenes, that people with no controlling interest in a Scottish football club – with barely a share between them – have been negotiating, in secret, with one or both of the governing bodies, behind the backs of the Sevco board to set up a power grab against them, not to mention springing a con job on the rest of Scottish football.
That would be wrong in so many, many, many ways … from the governing bodies interefering in the politics of a member club’s boardroom, playing power games on behalf of, amongst other people, a convicted tax fraudster …. to conspiring to aid a pump-and-dump which will impact on, amongst others, the commercial interests of a billionaire businessman … none of which, I am fairly certain, is within their remit as an independent body interested only in the well-being of the game … well, Hell …
I mean, Peter Lawwell, the CEO of Celtic, is on that board, along with a number of others … if it was discovered that the SPFL was supporting “regime change” at Ibrox … that directors of clubs were deciding on who got to sit on the board of another … well what then? Even if it was being done without the boards connivance, with Doncaster and a couple of others acting alone …
Can you imagine the consequences of that?
No, neither can I. Armageddon is the closest word I can think of … but it seems insignificant somehow.
I think, in light of that, it’s all the more important that we fortify against such an eventuality by lobbying our clubs hard to knock this “continuation of history” issue on the head once and for all … as well as getting some assurances from the SPFL and the SFA that they have not been unduly poking their noses into the boardroom of one of it’s clubs … because otherwise, mark my words, we’re headed for a bad summer.
If the above was true …
The whole of Scottish football, being played for fools, fans most of all, nothing more than an afterthought as the governing bodies intercede in a matter that is none of their business … to get the desired boardroom outcome that will satisfy The Peepil?
Oh we’d really be through the Looking Glass then.
Black is white and white is black.
Of course, all that assumes that Goldfinger and the Three Bears are also stringing the Sevco fans along too …
Which can’t possibly be the case, can it?
I mean, these guys are Rangers men, aren’t they? They are there to protect the interests of club and fans, not to pull a Craig Whyte switcheroo, right? Therefore, if, say, they acquired control, “looked under the bonnet” (although what they’ll find there that this site and others haven’t been saying for nearly two years I don’t know) and decided the club needs to be liquidated “for its own good” …
Well Sevco fans, surely you wouldn’t swallow that, would you?
Would you?
I know one thing for sure – the guys who have, between them, spent a little over £5 million in shares (a £1 million quid each, for all the Broxi Burgers they can eat) well, they are going to have to spend a lot more to even get through the season, and the fans better hope they have the money, otherwise all their celebrations of this evening – believing in those saviours on white chargers – are going to amount to little more than a wake, and all their hopes to nothing but a prayer for the dying.
Cause … well … you know what the alternative is, right?
Yes, you got it in one. The alternative, is you …. You, dear Sevco fans.
I hope you’ve got deep pockets, I really do.
There’s an old maxim, familiar to con-men; “You can sheer a sheep many times, but skin it only once.”
I guess that’s why they call it “pulling the wool over your eyes.”
Life might be about to get very interesting for you, not to mention expensive.
For the rest of us, we better be on our guard. The chess pieces appear to be in motion.
Who do they think we are? The pawns? Guess again …
A more serious note for me than panto clowns snd media whores like Sutton and Hartson is the fact that my daughters new boyfriend failed the Neil Lennon test on New Year’s Day at dinner.
Themaestro72, get a grip. We have won eight and drawn one of our last ten SPL games, we are still in both domestic cups and still in Europe going into February, and all whilst we are in transition with a new manager. If you want to follow a team that wins almost every game and romps to the title with weeks to spare almost every season, then you probably need to move to Munich. Regrettably, through no fault of their own, Celtic exist in a different universe to that!
Poor old Neganon2 now blaming technology take responsibility for your typing and posting most other posters seem to get his name right. Happy and Prosperous New Year to you and yours,lighten up just a wee bit this year. H H Hebcelt
Hello again all you young rebels.
Not read back so who’s flounced? who’s bounced? who’s been
trounced? and who’s just not coming back?
How about another wee tale from my auld Celtic memory bank
i do go on a bit so quickly scroll by if you don’t fancy reading an
old Celts ramblings.
Now i don’t condone violence in any shape or form but sometimes
you have to understand the reasons that instigate volatile reactions
and it always puzzled me why the police and authorities persist in
an antagonistic and intimidatory confrontation with happy, but maybe
a bit intoxicated, football fans ( particularly Celtic fans ) rather than a
laid back humorous approach, but what do i know?
I know why focus do it, to justify their existence and boost funding
but i’m going back nearly 40 years with this post.
Burnley v Celtic Turf Moor 1978
It was an Anglo Scottish cup tie not exactly champions league but it
stirred the emotions of the Celtic crowd.
Celtic had been on a bit of a roll and racked up some great wins in the
league so an astonishing crowd of between 10.000 – 15.000 was
expected to travel down to Burnley for the game.
Me, big Ed, and wee louie were discussing our travel plans how much
cash we didn’t have and of course supplies for the journey,when the
princess appeared as if by magic.
her ” wer ur you lot goin tae noo ?
me ” down to Burnley darling ”
her ” wers that ?
me ” it’s in England honey pie a big cup tie with the English”
her ” right when will you be back?
the game was on a Tuesday night so a said
” by the time the train gets in it should be early Wednesday morn”
her ” i, but whit month ”
she was never the most literate person but her sarcasm would cut
you to the bone, and think she was still a bit peeved that after we got
married i p*ssed off to hitch hike to Milan with a couple of cans of beans
and corned beef in an old haversack for Celtics big Euro final and
never seen her again for about 3 weeks, so understandable.
We had decided we would take the special train running from Glasgow
a happy boisterous crowd with singing and dancing in all the packed
carriages, some standing, all the way down to Burnley and that would
soon all change.
As we approached the outskirts of the town the train was slowing at
different lights, intersections, etc. and a hail of missiles, bricks , bottles
you name it came crashing through the windows badly injuring lots
of us including women and kids, it was that bad we were holding banners
doubled up over the openings to try and stop frequent attacks all the way
in to the station,and not a cop in sight.
It was a battered bruised and angry Celtic support that came off that train
to be met by a wall of police that kettled (yes they did that then as well ) us
all the way up to the park and anybody who wanted toilets, refreshments
or even first aid were roughly shoved back into line.
Other fans from the busses were forced into our long walk up to the park
and told us they had been attacked as they made their way in and some
lone Ghuys had been tramlined with the mindless morons fav weapon at
the time ( a double bladed stanley knife with a matchstick stuck between
the blades to leave the double lines which were harder to stitch )
There was already mayhem on the terracing when we finally got in to what
i think was called the Longend , a metal picket fence divided both sets of
supporters and nuts, bolts, sharpened washers were all flying in to the
Celtic fans it was obvious the whole violence was planned and prepared
for and all we could see was Celtic fans being hit with those big white batons
about a metre long the cops carried down there at the time and then arrested
for complaining.
So it was no surprise when eventually the bhoys went berserk and the fence
was ripped down and everyone and i mean old guys, women all charged at the
missile throwers some holding the palings like lances, as bullies do the Burnley
fans all jumped the barriers and ran across to the main stand and order was
restored, for a little while.
Now this is where bad decisions come into play, the fans settled down with the
antagonists gone we could watch the game in relative safety but no the cops had
other plans 30 or 40 marched round and lined up along the front of the occupied
terracing with their big white sticks and pointy hats and at the order of the
commander went over the barrier and tried to make arrests, why? it had settled
down and we just wanted to see the game finished.
It was no surprise when a minute later they were all jumping out again minus their
sticks and hats and we had the bizarre sight of Celtic supporters wearing the hats
and waving the batons and of course taunting the cops as all reasoning had gone.
The next bad decision, they brought in the dogs and the heavily armoured riot cops
so what should have been a gala occasion turned into a bloodbath with many people
and policemen badly injured and in my opinion it could all have been avoided with a
little common sense and humour.
As usual the msm had a field day and the Celtic support got it big time but nothing
changes does it?
H.H Mick
Given we’ve already played around 12 games more than the rest of the teams, and given our injury record this season, taking a mini winter break is a good idea. The games are glorified bounce games, and if you look at the line ups in the equivalent games during last winter’s break in Turkey it will be mainly fringe players and youngsters playing in them. Ideally we should be getting a signing or two in before the trip but as we all know we don’t do forward planning just last minute panic.