I was pretty nonplussed when Bobby Madden was appointed for our game against Newco at Celtic Park last season. His favourite team is neither here nor there, but elements of his performance gave grounds for concern.
He should have red carded Jason Holt for his dangerous lunge on Patrick Roberts. The same card should have been shown to Clint Hill and awarded a penalty for the scything of Leigh Griffiths. Kenny Miller could have been sent off for a two-footed lunge at Stuart Armstrong. These incidents were not merely in favour of one team, they could clearly affect betting markets.
Money can be made on more than just the result in football games. You can bet on a red card being awarded, or not. If Madden awarded Celtic that late penalty, he would had no choice but to dismiss (already booked) Hill. The Halliday challenge had to either be ignored, or result in a sending off. So Madden didn’t even award a foul.
For a man with the length and extent of Bobby Madden’s gambling issue, this raises red flags. Thousands can be made on knowing the outcome of a seemingly innocuous element of a game of football – like ‘Will there be a red card?’ Only for the game against Newco at Celtic Park, there was nothing innocuous about that question.
Madden cost Celtic two points the last time these teams met at Celtic Park and stopped our then-18 game winning run. Betting markets were influenced at the same time. I fear we are in for more of the same tomorrow.
The SFA have a duty of care to ensure our game is clean of betting influence, this must include a clear acknowledgement of referees gambling histories. I’d avoid betting on tomorrow’s game, it is susceptible to unusual events.
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gambling irregularities – come on, its’ just banter.
Paul67
Very serious allegations that should require Madden to be removed from suspicion until SFA investigate.
If this is a sign Celtic are playing hardball then it’s about time.
The SFA are an incompetent shower of lying bassas. The evidence is there but removing them depending on processes that they control is not working. Four months since the Compliance Officer started to investigate the UEFA licence process an 201. Those who have seen the evidence know it was obtained by deceit. The only question is how deep and far does it go.
It’s high time Celtic took their concerns to UEFA about the negative impact the SFA failure to govern fairly and apply club licensing properly is having on Scottish football.
How all clubs can ask their supporters to pay to watch a corrupt game is beyond me, but as long as the majority of supporters are happy to pay to be shafted nothing will change.
A boycott of ST purchases until reliable assurances are given that the game is clean really needs to be threatened in the new year.
A delay in take up of just one month will not harm Celtic but it would focus the minds of the Directors of other clubs with no appetite to rake over the coals.
Mmmm-
Surprised -so Much so I sent it to a retired barrister pal-
His response-
“There is some wriggle space but if the author was a client of Mine -I’d Really want to see the evidence-“
He would have to use proxy accounts as no bookie would take a football bet from him directly.
What happened to the Bobby Madden season ticket money?
Mike in Toronto
Time we fought fire with fire imo.
They use normal processes to protect themselves whilst being quite prepared to engage in skullduggery.
An example of which with regard to the Traverso reply of June 2016 can be read half way down this article.
https://www.sfm.scot/who-is-conning-whom/
There is a criminal element involved in our game.
“For a man with the length and extent of Bobby Madden’s gambling issue, this raises red flags”
Wow!
I had to read that sentence a number of times to take it in. In a place so heavily scrutinised as CQN I have to take that statement as being irrefutable as the consequences of it being fake news are enormous.
Which raises the following questions for me:
1) How well known is this gambling issue. Seems like I am not the only one reading this for the first time.
2) If so well known, did the betting companies investigate any patterns of betting on (no) red cards in that game
3) Was the ref following “instructions”?
4) Surely he wouldn’t be stupid enough to be covering his own bet?
Astonished of forehead doesn’t even come close.
Auldheid.
I know it is a well discussed / debated topic. How do we inflict damage on other clubs without collateral injury to Celtic.
I don’t attend away games. There are two reasons. Well both the same reason actually. One – it’s nigh on impossible to get a ticket. Two – I yearn for the old days, 70s and early 80s, when you (or your father) would wake up on the morning of an away game and decide whether to go or not.
I remember such a decision being taken about a game away to Arbroath. Fortunately the weather was favourable and the usual crowd of relatives all made the journey up to that lovely wee place. Pay at the gate.
Never once did we get denied entry due to a full house. Yet the grounds were often full.
Sure, we all know why that doesn’t happen anymore. All seated stadiums and all that. I do regret that my sons never got to experience what I did.
Oops. Meant to conclude.
Boycotting or limiting the number of fans going to away games is the only recourse I can see.
But my sympathy lies with those who are the “travelling Celtic support”. Only they can determine if that action is acceptable.
If ye hold street parties, when ye get a crowd funded “statement” saying that, Sevco / Rainjurs are different clubs, printed in an obscure hun newspaper, that is read by two guys and a dug, and then, when ye get the chance, to prove the “statement” that got printed in the hun newspaper, will be backed up by resisting any switcheroo, like an attempt to charge you, £49 Same Club Old Firm Lie tickets, which you gleefully pay, how, ah mean, how, can you seriously moan when the Old Firm Chicanery dug comes racing doon the track tae bite ye oan yer Old Firm ticket paying erse ?
I know that every Cellic supporter who’ll be going the morra, didn’t pay £49 for Old Firm tickets at ibrokes, but, how many “statements” were crowd funded to prevent Celtic supporters from being lured into the, £49 Old Firm Same Club Trap Tickets ?
Or, was it viewed as a must have ticket, made all the easier as, Brendan, the PLC’s Same Club Fudge, skelped awe the pub teams in his midst ?
Ye see, ye canny, on one hand,……..
queue up to buy £49 Old Firm Same Club Lie PLC Trap Tickets, and then jump oot the pram when the Old Firm MIBs refuse tae wear veil’s tae hide thur hatred. Remember, back in the days when they wore veils ;
Ah know that, the morra will probably no matter about MIBs n stuff.
But, whit aboot the day when Brendan couldny git roon the Murty bus, earlier in the year, and LG was mibberied oot a penalty, late in the game, then big Clint Hill stole a point ?
Or, whit aboot when Brendan isn’t here anymore, and Lawwell has brought in anither RD type puppet, to allow the Sevco / Rainjurs to git nearer us, to make it look competitive ?
Sooner, or later, Celtic supporters will realize that, paying £49 for Old Firm Same Club Lie PLC TrapTickets, places them, probably no more than a rung above the ibrokes gullibillies.
Nobody will say that, yet, so, ah’ll take the tanking for saying it the noo.
See when ye really, really, really look back on it, who died first ?
The Celtic Football And Athletic Company 1888
Or,…..
The Rangers Football Club 1872.
Anywye,…..
……oot.
https://uk.soccerway.com/referees/bobby-madden/90594/
I have bet on cards market and corners markets for several years.
My honest opinion of Madden is that his general tendency is to be very lenient. I find he is generally reluctant to wave cards and I have won several times from him.
The problem with him comes when he is given a more high profile game (notably UEFA appointments) and players interpret his leniency as weakness. This can lead to a flurry of cards as he tries to regain control.
For example, everyone will be familiar with the scenario where Celtic players get horsed black and blue for the first 30’ and a Celtic player gets carded for his first challenge on the basis a referee has decided that the next foul gets carded.
Reference to the above site will show that Madden is generally low on cards but there are instances where he will go nuts.
None of this excuses his antics in the March 2017 game well summarised in P67 article above.
Tony the Tiger
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Like a few others, I am surprised at the editorial.
I had never heard this discussed before.
Quite disturbing.
Him being an ex season ticket holder was no great surprise but for any ref to have a gambling habit, well alarm bells are ringing.
Hail Hail
Bobby Madden brings orange ball to CP
Paul67,
Have the club ever officially raised their concerns over this particular referee with the authorities before?
I wouldn’t expect much of a response if they did, I just wondered if it had been raised previously.
Utter rubbish. Embarrassing stuff
Sevco goals this season – 41
Celtic’s midfield – 44
Last game we played Them at Celtic Park Madden was ref and i believe
was demoted the following week to 1st divison/championship game.
(sure they will say rotated)
So how do they reward him give him next game at Celtic park.
hmmmmmmmmmmmm
makes sense to me
So let me get this straight. We have a referee who is a member/ex member of an anti Catholic organisation, an ex season ticket holder at Ibrox, a referee with an alleged gambling problem, the same referee with form for giving questionable decisions against Celtic and particularly when playing against sevco, and he is due to referee the game tomorrow?
Hmmmmm.
Oi fink moi bosses at Free Six Foive need to ‘ave a Butchers at any UNUSUAL gambling patterns tomorra.
Know wot oi mean like.
Lawd luvva duck!
Auldheid
I would be thinking along similar lines to you that the club are indirectly calling them out, this has, or should open the can, but the smsm will say nada and the sfa and the like will pray it just fades away into the background, now if it is an indirect dig, private detectives wouldn’t take too long to suss these thins out, it would be pointless just leaving it at one article, bring them down.
Oh how I pray the sfa et all want rid of us, officially that is, let us go and they can indulge in their sectarian corrupt crap all day long as far as I am concerned.
HH
Possibly the most potentially explosive article CQN has published?
I can’t imagine a blogger of P67’s intelligence or experience would post something
which is at best controversial and at worst defamatory without the evidence to back it up , if or , more likely, when it’s challenged.
Since there seems to be nothing in the public domain about Madden having any gambling issue the information is , presumably , privately sourced but stands up.
If it’s true and sufficiently serious that it would justify a recommendation not to gamble on a game BM is officiating then IMHO the information should be passed to the SFA , via Celtic, for action.
Why wait until 20 hours before a game to publish accusations? Why not last week, last month, last year???
Vagincore 4.40
Serious question, as I am intrigued by this story.
How do you know it’s utter rubbish and embarrassing?
Hail Hail
Sevco should have had two players sent off last week. Tavernier two book able fouls. John not booked after going into the crowd. As for the ref somehow “missing” the handball v Hibs…..
Can’t see us winning by more than three or four.
This editorial is one of the strongest I have seen on CQN, a site usually associated with a less emotive, more considered view of Scottish football. I’m betting (get it) that Paul has sufficient evidence to back this up meaning a very important issue has been thrown open to the world, or at least to an environment where those in charge do their utmost to cover up anything that doesnt suit the RFC narrative. This puts pressure on to Madden for tomorrows game- and he will hear of it, as will the SFA who are likely to do SFA about it. Seems to me it’s a play fair, because we are watching you, warning to the Ibrox loving whistler.
Vagincore, are you Bobby Madden, what are the odds that you are?
The FA have access to EPL refs bank accounts, if they are 1 penny in debt, they come off the list.Clattengerg was off it for a while , as a company he had was in serious debt.
Gary67
Why not ?
Maybes the info has just been established, but as has been said, I very much doubt Paul is whistling in the wind with this one.
Referees, I actually hate them, I don’t want to, but I do, when I was a wean and decided that Celtic were the team for me, my Da tried to disuade me from following Celtic, his reasoning was that I would end up broken hearted cos of corrupt masonic referees, how right he was, this was back in the early 60s.
Mr Stein once said that we should stick the ball in the net more times than the oppo to take the referees out of the equation, how wrong he was.
HH
Madden cost Celtic two points the last time these teams met at Celtic Park and stopped our then-18 game winning run. Betting markets were influenced at the same time. I fear we are in for more of the same tomorrow.
The SFA have a duty of care to ensure our game is clean of betting influence, this must include a clear acknowledgement of referees gambling histories. I’d avoid betting on tomorrow’s game, it is susceptible to unusual events.
*and that’s why there’ll be nae humphin the morra even though we are light years ahead of them on and off the field.
Cast your mind back tae humphins in the past, 7-1 the huns were CLEAR favourites for this one, they had a brand new shining up and coming future Scotland centre half, one who we had tried tae buy tae replace Jock while we had an average height converted right half who had initially been an inside right in that position with another converted inside forward at right half.
Both Charles Patrick and Bobby had been at the fisticuffs prior to this game and reserve right back John Donnelly, who only played a total of 31 games in 7 years, was drafted in for the injured Peter Goldie who the following Saturday was back in the side against the HI Hi at Cathkin and the Saturday after was in the team picture with the cup wearing the Shamrock strip as we gubbed kilmasonic 4-0.
John was up against South African internationalist johnny hubbard, the only foreign born hun to score a hat trick against us, including the customary penalty. As Bruce Forsyth would say “didn’t he do well”.
After a spell in the wilderness which my mother always surmised was payback for “hampden in the sun” the first 5-1 game, in our lifetime, we had just gubbed Morton 8-1 on Christmas day and the Bully Wee 3-1 at Shawfield to open the year but still trailed deidco, equal on points with a game in hand but behind on goal average. There was no clear favourite for this game as deidco had gubbed the harry wraggs on the Saturday 4-0, there was a joyous air in Parkheid that day though we went a goal down early doors and emerged winners by 5 going on 10, top of the league with still that game in hand.
Next gubbin was the George Connelly show at hunden, with both Jinky, suspended after picking up his 3rd yellow of the season after it was found out that “we don’t need yer colin stein” would be banned for the final, the Bear was injured and “Oh Harry Harry” was cup tied. They were huge favourites and had even arranged for a party complete with flute bawn at hades after the game. This was our 1st SC Final win over them in 65 years and their 1st SC Final loss in 39. This was as durty a game that you’ll ever see and how sir furious remained on the park is one of those sorrowful mysteries; the only player booked was Brogie. The referee incidentally was Jim Callaghan, a highly rated FIFA official, in the days before the bonkle double glazing salesman, who 4 months later waddle would have hounded out of the game.
It would be another 29 years before we enjoyed another profound win over them. With an on loan goalie we were given no chance against a disgusting financial cheatin hun side, this was going tae be a cakewalk for them, especially when we had an old dud Czech (© the buddie who was abused by naesurname on camera) in the side. As bawface on snyde said “Josef Venglos will live to regret his decision to play this unknown Slovakian ahead of Mark Burchill in such a vital game.”
2 years later and after a disastrous season, even though we won the LC, the huns had won the league by 21 pints and an 18 GD over us, in 3rd place were the calvinists 36 points and 63 GD behind them. They then went on a spending spree throwing OPM, especially taxpayers, around like a man with no erms, including the folly that is bader park. This was the summer of the spikey shoes article.
Again we had no chance; however, we now had MON who had asked the players beforehand did they think they could beat deidco, a no answer meant you were out of the side, he also told them he would tell the smsm a wee lie that” deidco were the benchmark”. Unknown tae us, wee bammy said they knew they were going tae lose in the tunnel as the Celtic players were pumped up and banging on the walls.
Now although we have in recent years inflicted some heavy defeats on them, in all of the games I have noted above we have never been favourites and in some heavy underdogs. There have been times when we have talked of gubbins, cricket scores etc. Never happened and no just because they weren’t that good but mostly naesurnames park the bus philosophy as well as honest mistakes.
Tomorrow is one of these games if we give them a hiding they will go on a tail spin unlikely to recover. Don’t forget our players being told that on the advice of the polis we were tae slow down the scoring for fear of violence. The ludge will be in full distress mode and madhun with his record had been selectively chosen for this game, hell has no fury like a breest barer scorned. 1-0 will do for me under the circumstances.
He hasn’t been placing his bets with Betdaq has he?
I see the accusation is being discussed on Follow Follow but has not made it onto Rangers Media yet.
Bet he doesn’t use Dafabet, more likely 32RED.
Congrats to James Gang and the woman who has agreed to put up with him for the future :-)
GARY67 on 29TH DECEMBER 2017 5:00 PM
Why wait until 20 hours before a game to publish accusations? Why not last week, last month, last year???
why wait till the day of a game v huns to tell us a CELTIC player had not paid his parking fines. ah mean tae say BIG WHAL …….noo that is a serious crime.
regieblinkeredrefcsc.
BOURNESOUPRECIPE on 29TH DECEMBER 2017 4:35 PM
Bobby Madden brings orange ball to CP
Singular?
TONTINE TIM on 29TH DECEMBER 2017 5:10 PM
Great read on a cold, snowy and windy day!
Thanks!
T
Glendaly’s
I’ll set them up
A few words on the adventures of our German friends, who by now, will have arrived in Glasgow, ahead of tomorrow’s derby game.
They arrived in UK on Tuesday morning, and headed to Wembley to watch Tottenham beat Southampton 5-2, following which, they headed for the airport to fly to Aberdeen, where on Wednesday evening, they endured “a very cold stadium and a rubbish match” as The Dons trounced Partick Thistle 1-0.
Thursday was a day off – from football anyway. I suspect they were still sampling Tennents Lager in many of the Granite City’s finest hostelries ( well, after I dragged them round some of the less salubrious establishments in town – purely so they could meet some real Aberdonians – i hope they didn’t leave here thinking that all bars are like The Old Kings Highway, or The Market Arms ).
This morning they left Aberdeen for Glasgow on the train. Not a day off from football for these guys though. Mannfred and Tomas will be in Paisley tonight to watch St Mirren Face Dundee Utd.
Big Maddes, a friend of our own Delaneys Dunky, is going slightly further afield for the next football ground for his collection. Morecambe v Yeovil is his choice of Friday night entertainment.
Tomorrow, they will be at Celtic Park – not their first visit i think, but their first Glasgow derby against Scotlands newest SPFL club. They will be at CQN corner from 10.45 am to collect tickets provided by some of our friends from the blog. Step forward and take a bow, Jamesgang, Settingfreethebears and Hebcelt, who have gone out of their way to make sure they had tickets to the game. Also Jobo Baldie, take a bow. You too have been unbelievably helpful in making sure that someone was able to collect tickets from those not attending ( more important things to do, eh James ;-) ) and make sure that the tickets are delivered to the right hands. I could have been at the game tomorrow, but choose not to go anywhere Sevco are allowed to ‘play’, so I’m immensely grateful to Jobo for his involvement.
If you’re at the corner tomorrow, introduce yourselves to them……Maddes is very recognisable…he’s at least as big as Jamesgang and twice as broad ( not quite so handsome though). They’ll be delighted to meet you. Some of you will know Maddes from Munchen already. They know Celtic, and they know Celtic fans. I hope tomorrow they witness something really special, and they leave Celtic Park with great memories of Celtic and our fans. These are true ‘football fans’ and they deserve a day to remember.
Finally, there was one other ticket made available from a gentleman on the blog who can’t make it tomorrow. JF, you know who you are. I’m very grateful for the offer of your ticket, and you deserve as much thanks as the guys who’s tickets are being used tomorrow. Thank You.