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  1. Jobo Baldie on

    Good morning friends.

     

     

    Bit of a drizzly grey morning here in ole EK but the weather won’t dampen my spirits today as my youngest bhoy, Paul, becomes a husband at 2pm. So looking forward to having a new member, Amanda, of the Baldie Clan. Just a pity that I’m missing the Lyon game but roll on Wednesday ;-)

  4. Dallas Dallas where the heck is Dallas on

    Jobo, have a great day and I wish Paul and Amanda the best of luck for their future married life

  5. NegAnon2 on

    Oh dear martybhoy so it appears that the Scottish football establishment will take the same approach as they did with the liquidation. Somehow claim it’s a matter of opinion then after a while slam anyone who has an opinion against the Hun.

     

     

    Corrupt and rotten to the core.

     

     

    The end of Scottish football beckons.

  8. Davidopoulos on

    I take it the Celtic team flew back last night…in choppers like at the end of Platoon…

     

     

    I trust Brendan reminded them to wind their watches forward 300 years???

  9. Gene on

    Good morning from a wet north staffs

     

     

    Jobo – best wishes to your son and his bride on this special day in their lives. Don’t let the weather dampen the day.

  11. ernie lynch on

    JOBO BALDIE on 15TH JULY 2017 8:07 AM

     

     

    Felicitations to all.

     

     

    But tell me, how did you react when he said to you ‘I’m marrying Amanda’?

  12. Gordon64 on

    Scott Brown comparing last night’s atmosphere to playing at Ibrox and Tynecastle. Says it all. Hh

  13. Brogan Rogan Trevino and Hogan on

    Good Morning.

     

     

    It remains the case that Celtic FC are the only football club to have made any public utterance on the outcome of the big tax case or the impact of the sworn evidence which came out during the course of the Craig Whyte trial.

     

     

    In this morning’s Scotsman, the outgoing chap and the SPFL, Ralph Topping, reportedly makes a very defensive statement about the SPFL honchos sitting down with a very fine solicitor and taking advice about any proposed review of the LNS decision with the report stating that the SPFL will “stand firm” on LNS.

     

     

    The entire article reads as a very defensive piece, with Topping at pains to stress that people will always complain, that fans will always fund a counter point of view and will always discuss the position and if necessary disagree with the findings of the footballing authorities.

     

     

    The message is clear from an administrative point of view.

     

     

    1. The intention at the outset is to defend the SPFL and its actions and

     

    2. You can’t please all of the people all of the time.

     

     

    In the body of the article, Mr Topping says that the SPFL solicitor has been challenged on the position and adds that either the SPFL or the solicitor or both wanted to be ready to withstand any challenge that may come or was expected to come.

     

     

    With respect to Mr Topping, if the article is accurate, then Mr Toppin, the SPFL and indeed the solicitor are missing a number of points.

     

     

    1. This is not about agreeing with or defending the SPFL and/or the LNS decision. It is about reviewing what happened between 1999 and 2013 in terms of the business conduct and footballing submissions made by Rangers FC during that period and how that conduct and those submissions fit within the rules of football and how the SPFL and the SFA dealt with both.

     

     

    2. It is not so much about the legal decision reached by LNS and his panel based upon the evidence which was adduced at that hearing, it is about whether or not LNS was properly convened, was asked to determine the right question or even all the questions, was referred to the correct dates, and whether or not subsequent events show that he was either lied to, had evidence withheld from him or erred in fact or law.

     

     

    3. The purpose of such a review is not so much to put the SFA/SPFL in the dock and throw blame around etc as to determine where, how, when and why the Scottish Football administration football system failed because fail it did and spectacularly so.

     

     

    For anyone involved in football to say otherwise is ludicrous.

     

     

    Immediately after the LNS decision, one football club did write to the SPFL and asked whether or not those at the SPFL seriously thought it was appropriate to have a situation where one club effectively cheated the tax system for the sole purpose of saving many millions of pounds so that they could buy better players only to be fined £250,000 as a consequence.

     

     

    Given that the wrongdoing has now been declared to be far more extensive and of a completely different legal nature than LNS was willing to consider, it is equally daft, unprofessional, arrogant and just plain poor to suggest that this should not be looked at again to see what lessons can be learned and what can be done to prevent any such repetition in the future.

     

     

    This last aspect is hugely important because nowhere in the article does Mr Topping address the fact that unless football fans are reassured that it is absolutely impossible for such cheating to happen again in future then tens of thousands of football fans will walk away from football altogether.

     

     

    Many will call for past titles to be stripped and based on the evidence that is wholly understandable. However, a proper, open and honest review is not only about reviewing what happened in the past. It is also about securing a future for football because if this is just left there is certainly no point in attending any football match organised under the auspices of the SPFL or the SFA because they have simply failed to reassure the customer or fan that what they are watching is not the product of a rigged system or one that is simply wholly uninterested in any kind of sporting integrity.

     

     

    I am glad Mr Topping has come out and said what he has said.

     

     

    He is to be congratulated on making it as plain as plain can be that the SPFL attitude is to defend the colossal mistakes they have already made and that there is little appetite for anyone to have the balls to stand up and say “Maybe we got this wrong and that we should look at it again!”

     

     

    He is also to be congratulated in making it plain that this is a matter where people will just disagree and move on in the same way that an offside decision can and will be discussed down the pub after the game and soon forgotten about thereafter.

     

     

    That is the footballing authority view.

     

     

    I am yet to hear anyone in Scottish Football actually contrast and compare their point of view to the clear arguments and decisions which came out of the FC Giannini case.

     

     

    For everyone’s benefit, I produce the whole decision here.

     

     

    https://jurisprudence.tas-cas.org/Shared%20Documents/3233.pdf

     

     

    Please read it — and then read it again.

     

     

    Recognise the argument put forward by UEFA and how the argument about “conditionality” is dealt with at least in part. I know it is couched in legal terms, is a bit dry and wouldn’t make a good novel.

     

     

    But its implication is clear.

     

     

    If a football club does not submit a full, frank and honest application with full facts and figures with regard to its operation, wages, playing staff contracts or whatever then it simply should not be allowed to enter the competition.

     

     

    Be annoyed. Be very annoyed because if this position is allowed to stand then the next time you turn up to a football match at Celtic Park or anywhere else in Scotland you will be completely wasting your time.

     

     

    And that point should be made very clear to Mr Topping and anyone else who has any say in Scottish Football.

     

     

    Oh and by the way — anyone who thinks that the proper way to conduct a business can be answered by simply saying ” we consulted a solicitor” is a total idiot.

     

     

    Lawyers don’t have the answers to everything and are trained to think a certain way. They are often wrong and our adversarial legal system means that in any court case one of them at least has to be wrong.

     

     

    A “review” is an investigation and an examination – it is not a disciplinary hearing with a position that has to be prosecuted or defended and it should be conducted with an open mind and not only by legal minds.

     

     

    The SPFL and the SFA oversee a licensed entertainment that involves sporting competition which is regulated by a series of sporting rules and regulations.

     

     

    If they are already of a mindset to “defend” an existing position then any such review should be conducted by people (a) who have experience of adminisitering a similar licensing system in another sport (b) should be from outwith Scotland and come to this completely of new (c) should be wholly independent of any football club in Scotland and any footballing organisation currently in operation in Scotland (d) should not be made up solely of lawyers.

     

     

    Failing to grasp this nettle will see a huge downward spiral for football in Scotland and that is a simple fact.

  14. weebawbabitty on

    Morning all , happy with result last night think we will need to be carefull in next game against them in case some mister nobody try’s to become a Hun hero and try’s to seriously injure one of our players. Meanwhile over on manky media theirs a thread on them verses the match fixers their words not mine one Raw ket !! Calls them cheating b@&!@£ds oh the irony!

  15. Hot Smoked on

    “If you tell the truth, you don’t have to remember anything.”

     

     

    Mark Twain

  16. starry plough on

    Who are these mighty solicitors Mr Topping?? Should we be afraid for our lives at their mighty super powers??

     

     

    He must think the football fans of Scotland head’s button up the back but thanks Ralphy you’ve done the fans a great service with your condescending view of the game and how the people in charge run it.

     

     

    The best way you were duped, the worst way you’re up to neck in it..

     

     

    The games up Ralphy and I’m sure it’s just a coincidence that you’re jumping ship right now like the rat you are…

     

     

    We spoke to a solicitor, did ye aye Ralph did ye ya tosser…

  18. southside on

    So the SFA and SPFL have both sought legal advice to protect a club who have cheated?

  19. Cultsbhoy says Hail Hail to Hector and Brendan on

    There’s a danger of games last night inciting hatred in the hearts of our supporters towards Huns. If we let that happen we become no better than they are.

     

     

    I don’t hate Huns. In fact mostly they are an irrelevance to me. I even like some Huns very much..I’ve got plenty of Hun pals.

     

     

    There are of course the despicable Hun extremists who I suspect hate me because of what I am and what I represent. It has always been like that but the change since 2012 was that that insecurity was based on fear that they would lose their perceived position as the peepil. Post 2012 even the most ardent Fenian hating Hun ‘KNOWS’ THE GAME IS OVER. The many battles won have resulted in a war lost.

     

     

    Openly we will continue to see defiant hatred and a refusal to be cowed but inside they are broken and defeated. The game is over.

     

     

    That doesn’t make us the ‘peepil’..that’s a wish born out of deep insecurity. We are progressive, confident and ambitious. Therefore we should focus on looking forward to continued growth and presence on a bigger stage than small Scotland.

     

     

    Our time has come.

  20. Hot Smoked on

    ” The other way to go if you want to reuse the name of a liquidated company is to apply for the name in court. You’ve got to be quick off the mark though – this application must be submitted within 7 days of the company going into liquidation.”

     

     

    Did the old Rangers ever do the above?

     

     

    ernie lynch

     

    Nice one re Amanda ! Made me smile.

     

     

    JJ

  22. BOBBY MURDOCH'S CURLED-UP WINKLEPICKERS on

    ERNIELYNCH

     

     

    Hmmm…

     

     

    Reminds me of an old NME article about Amanda Lear,who was allegedly transgender,titled

     

     

    “Is a man there?”

  23. thetimreaper on

    So the SPFL Charmain speaks to the SMSM and it’s buried in the immediate aftermath of Celtic commencing their Champions League campaign. Colour me surprised. What an arrogant pr**k by the way.

  24. A Ceiler Gonof Rust on

    BRTH, have you changed your phone / number.

     

     

    You don’t escape me that easily:_)

  25. Joe Filippis Haircut on

    Good Morning Bhoys it must be the start of the Glasgow fair as it is raining here in Central Scotland.I enjoyed yesterdays game it was a walk in the park for Celtic another step towards match fitness for the players. H.H.

  26. BIG-CUP-WINNERS on

    WEEBAWBABITTY

     

     

    Injure a celtic player ? That was their “game” last night too.

     

     

    Immediately prior to the 90th minute assault on Armstrong, he’d been similarly caught really late and took a sore one.

  27. dessybhoy on

    Topping leaving and giving it a big get it up you’se, we can do what we like, well NOW is the time in the absence of the clubs to bring this to a head, no away tickets bought, no attendance at their showpiece cup games, individuals should stop spending in their companies who sponsor the corrupt game here,His own is William Hill bookmakers, if possible our players do not play for the SFA 11.

     

    These guys are hiding , up to their necks in corruption, they would rather the game as a competition is destroyed than deal with the historical tax evasion and cheating of one club that is in liquidation, not even in existence.

     

    TWC you hinted last night something is in the pipeline I hope that pipeline is complete, the welds inspected and we are ready to go.

  29. ziggydoc1 on

    CULTSBHOY SAYS HAIL HAIL TO HECTOR AND BRENDAN on 15TH JULY 2017 9:47 AM

     

    There’s a danger of games last night inciting hatred in the hearts of our supporters towards Huns. If we let that happen we become no better than they are.

     

    ________________________________

     

     

    Spot on. There was a point last night when I was raging, looking forward to pummeling them next week. However, we should simply do a professional job and prepare ourselves for the tougher task the following week.

     

     

    I’d prefer Dundalk of course, however Rosenberg have started their season well and will be a tough obstacle for us if they progress.

     

     

    We still need a better centre back.

  30. dessybhoy on

    Another thing the priest, who is no longer a priest and worked for Pan Am which no longer exists. I smell the brown stuff in a big heap

  31. KINGLUBO on

    For centuries now, man has been searching for the missing link. Last night, Eureka, we found it.

     

     

    That scum should be banned, what an embarrassment to mankind 21st Century my arse.

     

    KINGLuBO

  32. 67 European Cup Winners on

    If it was The Tour de Scotland Lance Armstrong would still be wearing the yellow jersey

     

    67ECW

  33. Cultsbhoy says Hail Hail to Hector and Brendan on

    Ziggydoc1

     

     

    Agree re centre back..in fact if you want that position covered to the level of all other positions in the team I would contend we need 2 better than what we have.

     

     

    Imo our centre backs are lesser players than other team members.

     

     

    I’m really keen to see James Forrest be pushed by Jonny Hayes. Forrest has enormous natural talent and pace he just coasts it for me. He needs a push to be more decisive and confident. There were several points yesterday he was in great position to break beyond the last line of defence and strike but opted to cut back. Hayes is naturally less talented but he’s used to being a match winner and therefore is defaulted to going for it. I hope he can pass that on or if not assume the position as his own.

  34. thetimreaper on

    You see the old adage at Hampden is still in play, look after Rangers* and Scottish football takes care of itself. It’s all very well saying this will damage Scottish football and what have you but the fact is other clubs fans may walk away but the Huns will still turn up. Ultimately, they will be the winners here. They get to say the are the same Club and keep their trophies that they cheated to win, at least in the eyes of the authorities and the SMSM. What are we going to do about it?

  35. BOBBY MURDOCH'S CURLED-UP WINKLEPICKERS on

    KINGLUBO

     

     

    Every away match,half of CQN is searching for a missing link.

  36. NegAnon2 on

    BRTH et al. The gig is up. If this is their response then they can keep the rotting husk that is Scottish football. They have systematically run the game into the ground by championing the cause of the Hun above all else. They can shove it.

     

     

    And if Celtic don’t do anything then that’s the end of Celtic too.

     

     

    It is clear that they intend to bury this and carry on cheating.

     

     

    I want no part of it.

  37. thomthethim for Oscar OK on

    Would that be the same solicitor who advised Murray that he would win the BTC ?

  40. Moonbeamswd on

    “We [the SPFL board] sat with him on what must have been four occasions – and he was challenged from everyone,” said Topping.

     

     

    “We wanted to make sure we were ready for any challenges subsequently. And I think we are. I think we are.

     

     

     

    Considering Peter Lawell is a member of the SPFL board the above comments by RaGERSlph Topping is off considerable interest.

     

     

    MWD

  42. Gordon64 on

    Neg 2 Systemic cheating and bigotry has been an intrinsic part of Scottish football and wider society since long before we were born. The times are very slowly but surely changing. Play the long game mate. Hh

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