I’m a bit confused at the chat this morning of reintroducing the sale of alcohol at football games. Alcohol is available for sale at games at Celtic Park, you just need to have a ticket for an expensive enough seat. If you’re in the cheap seats, you get to queue to pay for some cola. Is people’s ability to pay an indication of their likelihood to behave in a dangerous or criminal way with some alcohol in their blood?
This implication has always troubled me.
Alcohol, wherever it is sold, inevitably leads to over-indulgence and potentially dangerous behaviour, and requires strong stewarding, whether that is at a night club, or in the No. 7 restaurant. Scotland’s licenced premises have changed beyond recognition in recent decades. They are increasingly well-lit, family friendly and safe places to be. They now sell better beer too, but our nation’s problem with alcohol remains acute.
Society needs to be educated on how to use alcohol responsibly; good venues are part of the solution.
While we are on the subject of facilities at Celtic Park……. I go months without buying food or drink in the North Stand, Upper, for good reason. Last week (pestered by one of the boys), I left for the kiosk with 40 minutes on the clock, didn’t get served until the second half started, only to be told there were no hotdogs or pies left.
You know me, I’m not one to get angry at Celtic, but the sheer frustration pushed me over the top, and I didn’t have a drink! If you’re charging circa £4 for something that’s costing less than £1, make sure stock is sufficient. Have two people serving each side of the kiosk, not two on one side, with a single person making hardly a dent on the queue at the other.
Needed to get that off my chest.
The ‘news’ this morning that Rangers International are trying to sack commercial director, Imran Ahmad, is more curious for being news than in itself. Is it even possible for this news to be anything other than a leak from a director against another director? These newspaper people don’t do irony, they just take careful notes and go write up their story.
This whole episode is beginning to feel a bit like sitting out the back when the neighbours don’t realise their bedroom window is open. You can hear the noises and you looked up and caught a glance at something horrific looking. It’s something you’ll laugh about later with your friends but these people really need to acquire some dignity.
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What’s the word ?
Che, scroll on by, don’t let it get to you mate, rise above and beyond.
We’re better than that, and I mean him, not your post.
Let him talk to himself, ( yes you do, we all know you do, and no I’m not a Kojo hater, you’re just racist, bigoted, small minded and boring), and don’t involve yourself with his drivel.
Che
Thanks fur that ,pal..
Ah don’t even need tae try tae Mack a Fool Oot You
You hiv jist .. beat me tae it..
and..
Ye did a Bang up Joab…. if Ah may say so.
Kojo
Still..Laughin
Che
23:34 on
27 April, 2013
hhaahaha
did you think on odd ball was an arsehole.
Kojo, I know what I am. I’m far from perfect but I read & post on this site for one reason and one reason only and that is to share part of my life with the people I love most in this world and thats my fellow Celtic Supporters. Sure I’ve had differences of opinions with some and I get on better with some then with others. However I have never come on here and tried to wind up or upset anybody. You even though you post nonsense are no fool. You know exactly what you are doing, you know your posts are not welcomed by the vast majority on here, you know you are being disruptive yet you continue to churn out your drivel day after day. You obviously enjoy annoying your so called fellow Celts so what does that make you.
I was going to post something insightful and stunning – but cause I’ve been in the pub all day – I’ve totally forgot what I was going to say – hey-ho
Kojo
Red card.
Utter garbage.
Che
23:26 on
27 April, 2013
Brilliant day with the CQN boys good to put names to faces, my apologies to anyone I embarrased in bar 67 my dancing is not what it used to be, in saying that my choice is not too poor.
MWD whatever you need. :-)
Hail hail guys many many thanks for your company
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Excellent day out Che sorry i never made Bar67 to see your dancing technique;) glad to meet your goodself and put faces to a few CQNers for the first time as well
Also happy to report Bobbycurledupwinklepickers has made the train home
Che, cracking night for the Ghirls, lots of friends and dancing, knackered.
Even better they want to go to see the Celtic.
They love dancing, Ballet, but last night Niamh said, I hope Hopper stays, I like Hooper, score goals! Then watching a re-run of the Caley game, she said, is Sammy on yet?
Well brought up kids:-)
Dear Tontine Tim
I stand gratefully corrected. It is amazing how much knowledge that is proffered 23.35 in a Saturday night.
I have looked at CQN tonight – only thing missing is any talk about the game tomorrow.
I hope that we see some of the young and fringe players to see what they can do, This is the perfect chance to see what we have in reserve.
Kojo-
My sides are splitting.
You admit to calling Bobo Balde the aforementioned racist insult and your defence is that it was four years ago?
So that’s okay then people! It was four years back, but now I’m just a lovable, albeit phlegmatic boring racist! So that makes it okay, ahm fine noo, honest!
You realize that you have just made a complete erse of yourself (and your other personalities) with most of the regular posters logged in!?!?
My Dear Kojo….
See Below The Link To The BBC Radio Programme….
That Initially Prompted My Interest In What Was The Real Truth Behind The Joe McCarthy Affair….
A Subject That Seemed Rather Confusing And Arcane….Back In The Days Of The Cold War….
When A Wiz Still An Innocent Teenager…
And I Was Most Surprised To Learn The Truth ….
As I Further Researched This Intriguing Affair…..
And,Of Course ….Senator Joe McCarthy Was NEVER Involved In The Investigation Of Private Citizens….Or Hollywood Figures…
That Was A Completely Separate Senate Committee….Which Had Begun Investigations Into Hollywood….
Fully Two Years Before McCarthy’s Own Congressional Committee …..
Investigated Exclusively Government Administration Figures…….
And Individuals Serving In The Armed Forces….
But It’s Convenient For Our Cultural Marxists……(Hello!)
To Continue To Smear Joe McCarthy…..
By Perpetuating The Myth That He Investigated Poor Wee Hollywood Actors And Directors……
Because If The Reputation Of Joe McCarthy Is Restored…..
It Will Inevitably Cast Light On The Shameful Level Of Soviet Penetration…
At The Very Highest Levels Of The Ruling Democrat Administration….
Back In The 1940s….
Yep….Joe McCarthy…A Self- Made Man,Who Trained As A Lawyer…
And Came From A Dirt Poor irish-German Farming Background…..
Was A Far Better Man Than Any Of His Close Friends….
The Kennedy Brothers…And Their Father,Joe…
More Surprising That The Leftie BBC Would Even Commission Such A Programme….
Never Mind Having Militant Trotskyist Present It…..
‘David Aaronovitch Thinks The Unthinkable About Joe McCarthy’…samizdata..
http://www.samizdata.net/20/10/07/david-aaronovit/
Oh….And Wee Rascar’s Film That Prompted The Whole Conflab….
‘ Guilty By Suspicion’ (1991) Robert De Niro / Annette Bening….**
Reported in the BZ.”Referee Martin Wekesa is seeking USD240K damages from the Kenyan FA after he he was assaulted by a trainer who grabbed him by the family jewels after he dismissed a player and that he can longer have sex.. The ref had to be rescued by police and taken to hospital. Wekesa’s wife said the assault has changed their lives.”” Scottish referees are only blind.
dexter
Then you must think NFL is a fraud, he has told Celtic players for 2 seasons it does not get any better.
Doc
Whit up.. wi you?
after reading yer ultimate posting tae little auld Me…
Ah must Point this oot tae awe and sundry..
BY Definition,pal..
YOU ARE THE BIGOT…no me…~
Why.. Ah am the Soul of Tolerance..and Ah a fully paid up.
Laissez- Fairer..
Oan the ither Haun..
You sir..
are a fully paid up .. Intolerant.. Bigot…
Kojo
Still… Laughin’.
A bit of Gerry…
http://m.youtube.com/watch?feature=related&v=I8UHCqvuUqY
Paul67
I defer you to your earlier conversation with TBJ
The post by blogger Kojo @23.36 is in my opinion racist it is not in the spirit of the blog it us not in the spirit if FBs beliefs of Glasgow Celtic FC
TET
Kojo is an arse hole, I know it you know it the majority of the blog knows it, having chatted to some 40 yes Forty bloggers today Kojo the vast majority are willing to meet you on your home turf wherever that may be and have a chat.
corkcelt
kudos to your 95 memories.
us scotland celtis supporters have it easy.
keep it lit
It’s no that easy to scroll on by.
I would wager nearly everyone on here reads the pish that is posted.
He, they, them, it traduces quality posters on a daily basis, so scrolling by is not an option in reality.
I know fine well we are dealing with a separate reality cos it’s a blog, but, ffs, I agree that the referee should step in.
Losing quality posters can only harm the blog.
Che – that was dancing??? :-)
Great day/night with the grey brigade! BMCUWP thanks for arranging
Kojo, yawn.
Kojo
You have abused the right of free speech.
You have got to go.
weet weet weet/tontine Tim
The Seekers guy K Potger who founded the NS left after one single
The two dames Eve Graham and Lyn Paul shared the lead vocals – can recall EG sang the Coke advert I’d Like to Teach the World to Sing and LP sang You won’t Find another Fool Like Me
Squire-ess ruefully and frequently remarks that the latter was the first single she ever bought with her own money…….little did she know
On a side note I see the multi-named egocentric poster is causing more carnage.
I only know because of noticing other people’s comments.
Ignore.
Kilbowie Kelt – hope you are well and being lucky m8
My wee gold mine came to an abrupt deadend, what was easy money at 8/11 and 4/6 rapidly dried up to 1/2 and 4/9, last fitba bet was tottenham bursting a nice line wi the 2-2 1st leg draw v Basle
Only bet horses at Cheltenham and Liverpool, next anticipated betting activity the return of th NFL in September, Squireen now on her mother’s car insurance which is due soon…..
googybhoy ♥ celtic
23:06 on 27 April, 2013
Not many answers from Kojo to my post above.
Waste of time.
How care you Tontine Tim?
All good ?
Was up the road a few weeks ago for the Aberdeen match.
Got few pics of the Loch to send you.
Saint Stivs
Was your mate convinced then ?
95 cup final.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tNchOPtWY5c
Blondie on BBC 4.
Minx
That was cruel,
I’m off to bed now before I tell that I prick Kojo what I really think of him and his alter ego
Free TBJ 1
Just back in from the jiggin.
Not looked back apart from this page.
I see the poor wee bigot and his alter ego(s) still having a pure wee huffy breakdown.
He he he.
Sad and pathetic, and soooooooooooooo predictable.
“Am no him and he’s no me”
“Aye thats right I pure dead agree wae maself, so ah dae”
“How can yeh accuse me of being a bigot for calling wan ay them a nignog, Ah call them awe nognogs, ah hate them awe – I dont differentiate between them – how is that bigoted”
“Thats pure right, a think the same, and am no the same person, honest am no, and I can get myself tae attest tae that, as I’m actually ma brother, and hes ma cousin”.
He he he.
Anyway, off oooooooooooooooooooooot.
THE EXILED TIM
23:51 on
27 April, 2013
Saint Stivs
Was your mate convinced then ?
————————
aye, sorry didnt reply other day.
its a brilliant construction. pictures of progress were excellent, ta
For those who use Ellipsos. It is common knowledge & widely acknowledged, for those that use more than 3…
That you are a …
Use it correctly…
67 Club is Closing Down (maybe)
I got a letter in Friday from Celtic Park regarding my seat in the 67 Club (Jock Stein Lower / Kerrydale Suite):
“…the forthcoming season will see significant changes within the Corporate and Premium areas at Celtic Park this includes investment, and possible relocations.
As a 67 Club member we value your commitment to the Club and would like to discuss these changes with you in person…make an appointment to come into Celtic Park…”
I called yesterday to ask what was happening and was told that: “the 67 Club is closing down for financial reasons and would be even quieter next season because the Celtic Rewards deal with MBNA would no longer be in place; therefore we will relocate you to the North Stand, similar seat but near the half way line.”
I told the sales assistant that I wanted to remain in my seat: if I wanted a seat in North Stand I would have bought one in that area as there are plenty of free seats.
Would my existing seat now become a standard adult seat?
“Yes, I think so, maybe…”
Would the seat be getting changed out from a padded one to a hard plastic one?
“No, they’ll be keeping the padded seat”
So, it’s not a standard adult then… What about the Kerrydale Suite is that going to be closed completely?
“I don’t know it‘s up to the catering division they’re in discussions with..(trailed off). It will be open on Champions League nights.”
So, we – 200 corporate season ticket holders – in the 67 Club are getting turfed out to make way for an open bar?
“Maybe, it’s not finalised yet. It’s got a capacity of 500; so we’re not making enough money from it.”
So what is finalised? All I’ve been told is that I’m losing my seat; you want to move my seat to the North Stand, which is unacceptable, but have no information to give me regarding other options.
“Well it is maybe shutting, I don’t know for definite; but you could move to the new Café 88 in the south stand, that’s an option.”
So it might not be closing then? I want to remain in the seat I’m in.
“Eh, you’ll need to discuss that with someone else, they aren’t in today, and I’ll pass your concerns on to them to call you soon.”
Does anyone else have to deal with this “possible relocation”?
Surprised that so many of you react to the guy. He’s clearly out to wind folks up and he does just that.
Thing is
– it’s the same buttons he presses (nig-nog ?)
– same traps he sets. Corkcelt you’ll have seen his definition of a bigot before ?
Gordon64, I turn it over and it’s the Specials! Good music, but not as good looking.
googybhoy ♥ Celtic
23:51 on 27 April, 2013
googybhoy ♥ celtic
23:06 on 27 April, 2013
How care you Tontine Tim?
All good ?
Was up the road a few weeks ago for the Aberdeen match.
Got few pics of the Loch to send you.
*good, weather has brightened up, birds singing and garden awaits me.
Granddaughter got accepted for Uni and oldest grandson has a lemon curd.
Any of you seen The Following on Sky?
The main character gathers a cult that enjoy killing people.
They talk in the words of Edgar Alan Poe.
Sounds like
the singing detective demands the resignation of campbell ogilvie
Following Kojo
Anyone explain who/what Kojo is or is about….. Wind up? Racist? Wombat?
Fantastic article from The Observer today on German football, £100 season tickets and references to fan power winning games are not unconnected.
German football reacts to the famous triumphs without triumphalism
Raphael Honigstein
The Observer, Saturday 27 April 2013 19.30 BST
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Borussia Dortmund fans will be hoping their star striker Robert Lewandowski will not be saying goodbye any time soon. Photograph: John Macdougall/AFP/Getty Images
Unlike in the rest of Europe, there was surprisingly little appetite in Germany to proclaim a “power shift” after the astonishing defeats of Barcelona and Real Madrid in the Champions League semi-final first legs.
Spiegel Online caught the prevailing mood well when it warned that “Germany isn’t Spain yet, not by a long way”, citing the Bundesliga’s considerable points gap behind La Liga in the Uefa coefficient rankings (the Premier League is sandwiched between both leagues in second spot), the Spanish national team’s recent trophy haul and the “extreme” nature of the two matches last week as reasons for caution: “Lionel Messi, the best footballer in the world, looked like the saddest footballer in the world”, while “Robert Lewandowski [the Borussia Dortmund striker] put in a performance that cried out for the invention of new superlatives.”
At the same time, there was a kind of quiet, almost unspoken kind of satisfaction that on 25 May at Wembley, a German team looks set to lift the first international trophy since Bayern Munich won the European Cup in 2001. An all-German final would serve as proof that the Bundesliga (DFL) has at last caught up with Joachim Löw’s national team, whose ascent back to the apex of World football has happened more quickly because of the less important role of finances in comparison with club football. More crucially, it would also go some way to validate the league’s quaint business model: clubs owned and controlled by their members, run profitably.
Granted, the reality is not quite as lovely as the DFL prospectus makes out. In Wolfsburg and Bayer Leverkusen, there are two clubs who are wholly owned by their parent companies, Volkswagen and Bayer Pharmaceuticals, respectively. And TSG Hoffenheim 1899, a fourth division village club who have shot up to the top flight thanks to the multimillion-euro investments of a local billionaire, are a “sugar daddy” club in all but name. Yet these are the exceptions, not the norm. For all their international aspirations and sophisticated corporate structures – they are set up as publicly-listed companies, with the members owning the majority of shares – both Bayern and Dortmund have remained rooted firmly in their local communities, sensitive to their core audience’s desires and needs.
The biggest controversy in Munich before news of president Uli Hoeness’s tax troubles broke centred around the demands of the most loyal of fans from the Südkurve standing to get a higher ticket allocation for Champions League matches, when the Allianz Arena is converted to an all-seater stadium. These fans pay €120 (£101) for a season ticket, or the equivalent of €7.05 per Bundesliga game. “We could charge them double or triple,” Hoeness told the Observer in 2010. “But we know that’s a lot of money for people, and that it would make them think twice whether they could afford it. For Bayern, it would only be a few extra more million. The kind of money that changes hands in a transfer negotiation in five minutes.”
Last week in Dortmund, the “Kein Zwanni” fan initiative convinced Borussia to reduce the ticket prices for away fans, in the hope that other clubs will reciprocate. “It’s unacceptable that our fans travel 400km to Stuttgart and then pay €60,” said the CEO Hans-Joachim Watzke. The most expensive standing ticket in the current season was €23 incidentally, for Bayern fans at Nürnberg. Dortmund, too, will lose out on a few millions of revenue next season thanks to the new tariffs. But keeping ticket prices low makes good business sense in other respects. Affordability serves as a bar to obsolescence and gentrification in the stands, it keeps the stadiums loud and hostile. “Without this atmosphere, this game would not have been possible tonight,” Jürgen Klopp said after the pulsating Westfalenstadion had urged his men on to the thrilling win over Real Madrid. He was being genuine.
Wembley’s probable finalists have won the past four German championships between them. Financially, however, they are not on the same page – another fact that explains why no one in Germany is ready to herald a new dawn of Bundesliga domination. Dortmund are almost accidentally brilliant this season, total outliers in relation to their resources.
After “living the dream”-style spending in the wake of a successful IPO in October, they found themselves nearly insolvent in 2005. (Bayern actually loaned them €2m when Borussia couldn’t pay their players in February 2004). It’s been a long, hard road back into the black for them. Their record turnover of €215m for 2011-12 was dwarfed by Bayern’s €373m in the same season, and is barely enough to squeeze into the top 10 of Europe’s wealthiest clubs. Wages are at around a third of what Bayern offer, which explains why they are vulnerable to losing their best players to their rivals. The Bavarians put noses out of joint by poaching prodigy Mario Götze – the 20-year-old had a release clause – this month and have lined up a deal for Lewandowski, as well. “I’m afraid we will have a Scottish situation in this league soon,” Klopp warned 10 days ago. His club will do well to remain competitive after another round of blood-letting this summer.
Bayern have no such worries. Germany’s Manchester United – they have won 22 titles in 50 Bundesliga seasons – reel in staggeringly lucrative commercial and sponsorship deals from German blue-chip companies, two of which (Audi and Adidas) are also minority share-holders. Only Real Madrid (€512m), Barcelona (€483m) and United (€396m) made more money in 2011-12, according to the Deloitte Money League. In other words, it should not come as a surprise that they are regulars in the latter stages of the Champions League.
Like the rest of the league, Bayern have also benefitted greatly from Germany’s youth development system. Over-hauled at a high cost after disastrous results at the turn of the century, it now churns out ever more technically proficient talents. The steady supply keeps costs down; in the Bundesliga, indigenous players don’t come with the kind of premium that is attached to English players in the Premier League. Bayern and Borussia had 13 natives in total in their starting XIs last week, as many as the four English clubs combined fielded in their respective last Champions League matches. The availability of highly-trained, relatively cheap locals have in turn enabled the Bundesliga clubs to seek out better, more special foreigners that can really make the difference at this level.
Unless Bundesliga regulations are relaxed to allow more outside investment, it will take the best part of a decade for other German clubs to get anywhere near Bayern’s level. “The deficit cannot be made up,” said Watzke. Therefore, there will be no wholesale domination of European football, even if Uefa’s financial fair play regulations will bite. Good governance, profitability and the continued production of good players should at least allow the Bundesliga to close the qualitative gap to their wealthier foreign competitors a little, however.
In the meantime, there will be relief, rather than triumphalism, that football “made in Germany” has once again become an attractive proposition beyond the folkloristic fun of beer, sausages and terraces in the grounds – and that it has made it to Wembley without any shortcuts via Russia or Abu Dhabi.