Strict liability: if football fans misbehave in a stadium, their club is held liable.
This is the Uefa way and is how most European national associations conduct their business. Not in Scotland. In Scotland there is a belief that some problems are so entrenched, it would be unfair to penalise clubs, who do whatever they can to discourage fans from, for example, setting off flares. Here, a club which does everything it can to stop an errant act is not held liable.
It wouldn’t be an exaggeration to say some clubs fear strict liability. Celtic cannot stop people setting off flares, they take steps to discourage it, so, the argument goes, why fine or otherwise punish Celtic?
It’s a cop out. I’d hate to see points deducted, leagues decided, because a club was proxy for a strict liability offender, but everything else is on the table. Clubs are poor at policing their own, there are in-built inhibitors which make doing so difficult. Strict liability takes the issue out of their hands. Stands will be shut, ticket allocations withdrawn, but almost certainly only once.
Flare carriers are the most difficult to police as they are the act of a small number of individuals, who are able to protect themselves [although not their club]by hiding in a crowd, but strict liability would end offensive chanting by thousands overnight.
For that, it’s worth it.
Only caught last night’s Motherwell game in highlights. Newco looked like the Rangers I remember from the early 80s. Despite being a mid-table mediocre outfit, Rangers were, and played like, a big team back then. They attacked with all they had, but John Greig was often out-thought by the manager of a small club, who could organise a defence and break with purpose.
Football tactic students will be captivated by the second leg. Do Newco go on the attack, and risk the same outcome, or do they learn to live within their limitations, hoping to tempt Motherwell beyond theirs? The team which gets it wrong could lose by three goals. It’s a good job Newco didn’t screw around with the ticket allocation, they’ll need that away end packed and energetic.
Thanks for all the feedback on the new issue of CQN Magazine, lots of great reading.
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TR
Thanks but Burghbhoy has put me off MB bars for life with his dirty hand comments. 8))
I remember Aldo saying on here a few years ago that the Metro was the cause of many colds due to the virus being left on the paper and multiple people reading it
Never read it since. 8))
on the subject of The Game today……….
taking a paraphrased leaf out of the big fella’s book………….
……only a fool would predict the outcome of a game that the teddies really, REALLY needed to win……
My little voice says all bets are off.
HH
Scottish football could be set for its most radical shake up ever.
Discussions are ongoing between the SPFL and SFA, aimed at league reconstruction in time for the start of the 2016-17 campaign.
And, it is understood, serious consideration is being given to revolutionary proposals that would see two leagues of 12 – split into three of eight – after each team had played each other twice.
It is a system which used to operate in Switzerland and Austria, and has long been championed by SFA’s former Chief Executive Gordon Smith, who played in both countries.
At its heart is a mini play-off league – Premiership 2 – in which clubs fight it out to be one of four who claim a place in the following year’s top flight of 12.
The four losers start the next season in the second tier.
Such a set-up this year would have pitted Championship front-runners Rangers, Hearts, Hibs and Queen of the South against Premiership quartet St Mirren, Motherwell, Ross County and Partick Thistle in a League of Death.
As an extension of the plan, Smith would like to see clubs retain the points they collected in the first half of the season against the clubs who would be their opposition in the second half of the campaign.
Had the system been in place this season, Rangers would have started bottom of the eight, having gathered just three points in their first two meetings against their fellow Championship sides.
That would have left them a whopping 15 points behind the Jambos, who would have started the second half of the campaign ahead of the clubs who had dropped down from the top flight.
Advocates argue the 14-game campaign – each team would again play each other home and away – would hold huge appeal for broadcasters and sponsors alike.
Also that the format would be fairer than the play-offs currently raging just now because it would ensure the best teams over a longer period would win out.
A similar proposal was considered by the SPL and SFL two years ago but failed to gain sufficient support. That led to the birth of the SPFL in June, 2013.
Under an agreement struck then, no change can be made to the existing structure until next summer without the unanimous backing of the 42 clubs. That, it is generally accepted, is not going to happen this summer.
The ongoing discussions are therefore with a view to getting a new set up in place in time for the start of the following season, 2016-17.
The 12-12-18 is not the only proposal that will be put on the table.
Among other alternatives are ones which would see the current 12-team top tier either reduced to 10, or expanded to 16.
But with the country desperate to find a radical alternative that can capture the attention of fans and television companies alike, it is seen as having a live chance of success.
The SPFL have already shown their willingness for innovation, with big changes planned for the League Cup in 2016-17.
Early ties are set to be played in July, with the Final in October or November.
How very appropriate it was to see Campbell Ogilvie hand out the gongs in Scodland’s showpiece final.
A man right up there with SDM when it comes to leading roles in the biggest scandal British football has ever seen.
At least Murray’s more or less in hiding, but this geezer’s surely got the brassest neck ever.
Why not just put the huns in the top division and do not relegate them for pish football or off the field hunguffery.
It would save everyone wetting their knickers worrying about the huns.
Makes sense tae me.
MT
Was it your son who was in court last week?
if so, any news?
(I’m not on here very often)
Td67
I know your over by but have you seen the Celtic /Brazen top for Vegas?
Big Pedro was modelling one yesterday. Absolute belter.
an am no goin’ for 3 in a row.
The only Change in our Football ,should be Summer Football,this standing and sitting in freezing winters afternoons and evenings,is no joke ,Time for Change ,Football Supporters could make this happen,we have so much power to see changes for the good of the game of football.could it happen i hope so.
Good Morning Timland.
TNT…..managed tae get on yer beast @4s.
A red card in the hun game Berlington Bertie.
Away tae walk the dug, might drop in as the hun
game unfolds,have a great Sunday cqn.
Philbhoy
Not guilty verdict for MT bhoy
bt
Thanks and than goodness!
! A horrible time for the bhoy and his family though.
The law is an ass.
Hope you are all well.
marrakesh express
Yes I’m picking mine up today :))
I don’t fly out until tomorrow .
than = thank
You can get MB bars in our humble local CO-OP. Unlike ye olde huns, they are very much alive and well.
Currently sweating buckets in Turkey considering 1st Efe (beer, not oor player) of the day, but my thoughts keep drifting to darkest Lanarkshire and the unprecedented levels of mibbery and honest mistakes I fear will occur.
Hope I’m very wrong. I do not fear sevco in any way. It’s brazen, open cheating I can’t stand.
Come on Murderwell, give this wee nagging doubt in my head a good clamping.
HH
Another reason I am not on here often is I don’t want to open a gambling account, I don’t want to buy after shave and I don’t want to go on a P & O cruise.
My lap top is slow and seems to take forever to get them off the screen.
Marrakesh express,
OGilvie was at the wind up yesterday. It was a GIRUY to Celtic. Handed out Falkirk gongs with obligatory grip thenstood back with a huge smile watching ICT. He was delighted there was no hoops collecting a treble and his sliemieness oozed out of every pore.
One point to note is that David Gill has resigned the FIFA vice Presidency for the Home Nations due to Blatter staying in power. Don’t be surprised if Ogilvie makes a move to join Blatter and his cronies and fight for change from within. Like Blatter you couldn’t mark his neck with a blow torch.
Blatter has a habit off paying off vocal dissent , like £5M given to FAI to shut up over Henry hand ball when they wanted to be the + 1 team. The SFA have been surprisingly vocal ; their is method in their madness.
Ogilvie must dream off joining an organisation as corrupt as FIFA.
philbhoy
Doing fine heading off to church
Pass on regards to Olivia and mrs pb
KTF
bt
Willdo and take care!
On the Ole McBookie site there and reassured to see that the odds of qualifying for next year’s top flight are 1/9 Motherwell and 5/1 The Rangers.
On today’s 90 minutes Motherwell are 2/1 whilst The Rangers are favourites at 11/8. I can only imagine that those odds reflect the fact that there are loads of Govan based punters who have piled on with hope in their Hearts.
If I can convince myself that the officials won’t play a part then 2/1 Motherwell will receive my last stake of the season.
Gary67,
Was someone asked to come up with the daftest proposal possible? Play some games in a league, then split into different leagues, change the number of points and play some more games. May as well just play musical chairs for promotion places.
The idea of a league should be very simple. Everyone plays everyone the same number of times, home and away. Final positions are decided on the number of points gained with a tie breaker if points are equal. The end.
BT
Re the MB bars.
Blame ma mammy , not me!!!
HH bro
Gordon_J backing Neil Lennon
agreed, it is mental, whats so hard about playing each other home and away, couple up and three down automatically and a play off in the div below for 3rd for example, not difficult.
most leagues do and have used that format for donkeys with no problem, there is no need to be different to try jazz it up. its a shite idea.
Gordon_J
With The Big Wig involved, what could possibly go wrong?
Imagine the presser, the “explanations” and stuff……….
Box Office…………..
Playing golf at Dalmahoy today with a crowd from work . Couple of Sevconians will be present. Tee off at 12, so hoping to provide them with some gleeful updates!
HH
How’s the moral squad today
TBJ
Many Happy Returns.
Unfortunately I can’t make Douglas Park today.
Have a good one B.
“Impeach Grimmond McCrummoch!”
Hi bhoys and ghirls a wee appeal my daughter Elizabeth a long time season ticket holder since our return from hampden, and now has a son and daughter, season ticket holders, is running the Edinburgh marathon today Sunday 31/5/2015 on behalf of Celtic charity, the Celtic foundation. She has been training very hard and is looking forward to the run. If anyone would like to donate to the cause this is her address.
https://mydonate.bt.com/fundraisers/elizabethgemmell1
A wee aside Elizabeth’s birthday is on 6th November 1987 exactly one hundred years to the day, brother Walfrid, formed Celtic, a born Celt.
I have got to admit I have a tear in my eye here seeing her in her Celtic foundation shirt, at the start, once again thanks to the CQNrs for donations and good wishes, will update later with times etc. Hail Hail
Dallas
Polaris coached me when I played for Clydebank Strollers.
He hated us who would wear the Hoops to training. Still see him about Knightswood.
heroes are forever –
good luck to Elizabeth
Jobo
On Thursday it was 11/8 Well and 7/4 The Hun, over 90. Obviously a lot jumped onto the 7/4 price and sadly some of our own, as a wee insurance. I said to a mate of mine yesterday that he better not put his blood money on the bar, should Sevco win. But then again I suppose 1-0 for the huns would be acceptable.
Hoopy Birthday the bhoy jinky, have a hooptastic day.
Keep the Faith!
Hail Hail!
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PhilBhoy..
My Laptop has Never had a Problem before but since the BET365 has been on this Site it is Slow or Stuffed..
l think they Use a Program to stop you just closing it (BET365) website..Which l think could probable Illegal..l have mentioned it on here a Few times but Nada..
Its Bad enough that it’s a Gambling site but the Fact it blocks your Computer closing it down is in a Poster on here’s Words..Hmmmm..;-)
001 of Paul33/1andWinningCouponsCSC
Looks like we’re signing boyata…………..not great stats !!!!!………here’s hoping …..
C’mon you well !!!!!
talk of policing fans in the blog leader
Do sevco have one single song which is not based on hatred?
If so do they every sing it?
This pre-season leaves no real room for our first team Internationals to get a break.
The scheduling of international games is a job joke. Most teams will finish up mid May but theses internationals mean there is no competitive football for a month. Then our internationals get 2 weeks off before returning for a heavy pre-season.
If UEFA have decided that these internationals are to be played regularly in June its logical to play a split season finishing the first half in early December and start up again in Feb.
Top athletes never really dip their training to the extent that they stop altogether. There should be no danger that they would then go on the bevy for 2 months but this break would give clubs like Celtic the opportunity to go on some tours and give players the psychological break they need.
TBJ…
Happy 60th :))) HH