We have lots to do today so I’m not going to waste much of your time on the nonsense spouted by Kilmarnock chairman, Michael Johnston, yesterday, but it is important to respond to his claims.
After confirming Kenny Shiels will remain Kilmarnock manager next season Johnston said:
“As a solicitor, the difference between a CVA and a sale of the assets by the administrators to a new corporate entity doesn’t really have much of a difference for the creditors.”
The difference is consent. Creditors consent to a CVA, they do not consent to the establishment of a new corporate entity. Mr Johnston can speak as a Rangers fan or Kilmarnock chairman all day long without fear of contradiction, but if he speaks as a solicitor, he really should respect the weight the law gives to consent.
In law, acting with or without consent can be the difference between jail or freedom.
Johnston goes on to say:
“It is the same amount of money that’s going to be available to the creditors at the end of the day by and large.”
Yes, the same amount of money that has been declined by creditors. Offering them this cash when they have already refused it, and pretending they should have no concerns is crass stupidity.
He adds:
“But there are legal differences and what people have to bear in mind is that a football club has always been viewed by the football authorities as being something separate from who owns the football club.”
In the history of Scottish football this has never, ever, ever happened. Third Lanark, Airdrieonians, Gretna, all failed to reach agreement with creditors, all went out of business. When Mr Johnston said “always” he should have said “never”.
And Mr Johnston, please remember, acting with a financial or other type of victim’s consent is good. Acting without a victim’s consent is very bad. Trying to equate these two scenarios is disgusting.
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Michael Johnston, as a solicitor, if someone is found guilty of, let’s say, five murders, do they get five life sentences, or does the judge hold his hands up, “enough is enough, how much punishment can one man take” and stop at one?
Idiot.
If there was an alternative universe in which tolerance & love were the accepted norms I’d move there.
I am utterly sick of the way our world operates.
Never mind “life on life’s terms” or battered acceptance of “that’s just the way things are”.
(And yes,in my life I have managed to do some things to fight against the constant erosion of rights.)
I have acquainted myself with real history,not just the propaganda we’re fed.
My conclusions vis a vis the scandal of Satan F.C?….the O.O. has gained even more disproportionate power in Scotland and Scottish football and now ‘laws’ are just being created on the hoof and the existence of RFC will be maintained at all costs,even if it means the death of professional football in Scotland. All this to perpetrate and intensify bigotry,intolerance and hatred.
Makes me sick.
“CELTIC are among world football’s elite clubs as one of the 50 top valuable brands in the game. It’s a sign of Celtic’s continuing growth and global appeal that they have been rated so highly in the annual Brand Finance Football 50.
For the first time, the Hoops are in the prestigious top 50 list, which is topped by Manchester United. Indeed, the majority of the clubs in the top 50 are from the top five football nations in terms of economic power – Spain, Italy, England, Germany and France – which only serves to further emphasise Celtic’s achievement
According to the study, the Scottish Premier League champions have seen an impressive 30 per cent growth in their brand value over the past 12 months, which has catapulted the club into this list alongside world football’s top teams.
And whether it’s Norwich or North America, Aberdeen or Australia, the green and white Hoops of Celtic are known and loved, enhanced in no small part by the supporters who wear the Hoops and support the team with pride and passion.
Celtic Chief Executive Peter Lawwell said: “Although playing in a domestic league with very low media values, and in a country of just five million people, this shows the power of the Celtic brand globally.””
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Notice how PL replaces the word ‘support’ with ‘brand’.
Why do you integrity seekers put faith in this man, or his ilk?
He cares about three things like the vast majority of chief execs: his ego, his career and his salary (not mutually exclusive)!
HH
Popcorn in for 8pm viewing tonight with Jelly and Ice cream to follow! These days are no good for the waist line!!
Tic toc.. tic toc…
SunnyBhoy on 23 May, 2012 at 05:47 said:
Best Celtic video I’ve seen in a long time…
You have to watch this bhoys,it’s what we are all about.
‘a domestic league with very low media values’
– an’ gettin’ lower by the minute.
MadraRua
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gtdrSaoZCHI&feature=related
warning:if you watch this you’ll be singing it all day
Sorry didnt copy over ,you tube “Celtic” it’s by Moravcik.
Awe_Naw_No_Annoni_Oan_Anaw_Noo on 23 May, 2012 at 10:08 said:
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If it wasn’t for people like you I’d go bonkers….well…more bonkers.
HH!
: ))
Read Johnston’s comments and could scarcely believe them….well I suppose I could; he is just such a blatant hvn. He seems more worried about them than his own team.
Seems to me we have no option whatsoever but to boycott the away game(s) we have at Rugby Park next season.
I think the only meal to have with tonight’s programme is succulent lamb, washed down with a muscular red.
Jelly and icecream for pudding, obviously.
Johnston nailing his red,white and blue colours to the mast.
Awe_Naw_No_Annoni_Oan_Anaw_Noo on 23 May, 2012 at 10:08 said:
Nice job Mate, classy very classy..
How can Ticketus agree a CVA and then still go after Craig whyte ?? It’s the same debt is it not? Or am I missing something? Which is a good possibility in this mess of lies.
need to tell Mrs BT the ole doc said it’s ok to have a swally tonight….. o))
merseycelt lmfao as the big house door slams shut on 23 May, 2012 at 10:11 said:
Er it’s a report about branding. Of course he’s going to talk about the power of the brand.
How do you think we attract new supporters worldwide (or even locally), some of whom (like me) that have no previous connection to the club*? We do it through the power of the brand.
I’m more than happy to chew the fat with those that don’t trust the board but jumping on their every utterance and twisting it can get a wee bit over the top.
*none of my family are into football, and there were no Celtic supporters in my class at school. I came to the club via a 30yd goal scored by Paul McStay for Scotland. What a player.
roy croppie on 23 May, 2012 at 10:12 said:
Love it !!
PAUL67
Cracking little article,bud.
It seems to me that you are unsure whether Mr Johnston has been either disingenious,economical with the truth,twisting the facts to suit his agenda,or simply lying.
Of course,it may have been simply an error in translation. It’s a different language in Ayrshire,y’know…..
Continuing in Awe _Naws theme – (he’s probably done it before ;-)
And in the death
As the last few corpses lay rotting on the slimy
thoroughfare
The shutters lifted in inches in Temperance Building (I-brokes)
High on Poacher’s Hill
And red, mutant eyes gaze down on Hunger City
No more big wheels
Fleas the size of rats sucked on rats the size of cats
And ten thousand peoploids split into small tribes
Coverting the highest of the sterile skyscrapers
Like packs of dogs assaulting the glass fronts of Love-Me Avenue
Ripping and rewrapping mink and shiny silver fox, now legwarmers
Family badge of sapphire and cracked emerald
Any day now
The Year of the Diamond Dogs
“This ain’t Rock’n’Roll
This is Genocide”
HH
ToneLoc on 23 May, 2012 at 10:07 said:
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All the best to the wee bhoy! I had that op when I was 5. The one consolation was that they gave me loads of ice-cream afterwards. And the op was a success.
So,again,all the best!
HH!
Paul,
Great to see the specific points being outlined for clarity and and as you say I think it’s going to be one heck of a day!
More power to you…..
bonzodog on 23 May, 2012 at 10:16 said:
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The DR refers to a ‘source’ informing them of this. Another way of putting it would be: ‘ here’s some hopeful pish we made up so as to shift a few more copies of this ‘worth less than used bog-roll’ rag’
Can I just say last night’s support were a disgrace. I now can’t get Achey Breaky Heart out of my head. :D
Rieperman on 23 May, 2012 at 09:51 said:
First Doncaster, now Johnston.
Is crass stupidity a prerequisite to becoming a solicitor?
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No, but it helps.
Though this isn’t stupidity. It’s deliberate, calculated lying. Wonder if it’s worth a letter to the Law Society?
As they pulled you out of the oxygen tent……
Johnston actually puts jabba and Chico to shame regarding rangers cheerleading. It would be interesting to know what the Kilmarnock fans think of their chairman putting another clubs survival over their own.
I feel this whole situation will not end well for Scottish football. I believe regardless of the evidence against them the will be in the spl with very little sanctions. I hope I’m wrong.
Lighter news, baby Hendrix said dada for the first time last night. I wiz near greetin.
Hail hail
weeminger on 23 May, 2012 at 10:17
The point I was trying to make was that the support is the brand or do you cedit the excellent performance of the Celtic support last night to PL’s shrewd marketing?
The Celtic brand is only successful because of our unparallelled support borne out of our support’s rich cultural history not because the club is marketed so successfully by the Celtic board!
If PL was good at his job, he would have us playing in England by now instead of the backward cesspit!
Dont believe the hype!
HH
ToneLoc on 23 May, 2012 at 10:07 said:
I hope that everything goes well for the wee fella mate.
mhaddog Is Mise Niall Lennon
Yeah I know EXACTLY where you are at just ruined my street cred in the office..
They just dont think when they come up with their immediately addictive wee chants.
I am getting called BILLY !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! FFS :-(((((
http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ohrwurm CSC
roy croppie on 23 May, 2012 at 10:12 said:
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Yep….correct!
: )))
Last night ?
On the field —— Very poor .
Off the field . Magnificent
Tonight ——
Sir David Murray shown to be an utter chancer.
Sir David Murray shown to be a fiddler and a diddler .
Glasgow Rangers shown to be up to their neck in illegal/ dodgy business /sporting practices.
The real news will be somebody doing something about it.
Cold [ 18 degrees ] , wet and windy . , feels like winter -way down south..
Cool At The Casa Montego CSC .
miki67 on 23 May, 2012 at 10:10 said:
Oh Mother, I can feel the soil falling over your head
And as you climb into an empty bed
Oh well. Enough said.
I know it’s over – still you cling
I don’t know where else you can go
Oh …
Oh Mother, I can feel the soil falling over your head
See, the sea wants to take you
The knife wants to slit you
Do you think I would help you ?
Sad veiled bride, please be happy
Handsome groom, give her room
Loud, loutish lover, treat her kindly
(Though she needs you
More than she loves you)
And I know it’s over – still you cling
I don’t know where else you can go
Over and over and over and over
Over and over, la …
I know it’s over
And it never really began
But in my heart it was unreal
And I even spoke to you, and said :
“If you’re so funny
Then why are you on your own tonight ?
And if you’re so clever
Then why are you on your own tonight ?
If you’re so very entertaining
Then why are you on your own tonight ?
If you’re so very good-looking
Why do you sleep alone tonight ?
I know …
‘Cause tonight is just like any other night
That’s why you’re on your own tonight
With your triumphs and your charms
While they’re in each other’s arms…”
It’s so easy to laugh
It’s so easy to hate
It takes strength to be gentle and kind
Over, over, over, over
It’s so easy to laugh
It’s so easy to hate
It takes guts to be gentle and kind
Over, over
Love is Natural and Real
But not for you, my love
Not tonight, my love
Love is Natural and Real
But not for such as you my love
Oh Mother, I can feel the soil falling over your head
Oh Mother, I can feel the soil falling over your head
Oh Mother, I can feel the soil falling over your head
Oh Mother, I can feel the soil falling over my …
Oh Mother, I can feel the soil falling over your head
Oh Mother, I can even feel the soil falling over your head
Oh Mother, I can feel the soil falling over your head
Oh Mother, I can feel the soil falling over my …
I am sick of people in positions of power peddling the myth that the football club and the company can be separated. They cannot. They are one and the same. The Company sells season tickets, merchandise, pies, sponsorship space and produces football matches for the entertainment of its customers. The Company owns the stadium, the player registrations, the training complex, the intellectual property, and the share in the league. The Company is liable to maintain payments to its employees, trade creditors and in respect of its statutory responsibilities.
What does the club do if it is independent of the Company? The answer is, nothing. Company=Club. The very fact that the SPL require to devise a mechanism for “transfer” of a league share to a newco removes anmy doubt. You cannot transfer anything to yourself. The club cannot transfer a league share to itself. A company CAN, however, transfer a share to another company. But that’s just the thing, it is ANOTHER COMPANY, a new thing. A New Club.
The idea that a New Club can waltz straight in to the SPL is insulting to anybody who values sporting integrity. There is a 160 year history of association football in this country. There are clubs like Falkirk, Hamilton Accies, Partick Thistle and counteless other Junior and Amateur teams who have contributed to that tradition.That their efforts in cutting costs, living within their means and putting up with the attendant sporting ramifications ought to be rewarded by witnessing some new thing which happens to own a stadium once used by a former club waltzing straight into the most prestigious and financially rewarding division in the country is a disgrace, pure and simple.
Incidentally, much as we have started using the newclub terminology, we have to be disciplined in maintaining the correct narrative that a newclub would NOT be re-entering, or “getting bak in” to the league. Nor should be refer to it as “Rangers”. I have heard “Zombie FC” and “Frankenstein FC”, the latter of which I prefer. perhaps Paul67 could provide a definitive name for them to rally round.
Rant Over!
Maybe Johnston wants the huns to get off scot-free,so that when Kilmarnock go to the wall,he can use the huns as an example,and plead that Killie should be let off the hook also.
Or maybe he is just a hun?
http://brandirectory.com/league_tables/table/top-50-football-club-brands-2012
Aston Villa move UP to 19th?! Lots of clubs ahead of us in there who we shouldn’t have too much trouble overtaking with a couple of years CL participation.
Quick question.
Whats happening today for ‘the truth will out’ and a fair bit of excitement?
Im out the loop, is it just the bBC programme or are we expecting more?
SOT
I thought we were only poor in the second half.
Thought it was a bit off that Lambo changed almost his entire team and we didn´t .. I blame his motherwell connection for that … Any team would get an advantage by doing that.
In the first half I have to say I got a lot of encouragement except for Commons supreme quality at giving the baw away.
The support !!! They deserve a better product to play in an honest league at the very least. It should be the first action on any list within FIFA never mind UEFA
Hail HAil
merseycelt lmfao as the big house door slams shut on 23 May, 2012 at 10:25 said:
Everything is tied together – the support, the football, the players, the brand all act and (hopefully) enhance one another. There are lots and lots of teams around the world famed for the passion of their support. They do not all have the brand power of Celtic, many are miles off.
Do you think the brand power of Celtic in Japan was bigger as a result of us signing Nakamura, or was it already there because of our amazing support?
Once again, I think it’s more than a little unfair to criticise PL for talking about the Celtic brand when he’s been asked to respond to a report about our brand power.