Charles Green, like Whyte and Duff & Phelps before him, is asking for admittance to the SPL on the basis that Rangers FC is a distinct entity from its legal identity. While this theory has been strongly advocated by SPL chief executive, Neil Doncaster, by necessity, if you claim the football benefits of being ‘Rangers’, specifically player registrations, you also inherit Rangers penalties.
Although Rangers clearly won their challenge to Lord Carloway’s 12-month ban on player registration at the Court of Session last month when Lord Glennie referred the matter back to the SFA Appellate Panel, as the full ramification of the decision became clear to Green, who then had an irrevocable contract to buy Rangers or its assets, he floated the idea that he might appeal.
The SFA, correctly, decided not to instruct the Appellate Panel until the 21 day period when an appeal can be raised, which elapses today, has passed, just in case Green tells Lord Glennie he’s got it all wrong.
All this has been terribly confusing, not to mention expensive, for Scottish football, but with yesterday’s news that Rangers have a prima facie case to answer for subverting Scottish football for over a decade, the obstacles before Green are clearly insurmountable. There is reason to believe we can quickly reach some clarity.
The SFA must, without delay, convene the Appellate Panel to consider Lord Glennie’s instructions and apply an appropriate penalty on the various legal and ethereal bodies which claim to be ‘Rangers’. If the Appellate Panel suspend or expel what is left of the football club from the SFA, as must surely be expected, all questions about fan pressure, morals and votes become moot.
In this case, history will record the folly of Green’s appeal to civil law as the act which finally killed off any chance of ‘Rangers’ surviving, conveniently letting the SPL off the hook, while Green would be obliged to dispose of the stadium for a modest return to those capable of forming a genuinely new football club at some point in the future.
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When you think about their full list of dodgieness, it is incedible to think that there will be a vote at all. I don’t believe that there is anywhere else in the world where the very idea of Sevco entering the top league, would not have been laughed at.
Moonbeams WD. Kano 1000 \o/ Supporting Neil Lennon 100%. Champions. C’mon Wee Oscar. on 20 June, 2012 at 08:53 said:
Given that they must adhere strictly to the rules and punishments as stated then a punishment cannot be suspended.
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Could the suspension be back-dated to season 2011/2012 since this is the season in which the offences under consideration took place? – this would lead to relegation of RFC(IL) and save Dunfermline -it could also financially help all the other SPL clubs if the prize-money hasn’t already been allocated and spent
VertWolf
As I said on RTC, why would you renew your Season Ticketus if you were a Rangers fan?
Money down the drain. Think of the cost!
The pricing is based on SPL football, Celtic games and European Football.
Instead for the same money it will be home games against Elgin, only the hope of a cup tie against Celtic and the only European Football they will be watching will be on the TV
I agree with our SA planning for selective Bhoycott since a YES vote would be on financial grounds only, and sporting integrity will have been discarded, when it should be the only consideration here….
Someone has to ‘take a stand’ in this situation…..
green may have had no contact with the players or the spfa, but super ally was up visiting the spfa offices in woodside place last wednesday. perhaps he was finding out about how TUPE really operates, as Green clearly has no idea
Good morning from a sunny Barcelona!
I got great odds on France to win the Euros and Benzema to finish top goal scorer. Not looking very likely…
We expecting any breaking news today?
MWD
Yeah: I noticed that from Grant … never mind the question about whether a suspended sentence would be proportionate to the offence(s), does the proscribed list of sanctions available to Lord Carloway and co’s include an option to suspend any chosen sentence?
Maybe someone on here with access to the tribunal’s guidance can advise …
FF
Wednesday’s Scottish gossip from the BBC:
Walter Smith has walked away from Rangers for the last time after reluctantly abandoning an 11th-hour bid to take over the club after chief executive Charles Green’s consortium refused to sell to a group led by the former team manager. (Daily Record/the Sun)
Celtic Supporters Association will vote on Sunday whether to call a boycott on clubs who vote for a “newco” Rangers to be admitted to the Scottish Premier League. (Daily Express)
Two-thirds of football fans believe Rangers should be thrown out of the Scottish Premier League and the passion of supporters of other clubs could force their chairmen to vote against the Ibrox club being admitted now that they are owned by a new company. (Daily Record)
Celtic are in pole position to sign Tranmere Rovers full-back Danny Holmes with rivals Rangers facing a transfer embargo and Liverpool having sacked manager Kenny Dalglish. (Daily Record, the Sun)
Goalkeeper Fraser Forster, who has been on loan with Celtic for two seasons, has told manager Neil Lennon that he is ready to sign a permanent deal, a £2m transfer fee having already been agreed with Newcastle United. (Daily Express)
Celtic missed out on signing central defender Matt Mills from Leicester City after Bolton Wanderers matched the Scottish champions’ offer of a 12-month loan with a view to a permanent transfer. (Daily Record)
‘Herald Sport also understands that no Rangers players have received any contact from Green, even although the club is duty bound to set a date for the transfer of their contracts’
Those players are due ‘back’ for pre season training a week tomorrow
An interesting week lies ahead
Suspended sentences wont work. It took 20yrs, and internet bampots, to find the huns out for cheating. Suspend a sentence, to be called in if further cheating occurs, would be pointless if it takes another 20yrs to uncover any further cheating. Hardly a deterent.
When you put a tomato in a blender and push ‘Start’ it’s no longer a tomato. It’s liquidised. Gone. Pulp.
Same with huns. They’re pulp. And all this ‘suspended sentence’ chat is fiction.
Tarrantino could make a movie about this.
School trousers and Culter football top. Looks daft but Club rules. Better if they were allowed to wear strips IMO
Cheers
M
I find Jimmy Carr about as funny as Alan Carr,but obviously not everyone feels the same way.
After all,if he can shelter £3.3m a year then he must be selling a l-o-t of videos.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/celebritynews/9343267/Taxman-to-challenge-loophole-that-shelters-millions-for-Jimmy-Carr.html
This type of tax-management-simply because it hasn’t been explicitly banned it must be ok-should move out of the realm of “We disagree with you,cough up” to “You knew fine well it was not legal,cough up and enjoy you spell in the nick”
Immoral,greedy b……s,the lot of them. Anyone would think they were short of a few bob in the first place.
There should be no reason for the SFA Appellate Tribunal to delay pronouncement of their alternative punitive measures against Rangers.
There can morally only be one proper judgement and that is suspension from the SFA for at least 1 year.
What other punishment can they impose that is at least as weighty as a one year transfer embargo?
Suspension from the Scottish Cup? No, I don’t think so.
I hope they do the right thing. Suspend them from the SFA. This is the rightful thing to do and it takes the pressure off of the July SPL clubs meeting.
My only concern is that if such a scenario was to unfold, the SPL clubs in the majority, would vote them in as a newco on the basis that they will not be there for at least a year.
Ignore last post should have been a text…could have been worse
Can’t do 2 things at once!
KJam on 20 June, 2012 at 09:15 said:
Thanks for that. Danny Holmes, eh? Never heard of him…
I was wondering what had happened with Matt Mills. And I’ll believe that we have a goalie when I see it.
ohh dear WHY do all these TAXDODGERSFC APOLOGISTS always have a BUT in their stories ,but sky will pull out WRONG,but we are the peeple WRONG,but you will all go under without us WRONG, but we have been punished enough WRONG, but you need us WRONG ,you get the idea but but but every time ,in my book apologists are as guilty as those who done wrong ,
vote NO you know it makes sense lol its the right thing to do with NO BUTS
waco on 20 June, 2012 at 09:21 said:
Yeah I think its about time a few ‘how and evers’, ‘neverthelesses’ and ‘howevers’ were thrown in too.
I have just sent the following email.
May I encourage fellow CQNrs to copy and paste it to all Dunfermline AFC you have in your contacts.
To: Supporters & Officials of Dunfermline Athletic Football Club
I have been unable to find an email address for John Yorkston but write to draw your attention to the following asking you to notify him:
Rangers finished the last season with 73 points after their 10 point administration deduction;
Sasa Papac who was named by the BBC among the EBT recipients where the SPL has recently confirmed Rangers have a prima facie case to answer over non-disclosure of dual contracts, played in 20 games in the season during which Rangers amassed 47 points;
If these results are overturned, to 3-0 defeats, Rangers would end on 26 points;
Dunfermline, the until now relegated club, ended on 25 points.
However……. you lost 6 points to Rangers in games where Papac participated and if these changes are reflected you would have 31 points.
In these circumstances it would seem Dunfermline AFC should not have to suffer relegation.
Given the imminent 4 July vote of the SPL Chairmen to readmit Rangers Newco may I suggest your time to take any action to attempt to resolve this issue is very limited.
Sincerely,
@ The Pantaloon Duck on 20 June, 2012 at 09:20
I had never heard of Danny Holmes either. Tbh I am quite happy with the full backs we have at the moment.
Don´t know enough about Mills to be dissappointed we missed out on him.
I will feel a lot better about the CL qualifiers if/when FF signs.
BOBBY MURDOCH’S CURLED-UP WINKLEPICKERS on 20 June, 2012 at 09:17 said:
I find Jimmy Carr about as funny as Alan Carr,but obviously not everyone feels the same way.
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Couldnt agree more with some of these so called celebs..meanwhile asking us genuine taxpayers to line their greedy off shore accounts..if you want our money .pay the taxes like the rest of us and contribute to the roads you drive on and the hospitals you and your family will need!!!!!…
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Ok rant over…a wee bit early for me but hey ho.so is Campbell in thunderbird 4 yet planning his escape from tracey island?..HH all you cheeky wee bampots!
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G’Day CQN..
Anyone Heading over for the Ajax Game..
Or is there Many Heading over.. Not been on the Net for a While..
Thanks in Advance..
Summa
BOBBY MURDOCH’S CURLED-UP WINKLEPICKERS on 20 June, 2012 at 09:17 said:
I agree – it’s the same with entrepreneurs who pay less than 20% tax – ‘Oh they would leave the country / there’d be a brain drain iff they had to pay more tax’ – b*ll*cks. Let them leave. Scandalous that we accept this disgusting situation in this day and age.
Did I really hear Kay Adams say “Wir sind das Volk” on Radio Scotland this morning or have I not yet fully awoken?
Slan_Abhaile,
So Neil Lennon eventually won us the league despite all those who ganged up on him last October. I’m sure you were pleased for him after all the abuse he took.
Given the recent history of Shenanigans F.C. it’s been obvious what kind of ‘investor’ Mr. Green would prove to be; there is his track record and his CV, too.
Also,the parlous state of rfc(dead) required wholsale restructuring,financing and people with honourable intentions to take them forward and out of the morass.
Instead we see what we see.
And the there are their shameless ‘fans’,spouting bile and filth.
So,they’ve got the ‘owner’ they deserve : an asset stripper who knows nothing about football and everything about dodgy finance.
“Meet the new boss,same as the old boss.”
kitalba on 20 June, 2012 at 09:37 said:
Delighted. I didn’t think he had it in him (and you can’t deny that at 15 pts trailing, it is only right to ask serious questions) but stand corrected.
•-:¦:-•** -:¦:- sparkleghirl :¦:-.•**• -:¦:-• on 20 June, 2012 at 07:34 said:
Leggoland:
GREEN AND POLICE HALT FANS’ MARCH
Posted: 19 Jun 2012 12:27 AM PDT
CHARLES GREEN has joined forces with Strathclyde Police to stop Rangers supporters marching on Ibrox Stadium on Saturday.
Police were worried at the numbers who were keen to join the march to tell Charles Green he is not wanted.
And they feared they would not be able to cope, as their intelligence reports were telling them that anything up to 50,000 supporters were set to muster in Bellahouston Park before marching on The Stadium.
Hahahahaha.
share on F’book or Twitter
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A World record for the greatest number of people not to have held a football related protest march.
It makes one proud to be Scottish.
whits with the name change?
Intelligence reports? As in the ole WMDs? Williamites of Mark Dingwallie?
I posted this late last night about Wattie’s walk-away and I did not get many replies. I cannot see his walk-out as being an unqualified debacle. To me, it suggests he knows the company is heading out of Green’s hands and the scam continues where the club ends up back with Rangers men but debt free. What am I missing?
“I am not sure that Wattie’s gang walked because Wattie was about to be implicated in something smelly. If it was true, what was the reason the finance guys, McColl and Parks, had to withdraw? After all, they are “clean” and Wattie is only a figurehead to re-assure the Bears. Parks and McColl could replace Wattie with Gough, Butcher, Laudrup or any ten a penny legned. Does it not fit the facts better to suggest that McColl & Parks have either stitched a secret pre-agreement with Green or are withdrawing because he is floundering and they want him to come begging to them rather than fight them and sell to another insider asset stripper friend of Whyte’s?”
Dave ing came as close to saying sorry as anyone has, admitting that as a Director he shares liability.
But he stated that they were not seeking to gain a competitive advantage by using EBTs. So why use them then?
Either they were trying to attract better players through the ability to give them more money or they were avoiding tax to make the budget go further, Either way they were looking for an advantage.
In honour of HMRC and the tree I have in my back paddock.
warszawabhoy on 20 June, 2012 at 09:26
Good on you re the email to Dunfermline fans…..at the risk of being picky/paranoid tim-like , I’d like to suggest a change from
“Given the imminent 4 July vote of the SPL Chairmen to readmit Rangers Newco …..”
to
“Given the imminent 4 July vote of the SPL Chairmen to admit a newco …..”
I don’t myself have any Dunfermline friends (but not in a cadizzy- no-mates way) so I can’t actually act on my own pedantry.
Cadizzy Thank you.
Agree NewCo would have been better but it’s gone already.
If anyone else picks it up they are welcome to make the change.
Danny Holmes i remember him saying ,that he heard celtic and rangers were interested in him,of the 2 he said his option would to sign for rangers, thats enough for me, the boy mc gowan at hearts is a decent right back ,and out of contract.
The reason the march/meting was cancelled because someone from strathclydes finest said to Wattie and Dingbat “thats fine on you go,who do we send the bill to?”
“run mark run..run like the wind!”
Less than six weeks remain until Cliftonville lock horns with a Celtic XI at Solitude.
Following today’s visit of Celtic personnel to assist the Club in making arrangements for the occasion, it has been confirmed that the game will have a 2pm kick-off and tickets are now available for purchase via the clubs website, http://www.cliftonvillefc.net
The game will afford Manager Tommy Breslin the chance to pit his players against quality opposition in the lead up to the new Premiership campaign, while the Hoops will doubtless be keen to avenge the 3-0 defeat they suffered on their last visit when a Chris Scannell brace and Ciaran Caldwell header helped the Reds mark their 130th Anniversary celebrations in memorable style.
Further details of events linked to the game will follow soon on http://www.cliftonvillefc.net
Anyone have an update on the Alex Thomson tweet that an ex-rangers manager’s lawyer said there would be a ‘Major Fraud’ uncovered at rangers.