Shakhter Karagandy covered 5k more ground than Celtic last night, 500m per outfield player. That’s 5.5m per minute, per player, or an extra meter every 10 seconds or so. That kind of advantage means that when the ball breaks loose in and around the danger area, the more active team are in space – which happened at both goals.
Conversely, when Celtic were in advanced positions Shakhter players were there in numbers. The difference was not caused by exceptional exertion by Shakhter, in their match with Maribor last night, Viktoria Plzen covered 11k more than Celtic, or a clear 2 meters every 10 seconds per outfield player.
Despite enjoying the vast majority of possession the Celtic players were lacking in movement and ideas. Being short of ideas is one thing but lack of movement is altogether unacceptable. We have to prepare fitness levels ahead of the second leg meticulously; Inverness on Saturday is only relevant for those who need game time ahead of Wednesday.
The Mouhokolo-van Dijk novice partnership was a surprise; a lot of faith was shown in players few of us know much about. Could we have held Kelvin for another few weeks? Would it have been less of a risk to play Ambrose and/or Mulgrew in defence? Yes to both, I suspect.
We learned Georgios is not a striker in 2009. He is one of our most effective players when away from home but not as a striker. Anthony Stokes is a striker but his style is just as unsuited to the formation we played last night as Georgios’. We seemed to pick a team to combat Shakhter’s strengths which didn’t play to our own.
I’m not convinced signing a player one week before an important game is an ideal preparation but taking the money early for Hooper, weeks before Amido Balde (or anyone else) has settled and considered a viable starter, is a calculated risk which is now in sharp focus.
We should also show some respect to Shakhter. The club are miles out of their depth at this stage of European football but they left with all the credit. After the game, manager Kumykov played down his chances, “we are not the favourites”. He’s a clever man who knows what he is doing.
It is possible Celtic will play as badly next week but it’s more likely that we will put on a vastly better performance. Between now and then we have plenty of opportunity to wallow in an embarrassing defeat, so knock yourself out, but I’ll hold fire until the tie is decided, which I expect to be in Celtic’s favour. Bring it on.
You got to love European football.
Penalty kick practice, please……
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delaneys dunky
The bottom line is a zombie.
Discuss.
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Good English is highlighting gambling addiction..John Hartson is a successful member of GA and regularly breaks his anonymity so that others can get help.
Tom English: Black’s betting ignorance no excuse
IF YOU wanted to delve into the world of footballers placing bets on matches then you had better set aside a year of your life in an attempt to document it.
Even then, a year would probably only get you a bit of the way through the alphabet, maybe as far as H for Hartson. Big John never made any secret of his fondness for a bet when he was a professional footballer, nor ever attempted to hide the fact that he was dealing in pretty big sums of money. It’s all there in his autobiography. Chapter and verse.
Hartson was lucky in that, although he gambled outrageous sums, he never seems to have been a problem gambler, never a man who couldn’t control himself when he needed controlling. The game was full of such people, past and present. They have a disease. Kevin Twaddle was in the papers the other day – and published a compelling book – about his epic struggle with his gambling addiction, a struggle that brought him to the point of suicide.
There are stories all over the game of high-profile players losing almost everything. Matthew Etherington, the Stoke midfielder, said he got on the team bus years ago and, by the time he got off it, he had lost £20,000. In his gambling years he estimated that he blew £1.5 million, mostly on horses and dogs but also on football. Dietmar Hamann, the former German international and ex-Liverpool player, lost £200,000 in one night. Dominic Matteo, the Scotland international, said he only came to terms with his own self-destruction when he experienced a moment of clarity about wasting his daughter’s inheritance. Kevin Kyle’s battle was well documented. Andy McLaren’s too. There’s no end of sad tales. It’s a grim business.
Mercifully, Ian Black, we believe, is not of these people. His gambling is said to involve small – if not tiny – sums, so the question of his betting being a curse in his life does not arise, it seems. That’s a relief. Black, of course, is one of many, many players who dabble in betting on football matches. Casual punters doing a coupon or two on the weekend. The fact that it is banned by the SFA clearly has no impact on footballers. So many of them have a wager and so few of them make a secret of it. Some of the lesser-known players even go on Twitter talking about it. They’re the fortunate ones in that they have not been charged, whereas Black has.
His followers can bang on all they like about him being made a scapegoat and the SFA opening up a can of worms and they can slam the SFA for being hypocritical if they like, for players are not allowed gamble but the association is only too glad to accept the sponsorship of a betting firm, William Hill.
There’s been a lot of noise around the Black subject. It was only a fiver. They’re all “at it”. The central charge is that Black not only contravened clearly-stated rules but that he went several steps beyond that by gambling on his own team not to win. That is the most serious charge you can level at a footballer. The allegation is that he backed his team not to win, so did he try to influence the result while on the field? It was only a fiver? The amount of money involved hardly matters. What matters is if it is true or not.
What is key is the charge that, on at least one occasion, Black played in a match in which he backed against his own side. He will face sanction on the other 157 charges if they are held up but he can recover from those even if found guilty. Players have recovered from a lot worse. An awful lot worse. The battleground is the three games and particularly the one – or more – in which he played. Ignorance of the rules is no defence. Nor is the old chestnut of them all being “all at it”. Did Black bet against his own team? That is the only seismic, potentially career-ending, question to be answered here.
Trust is the big issue at Ibrox now
Charles Green might have left the building but in offering the Easdale boys first refusal on the vast majority of his shares, when he’s free to sell in December, the question must be asked about the fine detail of any cosy arrangement between the former chief executive and the
Easdales. He’s gone in body, but will Green’s influence live on regardless?
The latest statement that came whirring out of Ibrox tried to strike a conciliatory note, offering a welcome to Frank Blin from the agitators in the shadows led by Jim McColl, Paul Murray and, of course, the supporters in great numbers. You could paraphrase the statement thus: “Okay, if we let Blin in will you shut up and mind your own business and will you, for heaven’s sake, stop banging on about the state of the accounts?’
Green may have “gone” but the need to carry on and bring real change to Ibrox is as pressing as it ever was. The fans are being told that there was £12.5 million in pre-share offer money lodged to the Rangers bank account along with £12m of season ticket money and £22m of share money and that, of the £46.5m raised in something like 10-11 months, only £10m is left. If that is true then it’s a crisis of waste. If it’s not true it’s a crisis of trust. Either way, Green or no Green, accountability and responsibility needs to visit Ibrox before it’s too late. In that sense, Green’s exit should change nothing.
No Spanish inquisition over Schuster doping comments
when the former German international and current Malaga manager Bernd Schuster spoke about performance-enhancing drugs and why he thinks their use is legitimate when helping a player to recover from injury you might have expected a major reaction from the footballing authorities in Spain. Doping deemed acceptable in certain circumstances by one of the game’s most high-profile figures? Imagine if somebody said the same in Britain. There would be an outcry and, most probably, a demand for the person in question to explain his comments.
In Spain, there has been virtually nothing. Because, in Spain, this kind of thing doesn’t really matter. Doping? Yeah, whatever. Schuster’s attitude to doping should have had the governing body in a flap. If he condones this kind of thing, has he ever allowed it to happen? Does he allow it now? To his knowledge, has any player under his stewardship ever taken performance-enhancing drugs for any reason? Do any of the medics attached to Malagahave any history in doping in professional sport?
Questions, questions, but no answers. Indeed, none of them is likely to be asked.
Back in February, Inaki Badiola, a former president of Real Sociedad told the AS newspaper that in the early years of the millennium, in a regime previous to his own, Real Sociedad employed the infamous doping doctor, Eufemiano Fuentes. Badiola stated that he discovered annual payments to Fuentes of almost €328,000 and that he sacked two of the club’s doctors when he realised what had been going on. The payments were repeated for a number of years and the products that were administered to the player were banned substances. The response of the authorities was to deny and then look the other way
“Thanks be to God, there is no doping,” the president of the Spanish FA, Angel Maria Villar, told El Pais. “Well, very little, so little that the cases given are just an anecdote to an anecdote. In Spain, players take many tests each weekend and nobody is found to be positive. That is the reality. The rest is just talk, talk, talk. . .”
“As long as it’s for recovery purposes, I have no problems with it,” said Schuster. “If a player can reach his full fitness level two to three weeks faster, then it makes sense.” It tells you much about the unquestioning culture in Spanish sport that Schuster could say such a thing seemingly without any fear of an inquisition.
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Dr Whatfor
Aye you are correct my friend. I hear that patter from the illiterate zombies that I have the misfortune to work with. Sad
delaneys dunky
Sad they are, neebur. But if you had to traipse to all those wee towns in Scotland to watch the shampoo they have to wouldn’t you feel sad too?
It’s great to be a Tim!!
Doctor Whatfor, Delaneys Dunky ,
You validate his/her post with your response.
Ignoring would have said so much more.
Night Bhoys.
Dr Whatfor
As ma old Grandad told me, we are blessed and special. They are to be pitied. He died a long time ago, but his words were relevant, and indeed prophetic. Would have loved him to see their suicide.
Fred
You are right. I bit the worm
Goodnight
operator
Agreed there’s nae McGrory’s, McNeill’s or Larsson’s amongst this lot.
I’ve found the skill levels, the lack of heart and pride for the jersey heartbreakingly missing recently………overpaid mercenaries.
Oh well…..at least we give a damn.
See ye later today………next barstool.
Hail Hail
Teuchter
Delaneys Dunky,
Good night. Don’t let them grind you down.
Hail Hail.
Sir Paul! In all my years have I never encountered so many ‘ COWARDS’, on one site!
as the ‘big-shot’, or however you describe yourself, on this forum, I challenge you to
make it a pre-requisite, that in order to subscribe to this, ‘ Forum’, that is supposed to be for
guinuine Celtic supporters – that in future all subscribers, must POST under their real names, rather than hide under ‘ nom-de- plumes’.!
I realise that you will loose some subscribers, especially the one who writes ‘ in- the-vernacular- of an ‘ Ulster-Scott’!.
Invite people to come forward with their ‘ bonifides’, so we all know, just who is infesting this,
site so, we can determine, just who is trying to undermine us, and just who is really a guinuine Celticquicknews supporter!!,
H.H.
ps. I won’t hold my breath!
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Sammi scores again..Vs Bayern..
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=inbf_VAWRM4
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Auldheid 19:19
I don’t know how you equate Ajax yo-yoing between the EL and the CL and put it simply down to the list you linked and what you deduced from it.
You said:
“I think there are good reasons for this and it is to do with the timing of releasing and signing players.
It takes at least three months for a player to settle in and show consistent form and if you lose 3 good playeres each year at the end of the season, EVEN IF YOU SIGN A REPLACEMENT AS SOON AS TRAINING RESTARTS you are still going to lose the fluidity of the previous season and performances become disjointed.”
Without going through every Ajax transfer, in and out, over that period, I think there is every probability they just did not make the CL because they got beaten in the 3rd round qualifier by a better team on the night and between 2006 – 2010, they just might not have been good enough.
I am honestly amazed that you looked at what you linked and deduced what you deduced and then posted what you posted.
I’ve looked to quantify, justify, your conclusions and I am at a total loss at how you achieved it. It looked to me like you were trying to find excuses.
Ajax:
2013 Champions league
2012 Champions league
2011 Champions league
2010 Europa league
2010 EUFA CUP
2009 EUFA CUP
2008 EUFA CUP (KO 3rd CL Qualifier – FC Copenhagen) (3-2 Agg.)
2007 EUFA CUP (KO 3rd CL Qualifier by Slavia Prague) (3-1 Agg.)
2006 Champions league
2005 Champions league
2004 Champions league
2003 Champions league
2002 EUFA CUP (KO 3rd CL Qualifier – Celtic) (3-2 Agg.)
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My name is Joe..
Dr Whatfor
Thank you, GNGB
Summa
Father Joe?
We may all be feeling down just now and there are obviously divisions in the support, but come 7:45 next Wednesday, we will all be together, in the stadium, in the pubs and in our armchairs all over the world, in some cases in the middle of the night and early morning, shoulder to shoulder and cheering on our Bhoys to a momentous battle. Together we will carry our heroes over the finishing line and into the Champions League group stages.
I can’t wait.
We may be down, but we are certainly not out.
Hail Hail
Tom McLaughlin
The bhoys underestimated the Kazhaks. Neil is an intelligent bhoy. Intelligent bhoys learn fae their mistakes. Cannae wait till Wednesday :-)
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AStor..
l know you are talking about Ajax players coming and going..
But..Between 2006 and 2010 Ajax had 7 Managers..
That might be the Form dip..
Summa
Summa:
I don’t follow Dutch football that much but I think it is a more competitive league than the SPL. I just think that statistics can be spun several ways to tell many a story, especially when presented in isolation.
Meant to say too, I can’t remember a season when Ajax sold their three best players in the one season. You’re more up with Dutch football than I ever am, did they?
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Very Interesting article..
Grounds for change over football stadiums
By Bill Wilson
Business reporter, BBC News
The Victorian and Edwardian merchants and entrepreneurs who founded many English football clubs might recognise something of themselves in today’s billionaire overseas owners.
They would also no doubt approve of the stunning stadiums some of their successors have built on the sites where their fledgling playing combinations first established themselves.
But others among those founding fathers might be surprised to find the sites have since been turned into shopping centres or housing estates.
While many clubs – such as Arsenal – have moved voluntarily to new stadiums for modernisation or expansion reasons, others – such as Brighton – have been forced to leave their spiritual homes for pressing economic reasons.
At other clubs, the situation has become more complex over the decades – with a separation of ownership of team and stadium – leaving them vulnerable to those who might look to buy a stadium for its potential development value rather than sporting reasons.
Bad management
Now, to try to safeguard stadiums for future generations, fan organisation Supporters Direct is spearheading a campaign to have club grounds designated as Assets Of Community Value (ACV).
Under recent legislation if a stadium gets an ACV designation, and its owners later decide to sell up, they must first offer fan bodies or other community groups first chance to make an offer for the ground.
Liverpool fan group Spirit of Shankly wants to see the ground get ACV status
“There are often theories about why clubs get taken over. There is of course the intentional asset-stripping theory, whereby a dubious individual has their eye on a club, and wants to get their hands on it for the stadium value,” says Supporters Direct’s Kevin Rye.
Football fans are exercising their community right to keep the beautiful game at their team’s spiritual home by protecting their stadium’s future”
Eric Pickles
Communities Secretary
“There’s also the ‘accidental asset-stripper’ idea. They buy the club, then as so often happens in football, they get into economic difficulty, which is compounded by poor financial management of the club itself.
“Either way, often in these cases the only asset that is left is land, which could be the training ground, and eventually the club ground itself.”
Supporters Direct says there have been at least 54 instances of clubs being separated from the ownership of their stadiums in the last 20 years, and that in most cases this has “not resulted in positive outcomes” for the clubs involved.
The rogue club-owner is fortunately in the minority, but fan groups say that, generally, the ACV path can bring more accountability and transparency to clubs’ decisions over their stadiums.
Even if the community right to bid for the stadium is not activated, or the fan bid is ultimately rejected, they say it means that owners’ actions come under public spotlight.
‘Heart and soul’
Already Manchester United fans have convinced Trafford Council to label the club’s Old Trafford home, where they have played since 1910, as an asset of community value.
It means a community group, probably the Manchester United Supporters’ Trust (Must) – which sought the listing – would have the first right to bid for the stadium if the owners, the Glazer family, ever tried to sell up.
Oxford United supporter proudly displays his club scarf
Oxford United’s Kassam Stadium is one of a handful so far to win ACV listing
“While we appreciate the owners have no current plans to move, or sell Old Trafford, this is a decision that helps to protect fans’ interests in the long term, as no one knows what the future holds,” says Must chief executive Duncan Drasdo.
The club has asked Trafford Council to review its decision and says it is concerned the legislation in the Localism Act 2011, which introduced the concept of ACVs, has not been correctly applied.
Clubs where fans applied for ACV
Liverpool
Blackburn Rovers
Bradford City
Ipswich Town
Dulwich Hamlet
United, which opposed the Must application, also says it has already demonstrated commitment to Old Trafford by investing £90m in upgrading facilities, adding that the stadium is “a special place… the heart and soul of the club”.
Supporters Direct has advised more than 20 of its member fan trusts on the ACV route and there are 15 submissions under way, including league and non-league teams.
They include the Spirit of Shankly fan group at Liverpool FC, which is looking to have ACV status applied to the famous Anfield stadium, citing it as “an opportunity for us to actually have a real say in any future sale, and a protection of not only the stadium but protection of the supporters’ right to be involved in the future of their club.”
Exile years
So far fans at Oxford United, Nuneaton, and Barnet have also won approvals, although – as with Manchester United – the owner of Oxford United’s ground is appealing against the decision to list the Kassam Stadium.
However, one club which is in favour of its own stadium becoming an asset of community value is Charlton Athletic in south-east London.
The exterior of Charlton Athletic’s Valley stadium
Charlton Athletic were forced to play away from The Valley from 1985 until 1992
“Every football club’s stadium can be said to be important to supporters, but I think that is even more so here at Charlton,” says the club’s chief operating officer Steve Bradshaw.
He said the club’s exile from The Valley to Crystal Palace’s Selhurst Park and West Ham’s Upton Park in the late 1980s and early 1990s, and subsequent battle to return home in conjunction with its fans, saw a special relationship built.
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“There are no current plans to move stadium, and of course we would always give fans the opportunity to have their say in the event that such a situation arose, so the club would support proposals that would formalise this right to consultation,” says Mr Bradshaw.
Charlton Athletic Supporters Trust Chairman Barnie Razzell says as well as acting as a “warning bell” should a ground be put up for sale without consultation, perhaps equally as significant ACV nominations allow football clubs and their stadiums to be formally recognised for their huge importance and value to their local communities.
Mr Razzell said he hoped politicians would continue to build on the ACV beginnings, and bring in even stronger measures to help encourage fan trusts and their participation in different forms of club ownership.
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AStor..
Re; Ajax selling the spine..
Not sure but l am sure Ajax were always confident with covering a position when the sold a Star..
Like the Quality street Kids..
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THEY could have scored six.
Now they need three.
Given half a chance Joe Ledley insists Celtic will still make it through to the Champions League group stages.
Shakhter Karagandy made the most of their penalty-box opportunities. While Neil Lennon’s side didn’t.
In a nutshell, Ledley insists that’s why the Hoops find themselves 2-0 down going into next week’s do-or-die second leg.
To be fair, the Welshman also points to the desperate defending from the Hoops backline.
But Ledley remains confident things can be put right by the time the route-one Kazakhstan outfit run out at Parkhead next Wednesday night.
It promises to be an electric night under the lights in Glasgow’s East End.
But as he reflected on the first-leg defeat on the six—and-a-half hour flight back to Scotland yesterday, Ledley insisted: “We should have scored SIX goals easy, that’s why I’m confident we’ll go through.
“To be fair to them, their keeper was on fire but we dominated possession and had more chances — but lost sloppy goals.
“It is definitely frustrating, we dominated them away from home and two sloppy goals killed the game.
“Away from home you need to keep the door shut and it just wasn’t good enough.
“But we believe we can score against them. I’ve been in worse situations than this in my career.
“We are 2-0 down but on another night, I don’t think that would have happened with the amount of chances we had.
“We completely dominated them in possession as well. It was just one of those games where we were really unlucky.
“Now we need to make sure we keep a clean sheet in the second leg at Celtic Park next week.
“We conceded sloppy goals on Tuesday and we need to work on that — which we will.
“We kept the ball pretty well though, and created a lot of chances which we should have taken.”
Some of Shakhter’s stars fell to their knees at the final whistle.
Others pointed to the sky as though they’d been helped from high above. They know they really shouldn’t have had a prayer of beating Celtic.
But they did and they celebrated at the final whistle like they were already through.
None of the Celtic players took exception to that behaviour, insisting the Kazakh outfit were entitled to enjoy their career high.
But the feeling within the Hoops squad is very much that this tie isn’t over by a long shot.
Karagandy have to make the same journey Celtic made only they won’t have the luxury VIP jet whisking them to Glasgow. They’ll do well to get a direct flight at all.
However they get to Scotland, Ledley insists they’ll struggle to handle the red-hot atmosphere that’s guaranteed at Celtic Park next Wednesday night.
As the Welshman points out, world-renowned superstars have buckled there.
Remember Barcelona’s Xavi taking his eye off the ball and letting Tony Watt run through and score?
The Spain superstar is one of the best players on the planet and yet he still lost his concentration.
The Kazakhstan side are in poll position going into next week’s second leg — of course they are.
But Ledley insists they could easily buckle.
He added: “From what we have learned, Shakhter do not travel too well.
“Our fans are going to be behind us and the Shakhter players are not going to be used to a crowd like that and the atmosphere which they generate at our place, especially on big Champions League nights.
“Much more experienced players than theirs have struggled to deal with that.
“Hopefully we can dominate right from the start and attack them from the first whistle.
“We tried to do that in the first-leg and we got off to a good start.
“In the first 10 minutes we could have got two goals.
“Then, in the second half, Emilio Izaguirre has got clean through but shot over the bar.
“And James Forrest came in with a header, but their goalkeeper managed to save it.
“On another day, at least one of those would have gone in and we would have had an away goal.
“We struggled out in Sweden when we played Elfsborg on an artificial pitch.
“But I thought we played much better on the astro pitch in Astana.
“But we are all looking forward to getting back to playing on real grass at our place because we feel much more comfortable on that surface.”
The pressure is still on Celtic to make amends and win through.
The club’s supporters have watched as their best players have been sold off for big money in the summer.
That’s all very well and good if they can manage without them.
But Ledley insists: “There is always pressure in the Champions League, it is a massive tournament and fantastic to be in.
“Hopefully the fans will be behind us. We will need to put on a good show.”
the glorious balance sheet
22:50 on
21 August, 2013
Good post, but Zheng Zhi didn’t leave. He merely became less visible to the untrained eye…;-)
Morning championees
I keep reading that we lost the spine of our team… our three best players.
Can someone advise me how many times in three years we played the spine and how many times we did not .
Also.. kelvin Wilson was one of our three best players … really !!!! How many man o the match awards or poty nominations.
Imho kris commons has been our best player over the three seasons. Big Charlie up there as best defender over same period.
And over that time scott brown has been better than wanyama.
Its all about opinions…
TBJ Praying for Oscar Knox
05:44 on
22 August, 2013
It`s all about opinions….
By and large,I agree with your`s.
Macjay
Not disputing hooper and wanyama ability … both are good but had their faults too. And….. neither saw us as a long term employer.
But kelvin wilson … bombscare from the very start. .. managed a few decent games last season.
Ive asked this before. . Anyone know a 6′ 3″ centre half who does not go up for corners
TBJ
I met Billy Mc Neil when he visited Sydney.Surprised to find he was only slightly taller than me.How many vital goals did ” big ” Billy score for us?
Wanyama ,for me ,had negatives.Occasional,but costly,reckless tackles followed by red cards.
Hooper,however,I thought was a class act and wish him all the best for his future.Norwich,I feel, was a mistake.He,most probably,has Brazil in mind,as do our Aussie Tims,esp.Rogic,who has huge potential.
Whatever Celtic do now,don`t sell Fraser.
Just don`t sell Fraser.
In spite of his newly found detractors.
Good morning from a dry, grey but very mild EK.
Cheeky wee half day this afternoon to hack my way round Lochgreen in Troon. Can’t wait!
newballspleaseCSC
Good morning from Hurghada!
PMJS
Macjay
No doubt big fraser has not had best start to this season. Hope he turns it around.
I watch him warm up with stevie woods pre match and half time. No problem with crosses when unchallenged. And he kicks very accurately warming up.
BT posted a pic with billy earlier this month… as you say : he aint a giant .
Hurghada bhoy
I know a tim over there .. initials are PS .. his mrs is NK
Good morning CQNers,
If anything I think NL could be held accountable for touch of arrogance in pairing Mouyokolo and Virgil together on Tuesday night, if we’d drawn one of the tougher teams, say Legia Warsaw I doubt he’d have taken the gamble. He took a gamble and it didn’t pay off, next Wednesday night I very much doubt there’ll be any gambles taken.
On Tuesday we had 14 shots with only 4 on target, our recent stats don’t make good reading – there is a lot of shooting practice needed between now and Wednesday.
Karagandy – 14 shots 4 on target
Aberdeen – 11 shots 4 on target
Elfsborg home – 14 shots 9 on target
Elfsborg away — 7 shots 2 on target
Jobo Baldie
06:42 on
22 August, 2013
Lochgreen?
You just induced a large dose of nostalgia in this expat.
Give my regards to the bunkers which will surely not have forgotten me.
Tbj
I’ve only been here a month so not met any fellow Tim’s……..here for 5 years so any introductions would be appreciated!
PMJS
TBJ:
If your post at 05:44 was motivated by what I wrote earlier, let me quantify my post, it was a wee bit lazy of me:
Hooper was our best striker.
Wanyama was our best midfielder inasmuch as he was always going to attract a larger fee than any other midfielder on our books.
Wilson was our best centre half.
Agreed with Macjay it is all about opinions, for me Brown has been our most important player over the last three seasons but I don’t rate him as our best player and I doubt the market would disagree with me.
HB
The guy I know has just opened a new place called south beach… think its near the marina…
Hes a good guy and will keep you right.
Very very very common surname ..
I have him on my facebook so can contact him anytime
TBJ
I saw nothing to suggest that the BIG F was responsible for either of the midweek goals.
Big Artur latterly used to leave his line almost as a fetish.God willing the BIG F doesn`t fall into that trap.