Close to 100 people agreed to participate in the Scottish FA’s disciplinary panel, as Neil Lennon put it yesterday, “for the love of the game”. Processes were established and although panel members would meet and be introduced to club officials who were subject to their decisions, they were granted freedom from publicity in order for them to hand out punishments free of intimidation.
This freedom has now gone.
Such was the reaction to Ally McCoist’s public demand to know the names of the panel members who judged the actions of his club the SFA felt it prudent to select panellists who were happy to expose themselves and their places of employment to the outcry the original panellists endured. IF they uphold of increase the penalties.
On Wednesday evening we should find out whether intimidation of the SFA works.
The biggest scandal of all is that despite the consequences of McCoist’s actions, the SFA have taken no disciplinary action against him. Rangers officials are free to react to the appeal judgement in the same manner as the original without fear of consequence.
Other managers who are pursued for more prosaic matters might consider the SFA panel have something personal against them.
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Minx1888
Have a great day tomorrow.
So much has happened since that night a few of us met up in the Beer Cafe. I’m sure Steve will have appropriate music being played up there with the good guys:o)
A post from FF which lasted all of 45 seconds before being chopped…..
This is quite long but stay with it as it is important toa nyone with our club’s interests at heart.
It was genreally agreed that Paul Murray and Brian Kennedy gave an oscar winning performance to the media yesterday afternoon and on later interviews on tv, and if only their bid was as good as their words we would have been out of this mess many weeks ago.
From information gathered from various sources close to TBK, the administrators and club officials, together with the email from Kennedy’s laywer released yesterday afternoon, it is about time all Rangers supporters were shown the truth behind the myth about TBK
bid for the club.
Lets start at the beginning of this, which is when D Murray was about to sell to CW after months of protracted negotiations. P Murray came out and told everyone that CW was a bad sort (no arguments there!) and that he had offered D Murray £28M to buy the club but D Murray refused to sell it to him as he wanted to sell it to CW. At the time it sounded like sour grapes from an outgoing board member but remember the figure they quoted of £28M.
Fast forward to February of this year and our entry into administration after weeks of speculation. On 1 March P Murray arranged a meeting with some high profile Rangers fans and some fans reps to explain his plan to buy the club with a view to getting some fans support. Paperwork was shown with bits of their business plan and it all sounded very impressive. Items including a massive board of Directors including many fans reps who would represent the new tiers of shareholders which would be created with a massive share issue sometime during the 12-13 season. There were to be three levels of shareholders, the lowest starting at £1000 a share but with pay-up options to ensure fans could contribute from as little as £10pw. Democratic elections of these fans reps would ensure accountability. No issues would be excluded from the fans. All very good news. When it came to discussions of funding, it was claimed at that time that there were around 10 Blue Knights in situ, and discussions were ongoing to take that number up to 20 before the bid was due to go in. To qualify as a Blue Knight an investor would have to part with £1M minimum. Obviously this would give TBK a pot of cash to buy and finance the club of around £20M, plus the income generated from a fans share issue which was estimated could be another £20M. This would pay off the club debts, give it a firm footing, and would ensure the club would come out of admin in a much stronger position.
The next major incident came when TBK announced that they had negotiated a deal with Ticketus to take them out of the CVA pot. The deal was that Ticketus would accept a payment of £10M (much higher than they could have expected through a CVA) and in return would offer TBK an overdraft facility at competitive commercial rates of up to a further £10M. This rang alarm bells for some of us who wondered why this was happening when D&P had correctly won a court case to ensure Ticketus were not preferential creditors and were to go into the CVA pot along with other creditors, and would be repaid a fraction of the money they had given to CW to finance the purchase of the club. Up until this point Ticketus were seen as the bad guys who had done a deal with CW for OUR future season tickets in exchange for money to pay off LBG. Now this deal was hailed in some quarters as a fantastic piece of business that secured CW’s shares (it was believed Ticketus would get CW’s shares in exchange for not pursuing him for his personal guarantee for the £20-odd Million loan) and it was seen as the final piece of the jigsaw that would see TBK win the race to buy the club.
On two consecutive weekends it was believed that TBK had won the race and would be declared Preferred Bidder (PB) on the Monday morning only to be scuppered on both occassions by the very same Ticketus that it was claimed were now not the bad guys, but very happy partners. The first time Ticketus tried to shaft TBK by running to Bill Ng looking for a better deal with him than they were getting from TBK. After Ng chased them away they came back to a now raging P Murray who reluctantly swallowed his pride for the good of his bid and agreed the same deal as before. Again D&P were happy to name them PB on the Monday, and this story broke widely over the weekend and things were looking good for TBK. Unfortunately for TBK, Ticketus again pulled the plug on the deal, admitting that they had no agreement with CW for his shares and therefore they were not able to proceed.
While none of these two events were directly TBK fault, it shows that their choice of partners was at best suspect, and confirmed to those of us who questioned Ticketus’s motives all along that if they were willing to break rules to get CW the club, they could not be trusted to act in the best interests of our club for anything.
What the deal with Ticketus proved more than anything however, was that TBK original claims of having a number of investors and a large pot of cash was now fanciful at best. It was clear that they had not been able to convicne invetors to join their group, and instead of going with Ticketus, a deal that was claimed was the only way forward for the club, they should have either asked the fans to join them and bring forward the investment vehicle, or admit defeat and try to join forces with another interested party.
Instead they continued with their black propaganda campaign, heavily involving their supporters from RST/FF and certain media outlets, into blackening the name of any other interested bidders, pressuring D&P to name TBK as PB when they could not realistically do that due to the level of bids involved, and continuing with the emotional balckmail of Rangers fans into believeing that they were the only true bid to take the club forward.
This was never more carefully orchestrated than when Bill Miller was named as PB by D&P. Bill Miller spent hours talking to McCoist and Jardine but didnt want to go public to the fans until the deal was done so as to not get the fans hopes up too much. The feedback from these conversations were good, he answered all the questions asked of him, and it looked like the best way of explaining his interest would be to compare it to what McCann done for celtic. He wasnt a fan but a businessman from North America who spotted the chance to buy a massive institution for a low price, turn it around and make it work properly, and sell it on for a much higher price some years later. He also refused to comment on the negative campaign being waged against him, as he believed it gained nothing but a split in the support. How right he was. The reasoning of his decision to withdraw may or may not have had anything to do with the over 1,000 negative emails he received, but he certainly took into consideration that if there were 1,000 fans taking the time to contact him negatively BEFORE he took over, it would make his job much harder to convince them to buy season tickets and back his custodianship, and it can be argued that it may have been the tipping point that made him withdraw. We will probably never know for sure.
The one thing that we can be sure of is that Bill Miller had a much better chance of success than TBK of getting a workable CVA. That is why they were named PB. In cash terms TBK offer was only £1.5M, with other later add-ons bringing it up, but only £1.5M of cold hard cash to buy the famous Rangers Football Club. Quite a far cry fromt he £28M P Murray was supposed to have offered a year previous.
This brings us up to the present time. With the collapse of the Miller bid, there was talk of new interest including from a UK consortium, later publicised as being fronted by Mr Green. Lets cut to the chase now on what is happening with the two bids just now. The Green bid is £8M cash. Write a cheque, put it into the CVA pot, and move forward. Nice and simple.
TBK latest bid is £9.1M as per the email from BK’s lawyer to D&P which was publicly released yesterday in conjuction with the heart-warming press conference. Lets examine the £9.1M bid. It includes extra payments into the pot from Eurpoean success in the next few seasons, including a mention of some extra money if RFC makes the CL QF. While I would love us to be cometing at this level, even the most optimistic Bear would admit the CL QF stage is not something I would want my future income depending on, so it has to be ruled out by D&P. TBK have also added in other conditions which mean that extra payments will be made to creditors during the course of next season. Of course, this means that it is not TBK paying this, but the club (i.e. you and me). It would not be too far a push to suggest that the share issue is in mind to pay for this. David Hinchcliffe (DH) (BK’s laywer who wrote the email) tries to argue with D&P why they are taking out £3.5M from the £9.1M because it is money due to the club from other football clubs. How can you possibly include £3.5M of transfer payments due from other clubs for players previously sold into YOUR bid for the club. That is quite shocking.
Instead DH asks why D&P are not giving TBK credit for saying they will meet the 2012-13 expected trading losses of around £10M. Again, why should this be relevant at all. If TBK take over the club for the start of 2012-13 and make a £10M loss in their first year, why should they be given any credit for funding this. In any event, again it looks likely that it will be the fans share issue that is funding this shortfall, not TBK investment.
This is why the word “quantum” is being overly used these days. TBK bid is all pieced into future payments. It might all add up to around £9.1M, but it is clear that the cash offer is no more than £2M. While £2M is an improvement on their embarrassing £1.5M offer of the last round, it is still embarrassing and hardly going to be acceptable.
Do TBK really believe that they should be allowed to purchase RFC for an initial investment of £2M, plus add-ons?
D&P are well out of their depth in this administration. That much is a given. Have they made mistakes? You bet they have. Is it their fault TBK are not the owners of RFC? Absolutely NOT. That fault lies 100% purely and squarely with TBK and their failure to raise sufficient funds to buy the club in a professional manner.
I hear that the Green consortium will be named PB by Monday, but having been caught out before I take that with a pinch of salt and ask others to do likewise. However time really is running out for TBK to come up with the cash up front that would buy them the club.
They either put up a sensible cash up front bid of £8M and take our club forward with all their great ideas and fans share issue, a large democratic board, Rangers men in all significant positions. Or they give up trying to steal the club for a bargain basement price and then get the fans to pay for everything in later years and let/back the Green consortium get on with the job of ensuring there is a Rangers left to follow.
minx
I was just thinking about you when Fergie was getting a doing… o))
Knoxy..
email to you re London for game tomorrow..
BT
This is the excellent foppery of the world, that,
when we are sick in fortune,–often the surfeit
of our own behavior,–we make guilty of our
disasters the sun, the moon, and the stars: as
if we were villains by necessity; fools by
heavenly compulsion; knaves, thieves, and
treachers, by spherical predominance; drunkards,
liars, and adulterers, by an enforced obedience of
planetary influence; and all that we are evil in,
by a divine thrusting on: an admirable evasion
of whoremaster man, to lay his goatish
disposition to the charge of a star!
Craig Whyte, May 2012
Its all about a third.
Scottish All-Time League of Success
League SC L C Euro Total %
1. RANGERS 53.5 33 27 1 114.5 37.0
2. CELTIC 43 35 14 1 93 30.1
3. ABERDEEN 4 7 5 1 17 5.5
4. HEARTS 4 7 4 – 15 4.9
5. QUEEN’S PARK – 10 – – 10 3.2
6. HIBS 4 2 3 – 9 2.9
7. KILLIE 1 3 1 – 5 1.6
8. DUN UTD 1 2 2 – 5 1.6
9. DUNDEE 1 1 3 – 5 1.6
10. MWELL 1 2 1 – 4 1.3
11. EAST FIFE – 1 3 – 4 1.3
12. 3rd LANARK 1 2 – – 3 1.0
13. CLYDE – 3 – – 3 1.0
13. ST MIRREN – 3 – – 3 1.0
13. VALE OF LEVEN – 3 – – 3 1.0
16. DUMBARTON 1.5 1 – – 2.5 0.8
17. DUNFERMLINE – 2 – – 2 0.6
17. FALKIRK – 2 – – 2 0.6
17. RENTON – 2 – – 2 0.6
20. P. THISTLE – 1 1 – 2 0.6
21. AIRDRIE – 1 – – 1 0.3
21. MORTON – 1 – – 1 0.3
21. ST BERNARD’S – 1 – – 1 0.3
24. LIVINGSTON – – 1 – 1 0.3
24. RAITH R – – 1 – 1 0.3
Source: Figures collated from Evening Times The Wee Red Book 2011-12;
BBC News; Scottish League Championship and League Cup to 2012;
The findings are fascinating. A total of 25 clubs have one piece of silverware;
20 of those clubs are still in the senior game; five are not: Third Lanark,
Vale of Leven, Renton, Airdrie and St. Bernard’s. That means that 22 of Scotland’s current senior clubs have never experienced winning major silverware including two clubs in today’s SPL: St. Johnstone and Inverness Caley Thistle. Since the first Scottish Cup of 1873-74 Celtic and Rangers have won 207.5 out of 309 trophies: 67.1%. That means 101.5 trophies have been won by non-Old Firm clubs: 32.9% .
return of the 7 on C5..
lust love the tune…
lust love in the same sentence,
hope Mrs BT aint reading… o))
…should have used html tags..sorry
Was over at parkhead today with my Bhoys.
The thai tims were singing at the shop and the team were signing
autographs as they prepared to leave on the bus.
I spoke to Kayal who told me he was playing tomorrow.
I like our team better when he is in the team.
HH
Mike
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9iteRKvRKFA
for BT with love but nae lust :)
Whilst not thinking Fergie as an “UberHun”, the team he put out against thems at OT last time out, was a disgrace and it nearly came back to trip him up at the tail end of the group stages, when they just needed a win in Glasgow to qualify. Added to that his disrespectful comments following the narrow win against us at OT, he went down in my estimation.
As regards getting the bullet as a player from I****, was he not held culpable for either the Berwick result or his performance against us at Hampden?
Notice he didn’t get fired into Willie Allison until the guy was dead.
http://www.philmacgiollabhain.ie/the-final-performance/#more-2628
The Hun has got his (Bowler) Hat on, hip-hip-hip-hip-hooray,
The Hun has got his hat on,
He’s Walking away today!
Now we’ll All be Happy, hip-hip-hip-hip-hooray,
The Hun has got his (Orange) Sash on, hip-hip-hip-hip-hooray,
The Hun has got his Sash on,
Lead by Sally Moonbeams, he does it every day!
HH
Thai Tims on at half-time tomorrow. They fly home on Tuesday.
They’re beginning to hallucinate on FF:
“Rangers & The European Cup
If the European cup had been its current format since the beginning.
How many times do you think we’d have won it?
Had this discussion after last weeks game, general consensus was about 2 or 3.
The tims wouldn’t have got 9 in a row either with all the additional games they’d have had taking their toll. Scottish football was amongst the best in Europe in the 60s/70s right up to the mid 80s.
Old man has always said rangers teams in the early 60s were better than anything the rattlers had during their 9IAR.”
Old man has always said rangers teams in the early 60s were better than anything the rattlers had during their 9IAR.”
So why didn’t they win the EC during the 60’s then? :)))
Eric
Monaghan 1900
I think some of them have finally getting to the depression then acceptance stages, STUPID STUPID orcs
What’s the score for tomorrow,I may be a bit under the weather as I’m bringing a bottle of Ciroc,I may be in my room having a few before the start of play,I may catch the Grand Prix before you get to the Belgrove hotel.
Till later bhoys & ghirls
http://www.youtube.com/watch?gl=GB&feature=related&v=zhkdy0AOpaM
Monaghan1900 on 12 May, 2012 at 16:25 said:
He’ll be talking about the team that lost 12 goals to Frankfurt, who didn’t go on to win the cup.
Maybe I shouldn’t ask this, but is Moroccan black really that good?
Monaghan1900 on 12 May, 2012 at 16:25 said:
They’re beginning to hallucinate on FF:
“Rangers & The European Cup
If the European cup had been its current format since the beginning.
How many times do you think we’d have won it?
At a guess, being approximate, somewhere around … zero.
When they go bust, how long will it take anyone to match their record for most entries into the premier European tournament without winning it?
Celtic didn’t win the league in the 60’s until 1966.
Rangers were regularly spanked in the European Cup – Eintracht Frankfurt for one who Real dispatched by even more goals.
A truly embarrassing comment.
Enrico Dandolo nicked my Crusade on 12 May, 2012
rangers hold the record for the most attempts at winning the European Cup without success.
They really are stupid, stupid huns.
Lewis Toshney having a good game at Dunfermline. 1-2.
Yeehah!
Kids sitter just confirmed so can head to the game tomorrow. It was taking a while and starting to be resigned to watching online.
Yesss
Will we see a repeat of 98 – maybe updated with a huddle on the podium.
S
They once got to a European Cup semi final, and guess what, they hold the record for the biggest ever defeat in a European Cup semi final.
They also hold the record for being the first team to win the cup winners cup, without winning their domestic cup the previous year. (Celtic won it!)
They also hold the record for being the first team who were banned from defending their trophy – because, huns being huns, they rioted.
Stupid, stupid huns.
BlantyreTim
Got message from HT, thanks mate, appreciate it. Any chance of 1 more for Friday?
Cheers
B
The Comfortable Collective on 12 May, 2012 at 16:53 said:
C’mon, be fair. The semi final tie was a 16 goal thriller and Rangers did get an away goal.
Monaghan1900 on 12 May, 2012 at 16:25 said:
They’re beginning to hallucinate on FF:
Aye, and if the MBB’s wealth was off the radar they wouldn’t be getting liquidated next week!
More to be pitied than scorned, poor souls.
Re, that semifinal
I note one of the Eintracht Frankfurt scorers in the first leg was called Stinka. And another was called Stein. :)
celt55 on 12 May, 2012 at 16:55
Fair enough. After all the team that gubbed then went on to win the European Cup.
Oh aye, that’s right, they actually went on to lose the final, conceeding more goals in that game than any other team in any other final.
The Comfortable Collective on 12 May, 2012 at 16:53 said:
Scot Symon is reported to have said, “Eintracht? Who are they?” It didn’t take him long to find out.
If you ever go to Barcelona and visit FCB’s museum they have photographs of all the teams who have visited the Camp Nou. Yes, you’ve guessed it correctly the photograph of the hun’s visit to the Camp Nou , for the ECWC final in 1972, is of THEM wrecking the stadium, nuff said.
Bhoys & Ghirls, been gutted today, lost my wee Deputy Bhoy (the dog) this morning – but positivity has returned quickly, season renewals finally arrived, a celebration tommorrow (will cheer the Ghirls and I up), and can celebrate another not to be seen again, shortly.
Chuck e ls
(the dogs name was chuckels}
Toward the end of the service, the Priest asked, “How many of you have forgiven your enemies?”
80% held up their hands.
The Priest then repeated his question. All responded this time, except one small elderly lady .
“Mrs. Jones? Are you not willing to forgive your enemies? ”
“I don’t have any.” She replied, smiling sweetly.
“Mrs. Jones, that is very unusual. How old are you?”
“Ninety-eight.” she replied.
“Oh, Mrs. Jones, would you please come down in front & tell us all how a person can live ninety-eight years and not have an enemy in the world?”
The little sweetheart of a lady tottered down the aisle, faced the congregation, and said: “I outlived the bitches.”
Apologies if this has already been posted. Dark Mingwall is informing the knuckle draggers on FF that Brian Kennedy offered to go ‘head to head’ with the administrators live on radio this evening. Needless to say D&P declined… Seriously, what planet are this mob on? Kennedy by the hour, is further cementing my first impression of him from weeks ago… Total egomaniac.
The teacher says, “Let’s discuss what your fathers do for a living.”
Mary says, “My Dad is a lawyer. He puts bad guys in jail.”
Jack says, “My Dad is a doctor. He makes all sick people better.”
The teacher says, to Dirty Johnny, “John, what does your Dad do ?”
Johnny says, “My Dad is dead.”
She says, “I’m sorry to hear that.
But what did he do before he died?”
Johnny says, “He turned blue and shit on the carpet.”