You have been presented with a narrative that we should collapse the Scottish Premier League this summer and have the SFA register a new, two-division, league system to resolve the problems inherent in having too many bodies running our game. This is complete nonsense.
Those pushing for a SPL 2 are, perhaps with good intentions, trying to pull a deal together to reduce the impact of the demise of Rangers FC buy allowing a phoenix the chance to gain entry into the league structure two levels higher than what they now face.
It’s a stupid proposal.
As things stand, there is no chance of a Newco getting access to the SPL next season. Despite Neil Doncaster heavily advocating the notion, the idea is simply undeliverable. Our club has been committed to opposing the proposition from the beginning, while many others now realise they have to observe the strong feelings of their own supporters on the matter.
Doncaster should have realised this was a campaign he could not win before he boxed himself into a corner over it. SPL 2 is an attempt to address the ‘No to Newco’ concerns while bringing the income some in the game hope Newco will deliver.
The unnamed SFA source who briefed the BBC on this topic last week made no reference whatsoever to Newco, their focus was all on the administrative challenges of having multiple bodies in charge of the game, but this was disingenuous. If there was a prospect of Newco getting into the SPL we would not be having this debate.
Tell us the truth, be honest, and these random, ill-considered, notions will perhaps be received in a better light.
The hope is that fans of the former club, Rangers, bring their cash along to watch Newco, which would play SPL 2 football next season and would be subject to whatever penalties the various independent bodies impose for years to come for the illegal actions of Rangers. This would allow Newco to claim the history of Rangers, would perhaps maintain the existing BSkyB TV deal and would meet the ‘No to Newco’ demands.
There are several huge obstacles to overcome. The SFA will soon instruct Lord Carloway’s Appellate Panel to consider a new punishment for ‘Rangers’ for misdeeds during the Craig Whyte era. I expect him to suspend the ‘club’ for 12 months. A new independent judicial panel will consider the case against ‘Rangers’ for subverting our game for over a decade through the illegal registration of players. If/when the First Tier Tribunal finds against Rangers a fresh wave of charges will be brought against any club claiming to hold that identity – as a guide, think of the punishments for the Craig Whyte era multiplied by 12.
These three independent judicial panels will destroy whatever is left of what we used to call ‘Rangers’ and there is nothing the football authorities can do about it.
Sevco, who own Ibrox and have applied for SPL access, already face an enormous challenge to meet trading costs for a year, even in the SPL, never mind a lower league (as Dave King correctly concluded). They are prime candidates for another insolvency event any time soon. Best of all, a Celtic fan has now bid for the assets (more on this later)!
Even if Newco overcame these enormous challenges, the SFA and SPL executives, having realised they cannot convince fans of 11 clubs to hold their noses and put up with a Newco-Rangers, will now try to convince former Rangers fans to cough up cash to support a Newco that will be rendered impotent by the most severe penalties in the history of our game.
I cannot see former Rangers fans accepting their role as cannon fodder for St Mirren, Motherwell and (cough) Kilmarnock in a league where the Mighty Celtic romp home by 30 points.
I don’t have an objection in principle to a two-league SPL but plan it properly, don’t allow knee-jerk reactions to dictate thinking. There’s no point in us getting paranoid about this, it’s not some attempt to help the remnants of ‘Rangers’, it’s just a stupid proposal from people who have yet to see the big picture.
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wonkyradar-Green is bricking it,no SPL football and his backers will do walking away.Left holding the baby,will try to play poker with TBK,Kennedy or whatever carpetbagger lifts the phone.The price will come down ,the only string to his bow is he could shut them down altogether.
Very heartening day so far…
Motherwell, hand over the decision to the fans… that’s sure to be a No to NewCo
Hearts (luvin’ yer work Vlad !), No to NewCo
No matter the MSM work for the Dark Side, no matter who “utters” the dire financial warnings, integrity is winning
Starting to firmly believe this has finally turned
Happy Days
So Kilmarnock will only try to attract new fans if Sevcois not in the league?
Seems like a very strange way to run a football club.
From one Tax dodger to another
Tatty bye Newco Tatty bye
All together now
“Oh we are the diddy men the diddy men the diddy men
we are the diddy men ”
NOTE not stolen from RTC
Given that Johnston’s team weren’t guaranteed to have 2 home games against Rangers due to the nature of the split in the SPL, I would be worried if I was a Killie fan that he appears to bank on getting 2 visits from his Govan friends each season.
The encouraging thing the “if that’s what we have to do” bit – possibly a gauge for the general feeling of the SPL chairmen? I hope so!
Tombola
!!Bada Bing!!
Green is sitting on property with a book value of £100 Million that he picked up for £5.5 Million. I have said on here before, Duff&Duffer were touting rangers down in England as a ‘unique property deal’. Green doesn’t care about a football team…
Gordon_J
Thanks..Appreciated.
Happy 500
Teuchter
part of staement from BuryFC rejecting idea of new Rangers taking them over –
“The directors of Bury FC place the integrity and morality of the club, and football as a whole, way above and beyond any possible financial gain”
How sweet would it be if the SPL kicked off on the 4th of August with no rangers and all the clubs recording a marked increase in their attendances.
Has Michael not factored in how many supporters he’ll get from Ayrshire not travelling to Glasgow.
Kilmarnock chairman says he needs 1,000 more fans per home game to make up for a loss of income if Sevco don’t get into the SPL. Surely with Ranger’s demise there may be some ex-Rangers supporters in Kilmarnock who might want to go along to see some top division football at rugby Park.
Sounds like a huge opprotunity to attract a new set of supporters. Any chairman of a business would be delighted to have this opportunity to exploit new markets.
Mort
Hearts statement is so good even the laptop loyal will in no way be able to attach the usual “Mad Vlad” tag to it because it is so morally correct.
For me that’s the final nail in their coffin. Now more convinced than ever that they are done for; finito.
Makes a drab Thursday very enjoyable.
Now when will we hear from the “leaders” of our game….Doncaster, Reagan, and Ogilvie have been remarkably silent this past week.
Let the Sevco player exodus begin!!!!
Now just may be the perfect time for PL to stick the dagger through their hearts by putting out a statement clearly outlining the Celtic view.
Come on, Peter, you know you want to do it.
Teuchter ár lá,
Cheers!
Well done Romanov only guy in Scotland with a set of gonads.
Right c’mon PL your next.
Celtic should keep their own counsel and let it be seen that the huns are being rejected by their own kind
The miner’s strike? All right, time for me to wade in.
I recall that there was much uncertainty about the outcome of a national ballot. This was compounded by a degree of antipathy between the Yorkshire and Nottinghamshire fields. The longer time went on, the more this issue became a running sore. i believe Scargill would have had the ballot if he felt he would have won it.
This, however, overlooks the main issues in the dispute. The only likely outcome to a vote against a strike was that the pits would have closed in any case. As many of the communities affected by pit closures were entirely dependent on them for financial security, it is difficult to see how they could be criticised for trying to hang on to them. They also knew that there was literally “no alternative” once the pits were closed as there was no plan in place for the revitalisation of their local economies. Thatcher did not “do” state support, even when there were obvious benefits to the UK economy.
In my opinion, it was a tragedy.
I just wish the mineshafters on here would get aff Zheng Zhi’s back….
Paul67
Would now be a good time for Celtic “to admit to a freindly journalist” they would be prepared to renegotiate the split of televison money in order to help any SPL clubs that fear potential losses of income arising from the liquidation of another member club
i.e. Decouple the statement from the July 4th vote while providing encouragement to the remaining undeclared clubs
VertWolf
Larrybhoy on 21 June, 2012 at 15:30 said:
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Yes. Agreed.
“The wheel of Heaven grinds exceeedingly slow,but oh,how it grinds.”
HH!
:-)
‘crushed nuts?’ ‘Naw, Layringitis!’ on 21 June, 2012 at 15:29 said:
macjay1 for Neil Lennon on 21 June, 2012 at 15:23 said:
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My point overall was ‘meet the old boss, same as the new boss’
Currently,sadly,I agree.
In the `70s,there was an option,but loss makers were subsidised with no prospect of them ever coming to profit.Ideological susidy.
Right now ,banks cannot be permitted to fail.Rational subsidy.
VertWolf on 21 June, 2012 at 15:40 said:
freindly journalist”
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I’ve spotted a flaw!;)
Ron Bacardi
What a lot of sense.
Teuchter
Lads lads wee ? for debate here.
What do you think would happen if we were liquidated ?
3rd division or do you think they would be trying to bend the rules to help us ?
archdeaconsbench
You can call me a Zheng Zhi hater if you like but he hasn’t turned a leg for us for 2 years.
macjay1 for Neil Lennon on 21 June, 2012 at 15:41 said:
Right now ,banks cannot be permitted to fail.Rational subsidy.
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That may be the case but it doesn’t explain News International, Vodafone, Barclays et al.
crushed nuts?’ ‘Naw, Layringitis!’ on 21 June, 2012 at 15:43 said:
VertWolf on 21 June, 2012 at 15:40 said:
freindly journalist”
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I’ve spotted a flaw!;)
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only if you subliminally insert Scottish in front of the above ;-)
Look at what’s happening due to the weight of evidence itself – Celtic should continue to say precisely nothing and continue to let Scottish Football reclaim its integrity without any undue public influence from us.
I understand that it might feed the need for some for Celtic to be seen to put the boot in – but it will be counter-productive and could only derail a process thats heading nicely in the right direction.
hoopeddreams :”In my opinion, it was a tragedy”
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Yes,it was. The effects are still being felt.
I was involved at the time. I don’t want to elaborate. This is not the forum for such a huge subject,and it’s demeaning to the lives ruined and lost to casually trumpet a Thatcher ‘victory’ like some would have us believe.
Hail! Hail!
LeftWing CSC
Vertwolf
How about “Liverpool” or “Channel 4”?
VertWolf on 21 June, 2012 at 15:46 said:
VertWolf on 21 June, 2012 at 15:40 said:
freindly journalist”
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I’ve spotted a flaw!;)
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only if you subliminally insert Scottish in front of the above ;-)
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‘Scottish jounalist’ as rare as a handsome hun! ;)
The MSM slate Romanov but they know he’s spot on with every statement and they can’t handle it.
The Pantaloon Duck on 21 June, 2012 at 15:23 said:
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I’m going for Newco second time………..sneak in under the radar………..
Tim Malone Will Tell
Again, A lot of sense.
Teuchter
Point of view from
ICT
CALEY Thistle chairman Kenny Cameron has penned an open letter to supporters in the aftermath of the club being bombarded with correspondence regarding Rangers applying to join the Scottish Premier League as a newco.
Time constraints has meant that Cameron has not been able to apply individually, but he assured Inverness fans their views were being given serious consideration.
Below is the letter that Cameron out out via Caley Thistle’s official website.
“The Rangers situation has resulted in a huge volume of letters, emails and phone calls to me from Caley Thistle supporters — so many that I cannot reply individually, though all have been given due consideration and the board fully appreciates our fans’ strength of feeling on the issue.
“Similarly, all the posts on the fans’ website have been noted. This week we consulted with the Supporters Trust, whose input is particularly important to us.
“It is fair to say that those who say that Rangers have been punished sufficiently are in an extremely small minority of all the representations received.
“The directors of the club have taken all the comments on board. Our final decision on the issue will be taken based on the views of supporters and the Supporters Trust combined with what we think is best for our club from a business perspective and for Scottish football in general.
“This is an extremely busy period, otherwise I would have taken time to reply to all of our fans who have taken the trouble to contact me. Their views will not be arbitrarily dismissed.
“Meanwhile, as events continue to unfold, the board will continue to assess the situation on an ongoing basis.”
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Looking like the majority will vote No to Newco, especially if its looking more and more likely that there is no chance of a Yes vote. Clubs who would have voted Yes will change to No to make it look like they are voting for sporting integrity and sticking by the rules.
Ah, ole Vlad is value for money.
The boys who pen the nonsense for the football rags can’t ignore the fact that their beloved huns are not going to limp over the finishing line now that the Impaler has thrown his anti-newco hat into the ring.
The numbers are starting to look very promising.
Goodbye, Rangers.
Goodbye, Rangers.
It’s more the comment section at the end I’m having to be creative with. I can’t possibly use “should be barred from senior football at any level”, again
Glendalystonsils
I just said…
‘I agree with Mr.Romanov’
HH