Building relationships downstream

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One of the great tactics of a successful player trading model is to move on those who don’t fit into your plans at a profit.  This is easy for top clubs in England, who hoard talent from an early age, loan players out somewhere downstream (at a decent fee) before eventually selling them on.

This is more difficult for Celtic.  If a player isn’t cutting it at the Scottish Premiership, where can we find a potentially lucrative market downstream from us?

Mikey Johnston (24) is three appearances into his loan at West Brom, who are in the English Championship playoff places.  He opened the scoring against midtable Cardiff on Tuesday and is already attracting positive reviews.

West Brom are still dealing with the consequences of relegation from the Premiership three years ago and haven’t spent a pound on a permanent signing this season.  They are likely to remain in the playoffs until the end of the season and they are also being pursued by a new potential owner.  Either scenario could lead to a significant spend this coming summer.

Even if West Brom don’t escape their ligature, others in the Championship will be flush with funds this summer.  This is our ‘downstream’.  If Mikey can thrive there, others will too.  Small clubs try to solicit relationships with larger outfits.  Building relationships with smaller clubs in a wealthier league, like the Championship, can work work for Celtic.

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  1. Back to Basics - Glass Half Full on

    BTW – good luck Galatasaray tonight.

     

     

    Home and away wins against Sparta Prague will do us nicely.

     

     

    As will Sevco progressing to the next round when their time comes in a few weeks.

  2. CELTIC MAC on 15TH FEBRUARY 2024 4:38 PM

     

     

    The SFA, and it has to be said the Clubs are an absolute disgrace in this matter. Let us hope against hope that there is positive response by Clare Haughey. If it was down to me the SFA would have seen its’ last penny of public money.

     

     

    *and there lies the problem, now I have often wrote about how then world champion Renton in March 1890 wrote to thirteen other clubs inviting them to discuss the organisation of a professional league, all of the clubs accepted the invitation, except Queen’s Park and Clyde.

     

     

    The former Queen’s Park, was the oldest organised club in Scotland at the time and had played a key role in the development of football, so being amateur was opposed to the league because it would lead to professionalism and eliminate many of the smaller clubs, which it did, the Bully Wee would join the following season, one exception at the time was Hibs as they had went out of the game due tae one of their committee absconding with their funds which is how we managed tae sign some of their out of contract players, we NEVER stole them no matter what the kid on Irish club say.

     

     

    So, when we at Renton’s request assisted them in the formation of the SPL we couldnae just walk away as the SFA was now a member of the newly formed in 1886 International Football Association Board (IFAB) and as such allowed them tae keep their Cup and the national side but the biggest mistake they made was also allowing them the players registration and mitb’s.

  3. 13 VAR errors conceded

     

     

    Huns 1st penalty against them in 2 years,shouldn’t have been given quel surprise

     

     

    AJ handball, yes the ‘penalty ‘ that’s still on the telly twice a week, should have been referred…..but offside would have been given……..I’m sure the huns will apologise to Willie Collum……

  4. bournesouprecipe on

    Bada

     

     

    Indeed,

     

     

    SMSM were specifically and publicly given the ruling on the non penalty from day one shortly after the original Sevco statement. Everyone understood the decision

     

     

    However every news portal bar none, patched the official explanation and carried forward for at least a week with Sevco’s alleged ‘grievance’ in the full knowledge there wasn’t one. They created controversy which stands them in good stead for the next Goldson handball or foul, and see where we are now.

     

     

    Any club in Scotland can make spurious claims but they’re not all likely to be ‘news’ .

  5. BSR- The ‘penalty ‘ was on BBC Reporting Scotland on 2 different nights last week, rancid organisation

  6. SAINT STIVS on 15TH FEBRUARY 2024 5:00 PM

     

     

     

    Ps. Which club had the first dugouts ?

     

     

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    Aberdeen

  7. well done rtb.

     

     

    Donald Colman is pictured in the lead image above.

     

     

    Whilst at Dumbarton he spent his summers in Norway coaching the team SK Brann of Bergen, where he saw Scandinavian managers huddling for shelter while trying to get near the pitch to shout instructions to their teams. Colman had an idea. Why wouldn’t a covered area be built so that managers were close enough to be heard by their players without sacrificing the shelter of a stand? Colman set forth to devise this idea – a sheltered area, set below pitch level which allowed him to observe his players’ feet as they played. An ever-lasting piece of football fabric was born. The Dugout had arrived.

     

    When Colman became trainer-coach at Aberdeen under manager Paddy Travers in 1931 it followed that Pittodrie would be the first stadium in the history of football to install dugouts. It was from that innovative position that their next manager, Dave Halliday, improved Aberdeen to the point they won their first ever Scottish Cup in 1947 and their first Scottish title in 1955.

     

     

    https://www.scottishfootballmuseum.org.uk/news/the-scot-who-invented-the-dugout/#:~:text=When%20Colman%20became%20trainer%2Dcoach,of%20football%20to%20install%20dugouts.

  8. Brilliant story about dugouts! And you’re right Saint Stivs there were plenty of bawling managers around too.

  9. lets all do the huddle on

    Pontins being racist basturtz

     

     

    https://www.irishnews.com/news/northern-ireland/here-are-all-of-the-irish-names-on-the-pontins-blacklist-HIPWGGTJOJFH5AVB4C6D2BIJ6I/

     

     

    HH

     

     

     

    read that earlier.

     

     

    in amongst that news was a link to a story from december saying that Pontins were shutting their Prestatyn gaff in north wales.

     

     

    was there a few times when i was a bhoy.

     

     

    top place.

     

     

    i honed my pool, snooker and puggy playing abilities there.

     

     

    Up the BlueCoats 😋

  10. Apologies , haven’t read back- was in a 2 hour interview: and then i let them speak

     

     

    Mikey Johnston is a master or the two game impact. That’s why he said himself he had to go

     

     

    David Turnbull will not get to the euros. He will end up back in Scotland next year at Motherwell on loan

     

     

    I heard that Abada is off to US for 6m. If true that is sad. Good talent but not the fibre of s McLean

  11. tontine tim

     

     

    Your efforts re the early history of the game are always greatly appreciated. As are your own critiques of the SFA and its’ resident in house refereeing cabal, our main rivals best hope of winning the league this season. There was a demonstration outside BAE systems in Glasgow today in support of Palestinians, more specifically against BAE’s role in supplying Israel with military related materiel, something the Dutch courts have ordered their government to stop doing re F35s. Anyways the protest in Govan reminded me of the action of workers at the Rolls Royce factory in East Kilbride, re refits of fighter jet RR engines used by the Chilean airforce in the Pinochet led Coup in 1973. The subject of the recent ‘Nae Pasaran’ documentary, and a campaign which never really ended. The reaction of the SFA? To play Chile in the National Stadium in Santiago in 1977, the same venue used as a prison camp where opponents of the new regime were tortured and murdered in their thousands. That same blood soaked pitch. Our SFA, never far from disgrace.

  12. Tontine Tim

     

    Just seen that Donald Colman who invented the dugout was from Renton. He was born around the time you were referring to, at the inception of the scottish league

  13. RIMTIMTIM on 15TH FEBRUARY 2024 6:44 PM

     

    Tontine Tim

     

     

    Just seen that Donald Colman who invented the dugout was from Renton. He was born around the time you were referring to, at the inception of the scottish league

     

     

    *I actually knew that but didnae know that Colman was his granny’s name while his real one was Cunningham, lots of bot name still prominent in Dumbarton and the Vale of Leven.

  14. Superbru Round 25 update

     

     

    We have a new winner!

     

     

    And- no it’s not Sevco. Again.

     

     

    With 9 matches in this game week there was always a chance that Bada Bing’s 15 points from a few weeks back would be beaten. As it turned out, 6 punters beat that mark and two more equalled it. Our top 3 were:-

     

     

    1. Hutchbhoy- 17 pts- our new frontrunner for the top weekly prize

     

    2= Billy Bhoy- 16.5 pts

     

    2= Nawlite- 16.5 pts

     

     

    ACGR, Bateen Bhoy and Hamiton Tim all broke Bada’s total but fell short of top 3 while fitbabhoy & Call me Gerry equalled Bada’s 15 pts.

     

     

    In a week with a lot of high scoring, it takes a certain talent to avoid the predictable scores. Coming top of the blindfolded dart throwers this week are:-

     

     

    Scaniel-0 pts- To be fair, he only managed to get 3 predictions in- So welcome back with a wooden spoon

     

    Partizan- 1.5 pts- on the basis of only 2 predictions made- not really so bad

     

    Bada Bing- 3.5 pts- This is a real achievement as Bada predicted all 9 games & lost his weekly prize in a blaze of ignominy.

     

     

    This leaves the overall picture as:-

     

     

    1. Leggy- 163.5

     

    2. BC Milan- 161.5

     

    3. Billy Bhoy- 159

     

     

    These three are establishing a wee gap to a 4th place with 152 pts. but people are making moves up and down of over 10 places so there’s still 13 weeks worth of matches worth of points to fight for.

     

     

    Perhaps, out of the picture are:-

     

     

    Friesdorfer- 78 pts- out of the wall on which the picture hangs

     

    Partizan- 79.5 pts- out of the frame that holds the picture

     

    Cosy Corner Bhoy- 88 pts- in the corner of the picture

     

     

    The deadline for Round 26 is Saturday 17th at 3pm when we have 5 of this weekend’s 6 matches. You would need an exact score on all 6 to surpass Hutchbhoy’s total but you can still move up the ladder of the league.

     

     

    Thanks again for your support.

  15. were Celtic the first club to offer free sanitary products for female fans – some google says it us ; some google say it was Brighton?

  16. Deffo us on the fanny pads/tampons. My daughter made a bit fuss at the time as she heard it on young people computernetphoneting

  17. Did anyone notice that Ange didn’t play Abada from the start in 2022/23?

     

     

    Maybe we are making too much about his offence due to our politics

     

     

    If he is gone, i’m not fussed but disappointed due to his potential

  18. BACK TO BASICS – GLASS HALF FULL on 15TH FEBRUARY 2024 5:23 PM

     

    BTW – good luck Galatasaray tonight.

     

     

     

    Home and away wins against Sparta Prague will do us nicely….

     

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    Does that benefit us, regarding coefficient?

  19. tontine tim

     

     

    Don’t know if you will see it over there but there is another Beeb Scotland football doc. ‘Bringing Football Home’ with Dougray Scott ostensibly about how the Scots invented football, which of course we did. Tends to focus too much on the Scotland – England part of the story, rather than the clubs, but does give King James IV and Mary Queen of Scots a mention to be fair, though thankfully not Flodden Fields in 1513. Bad away defeat.

     

    Not so much on the role of the likes of Jonny Madden etc which yourself, TBB and other guy who used to write on here, Lawyer, have told us so much about. Not to worry. Nice little piece about Rose Reilly though, who a Celtic scout spotted playin for a boys team, and scoring eight goals. Didn’t know she had been banned sine die by the SFA back in the 1970s for the cardinal sin (not the guy in the Phillipines) of playing for er Scotland against England. Ended up playing in and for Italy. Well done her!

  20. jackiemac

     

     

    Similar format to that mini series, which was a three parter on the influence of Scots and Irish players on the English game, Arsenal, Leeds, Manchester Utd, Liverpool etc. Still worth a watch, and Dougrey Scott an amenable host.

     

    Best of course was the one Hugh MacIlvaney made years back on Stein, Busby and Shankly.

     

    Good one on the Lisbon Lions too! Very emotional.

  21. aye read about it celtic mac, i like dougray scott but he is a hibbee so mibbees like the rest of them no that fond of us

  22. Back to Basics - Glass Half Full on

    Ziggydoc1 – cheers.

     

     

    Yes, Czech Republic coefficient close to Scotland and getting closer.

     

     

    We need their three remaining teams papped oot ….

     

     

    … plus we could do with Sevco picking up some more points and play an extra round.

  23. JACKIEMAC,

     

     

    Planxty – one of my all time favourite bands. I saw them first in 73 or 74 in Candleriggs.

     

     

    HH

  24. tontine tim

     

     

    Maybe you are focussing too much on the relationship between Celtic and Hibs after we were formed.

     

    Read up on Liam Kelly’s work (The Celtic Wiki) on ‘Hibernian FC in the Foundation & History of Celtic’ and in particular “Celtic’s Complicated Relationship with Hibernian (Parts I and Part II)” which covers years before we were actually founded. And HIbs part in it. Conclusion – No Hibs – No Celtic

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