So what did we learn yesterday? Primarily we learned that you can’t replace 8 players from a team which won 0-4 at Tynecastle while leaving the core element of the team in place. It is justifiable to be critical of the performances of experienced key players who didn’t perform, but Wanyama, Brown, Matthews, Miku didn’t become bad players overnight, nor did Tony Watt, what happened is the essence of our team – the system – was missing.
The effort was there but the focus which makes this Celtic team wasn’t. In many ways this was the perfect setup for a Champions League game against a team too many people are telling me we’ll turn over. Our Christmas Cup Final on Wednesday will require every element that existed against Barcelona last month.
The knives are out for Spartak’s foreign players, who are taking the blame for the clubs disintegration since losing at home to Celtic, both in the press and online fan polls. We may see a more Russian looking Spartak on Wednesday. Which will be no bad thing.
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Came across this pic of Jabba tucking in to some succulent lamb …
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:JabbatheHuttROTJ.jpg
When is the draw today?
Cheers
The more one reads Traynors farewell the more tragic it becomes. 37 years as a sports journo and that is you epitaph? A few memories if junkets and a red faced rant at the Internet?
It’s actually quite sad. However there is now absolutely no reason to employ him at the BBC and I trust he will no longer consume several license fees per week…
1.05 SC Draw
italiabhoy
10:12 on 3 December, 2012
Absolutely spot on ………that’s all he has to say after 37 years ………
Does Jabba forget when he and wee Chick had an on air arguement about who was the biggest rangers cheerleader?
lol!
Book of Condolences:
SECRET FEAR THAT DRIVES ME TO WIN; 10 IN A ROW Rangers chairman David Murray opens up on the highs and lows of his decade in charge of Rangers.
James Traynor.
Daily Record (Glasgow, Scotland) (Nov 19, 1998)
RANGERS owner David Murray doesn’t often allow his true feelings to surface, but currently he is finding it difficult to disguise a pain which has been gnawing away inside since the end of last season. After a period of almost total dominance of Scottish football during which Rangers racked up 17 trophies the club met with failure.
Celtic won the championship and the League Cup and Hearts beat Rangers in the Tennents Scottish Cup final, leaving Murray with nothing to show for a massive investment in time and money. Even now he winces when he thinks of that season, but it is the vivid memory, and the pain of defeat with which he now suffers, that combine to drive him on.
Last night as he looked back on a decade as Rangers’ owner – come this Sunday, the 22nd, it will be 10 years since he paid Lawrence Marlborough £6million for the club – Murray’s desire to avoid the miseries of another barren season could not be disputed. To hear him speak was to listen to a man who believes himself to be charged with some kind of great and mighty mission.
Murray, who chose to talk only to the Record about his dreams and ambitions for Rangers, said: “No one should doubt that Rangers are the biggest club in the country, but I know that talk is cheap in this business and that we will have to prove just how big we are. That doesn’t really bother me because as long as I am able to influence this club we will be the biggest and we will be the best. I have spent 10 years of my life, and I know that sometimes I gave up too much of myself to Rangers, but I am not about to give up now. ”
“Neither am I willing to stand aside and allow another club to overtake Rangers. The failure of last season hurt me a lot and that pain was something I didn’t need nor want. It is also a pain which I never want to suffer again, but by God that sort of thing just makes me even more determined to succeed. I am still as driven, still as enthusiastic and I will welcome the challenge of anyone out there.”
Murray was referring not only to the Kenny Dalglish/Jim Kerr consortium who are stalking Celtic, but also the as yet uncovered groups who are bound to make bids to buy out Fergus McCann.
If the past 10 years have taught Murray, who is one of Britain’s wealthiest individuals, anything it is how to win and he believes Rangers will continue to grow and prosper.
“I look upon these last 10 years as a having been a great era, but it is over and Rangers are about to head on into a new era,” he said over a glass of the finest red.
He was about to take in another mouthful of the most succulent lamb – anyone who knows Murray shouldn’t be surprised to learn he is a full-blooded, unashamed red meat eater – when he put down his knife and fork.
It was like a statement of intent and looking directly across the table to make sure I hadn’t yet succumbed to the wine, he said: “Bring on the next 10 years, there’s more to come for Rangers. Understand that I care passionately about what I’m doing with Rangers and believe that in 10 years time we will still be setting the pace. Too many of us have put too much into this club and we won’t let someone come along and take it all away. What I’m saying here is that no matter who buys Celtic from Fergus, they will need to have the deepest of pockets imaginable.
“The fresh challenge would be good for the Scottish game and lift the profile, but Celtic’s new owners had better be prepared to spend. In the past, Celtic’s people maybe just haven’t fancied trying to take Rangers on financially, but if I have to go in deeper to keep my club up there then I will. I have done it too many times to be frightened now.”
From anyone else such talk could be dismissed as no more than empty rhetoric, but with Murray you just feel it is more than bluster and besides, he does have a track record as a spender. There have been times in his 10 years when he has taken Rangers somewhere between £15m and £20m into debt and he knows that if this season goes belly up like the last one he could be looking at a potential debt of £20m. However, having taken the value of Rangers from pounds 6m to approximately £186m in 10 years he knows how far he can gamble in pursuit of success.
This season alone he has allowed his new manager Dick Advocaat to spend almost £30m, but he refuses to lose any sleep over it. He said: “I don’t because I consider spending as much as pounds 5million on someone like Andrei Kanchelskis as a necessity. If a club like ours doesn’t do that then we fall by the wayside.
“Look, I have many other businesses so I could find many other things to worry about, but I love sport and I want Rangers to be successful. I know this won’t be accepted by some people but this isn’t about making money.
“£56m has been invested in the stadium and in my time £200m has been turned over and after interest our trading profit is minimal. Perhaps as much as £60m has been spent on players and I have even paid in about pounds 1m in hospitality but never taken a salary from the place. I get six complimentary tickets the same as everyone else and if I want extra I have to pay for them the same as everyone else. There are no free lunches for David Murray at Ibrox and I have never taken part or been at the centre of any of the numerous victory celebrations we have had.”
Murray disappears to celebrate success with a small group of close friends, leaving the roar of the crowd to wash over the players and management.
“Supporters don’t want chairmen hanging around, even though they look to people like me to provide some kind of direction and the new ways to keep moving the club on,” he said. I hope I can say that in my 10 years so far I’ve been fairly good at that, but the day I run out of ideas is the day I’ll know it’s over. I’m sure someone will tell me because I have good people around me, I always have. But I’m not ready yet to step back and I see enough fresh challenges, staying ahead at home and winning a place at the European table, ahead in the next 10 years to keep my own adrenaline flowing.”
He knows roughly how much it will cost him and he’s heard the rumours that ENIC, who have invested pounds 40m in Rangers, are uneasy at the club’s spending policies but Murray claims these backers have always been supportive of his methods. He said: “They could kick up a fuss but they don’t. Besides, I am the owner of the club and so far most people seem to like what I’ve done.”
Jabba as pure as the driven slush
Most impressive piece of information from Jab’s swan song, is his ability to understand Portoguese
Sitting amongst Brazilian greats, he was moved by the tales from Pele andco.
An educated multilingual hack was Jab.
When will we see his likes again?
Having read Traynor’s latest article it is clear that he still does no get it.
Rangers did wrong morally to a large extent, legally to the extent of the final tax bill (oh yes there still is one that will not be paid along with other debts because, well because they avoid that kind of thing.)
What he does not get is that the stripping of titles is not the objective, the objective is to make wrong doing have consequences that will persuade the wrong doer not to go that way again. This is especially important when those now responsible for trying to replace Rangers with an entity that the former clubs supporters can support (and earn money from) seem to be be making unawareness of wrong doing a marketing factor.
Who seem intent of carrying on in the same self harming way as before.
It was self harm that killed Rangers not RTC, not bloggers, they only reported the manifestations of the self harm, huge debt, unpaid taxes.
All it would take to change the footballing public mood in Scotland is an admission from the heart from those representing Rangers (Sir David Murray and Walter Smith) that they pursued policies that they were warned would have serious consequences but chose to ignore the warnings and in failing to follow registration rules designed to stop clubs seeking unfair financial advantage they were WRONG.
Why on earth should supporters of other clubs wish to compete against a club where wrongdoing in terms of seeking unfair sporting advantage seems to be their way, where sporting integrity is a stranger in a strange land? What is to stop them doing it again?
But Traynor now wishes those footballing consequences of wrong to be put aside as if no wrong doing took place?
No wonder he is heading off in another direction, his moral compass takes him the wrong way and he sails on oblivious.
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I think this is the First time I have ever been Outraged on CQN..
Jabba did everything But Name Me in that Article..;0)
Shocked..
Summa
One by one they fall. Bye Jabba.
Still one place left to join us on the Leeds-Belfast bike ride in aid of Wee Oscar.
Start Leeds Friday 15th March and arrive in Liverpool Sat evening in time for overnight ferry to Belfast.
127 miles along the Leeds-Liverpool canal so minimal traffic problems and plenty of beautiful countryside if you can see it through your tear soaked eyes.
We are not regular cyclists so if you don’t usually go for this kind of thing but want a personal challenge for a fantastic cause then get in touch.
The party in Belfast on St Patrick’s Day should be a good one.
Get in touch with me via Paul67 if you want to join the “fun”
Well put, Auldheid; you’re a good-natured chap, inclined to the view that Traynor ‘doesn’t get it’.
I suppose the alternative is too unpleasant to contemplate.
Despite there being a wheen of evidence to support the view that he gets it rather too well …
FF
That unintentionally hilarious valediction, actually more of a malediction, by the ole Jabmeister,must be the biggest petted lip toys oot the pram exercise in self indulgence and self pity in journalistic history.
Bathos does not begin to describe it.
Roon ye ya fat muppet and mind the door disnae hit yer erse on the way oot.
Another victory for the bampots.
BTW. I see thems e-petition is being investigated due to multiple postings from single e-mail websites. The sevconians are even boasting about it on RM.
Good to see that another one of their great trrrraditions ie cheating, is being perpetuated.
Stupid cheating huns.
Jabba the Glut will always be seen as Murrays bitch.
That’s why Jabba,you’ve had negativity from fans because you took an active role in supporting the man who ruined not only his own club but also the credibility of the Scottish game.
A ridiculously conflicted idiot eventually shown up due to the public having a means to answer back.
In years to come this dark period spanning 20 odd years will be looked back upon with regret that one club was given free reign over the game and willingly backed by idiots like Traynor,even the fans of the club he championed can see the harm he did to it and we will all thank the rise of the internet for making his ilk obsolete.
Guid riddance ya fool.
Re the FTT verdict. According to Traynor, the result is the only thing that matters, and we should just all ignore everything else.
By that token, OJ didn’t kill his wife, and he is actually a very nice chap.
Folly Folly
I blame two years working with Foreign Office diplomat types. :)
Paul67etal
I was at the game on Saturday and it’s taken me this long to Calm down enough to post.I pay good money to support my team,I only wish they had the skill and ability to respond in return,I don’t know what the crowd was,but it was by far the lowest crowd of the season so far,And Arbroth brought the biggest away support that have shown face at Celtic Park this season it’s a pity they weren’t given another section,they probably would have filled that as well.
We have to get out of this malaise that seems to be hovering around Celtic Park these days,The game against Spartak Moscow is a must win game for me,I want to watch Celtic playing in the best games at all times, The Europa League is a second division tounement as far as I’m concerned,after all they are the teams that haven’t qualified for the Champions League.Saturday’s game wouldn’t give the team much confidence,It certainly never gave me any confidence of a victory.
I have to go to the doctors for a check up or I would have said more about this inability of Celtic playing good against a lesser team,they may continue to play in this way,A habit is very hard to shrug off,just like my illness,I can’t get rid of the habit of being ill.
Rangers Tax-Case TIG @tommyinglasgow
RT -Sack Clyde 2nite,instead join me in my first in a series of interviews http://glasgowradio.blogspot.co.uk/2012/11/how-rebels-won-with-internet-bampots.html … first up is a Mr David Low @Heavidor @ 610pm
Good luck at the doc’s oldtim67.
As his own journalistic epitaph I actually think Jabba’s piece is pretty fitting!
Badly written, self-contradictory, nasty and pitiful. I couldn’t have done a better job to be quite frank.
To start the piece by describing exactly what it shouldn’t be and then fill it with exactly that is stunning its idiocy.
It’s a piece he will forever regret. He has permanently enshrined his own professional memory as a bitter man.
There’s a wee slip in there too:
“They can’t stop foaming at the mouth and we can be sure their determination to have titles stripped will go into overdrive.”
Who is this ‘we’ Jim? The piece is about you and your exit.
Ah, you mean ‘we’ as in ‘are the people’? Oops.
But I think weeminger has it spot on. This isn’t just using his final column as a bitter rant at the last year. It is an insight to the future at the ailing Record and who they will invite to write for them. It will be at those who Jabba has directed this ire and bile.
Whether we like it or not Jabba is a cornerstone of the MSM that Paul67, Celticundergorund and many others since them set out to battle against. While a popular reaction is to diminish his influence or importance it may just be that this is a pivotal moment in taking back the agenda.
Jabba, you’re battle is over. The rebels have won.
After that embarrassing rant, the epitaph of an angry bitter man, I suggest that Jabba henceforward should be called Jabber.
So Jabba plays up to the huns hordes with this wee quote.
Dolts. The result is everything. If any of the Rangers Tax Case bloggers are trained lawyers, would you want them to defend you in a court of law?
Hmmm i wonder why he would say that.
Leggo/Jabba
This internet ain’t big enough for the two of us….
Jabber the Tut.
Green Lantern (((((0)))))
Jabber the Tut Tut :)
From Lawrence Donegan’s Twitter.
@lawrencedonegan: James Traynor uses his last newspaper column ever to rant at football blogger. clueless as well as barely literate. good riddance.
Traynor will be remembered for one thing.
This.
He was about to take in another mouthful of the most succulent lamb – anyone who knows Murray shouldn’t be surprised to learn he is a full-blooded, unashamed red meat eater – when he put down his knife and fork.
It was like a statement of intent.
Traynor will be remembered, if he is remembered at all, for selling his trade down the river, followed by his soul.
Bilious old fool.
Poor Jabba,cannot handle his beloved club going down the tubes.His bitterness is there for all to see.Sad sad person.
Which of These Crazy Space-Time Theories Do You Believe? By Celina Durgin
October 1, 2012
Scientists are always modifying their theories of the universe. Some of them question whether space and time are actually as closely connected as Einstein believed. Others have developed theories that depend on the inseparable connection between space and time. Here are some awesome (and awesomely crazy) speculations about the space-time continuum.
1. Somewhere, in some parallel universe, you are even more awesome than you are here and now
Ever wish you could relive something? If space and time are linked in a continuum, the resulting dimensions could indicate that an infinite number of universes exist simultaneously. In another dimension, there might be a universe where you are an inventor or a secret agent or a Jedi knight.
2. You are not the same person you were when you read the previous paragraph
Some scientists think time is just a useful way to measure change. For example, the person you were when reading the last sentence is not the same person you are when reading this sentence. You’re now completely different! Your memory of reading the first sentence is just your brain sorting thought slivers remaining from an earlier you.
3. We remember the fourth dimension
You definitely perceive time in some way, but not with your three-dimensional senses. Time extends beyond the universe in a fourth dimension. Humans only comprehend fourth-dimensional time as a series of memories, which causes them to think of time as proceeding in a straight line. Despite our perceptions, time really exists as a dimension that objects can cross like they could a field (time travel, anyone?). Humans can only move in one direction forward through time because they live in the third dimension (for now).
4. There is a space-time vortex around the earth
A NASA probe recently returned from a seven-year orbit confirming one of Einstein’s theories: a space-time vortex exists around the Earth. Space and time are knitted together into something like a four-dimensional scarf. Earth pulls on this scarf, causing an indentation, like a person sitting on a trampoline. Gravity thus provides a path for objects to follow the curve of the indentation. Einstein theorized that Earth’s rotation then twists the indentation into a four dimensional tornado. Theoretically, it would swirl around indefinitely, but the space probe confirmed Einstein’s predictions that the “tornado” would shift! Our planet is caught in a vortex hurtling through space.
5. James Traynor was once a respected journalist.
Aye right!! Now you’re really havin’ a laff.
Well I got this bit right.
“Your audience is smarter, more articulate and educated than days of yore. My advice here is if you cannot beat them, join them, or retire. ”
from a part of a yet to be printed article written in October.
So who’ll replace Traynor?
They’ve plenty of ready made replacements.
Mibbe Hugh will get the gig.
Wonderfully comic of this fine Scottish writer to pen his final article in the style of a teenage girl.
Poor fat Jim .. Destined for a life of succulent lamb in the company of Motherwell born Billionaires..( in his fat heid that is!)…
In fairness to him he’s made a lot of dough given his talent. Actually that is unfair as I remember him at the Herald before he sold his soul- he wasn’t without talent.. He just lost it along the way. I actually have some concerns for him…he should be kept under observation for his own safety..he will become a danger to himself. No joke!
Kitalba, are those four dimensional scarves available in Celtic stores yet ?
pigalle:
:-)
For Sale: rotund dinosaur
Two previous owners: a Mr Moonbeam and a Mr R.T. Case
No MOT since 1995.
Wheels fell off after Alan McLaren signed for Celtic (or not – someone else apparently audaciously swooped instead); haven’t been seen since.
Exhaust system needs complete overhaul – too much hot air coming out, leaving a bitter taste.
Steering needs readjusted every other column inch.
£0.25 ONO secures. (buyer collects)