There is usually a fair amount of hysteria after a Celtic defeat, sometimes after a draw, but the reaction since Saturday has largely been grounded in measured concern. Even in the darkest days of the 90s, when Oldco Rangers were at their peak, we could always lay a glove on them. It was bad.
The question is, what now? We won eight out of nine domestic games going into the weekend but the manner tightness of several of those wins did not inspire, were it not for late goals against St Johnstone and Dundee United, your worries would be significantly greater today.
Priority when you suffer a bad defeat is to stop things from getting worse. That means going to Aberdeen on Sunday and winning. It is not self-flagellation to say we need this game at Pittodrie. We need to go to one of the best teams in the league and get a win.
We endured many bad results in the 90s, but, if you are old enough, you will remember how there would usually be a backlash to a Celtic defeat. Whoever we played next saw the consequences of all that pain. We need to get in touch with that sentiment on Sunday. Use the pain.
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I beg to differ Big Wavy.
You are correct re his style of play, but of course fatigue played a part in his poor display on Saturday..
From an evening kick off on the 8th to a lunchtime kick off on 17th any player would be physically & mentally drained after that schedule.
Hot Smoked. You were asking about Laxalt. He was voted our best performer by thon panel of experts that really do know their stuff, the CQN posters and lurkers ;-)
GLENDALYSTONSILS on 19TH OCTOBER 2020 2:14 PM
The Christie gambit?
watching a rerun of Saturdays game, we played it like the league was already in the bag and we didn’t really care what the score was,
and the management team hiding in the dugout chewing their fingernails,
these are big red flags that I hope PL / DD saw and are fully aware of where this might lead us
Big Wavy
“That’s just utter, simplistic nonsense fella. ”
It is , certainly a simple stark stat.
Neil lost one league game to them last season and has lost one, so far this season.
Talking of stats has Celtic By Numbers produced an analysis of the Sevco game yet. I am feeling masochistic enough to read it.
Glendalystonsils………….I watched Milan playing Shamrock Rovers a couple of weeks ago and Shamrock created a few good chances. i don’t think Celtic should underestimate their chances against the Italians. Just as you say we have to be positive.
still believe Duffy should be paired with Julien in a back 4, with Duffy making the challenges allowing Julien distributing the ball forward.
Hot Smoked:
I thought Laxalt was good. He was neat and tidy in possession and looked to get forward when he could. He got sucked in by a one two around our box in the first half but from memory that was his only error. What really left an impression was his urgency to do something, anything, when all around him looked flat.
He put in a couple of determined tackles and delivered a few deep crosses as well. Early days but he looks like a very good addition to me.
TJ
SFTB,
Nice things being said about Shane Duffy from his mates and some supporters don’t take away from the fact that he couldn’t adapt to a change in style.
Ironically an approach to the game (playing out form the back) that we wanted.
“Surplus to requirements” if it makes reject feel a bit too cold for you.
HH
CorkCelt,
I can only summise you’re Shane Duffy’s Uncle. Fair play to you but we’ll agree to disagree on the big lad.
HH
Today’s lead article infers Celtic concentrate solely on next Sunday and let what happens on Thursday happen.
If we had the focus and ambition to succeed in Europe at CL level ie last 16, the domestic scene will take care of itself.And even if the team falls slightly short and only gets to EL last 16, it will be good enough domestically.
Setting aside their off the field antics, one of the main reasons the team in South side of Glasgow failed to achieve 10 was because they put everything into the league,and had Europe as a secondary priority.
They ended up with zilch and lost league to a hastily cobbled together, lower budget team with a hunger to win and a good game plan.
Ominous
As I mentioned saturday, I dont believe the current set up is being questioned due to 1 result.
This has been coming for months.
If you believe all of the concern stems from Saturday’s game, you really haven’t been paying attention.
I feel the board need to stick or twist here.
Neil is hugely isolated with a wholly inadequate support team around him.
Mangers usually travel as head of a small team. Arrogant madness to believe we could cobble together a Lennon / Kennedy / Strachan dream team.
Doing nothing, and hoping for the best, is simply not good enough
https://twitter.com/joannadoyley/status/1318097652366663680?s=20
What would John Doyle have said this morning?
This is his daughter this morning.
YNWA
Ernie, I’m not saying he wasn’t up for the game, of course he was, but if you ever played Sport at any level, you would know the feeling if you had pushed your body too far.
It’s small margins, split second decisions, slightly out in timing but you end up having a mare.
As Hankray said earlier he was the fulcrum of a mediocre defense that had conceded one goal in 300 minutes of International Football in previous 3 games and the goal conceded was purely a bad goalkeeping error which no defense could be blamed for,
Hot Smoked
Laxalt looked pretty decent. He and the young lad from the youth team were the only real pluses.
Polish Paddy worked hard, to no great avail, and with little service.
For me, NFL’s time is up. He should have been left to finish his shower after the cup final, and sent off with huge thanks and a tidy win bonus.
Last time I saw him animated and involved pitch side at Celtic park, he was managing Hibs.
The concern goes deeper and broader….ie onto the pitch. No drive. No fire. No guile. And little evident anger at being so easily ‘owned’ by a very ordinary (but well organised) sevco side.
Chat about moving Scott Brown into some kind of managerial role. I see real positives in this option. Question is, has he also lost the dressing room?
HH jg
SFTB,
Sorry fella. It’s nonsense. You know full well what the narrative is about the team, our performance, our exit in europe, our decline versus the Huns and the evidence mounting over a sustained period about our manager.
JucoJames has put something out (Twitter), sadly underplayed given the sheer ferocity of abuse and trolling he has suffered for having the audacity to share a view based on some stats.
HH
ERNIE
Christie may or may not be one of the malcontents depending on who you listen to . He cannot be blamed for Saturday”s debacle and I wouldn’t accuse him of not trying a leg , although I would blame him for being rather selfish at times .
Maybe more accurate to call it the Charlie Christie gambit .
SETTING FREE THE BEARS FOR RES. 12 & OSCAR KNOX on 19TH OCTOBER 2020 2:31 PM
Neil has had two big tests this season: Sevco and the Hungarians and blown them both.
£35m spent after inheriting a double treble winning team. Still, we beat Accies and just got by against world class Sarajevo.
The lowering of standards to justify a failing position is risible.
I also thought Laxalt was good but I don’t think he is a left back more of a left sided attacking midfielder
BIG WAVY on 19TH OCTOBER 2020 2:21 PM
CorkCelt, Duffy’s deficiencies are nothing to do with fatigue. He’s not a ball-playing CH. We all knew that before saturday.
He’s a backs against the wall, body in the way, threat in both boxes kinda guy.He’s surplus at Brighton as they want to play football from the back.
*Rolling Stone also alluded tae this reason for Brighton loaning him out.
However, what was their reason for binning the 2 goal scorer on Saturday. In his 3 seasons with them he only played 42 games scoring 1 more goal than he did 2 days ago.
He allegedly has a heart defect and has zero international appearances.
Big Shane is only on loan and as you say signed as a stopper in the Mick McCarthy mold as it was deemed on this lhist and others we had too many ball players at the back for the rough and tumble of the SPL.
Shane also joined the Seagulls a year after golden balls yet has played 130 games scoring 8 goals; ok he’s had 1 season longer at the Falmer Stadium.
He has made numerous appearances with the black north and Republic under age sides plus 38 with 4 goals scored for the “big” Republic side.
He’ll come good for us once the dust settle although what alarmed me prior to the game was his saying that sevco were the deserved favourites. What did he know that we didnae.
As Uncle Jimmy said “there’s something rotten in the state of dennistoun”.
Points after 10 games:
Season Points GD
20-21 25 18
19-20 25 25
18-19 22 16
17-18 26 19
16-17 28 23
15-16 24 16
14-15 20 15
If we think about the first 10 games as an opening gambit it’s fair to say that this isn’t the type of start that costs you a championship. In fact I’d say its fairly decent.
Oh well looks like the FM isn’t getting the blame today.
Hankray
Agree, I’d be happy to see Shane Duffy in a four, but as one of three CB’s his game is exposed.
I don’t think 3-5-2 helps our overall plight but you could have played any formation you wanted on Saturday and the result would have been the same.
Before anything else in football, you need to compete mentally and physically, we’ve stopped doing that and haven’t been doing it since pre season humpings in France. Any slight rise in the grade of teams we’ve played, see Europe and Sevco for the outcome.
Saturday was on the cards because we’ve staggered past SPL sides, in between.
Calling for Neil Lennon’s head ? well grown men, I ask you.
Not at all Big Wavy, if you don’t rate Shane that is perfectly all right.
I have watched him many times putting in heroic performances for Ireland, was thrilled when he was signed.
I believed he would do very well in the rough house SPFL games and felt he would bring leadership & organization to defense,
I thought generally he had done well up to Saturday but concede he was very poor against the Huns,
Obviously he knows it himself and was the only player to apologize to the fans,
I was merely pointing out his schedule over 10 days and suggesting fatigue had to be a contributory factor.
End of the line for our French dynamic duo by the sounds of it
Ajeti and Klimala look as good as any, Griff providing bak up.
Turnbull and Rogic in midfield
Julian back.
That’s enough to win 10 for me
I made Laxalt my #1 pick for CQN poty , which may not mean much in the context of Saturday’s game . I think there were promising signs both offensively and defensively, with the bonus of a sweet crossing left peg .
If the others on the pitch had approached the game the way he and Welsh did , we might have had a happier outcome.
67 EUROPEAN CUP WINNERS on 19TH OCTOBER 2020 2:13 PM
AKBW1888 on 19TH OCTOBER 2020 1:46 PM
In one of my previous, frustrated, angry, trying to be sensible posts after Saturday – I did say we had 2 options
Option 1 – look to get a tried and tested and more importantly available manager now
Yes I know it’s easy to write that sentence on here, but actually getting one is a big task for PL
But the world is not short of Football Managers
My preference/level starts at Eddie Howe includes Chris Houghton wanders to Steve Clarke is agreeable to Michael O’Neill and happy to listen to anybody that can produce an “acceptable” character In my view we have one ambition – win the league
I believe NL may be in need of help both professionally and medically he is carrying a big weight – he has my respect and must be treated with dignity
But we have a problem and winning the league this year is becoming a bigger task as each day/game passes
We as a team are struggling not just Saturday but most of the season
Option 2 If Option 1 proves impossible and it could – then promote Scott Brown either to replace and or assist NL
SB knows everything that is going on in our club – as club Captain he has the respect of the players
We have the players to win 10
But at the moment we do not have the motivation the system or the formation (not just Saturday)
Ask yourself this horrible question
If Gerrard was in charge of Celtic today would we win the league
I’ll just leave that with you
Hail Hail my friend
67ECW
H.H My Friend, your question about, if Gerrard & his back room staff where in charge of Us
would we win the SPL this Season, the answer to that question reluctantly, would have to
be yes. As for PL making the decision of appointing a new management team?’s Nah a bit
dodgy, considering the past appointments of Tony Mowbray & Ronny Delia, no will not
put bums on seats, & would unvail more big problems ahead. Chris Houghton is a good
suggestion though, he done not a bad job @ Brighton, considering all the disadvantages
he had to face up too, yeah a sensible suggestion. As for Steve Clarke, well he certainly
sets up his stall in difficult to beet mode, however his style of play is very defensive, but
in fairness, Steve Clarke knows it’s a results industry, & Steve Clarke would know how to
handle the expectations & pressure of our Club, so 67ECW, that is another good suggestion.
As for Eddie Howe, another good suggestion, because he knows the game as well.
& So is either appoint SB as Manager alone, or to assist NFL as Manager, is another good &
sensible suggestion as well. Because you are right what you say about Broony, knowing
& getting the respect of all the players, & he also knows everything about our Club, after
all, Broony has been with our Club now for 12 years + so he would also fit the bill.
67ECW, I’m impressed, you make sound & sensible suggestions, about moving our Club
forward in the right direction, you are a dark horse my friend, who likes pulling all our legs,
so to speak. Anyway, as far as the future of our Club is concerned, it’s not all doom & gloom.
COYBIG My Friend, 67ECW.
My friends in Celtic ,
Neil Lennon is certainly no jester. I absolutely understand that things can be said in the heat of the moment especially if firewater has been consumed. No big deal, we move on.
However the reaction to Saturday’s humiliating reverse has generally been first class. Constructive criticism is what the doctor ordered.
In spite of only one defeat most of us who watch Celtic saw this coming. Our performances have been dire and no amount of stastics can hide this.
Re Shane Duffy: To date I would give him pass marks, but frankly what he has done in the past or what he is doing for others is irrelevant. ( I remember Thomas Gravason came with a huge reputation )
We criticize because we care. I will be worried when we stop any criticism and blindly accept.
HH to all, the journey has stalled but will recommence on Thursday. COYBIG.
NotTheBus
Can you elaborate?
GLENDALYSTONSILS on 19TH OCTOBER 2020 2:43 PM
ERNIE Christie may or may not be one of the malcontents depending on who you listen to . He cannot be blamed for Saturday”s debacle and I wouldn’t accuse him of not trying a leg , although I would blame him for being rather selfish at times . Maybe more accurate to call it the Charlie Christie gambit .
*think oul Charlie alluded tae the fact that in his honest opinion Ryan was good enough tae play in the EPL and somehow us Tims who are always paranoid, its part of our DNA, took it that he wanted tae leave.
BTW apologies tae SFTB, posted my Shane article before I saw his excellent prose.
GLENDALYSTONSILS on 19TH OCTOBER 2020 2:43 PM
ERNIE
Christie may or may not be one of the malcontents depending on who you listen to . He cannot be blamed for Saturday”s debacle and I wouldn’t accuse him of not trying a leg , although I would blame him for being rather selfish at times .
Maybe more accurate to call it the Charlie Christie gambit.
You are right GlenDalysTonsils, you are damn tooting as regards to Ryan Christie being selfish @
times with all the set peices, corner kicks, free kicks, & penalties, there should be other players
in our team/squad, who should be given a chance with the set peices, not just one player all
the time. We all know that Leigh-G can put in decent corner kicks, but also Ewan Henderson, is
also good @ delivering corner kicks as well.
CLASHCITYBHOY on 19TH OCTOBER 2020 2:40 PM
Setting aside their off the field antics, one of the main reasons the team in South side of Glasgow failed to achieve 10 was because they put everything into the league,and had Europe as a secondary priority.
*Hmmm I thought it was the opposite, bader was desperate for the Big Cup and was willing tae sacrifice the 10 which is why he spent almost 15 million that summer, when it all went breests up he put naesurname on his notice which at the time I felt was truly bizarre.
They ended up with zilch and lost league to a hastily cobbled together, lower budget team with a hunger to win and a good game plan.
*it almost fell apart at the final hurdle though and I can still see the Grim Reiper screaming at WTT tae get a sub on at East End Park, still it took a blatant penalty denied before the Pars ran up the park tae equalise tae stop us, and then Wim put subs on, never worked as a manager after that.
AKBW1888 on 19TH OCTOBER 2020 2:54 PM
We are on the same page – Celtic winning the league is my only ambition
Time will tell but April/May will be here soon enough – not winning 10 will turn me drink
Hail hail
67ECW
I’m off out for an hour, it was nice to have opportunity to chat, agree & disagree with fellow Supporters on a wet miserable day when there is feck all happening in your town,
More importantly the chat was polite and for the most part intelligent , I put in for the most part as I can’t decide to be a judge of my own contributions,
Keep the Faith Bhoys, as of now nothing is lost, Football is strange,
I believe we will come good , being a Celtic Supporter is never easy but it’s always worthwhile.
SFTB @ this afternoon
Could you stop trying to build an alternative reality based on snide comments and the reminiscences of Brighton fans.
We are playing terrible football with a squad that has shown no heart and plenty of petulance over the past 3 months.
We are losing every big game we play in — last 12 months apart from the LCF where we mugged them after another low energy performance.
We have a talented squad that is not delivering.
We have a limited manager and a coaching team that is not delivering.
We will not win the league if this situation continues.
Change is required and it is required now.
I will end with a question — do you think we will win the league this season with the current manager and coaching staff?
ONTINE TIM on 19TH OCTOBER 2020 3:10 PM
CLASHCITYBHOY on 19TH OCTOBER 2020 2:40 PM
Setting aside their off the field antics, one of the main reasons the team in South side of Glasgow failed to achieve 10 was because they put everything into the league,and had Europe as a secondary priority.
*Hmmm I thought it was the opposite, bader was desperate for the Big Cup and was willing tae sacrifice the 10 which is why he spent almost 15 million that summer, when it all went breests up he put naesurname on his notice which at the time I felt was truly bizarre.
They ended up with zilch and lost league to a hastily cobbled together, lower budget team with a hunger to win and a good game plan.
*it almost fell apart at the final hurdle though and I can still see the Grim Reiper screaming at WTT tae get a sub on at East End Park, still it took a blatant penalty denied before the Pars ran up the park tae equalise tae stop us, and then Wim put subs on, never worked as a manager after that.
Ontine Tim, we actually won the League, the following week @ CP, when we beet St Johnstone
2-0, with wee Henke scoring the first, & Harold Bratback scoring the second, it was a Scandinaven
type of a day, & also put an end to the Tax Dodgers dream.
As for Vim Yansen, not Managing again after that Season? (1997/98) Well that was really no
surprise, because he was not exactly a fan of Fergus McCann, & he certainly did not like
Jock Brown, that was for sure. HH
TONTINE TIM
You’re right , Charlie Christie has Celtic at heart and was genuinely delighted for his son to join us . Ryan is one of the current players I would be less concerned about .
I think Christie senior was playing the proud father with his EPL remarks . No way IMO is Ryan near ready for any of the bigger EPL sides.
Tontine. 2.13.
Believe it or not JVR and myself were discussing that game at lunchtime.
My recollection is that Lou told everyone Frank was in charge for the game.
I recall it well as my Dad was at deaths door and he held on long enough to get a match report, thankfully we won. A pleasant change, at that time.
I was telling JVR that, when the priest came to the house, my bluenose uncle was there, he said to the priest, did you hear Ally Maxwell tried to shoot himself, the priest was concerned and asked if he was OK?
My uncle ( my mum’s brother) replied, aye the clown dropped the gun!!
My mum was annoyed with him, I still wind her up about now and again.