“I said to the players at half time that we were shaming the club at the moment and they had to go out and show some pride in the shirt”, the words of Neil Lennon to the BBC after the game on Saturday.
Pride in the shirt is a requirement any manager should ask of his team, and it is notable that the subsequent goal-scorers both have strong connections to the club, but it probably had little to do with the second half performance from Anthony Stokes, Charlie Mulgrew and our the impressive James Forrest. Calls to pride are limited in what they can achieve, genuine talent is far more effective.
At the AGM on Friday and again in his post-match comments on Saturday, Neil alluded to the fragility of his own position. Had the game finished 3-0 to Kilmarnock I think he would have walked away. This would have been a great pity.
Neil is learning on the job. He was not gifted the benefits of experience without actually having to work through difficult times as a manager. Before his thoughts turn to his own position, before our season is too far gone to save, he should recruit an experienced assistant. Someone who knows the challenges of working with a disparate group of players, who can deal with the challenges of a demanding board and supporter base.
The need for a mentor was evident 18 months ago and is screamingly so now. For the sake of Celtic, do the necessary.
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TET
the old fella I often sit with is great for football stories he grew up in the same block as Jock or John ( as he calls him ) and Adam.
THE EXILED TIM says:
17 October, 2011 at 15:25
Im still trying to get over the news Big Jock played for us….too bloody secretive our club.
Here Paul67 could you not have included that in one of your CQN magazines?
TinyTim says:
17 October, 2011 at 15:37
Do we know if DD wants to sell?
LENNON’S PASSION 1526
You sound surprised at the post.
I would also be surprised at that,were it not for the guy’s previous.
Never yet seen anything positive written by him about ANYTHING Celtic-related.
Keeps helluva quiet when things are going well,then when things are going badly or even TOO well,he pops up to start a fight in an empty house.
If Neil needs a mentor then it needs to be someone with long experience in the game; comfortable dealing with media; has business brain that can match any influence from Peter Lawell and if he is known to have a Celtic background all the better.
Step forward ………. Pat Nevin.
:-)
TinyTim @ 15.36
You think it’s the business model that has failed to beat St Johnstone and Kilmarnock? I believe we started with 7 internationalists on Saturday. Perhaps we can only beat these teams if we field 11 internationalists? The players are under-performing, individually and as a team. That means the manager is under-performing too. I blame the board for a lot of things, but even if we don”t have the players for European competition they should easily be good enough to beat SPL fodder.
Neil canamalar Lennon hunskelper extrordinaire says:
17 October, 2011 at 14:59
hen1rik,
doesnt someone professing to be a Celtic supporter who knows nothing about the history of our club and its greatest manager make you the least wee bit suspicious
Is this comment towards me or previous poster?
bobbycfc
Using the word R%&*ers on here without change is a dead give away por cierto.
Bring back- McManus,Robson,Boruc,Skippy,Caldwell,Pearson etc etc.Geez peace.
Update from Darryl:
“Complaints can only be processed with relevant evidence (ie. television footage or media coverage in the case of public comment)
They must be lodged and actioned by the CO by 3pm on the second working day after the game”
Anyone have a link to any footage of the Hooper incident?
QB
TinyTim says:
17 October, 2011 at 15:37
Is this the start of a power struggle,if you take control can i get away tickets will pay of course :))
Che – Im still trying to get over the news Big Jock played for us….too bloody secretive our club.
Also, who are these so-called “Lisbon Lions”?
I thought Celtic played in Glasgow.
Lisbon is in Portugal, down South America way. (thumbsup)
Do you know what is consistently funnier than a philvis quip? (BTW Phil your last one about Jeffries feacal consumption was a belter).
Putting a Ki tweet through Google translate. He has put up a pic of his tray at Costa with 2 coffees and a cake on it. Google translate has his comment as
Daenirang chocolate taste definitely go down amongst men
Ooo er
TinyTim – Desmond’s shares are worth around £20m. He paid £32m for them , and has been entitled to dividends of about £7.5m. He is about £4.5m down at the moment on his investment.
Anyone who bought shares on day one, and then again when Fergus left is down a lot more, on a pro-rata basis, but then John Reid would tell us we don’t matter as much as the owner.
Jock Stein Sports Centre – ML3
I was there yesterday, first time passing through the towns of Blantyre and Hamilton, never been in either before.
The sport centre is nice wee spot.
It could benefit from maybe a display of Jock’s career and history, more than just his name .
Nice people up there as well. Reminds of the Port.
RogueLeader
“Daenirang chocolate taste definitely go down amongst men”
Thats one of my normal posts por cierto.
http://www.eveningtimes.co.uk/sport/rangers-must-be-alert-to-solve-ibrox-security-breaches-1.1129724?
I found this analysis of TFOD home form this season depressing for obvious reason
The weather down in ole D and G has gone a bit T-bone Walker.
TinyTim says:
17 October, 2011 at 15:37
Roughly £12M.
cardiffbhoy says:
17 October, 2011 at 15:46
Is it as much as that? market cap is only £34M at the moment.
hen1rik,
I was asking you if you were not a bit suspicious about the poster you were chatting too.
I didnt think it was that hard to understand.
……and if you know the history.
He’s a hun.
Philvis – JJ has no need to eat at the top table.
http://www.yorkshireeveningpost.co.uk/news/latest-news/central-leeds/can_you_identify_the_doorstep_defecator_exclusive_1_3876162
Por Cierto says:
17 October, 2011 at 15:43
bobbycfc
Using the word R%&*ers on here without change is a dead give away por cierto.
Strange as this may sound, I don’t refer to them as huns cos they are just supporters. I have friends and work colleagues who support Rangers. I have great debates every day with them but it is done in a professional manner. I look at the crowds at Rangers games and know that some of my pals and colleagues are in there and I know them well enough to like them so why should I be derogatory to them?
We have debates about football, religion, youth set ups etc and it is good debating. They wouldn’t call me a Fenian and I wouldn’t call them a hun. Yes, there is banter but that is all it is – banter.
Pat Nevin…..Brilliant suggestion for mentor. Would our sectarian chanting put him off???
A name that I would throw into the ring as possible mentor…Tommy Craig.
Keep the Faith!
Hail Hail!
Neil canamalar Lennon hunskelper extrordinaire says:
17 October, 2011 at 15:52
hen1rik,
I was asking you if you were not a bit suspicious about the poster you were chatting too.
I didnt think it was that hard to understand
I’ll be honest m8 i thought that and then thought i hope he’s not referring to me to be one of them lol…
Apoligise m8..
I’m a bit on the daft side at times lol i have to read yer post again out to the missus and she thought me lol so she’s as daft as me a match made in heaven as they say lol..
Davie Hay as a sounding board for Neil and Steve Walford back to coach the defence might be a couple of additions worth making.
Hi Paul (and all)
Not surprising to see most people latching on to the “mentor” suggestion.
However,there is another phrase used in the article which,in my opinion,goes to the heart of the concerns of many Celtic supporters.
That is ” Neil is learning on the job”.
Like most others,I dearly hope that NL is a successful Celtic manager and recognise that,as a “rookie” he is bound to make mistakes.All of the great managers made them including Jock.
For me,however,one of the factors which differentiates between potentially great mangers or promising managers is their ability to learn from their mistakes. See Jock,Shankly,Ferguson eg
I am concerned that Neil is repeating the same mistake on too many occasions (eg zonal marking,442 with two small wide players away from home,persevering with guys who consistently let him down)
I sense a strong feeling of frustration from many Celtic supporters at what they perceive as stubbornness and a failure to change things which need changing and changing things which don’t.
It may be that a wise old head can help him with this issue.
I sincerely hope so for Celtic’s sake and for a thoroughly decent guy who deserves better after all he has been put through
Lennybhoy…..
…..can I throw that name straight back out.
Of the ring.
weeminger, he has 3 different types of shares
Ach if thats all it is lets have a whip round and buy the shares off DD then
anyone know if DD has a PayPal account?
the use of the term “whip round” does not give the green light for Tommy Sheridan jokes.
bobbycfc
You’ve lost me I’m afraid, when did I mention that you should use the word Hun.
I merely pointed out that you are continually using the word R&*%ers on here unchanged.
Your retort to that is strange in the extreme, or perhaps, maybe not……… por cierto.
Walter Smyth’s available
UEFA outline scenarios for Sion’s possible Europa League re-integration
Celtic’s place in European competition assured by governing body.
17 October 2011 15:45 GMT
275058 Sion president Christian Constantin has insisted his club should be re-instated in the Europa League. Pic: © SNS Group
UEFA have announced several possible scenarios allowing Sion to compete in this year’s Europa League, should the Swiss club win their case at the Court of Arbitration for Sport (CAS).
Sion were ejected from the competition for fielding ineligible players, with Celtic assuming their place. The Swiss club, led by controversial president Christian Constantin, have launched a legal battle to be reinstated and have won several ruling in the Swiss courts but have yet to present their argument to CAS.
Should they win, UEFA have said they will engineer Sion’s re-entry. None of the scenarios announced would involve Celtic losing their place but could require extra games for the Scottish side.
A statement on UEFA’s website explained the options:
“The first option assumes the cancellation of all previous games in Group I of the UEFA Europa League, and for a set of new games to be played within a group of five, following the rules of the former UEFA Cup group stage with teams playing against each other either at home or away. These matches could then be played between 24 November and 22 December.
“The second option allows for the integration of FC Sion into Group I as an additional fifth team, but that the results and points of the games already played in the group remain. Eight additional matches would have to be played, starting at the end of November and finishing in February 2012.
“The other options, mainly valid in the case of a late reintegration, assume that FC Sion could be integrated directly into the round of 32, following a qualifying play-off round still to be defined.”
The governing body stated that matters such as club co-efficient, rankings and income had all been evaluated to ensure minimal impact if necessary. However, it stressed that any plan did not have to be put into place immediately, allowing CAS time to make a decision.
If Sion get back in to the EL does that mean our 3-0 home and away victories against them will be null and void?
:0(
Lennybhoy…Supporting Neil Lennon and CFC until I die says:
17 October, 2011 at 15:57
A name that I would throw into the ring as possible mentor…Tommy Craig.
_______________________________
The last time Tommy was at CP we won nothing – if you don’t count that centenary double. That’s the
second time I’ve had to point out that three managers were sacked while Tommy coached on and on.
Neil canamalar Lennon hunskelper extrordinaire says:
17 October, 2011 at 15:52
hen1rik,
I was asking you if you were not a bit suspicious about the poster you were chatting too.
I didn’t even click on m8 he was how did you come to that anyway if you don’t mind me asking..