Yesterday, we were an outlier; having a player harshly red carded by a VAR, then losing five goals away from home in Europe. This morning, not so much. Manchester United only lost the four goals when they went down to 10 men, but they were playing Copenhagen. A truckload of compensatory sentiment accommodated Erik ten Hag as he explained his team’s defeat last night.
Copenhagen’s win was only the fourth in this season’s Champions League from a team outside of the top 5 leagues against a team from that monied group (Feyenoord, Galatasaray and Shakhtar have each won once), nothing from Portugal, Switzerland, Austria or Scotland. The chasm between the haves and have nots is larger than ever.
This stat is unlikely to change in Rome later this month, for Celtic, a win on Match Day Six is important. We need a stake in the ground in this tournament for next season. Beat Feyenoord, learn quickly and move on.
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Shoot
Goal ⚽️ ⚽️ ⚽️
Feyenoord is important. Get the win, get on to 4 points and we’ve got clear progress from last season.
jhkkh
I think we can win in Rome and at Celtic Park, por cierto
POR CIERTO on 9TH NOVEMBER 2023 12:39 PM
“I think we can win in Rome and at Celtic Park, por cierto”
I agree anything is possible though without Maeda and Palma for the next game it will take some magic from Brendan and the team.
QB
i doubt we will win either game.
we are not good enough, we dont carry any luck, we dont get reffed fairly, and different rules are applied.
we are just there to make up the numbers.
that is it.
Timbhoy163 12pm
You will be very welcome. Don’t worry about money.
I would be more confident of a win in Rome if Maeda , Palma and Scales were playing .
Don’t want to sound pedantic but now the Dutch league has replaced the French league in fifth place in UEFA’s coefficients, doesn’t that make Dutch teams from a “big five league” technically speaking?
Markiebhoy (from earlier )
You suggested that Daizen should know that you can’t tackle like that in Europe.
I think it depends on what shirt you’re wearing
https://www.footballscotland.co.uk/spfl/scottish-premiership/baffled-celtic-fans-spot-atletico-28065404
Saint Stivs
Stop winding the hun dafties up Stevie. 😂
GEEBEE1978 on 9TH NOVEMBER 2023 12:48 PM
“Don’t want to sound pedantic”
Why not? Nout wrong with that; especially if you are right – AccuracyOverTactCSC
I’ve always wondered where the measure comes from for “big 5 leagues” – population, co-efficients or league income etc.
QB
In rugby we have the Six Nations Championships and in soccer it could be called the Five Nations Champions Cup. Maeda’s harsh red on Tuesday night had me reflecting on Reo’s elbow to the head and Mat O’Riley’s high boot to the head in the game against Lazio both only got yellows. Funny old game indeed.
SETTING FREE THE BEARS FOR RES. 12 & OSCAR KNOX on 9TH NOVEMBER 2023 12:50 PM
“You suggested that Daizen should know that you can’t tackle like that in Europe.
I think it depends on what shirt you’re wearing
https://www.footballscotland.co.uk/spfl/scottish-premiership/baffled-celtic-fans-spot-atletico-28065404”
The difference there is a straight leg, or lack thereof in the above picture.
In real time I think their foul is actually the worse of the two and more likely to cause injury.
The problem is VAR operators are focusing on a still picture and going off a checklist which includes “studs showing” and “straight leg” rather than using experience from having played.
I still think Maeda tried to block the pass not hit the player and in his efforts to pull out he went over awkwardly and was lucky not to injure himself. Barely a yellow never mind a red.
QB
Paul 67
Agreed. Keep the focus on Europe.
We are not as bad as that performance and result will document.
I have watched Celtic for donkeys years and I have never witnessed such fear and shell shock on our players faces. We were lucky with six.
I never saw it against Barcelona or PSG who were much better teams.when they annihilated us.
I can only surmise we were not physiologically prepared. We knew what was coming. The play acting, the dodgy decisions the partizan home crowd the history of previous encounters.
Did we communicate this properly. Did we have a gameplan for going down to ten ?
I remember we used to. We were very difficult to beat at one time with ten men.
We had a viable contingency plan.
However this is now and we move on.
I must question our world class training facility. We may not produce the skill of Messi but why do our players seem slower, more timid and lightweight?
However our immediate thoughts are for Sunday. Bring our shell shocked players round.
Hail, hail.
I should have added England, Spain, Italy, Germany and France have 20 teams in the CL which gives other nations little or no chance of success in the competition. BUT THE MONEY IS GOOD.
Paul, Feyenoord have won twice. They beat Celtic and Lazio.
Pot 1 UEFA
Pot 2 SKY
Pot 3 OIL
Pot 4 VAR
A pure waste of time for the ‘have nots’
SAINT STIVS on 9TH NOVEMBER 2023 12:43 PM
i doubt we will win either game. we are not good enough, we dont carry any luck, we dont get reffed fairly, and different rules are applied. we are just there to make up the numbers. that is it.
*as the Big Mhan said tae Bob Kelly at his first board meeting on the Thursday night when he asked about Saturday’s team and Jock replied due tae a couple of injuries and a wee cold here and there he couldnae answer that to which Bob replied so you are tellin us tae mind our own business tae which he replied “aye thats abut the size of it”
Any what you have just said is abut the size of it, incidentally forgot tae add in my post about the bonkle bigot, when he was first appointed to the mitb ranks his mentor was bryan mcginley, aye the same mcginley whose da was a mad Tim, must have been a mammy’s boy then,
Quadbhoy
I would agree that neither tackle was a convincing red but the amount of contact and injury risk were similar but they were treated differently. The VAR operator only brought one to the ref’s attention.
I also agree that looking at a still is nonsense. The VAR operator must be looking at the play before the still, so if the ref is being asked to agree with the VAR operator, the ref needs to see the action leading up to the still of the point of contact too.
Anytime a player attempts a block with the foot, there will be studs showing.
The main difference between the 2 tackles was the reaction of the tackled player and his teammates. Refs are supposed to be wary of this but this ref was eager to fall for it.
Hey, big spenders your’e bottom of your group.
BOURNESOUPRECIPE
😂😂
“Stake in the ground…”
Yeah right Paul. No laughing at the back.
We’ll be back, soon enough, in those warm, comforting mid-July, Euro qualifiers, where we get shown our arse by the scandis, and back playing the ‘we don’t budget for ECL, hey look there’s Nir Bitton as a utility CH again’ days….
Still, the height of my ambition at this level is now reduced to a Celtic clean sheet or avoiding being perennially gubbed away from home, or giving us something to cheer post-disco lights.
We are currently a travel destination for the curious football fan, adding to their bucket list but without fear of their team dropping points.
Life in the European slow lane continues…..
HH
Stills prove nothing
https://x.com/rikos67_/status/1721997625182871844?s=48&t=ucZWBmwe1a7eYdxmJtf-qg
Kyogo ‘tackled’
“We need a stake in the ground in this tournament for next season. Beat Feyenoord, learn quickly and move on.”
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For all the talk about how we were “too attacking” we had plenty players back defending when the goals went in. And you would have expected more than one shot (in total!) for a “too attacking” team!
Play a back five or even a back ten but if you are just getting more ball-watchers into your defence then it’s not going to make much of a difference.
We may well beat Feyenoord but we are going to have to do the basics a lot better next season if we want to progress as a team.
Does that mean better players? If so how do we make sure we don’t pull too far ahead of partner club?
Tricky……
Greenpinata @ 1:00
I have watched Celtic for donkeys years and I have never witnessed such fear and shell shock on our players faces. We were lucky with six.
>>>>>
My sentiments exactly after that game – it was bad.
SETTING FREE THE BEARS FOR RES. 12 & OSCAR KNOX on 9TH NOVEMBER 2023 1:16 PM
“The main difference between the 2 tackles was the reaction of the tackled player and his teammates.”
I think the player reactions and the extended stoppage in play to give time to the VAR by their player staying down certainly facilitated the VAR review but if both were reviewed then I think the straight leg is the main difference as to why one would “need” a review by the on field ref and one would not. “Needed” as per the wonky guidelines they work too – not the reality as we saw it.
I’d need to see the clips again to be sure but I think the AM challenge shown above in the still reminded me more of a tackle AJ made early on when we had 11 men, difference being he won the ball but then made contact. I worried at the time that VAR might intervene on that one.
QB
I think in the January transfer window,Celtic need to sign a few quality players with a bit of steel and tall ,to me the vast majority are a bit lightweight ,on a personal note I think Davie Hay would have been a good director of football,he knew what to look at regarding signing players.
“Learn quickly and move on”……
Those words have been uttered for decades about our European performances but we never do.
Only my point of view obviously, but VAR is nothing more than a layer of bureaucracy, nothing more.
Jobs for people who know nothing about nothing. Mark my words, it will ruin the game if it hasn’t done so already. About time the PFA rebelled.
And worse in Scoddland, as we all know who runs it !!!!
KINGLuBo
Good afternoon all from Benidorm.
As Chairbhoy says;
It’s a grand day to be a Tim.
Neustad said
Braw..
GG is Ronnie Docherty.
Garry Duncan
And all the boys of the old brigade
Cosy in for Winter
Thoughts :-
January transfer window. Crucial.
Lennoxtown????
Project plan not compatible with home youth development.
Rotate our squad and optimise and improve fitness and stamina.
Brendan’s call on players, especially after January.
Liel Abada. Support and I still think our potential superstar.
Keep the faith.
What do we want : hot water 🤣🤣🤣
In Brendan we trust.
HH.
Results show that Copenhagen, Galatassary, PSV, Lens, Braga, Salsburg, Feyonoord, Porto and Shaktar have all won games in the Group stages. The draw helps of course, a carefully stage managed affair which prevents some clubs playing others while Celtic are fair game. A cabal by any other name, which does produce a lot of money. That said the new format for 2024-25 might give us more of a chance of making some progress. Oh and another thing, Athletico, good as they as they are haven’t qualified yet, they lose to Feyonoord and Lazio beat us they drop to third place in the group, with a victory for the former at Celtic Park guaranteeing the Dutchmen a place in the next round. Slim Plickens there if that scenario plays out.
And the foxes.. From Anniesland to Dalmuir on the Forth and Clyde
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Stake in the ground, is that a sirloin or a fillet steak
https://x.com/KerryFail/status/1722324499310297426?t=uqoRrOmLqVsZSx9u8AAIDA&s=08
One for the optimists…