Walter Smith was not named by BBC’s Mark Daly as a recipient of an Employee Benefit Trust in the recent documentary, however, before this matter is put to bed I expect more names to emerge. As soon as Smith makes himself available to a proper journalist he will be asked:
Did he receive EBT loan payments from Rangers?
If so:
Did he repay those loans or hold his cash while the club ran out of money and died?
Was he in receipt of a letter from Rangers confirming he was not required to repay?
Did his then employers, the Scottish FA, know he was perhaps receiving money from a member club while employed by them?
Are SFA employees contractually inhibited from taking payments from a member club or required to inform the SFA board of any payments received by a member club?
Did his earlier employers, Everton FC, know if he was receiving money from another club while employed by them?
Was Smith contractually inhibited from taking payments from another club or required to inform Everton of any payments received from another club?
As manager of Rangers, was he involved in negotiations with players who had EBTs or was he another one who concentrated on administrative and legislative duties?
Was he one of the men SFA president, Campbell Ogilvie, suggested failed to reveal side contracts to the Rangers board?
Rangers’ liquidators, BDO, will forensically pour over most of these questions, so Smith’s answers will be verifiable.
No one who played an active part in Rangers EBT scandal will come out of this clean. The ramifications multiply if Rangers were discretely paying any senior employee of another club.
I simply cannot imagine the justification for a member club discretely paying a senior employee of the SFA. Frankly, it would be beyond every Celtic fan’s most paranoid fantasies. I am sure Mr Smith will quickly and easily be able to reassure everyone.
An interesting twist in Smith’s bid for the assets of Rangers is that if he is to inherit Green’s application for a SFA licence and take a controlling interest in the club, Green is obliged to do due diligence on Smith to determine if he is a Fit and Proper person. Perhaps Mr Green can use the above as his due diligence questionnaire.
One final thought. In the unlikely event that it is established that one senior SFA employee was receiving discrete payments from Rangers, we need an immediate and independent inquiry to establish how many others received such payments and what they were for.
As a matter of some urgency I would recommend Stewart Regan brings himself up to speed on this one. I am sure his president is banging the table as you read this insisting the chief executive gets to the bottom of this. It’s not as though he is heavily conflicted and the SFA is in dire need of an independent president to steady the ship.
My friends in Celtic, this just got interesting.
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theweegreenman – they are the living dead, so we should call them Zombies!
T4
My feeling is that Newclub might be voted in but with a substantial points penalty, possibly for three seasons.
This would mean that TV money would be unaffected.
Clubs would still benefit from Newclub’s away fans.
Clubs would have a better chance of winning something and finishing higher up the league/possibly in Europe.
gallagher – was it a late night?!
T4
Re the transfer of SPL share.
Would this have to have the agreement of the current/former shareholder?
What I mean is, would it be possible for the share to be transferred to Walter’s men without Green’s say so? (Or indeed, to any other ‘new club’ which springs up over the next few days/weeks/months)
Breaking news!
The r FC has announced details of their new erm football top, it’s plain Whyte without a logo but has TBD where the logo should be, on the back is the new clubs motto
“Aye Surrender”
Vmhan
HH
Should have a poll? Orcs or zombies?
:-)
NEW ARTICLE
Tom
Scargill ,imo, used the miners as cannon fodder for his political ambition.
His motivation ,imo,was simply the overthrow of the democratically elected govt. of Thatcher.
He remembered that Mick Mc Gahey et. al. had effectively kicked out the govt. of Heath in `74 and perhaps thought he could achieve the same result.
My recollection was that on two occasions the miners voted against strike action which Scargill had recommended and that subsequently he decided to ignore the wishes of his members and strike without a ballot.
Many thanks for your courtesy in discussing matters which undoubtedly stimulate passion.
The basic point I sought to make was about the use of the insulting term ” scab ” about someone who disagrees with your point of view and refuses to take the action you recommend.
TTTT
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I was bedded at ten and up at six…….sober ;)))
I’m assuming it’s old news not quick news.
HH
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On RTC:
Celtic on SPL Brodacast Committee so know all details of Sky TV deal.
New Thomo blog
http://blogs.channel4.com/alex-thomsons-view/walter-smith-questions-rangers-legend/1947
•-:¦:-•** -:¦:- sparkleghirl :¦:-.•**• -:¦:-•,
The SPL share remains with Rangers FC PLC (in administration). Sevco 5088 Ltd cannot buy it or have it transferred to it.
The SPL clubs will collectively decide who a share is transferred to. In theory the Smith consortium could also make an application – although it would have to persuade other clubs that it could acquire a ground to play on, players, staff, etc., etc., first.
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Headtheball on 16 June, 2012 at 12:32 said:
What would be a substantial point deduction, baring in mind it will need to reflect cheating on a scale unheard of in football in Europe for over 10 years(that we know about), married to the fact this will be overcome rather quickly by a compliant referee fraternity and an unfit for purpose governing body?
They need to apply to third division at best. If it was anyone else, let”s not kid ourselves, they would have been kicked out of football altogether.
I think Paul67 has a Champers heid on today :>)
Gordon_J backing Neil Lennon on 16 June, 2012 at 12:38 said:
Thank you. So the SPL 12 (or 11?) could be asked to choose between 2 or more new clubs applying for that share? Plus of course any old , long established clubs who might fancy a crack at the top league.
Ho hum.
6 million for Ki is a good bit of business. Midfield is not an area we are short of talent in.
On another matter, I ask yesterday and I ask again as I got no answer. In all seriousness, if Davis, Whitaker, Mcgregor, Bocanegra etc. can walk for free surely to God there are a load of teams interested in taking them? I am stunned that a number of them haven’t gone already. What is the problem? Where is the speculation?
Has the press issued ANY reports yet of the players registered by the club formerly known as Rangers FC (In Administration) having OFFICIALLY moved over to the new club ???
How can they apply for a position in our top tier with NO registered players ?
Further point….If I ran a company Joe Bloggs Scaffolding PLC and went into liquidation….surely there are rules in place to prevent me re-starting as J Bloggs Scaffolding using the self same premises etc ? So How can they get away with it
macjay said: My recollection was that on two occasions the miners voted against strike action which Scargill had recommended and that subsequently he decided to ignore the wishes of his members and strike without a ballot.
So they had a ballot, then they decided to strike without a ballot. Which was it?
There was no ballot, other than in the Sun newspaper. Scargill didn’t call the strike. The NUM general council – 9 men – called the strike.
Thank you too for a good exchange of views on an old issue. We could go on all night I am sure, but we’ll agree to disagree my friend in Celtic.
Nothing wrong with that :~)
gallagher – aye, old news mate! :-)
T4
Sparkle Ghirl
X-Rangers SPL was sold to Chunk Green consortium as part of Liquidation assett sale. The share however in the eyes of the SPL is still with x-Rangers Football Club (IL).
SPL will be voting to basically ratify, or not, the transfer of that share from x-Rangers FC(IL) to Newco. If it is not ratified then Newco will have to sell it for £1 back to SPL.
Knuckledraggers 1690 Newco do not currently have a claim on that share. However, if SPL vote against share transfare to Chunk Green Newco dont be surprised if Knuckldraggers 1690 Newco apply to SPL to be awarded the share alongside Dundee and Dunfermline who im sure both have reasonable claim to it.
IMO.
MWD
•-:¦:-•** -:¦:- sparkleghirl :¦:-.•**• -:¦:-•,
There could be a few applicants for the share – Sevco, the Smith gang, Dunfermline, Dundee …
At present Rangers FC PLC (in administration) holds an SPL share and is entitled to vote come the decision on who will get its share, which is likely to be early July.
Now my view is that the SPL Board meeting on Monday should take the share off them. They are no longer a football club and don’t intend to be one in the future. They are not eligible to hold an SPL share – and an ex football team shouldn’t be playing a part in deciding the future of Scottish football.
Macjay1 @ 12.03,
Thanks for your reasoned comment.
Thanks also to the others who confirmed my assertion that the miners did not take a vote to strike. I never claimed that it was a legal requirement, but to launch a strike that permanently closed down most of the coal industry suggests that Mr Scargill & his colleagues were not confident that they had the support of their membership. Had they taken a vote, the press would not have been able to criticise them.
It strikes (no pun intended) me as odd that on a blog which boasts of its inclusiveness, there are some who use language of hatred like “scabs”: it’s also a paradox that among many intelligent & reflective bloggers, there are some who are unable to move on from the Thatcher period – which ended over 20 years ago.
BTW the previous miners’ strike was not in 1969-70 but in 1973-74, at the tail-end of the Heath government.
For all the lantern lighters…
Lantern In The Wind (Goodbye Scotland’s Shame)
And it seems to me you lived your life like a lantern in the wind
Never knowing who to cling to when the news sank in
And I never really liked you even when I was just a kid
Your lantern burned out long before your legned ever did…
Now that it becomes clearer by the day that most SPL clubs will NOT vote in Newco FC, I await the SFA/SPL telling us that it is too much pressure to put on the shoulders of the clubs, so the outcome will be decided by a panel of ‘the great & the good’ of Scottish football, who can be relied upon to make the best decision without fear or favour.
They could not do that, you say.
Just watch them.
TTTT
Struggling to keep up these days…….
It’s becoming like homework :)))
HH
Moonbeams WD. Kano 1000 \o/ Supporting Neil Lennon 100%. Champions. on 16 June, 2012 at 12:45 said:
Thanks.
DeniaBhoy on 16 June, 2012 at 12:43 said:
Phil MacGiollaBhain @Pmacgiollabhain
From planet footie agent: “At least FIVE RFC players and their agents have agreed deals with new clubs. SFA need to complete some forms.”
It’s a goer…
And it begins:
Phil MacGiollaBhain @Pmacgiollabhain
From planet footie agent: “At least FIVE RFC players and their agents have agreed deals with new clubs. SFA need to complete some forms.”
DeniaBhoy on 16 June, 2012 at 12:43 said:
On another matter, I ask yesterday and I ask again as I got no answer. In all seriousness, if Davis, Whitaker, Mcgregor, Bocanegra etc. can walk for free surely to God there are a load of teams interested in taking them? I am stunned that a number of them haven’t gone already. What is the problem? Where is the speculation?
Maybe they are getting their business in order before they announce their departure .It’s not easy selling a house with no windies.
Gordon J
Not according to Duff & Phelps CVA/Liquidation Sale of assets proposals. Share has been sold as asset to Chunk Green Newco at this time. Only Chunk Green Newco currently holdsa claim (unratified by SPL) to it.
MWD
Note it says new clubs. Not new club.
Wales very unlucky there in Melbourne. As were the Irish, going down to a drop goal at the end of their game against the All Blacks.
T4
Well I never, Walter Smith coming under scrutiny. It will never catch on.
http://blogs.channel4.com/alex-thomsons-view/walter-smith-questions-rangers-legend/1947
There’s the chewing gun, the macaroon and the centre mids..
Phil MacGiollaBhain @Pmacgiollabhain
The only other details coming my way on this is Davis to Southampton. New source-let’s see :0)
” It cannot be right for one man to vote another out of a job ”
Peter Heathfield NUM General Secretary April 1984
Moonbeams WD. Kano 1000 \o/ Supporting Neil Lennon 100%. Champions. on 16 June,
Good to see you back.
Have you read this interesting slant from Wings over Scotland? Can BDO investigate and undo the deal D&E made with Green?
http://wingsland.podgamer.com/charles-greens-win-win-game/