In response to some of the more excitable comments from yesterday it might be worthwhile painting the possible scenarios for Rangers.
No Sale
If Bill Miller is unable to complete the sale (remember, he’s not even paid the deposit and has no intention of doing so), the club will reach the end of the season and run out of money. It will then either expire completely or Duff and Phelps will try to cut a deal with Ticketus to allow Rangers to sell season tickets and retain more of the money than they are currently due.
Rangers could continue to operate in administration for a while to come; Motherwell were in administration for one week short of two years. The club would be unable to afford player wages after they return to normal in 1 June so would be forced to pare the squad back, whether the ban on player registration remains or not.
Miller completes purchase and the SPL vote him into the league
If Miller completes his purchase, as it stands, the SPL board will have discretion to transfer an insolvent club’s share in the league to a Newco. Neil Doncaster has pinned his colours to the mast on this issue, Steve Lomas explained St Johnstone’s willingness to also vote Newco in. Celtic will vote against which means if either Motherwell or Dundee United vote in favour of Newco, they will be allowed into the league.
I have no doubt that both Motherwell and Dundee United will vote in favour of Newco. The SPL will vote to introduce a new procedure for dealing with Newco on Monday but it’s far from clear this proposal will get enough support.
For Miller, there are complications with this issue. He would inherit all football and financial penalties due for Rangers and would also be expected to pay Rangers football debts – around £3.5m.
You can largely ignore the £160k Fit and Proper fines from the SFA but the SPL inquiry into Improper Registration of Players for over a decade will be the biggest charge in the history of British sport. We should be looking at fines commensurate with the financial benefits accrued and multi-year sporting punishments.
If the SPL rule amendments Newco are rejected on Monday (as I expect), there are some who are concerned SPL board will impose lighter penalties than those suggested by Neil Doncaster’s new rules.
Alternatively, Miller could tell the SPL to stuff it and apply to the Scottish Football League. Ally McCoist has already threatened this in response to the already-imposed fines and the notion is popular among Rangers fans I know. If the did this, Newco would not have to pay Rangers football debts and would be subject to no penalties or player registration bans. They could budget for three years of lower-league football and then tool up for the summer of 2015.
You can expect some though talking from Rangers on going to the Third Division in an attempt to spook the SPL into offering limited, single-season penalties.
Among the many unknowns, we can be sure of a few things:
Rangers Football Club, established in 1872, is finished.
Some form of phoenix will happen, if not for next season, then probably by 2013.
The SPL will complete the inquiry into Improper Registration of players, whether Rangers exist or not. If a Newco is granted Rangers SPL share, penalties will be punitive.
Notions that ‘Rangers’ are going to emerge debt-free, strong and able to compete as though nothing has happened is simply nonsense. Their club is dead. They will start a new club, it will either be back in the SPL unhindered in 2015 (or 16) or will be in the SPL next season, heavily burdened for many years to come.
My prediction is for the latter.
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SydneyTim
it is like football players.
Unless you have the inside tract
you buy cheap you buy twice.
Me no know Sydney
Don’t have time to read back but
alex thomson @alextomo
Anybody from Lloyds Bank want to talk anonymously about letters sent to SPL clubs?
Whaaat?????
Answers in 2 minutes
Celtic Vs French Clubs In European Competition ANSWERS
1.Name the 3 French sides we have played in The European Cup/Champions League.
NANTES(1966).ST.ETIENNE(1968) LYON(2003)
2.Who were the first French team to knock Celtic out of Europe.PSG(1995)
3.Who were the French opponents when Henrik broke his leg. LYON
4.Who are the only team we have beaten in France in European competition.NANTES(1968)
5.Which team knocked Celtic out of Europe in Martin O’Neill’s first European Campaign. BORDEAUX
6. How many different French teams have Celtic met in European Competions. 6(Nantes,St Etienne,PSG,Lyon,Bordeaux,Rennes)
Red Herrring!!!!!!!!!!!????????????????????????
re alextomo, if there’s anything in that, it takes this to a whole new level
clean sweep (=
Celtic Soul Brother- Supporting Kano 1000 on 4 May, 2012 at 22:20 said:
Where were Sedan from? Early sixties I think.
……is a good fish for a Friday, but I far prefer Hake!
HHH.
JQB
Threats??
Sedan’s in France.
Must admit, I asked tomorrow to check out the advice being given to clubs by their banks, never got a reply so thought it was a dead issue, neither am I claiming I was the only one to ask the question, but this is exactly what I hoped for, the games afoot :0)
SCORES AFTER ROUND 4
1.Tim Malone-30
2.Hamiltontim-27
3.Glasgow Celtic Way-21
3.SOAL-21
5.SFTB-18
5.PGG Tipps-18
7.Stringer Bell-17
7.Celtic Champs Elect-17
9.Racingbhoy-14
10.Babasonico-12
11.Top Corner-6
Hoops Am I to follow in 1 minute
Woody Lee on 4 May, 2012 at 20:31 said:
Doing Impressions 2:
Stand in front of the fire till you’re Tommy Burns
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cannot believe nobody has even commented on that!!!
words fail me. sick.
And tomo
celt55
That was in some made up Franco-British Cup
Sedan beat us and we failed to trap against Reims but this was not an official UEFA competition
JimmyQuinnsBits, 22:21
It’s game on
celt55 on 4 May, 2012 at 22:22 said:
Celtic Soul Brother- Supporting Kano 1000 on 4 May, 2012 at 22:20 said:
Where were Sedan from? Early sixties I think
Don’t know-will check it out after quiz.
theglasgowcelticway on 4 May, 2012 at 22:23 said:
I think we played them in some sort of cup.
My ma used to have a sedan
Zinnedine Sedan?
JQB
It’s always been at a high level, just nobody has had the baws to take it there.
If the will was there, gongs would be getting taken away, quite a few suits would be doing serious jail time.
We are talking fraud at a scale never seen before within the football world.
And the hun will waltz back into the top flight as if nothing has happened.
Scotland, whas like us…..
Wean just woke up. Missed the French round!
Merde.
Just got a chance to read the blog. Like I posted this morning, the opinion in the boozer after the game last night is rangers are gubbed for years to come no matter what.
Boss Hogg Miller will be wondering why he let his mate ‘I love the smell of napalm in the morning’ talk him into making a bid.
Just watched ‘we’ll never walk away’ on YouTube. I wonder how long he spent grooming her?
HH
setting free the bears on 4 May, 2012 at 22:24 said:
Yes, it was a very vague memory.
Is Sedan not somewhere in Africa?
Round 5: Hoops am I?
(Remember one guess only, so up to you when you want to guess. 5 bonus points if you are first to guess the answer correctly-4 other clues to follow but the points available decrease per clue!)
1.I Only played in 3 Competitive games for Celtic(all in different competitions) ,making my debut in 1982.(20 Pts)
2seater it was
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In the summer of 1960, the French Federation decided to organise a competition that would pit eight of their clubs against four from each of Scotland and England. Individual clubs wouldn’t win the trophy, instead each country was awarded 2 points for a win and 1 for a draw. Originally, the format was of all the British clubs competing under the one umbrella, however the Scottish League objected to this and so two trophies were cast.
Invites went out to Dundee, Motherwell and Clyde, who all accepted. Ayr United initially accepted but had to pull out because of the lack of floodlights and were to be replaced by Hibernian. The Edinburgh side though were involved with an Edinburgh select v Chelsea match so Celtic were admitted instead.
The first season was disappointing, attendances were generally poor, and with bookings high, could hardly be classed as a tournament of friendship. However the Scottish clubs came out top by winning 5 and drawing 1 of the 8 games.
The second season saw Aberdeen and Third Lanark replace Clyde and Dundee, however Celtic’s matches with Reims never took place after disagreements on when the games were to be played. This season, the French triumphed with 3 wins and a draw.
Thanks to Bob Rutherford for supplying these results.
1960-61
1st legs
6 Aug 1960 Sedan 3 Celtic 0
7 Aug 1960 Toulouse1 Motherwell 2
7 Aug 1960 Lens 0 Clyde 4
7 Aug 1960 Valencienes 1 Dundee 0
2nd legs
27 Sep 1960 Clyde 2 Lens 1 agg 6-1
18 Oct 1960 Celtic 3 Sedan 3 agg 3-6
18 Oct 1960 Motherwell 4 Toulouse 1 agg 6-2
7 Dec 1960 Dundee 4 Valencienes 2 agg 4-3.
Scotland took the series by 3-1
1961-62
1st legs
10 Oct 1961 Aberdeen 2 Le Harve 0
7 Nov 1961 Third Lanark 1 Rouen 2
4 Apr 1962 Motherwell 1 Nimes 2
Celtic v Reims not played
2nd legs
6 May 1962 Le Harve 2 Aberdeen 5 agg 2-7
9 May 1962 Rouen 2 Third Lanark 1, agg 4-2
9 May 1962 Nimes 3 Motherwell 3 agg 5-4
Reims v Celtic not played
France win the series 2-1,
pggtips
Depends how many pints you’ve had.
Will the automathuns ever get with the programme?
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( History etc etc etc etc……………)
Roy bains
graeme sinclair
How can you get beat by a side who’s names Toulouse?
Round 5: Hoops am I?
(Remember one guess only, so up to you when you want to guess. 5 bonus points if you are first to guess the answer correctly-4 other clues to follow but the points available decrease per clue!)
1.I Only played in 3 Competitive games for Celtic(all in different competitions) ,making my debut in 1982.(20 Pts)
2.I had 2 different spells at both Dundee clubs.(12 Pts)
theglasgowcelticway on 4 May, 2012 at 22:23
Sedan cost me a few hundred tonight in their game with Clermont Foot in Lique 2. If only there was 1 more goal my accumulator would have been up. Spooky they get a mention on CQN tonight hehe.