There is usually a fair amount of hysteria after a Celtic defeat, sometimes after a draw, but the reaction since Saturday has largely been grounded in measured concern. Even in the darkest days of the 90s, when Oldco Rangers were at their peak, we could always lay a glove on them. It was bad.
The question is, what now? We won eight out of nine domestic games going into the weekend but the manner tightness of several of those wins did not inspire, were it not for late goals against St Johnstone and Dundee United, your worries would be significantly greater today.
Priority when you suffer a bad defeat is to stop things from getting worse. That means going to Aberdeen on Sunday and winning. It is not self-flagellation to say we need this game at Pittodrie. We need to go to one of the best teams in the league and get a win.
We endured many bad results in the 90s, but, if you are old enough, you will remember how there would usually be a backlash to a Celtic defeat. Whoever we played next saw the consequences of all that pain. We need to get in touch with that sentiment on Sunday. Use the pain.
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No rush today
Use the pain? Was or is there any? por cierto
Surely the priority is for the board to find out the cause of the debacle.
Still a sickening feel in the pit of the stomach. can see it lasting for quite a long time. Of course excuses can be made with so many missing but our hunger and determination was not there. Serious pressure on now and win at Aberdeen now is a must.
I really don’t see the point in these motivational speeches.
79CAPS on 19TH OCTOBER 2020 12:19 PM
‘Surely the priority is for the board to find out the cause of the debacle.’
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That might require more self reflection than they are capable of.
Your blog, your lead article.
My opinion of the article is that it’s a little flat. Vanilla.
No real insight, analysis or critical thinking.
‘We must win at Pittodrie’ – is that pretty much what we’re saying here?
Hhmmmm
Paul 67 et al,
We have an important game on the 22nd. Long before the game at Pitrodrie.
Have we flung the towel in ?
If so our expectancy and lack of ambition is a mega cause for concern.
Are our main domestic rivals so downbeat about a crucial European adventure?
HH.
I agree to an extent Paul67 but if we are set up with the same failings, no amount of discretionary efforts or cajoling will help:
-Duffy as the ball playing CH wasting distribution.
-Frimpong as our only pacey outlet and therefore easily countered.
-The Ntcham, Callum and Scott experiment that doesn;t work.
-One forward or one supported by a midfielder.
-Etc, etc
By this stage we should have a discernible pattern to our play and an identity on the park. We look constantly in pre-season mode. I fear we will also look to the trusted go-to guys to get us out of the hole when some of them are out of form, funk or whatever malaise has hit us.
I hate to go to the rumour mill but given previous at Hibs and Bolton, has Neil lost some of the dressing room again? Feels like it.
What a mess.
HH
I only hope that whatever uncertainty there is at the club is resolved quickly and we go on to clear that most difficult of hurdles…the 10…after that I couldn’t give a monkey’s…
Stop greeting and get on with the challenge ahead.
We have had it our own way for so long that some fans have no idea what it is like to be uncertain as to whether we will be good enough to win a championship.
I have faith that our manager will get us going again and we will win the league.
I might be wrong because CLEARLY the opposition are light years ahead of any opposition we have faced in recent times domestically.
A Celtic civil war shitstorm however is a almost certain to make life easier on the blue half of glasgow.
Why not stick together?..get as many points as we can and make sure we ask the question of the bottle and nerve of gerrard and his team.
We all know what happened to them last season when they thought they were getting close.
Paul67 I always look to your message the same way I do when Politicians are telling me stuff
There is usually a message from the boss
In CQN this means PL
So the message today – forget Saturday lets move on to Sunday
Meaning NL stays nothing changes
In PL we trust (I am a fan but he is pushing my patience)
BUT lose or draw Sunday the mountain to climb becomes very slippery
67ECW
The team has been poor all season and a malaise has enveloped the whole squad.
Is it down to the manager and coaching staff. I believe so. Lennys insistence of not playing 2 strikers and persisting with Ncham and Elyounoussi who offer little if anything leaves us 2 men down. Both flatter to deceive and it’s no coincidence they were both substituted early on Saturday. Lenny should have made changes at half time. Griff has let the team and fans down during lockdown by not being fit to play. Duffy has yet to get up to speed. Granted there are COVID issues and injuries but this malaise has been there since the season started. This result has been in the post for sometime.
LazyD,
Agreed, they did implode last year – I would rather not have to be hoping they implode to feel confident about winning the league.
I also reckon the pressure won’t be as great for them if there are no fans in the stadiums
Get Turbull into the midfield
HH
BGFC
KEVIN O DEAR
Welcome to CQN 👍
BIG GEORGES FAN CLUB – HAIL, HAIL, WEE OSCAR on 19TH OCTOBER 2020 12:38 PM
“Get Turnbull into the midfield”
Yes, the whole system needs changed though. No point in putting the lad into something that’s already failing., por cierto
ERNIE LYNCH on 19TH OCTOBER 2020 12:19 PM
from previous thread
I did not say he has left us with a good legacy !!
I said he has kept us financially secure – and he has
I am no PL cheerleader
But the reason we are now chasing a bust club is because of our Manager (and I was not happy about him getting the job in the shower) Our performance on Saturday and most of this season are down to NL
And just to clarify my view on NL A legend of a man who deserves respect and dignity from all at Celtic
But our objective (well mine anyway) is to win 10
From what I have seen so far this season we will struggle to win 10 unless something changes
67ECW
Paul67
Good shout.
Lennon bashing is the devils work, he’s in situ and we need him to stand up and do his job, 52,000 season tickets holders of a log in, have done theirs.
A road to recovery is an immediate return to a back four with two recognised full backs, which has to be be El Hamed and Laxalt.
I’d play Welsh in a four until El Hamed recovers and the sooner Jullien is back to partner Ajer, the better.
3-5-2 hasn’t worked all season especially when one of the two strikers up top isn’t recognised as such. Why we use it I can only assume is because as I’ve previously posted our full backs aren’t full backs. There are few if any top clubs that play with three centre backs, if you find one who do, then they’ll be three better CB’s than we have, and the wing backs are Pauli Muldiniesque.
Not difficult to see why Southampton can afford to offload El Younoussi for two seasons, not much of a consolation prize for the conspicuous absence of Fraser Foster.
So it’s 4-4-2 with two out and out strikers or 4-5-1 hopefully with Edouard.
Christie and Rogic should walk into the side after Saturday’s midfield flop and along with Ntcham’s deserved benching the captain should also be used far more sparingly because he’s another, low contributor.
The oncoming three away games in the SPL will shape our season, the Europa is more than ever just an inconvenience.
Down with the return of the sieve CSC
p.s. Milan, Sparta, and Lille all top of their respective leagues this morning
Muldiniesque.
Not difficult to see why Southampton can afford to offload El Younoussi for two seasons, not much of a consolation prize for the conspicuous absence of Fraser Foster.
So it’s 4-4-2 with two out and out strikers or 4-5-1 hopefully with Edouard.
Christie and Rogic should walk into the side after Saturday’s midfield flop and along with Ntcham’s deserved benching the captain should also be used far more sparingly because he’s another, low contributor.
The oncoming three away games in the SPL will shape our season, the Europa is more than ever just an inconvenience.
We need Neil Lennon to stand up now and do his job.
Down with the return of the sieve CSC
MAJESTIC HARTSON on 19TH OCTOBER 2020 12:35 PM
I agree.
However the one thing we do not want to do is make life easy for them.
If we can stay as close as possible if we cannot be top of the league.
To me things can change.
My horror scenario is a full scale meltdown by our support if we drop some points soon or for example on sunday at Aberdeen.
So much of this season is yet to be played out.Even if they open up a genuine 5 point or so gap it would be madness to start calling for the head of our manager.
I beg all celtic fans who support Lenny for the job or not to get behind him 100% until it is realistically impossible for us to win the league.
Not only is it the right thing to do for someone who has done so much for this club.It remains our best prospect of getting the 10 in a row dream completed.
Winning on Sunday means absolutely nothing. We didn’t lose on Sunday we surrendered to a team of waifs and strays apart from one or two.
This is the team that will provide the challenge for the ten and we didn’t even roll up our sleeves.
Hail Hail
Stay safe
Get this wan in, get that wan out.
The only thing that changes is the name. Those on the outside looking in are the new saviours – Turnbull who looked lost when played in Perth, Mikey Johnston’s return to the wing when the kid was lambasted for being lightweight, etc etc.
When that doesn’t click, then let’s get this wan out and that wan in.
It’s the system fellas. The talent is there, maybe not evenly distributed but being badly deployed / motivated.
HH
Why has it come to this?
How did we get to this point?
What is the cause of this malaise?
Things are unlikely to improve until these questions are answered and properly addressed.
oops bring back the wee bin
Carry on carrying on then? Pathetic. We have not kicked a ball this season apart from against Hibs yet somehow Lennon will inspire us to victory on Sunday and all will be well. Bury you rhed in the sand CSC.
Paul, you are repeating what WGS said on Saturday.
I’m afraid the only way things will change, is if manager and coaching staff are cleared out.
Head
Today’s P67’s piece is noticeable for what it doesn’t contain. No attempt to defend Neil or resist calls for his removal.
Dark days indeed. Then next few weeks will determine the ten.
Paul speaks of the Celtic backlash in the 90’s. Do the players really have the willingness to do that. Saturday was a chance to put a marker down in the hunt for the ten. They failed. Some looked like it meant nothing, the manager showed no emotion and spoke about us having a good first half. ….win lose or draw on Sunday the season ahead looks fraught with things as they are now.
BOURNESOUPRECIPE on 19TH OCTOBER 2020 12:43 PM
Part of your post was well worth 2 prints :)) por cierto
POR CIERTO on 19TH OCTOBER 2020 12:40 PM
BIG GEORGES FAN CLUB – HAIL, HAIL, WEE OSCAR on 19TH OCTOBER 2020 12:38 PM
“Get Turnbull into the midfield”
Yes, the whole system needs changed though. No point in putting the lad into something that’s already failing., por cierto
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Agree – too busy at work to type out the whole masterplan :-)))
HH
BGFC
From last thread, Welcome to Kevin O’Dear, lovely first post, Don’t be a stranger Kevin, keep posting.
Pleased to see everyone has calmed down and there is now a much more focused analytical debate on our problems.
Like others I would be very concerned if there has been a breakdown in relationship between Julien & the Manager, I certainly hope it’s just another one if these fake rumours.
We are in a hole right now, As has been said by many it’s not that we lost a Derby game, it’s the manner in which we lost,
The fact that we have such a testing run of games ahead of us might e a blessing in disguise.
It is a sink or swim situation.
Manager & team either redeem themselves or if not the Board should take decisive action,
BIG GEORGES FAN CLUB – HAIL, HAIL, WEE OSCAR on 19TH OCTOBER 2020 12:59 PM
WORK! This is no time with menial tasks like earning a living, come on! :)) por cierto
Lou Macari took a team to Ibrox and got a result, this at the time of the old Rangers who were bankrolled, we have spent a relative fortune and the manger cannot get a team on the park to at least have shot at Sevcos goal, we have a squad but no team or method of playing that is down to the manager and coaches, that is before we look at the morale and who is willing to put their shoulder to the wheel, it looks absent to me.
ST TAMS on 19TH OCTOBER 2020 12:45 PM
“I’m afraid the only way things will change, is if manager and coaching staff are cleared out.”
If that is your plan going forward from this point then they might as well drop the league trophy off at Ibrox on the way to the airport.
Faithful thru and thru my arse.
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Only read the article so I haven’t read any reaction. My own is that I can’t see the team reacting positively to anything, never mind Saturday’s defeat. My deepest disappointment on Saturday was the total lack of team-work/tactical nous. Imo, there were no positives. It’s the flattest I’ve ever felt after being beaten by them (and in the best part of 65 years, I have experiences many lows).
Sadly, a change of management is needed and needed TODAY.
LAZYDYNAMITE on 19TH OCTOBER 2020 1:08 PM
Faithful thru and thru my arse.
Blind faithful through and though……